Luke Storey: [00:00:02] I'm Luke Storey. For the past 22 years, I've been relentlessly committed to my deepest passion, designing the ultimate lifestyle based on the most powerful principles of spirituality, health, psychology. The Life Stylist podcast is a show dedicated to sharing my discoveries and the experts behind them with you. Alright, Frank. Here we go, man, finally getting it done.

Frank Elaridi: [00:00:29] Ah, yeah.

Luke Storey: [00:00:29] How are you, man?

Frank Elaridi: [00:00:31] I'm so well.

Luke Storey: [00:00:31] You are? 

Frank Elaridi: [00:00:32] I'm so well, yeah. I drove here from Houston, and like you, I moved to Texas a year ago, and I've just been so happy here.

Luke Storey: [00:00:40] And you grew up in LA, right?

Frank Elaridi: [00:00:41] I grew up in LA.

Luke Storey: [00:00:42] Yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [00:00:42] Yeah.

Luke Storey: [00:00:42] And what prompted your move to Texas? This is something I get asked a lot.

Frank Elaridi: [00:00:47] Yeah. Probably similar to you. In a way, I started to feel suffocated by being in that giant city, EMF towers everywhere. And then, there's a pandemic going on, if you haven't heard, and I'm sitting there realizing I'm paying three grand a month for this tiny apartment, and I could be living in a house in Texas. And I'm stuck at home anyway. And so, that kind of did it. And since I've moved here, there's been like 10 other reasons why I'm noticing that I like it better.

Luke Storey: [00:01:22] Why did you choose Houston? Everyone I know that's migrated from California or New York is obviously settled in Austin. It's just like people just automatically do that. When we decided, we had quite a few friends that already had moved here or were from here, so we didn't even think of other cities in Texas. But why did you end up in Houston?

Frank Elaridi: [00:01:42] Yeah, it's funny, because people assume Austin always, so when they're like, "Oh, you're in Texas now? How's Austin?" Like they don't even ask where I am. They just assume Austin.

Luke Storey: [00:01:50] Totally, yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [00:01:51] Right? And I chose Houston, because my parents and my little brother live there.

Luke Storey: [00:01:55] Oh, okay.

Frank Elaridi: [00:01:56] So, even though we grew up in LA, they moved here like 15 years ago, and me and my sister went back to LA, and my brother stayed. And so, it's my mom, dad, and brother. And I do like Houston, but I think that within the next few months, I'll leave. I don't think Austin, I think Dallas.

Luke Storey: [00:02:12] Oh, really?

Frank Elaridi: [00:02:12] Yeah, I really like Dallas. I went there for work for, I was doing a story for Good Morning America, and I was there for two weeks, and I was like, oh, I really like it here, I think I'm going to move, and that was like a month ago. So, I think in March or April, I'll be in Dallas.

Luke Storey: [00:02:25] Cool. Well, congratulations on being an outlier.

Frank Elaridi: [00:02:28] Thank you. It feels good, doesn't it?

Luke Storey: [00:02:29] Doing your doing your own thing.

Frank Elaridi: [00:02:31] And you know what's crazy or what's interesting is that we're learning now, there's like a little crack in the matrix, where we're learning that you can actually do what you do, whatever it is, anywhere. There used to be this idea that you had to live in New York, or in LA, or in whatever business you were in, and now, people are realizing you can actually live anywhere and these rules don't actually exist. These limitations are just in our heads.

Luke Storey: [00:02:56] Yeah. It took me a long time to realize that. I mean, I don't know, when I worked in the fashion industry, I think I probably did have to live in LA, but once I got out of that, it took me a long time to get out of that conditioning to realize like, oh, what I do now with podcasting, and speaking, and things like that, yeah, I could be pretty much anywhere.

Frank Elaridi: [00:03:16] But I would say, even as a stylist, that's not the case anymore. I mean, you could live in Georgia and you live in Atlanta.

Luke Storey: [00:03:22] Why didn't you tell me this 10 years ago?

Frank Elaridi: [00:03:22] I know, right? But you could live in Atlanta and you could still, like some of the best makeup artists in the world are working on sets in Toronto, or in Atlanta, or wherever.

Luke Storey: [00:03:29] That's true. 

Frank Elaridi: [00:03:29] And then, beyond that, there's now YouTube Channels, podcast. Like there's people doing tutorial videos. You could be a stylist on YouTube, you know what I mean? Like you could do anything anywhere now.

Luke Storey: [00:03:40] Yeah, totally.

Frank Elaridi: [00:03:41] Yeah. 

Luke Storey: [00:03:42] Totally. Well, I figured it out eventually. And now, of course, that I'm here, I'm like, oh, duh, I could have done this a long time ago, but it is what it is.

Frank Elaridi: [00:03:49] Yeah, same.

Luke Storey: [00:03:50] Speaking of your family, tell us about your Lebanese heritage. You have such an interesting look, I'm sure you hear this all the time.

Frank Elaridi: [00:03:56] Yeah, people always are like, what are you?

Luke Storey: [00:03:57] Yeah, because you have like dark hair, but you have these really brilliant eyes. And so, when I was studying up on you, because I don't really study up on my friends, we were friends before you were a podcast guest, and I was like, oh, he's a Lebanese, interesting. What was it like growing up as a Lebanese kid? And also, I found something interesting, this, is it the Druze religion? Is that how you say that?

Frank Elaridi: [00:04:14] Yeah, do you know anything about Druze?

Luke Storey: [00:04:17] No, I don't. I've never heard that word until today.

Frank Elaridi: [00:04:19] Oh, really? 

Luke Storey: [00:04:19] Yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [00:04:20] Oh, interesting. Okay.

Luke Storey: [00:04:21] So, break down some of your heritage, and your early influences, and stuff.

Frank Elaridi: [00:04:25] Yeah. So, my parents left Lebanon in '88, the year I was born, and they left because there was a massive civil war and it was religious. So, Christians, Jews, Muslims, but not even just Muslims, the Shia and the Sunnis, so literally, every sect of every religion, the Catholics, the Maronites, the Druze, which you talked about, were all fighting for power. Since then, there's been a system where it's like the president has to be Christian, the prime minister has to be Muslim, the secretary of state is Druze, whatever it is, but they have these like, that was their agreement of how to finally come to peace.

So, the Druze religion is super minority, but we grew up believing in reincarnation, and that was never even a—it wasn't like some weird thing, right? It was like my parents would be like, "Oh, yeah, your cousin so-and-so, he was eaten by a shark in his last life, and that's why he's scared of the ocean in this life". Like it was such a common thing.

But what they would do in the smaller like villages is, if a little kid says, "You're not my mom, my mom's name is Mary, and she lives in this town", they'd say, "Oh, okay", and they would go find that person. And then, they would like connect them, because they would say like, "You shouldn't remember your life from—there's a reason why we forget coming into this one. But if you do, for some reason, you should reconcile that." And then, it kind of goes away once you say, "Oh, okay", like you put two and two together, you meet your old family, and then you can say, "Okay. This is my family now."

Luke Storey: [00:05:50] Wow.

Frank Elaridi: [00:05:50] Yeah. So, that's kind of what I grew up in. We would even like, and you know this stuff from even Somavedic research and other research is the power of water, and how it carries memory and all that. And we used to think it was silly when we were kids, but now, when I hear all these scientists verifying the things my grandma would tell me, I think it's so interesting, because if I ever had a headache when I was a kid, they would get a little glass of water this big, my mom would pray over it. She'd pass it to her sister, she'd pray over it. And the same prayer, they'd say it seven times. Next sister, it was like I have seven aunts, so they'd all pray over it, and then I would drink it. And it's like that, it would go away.

Luke Storey: [00:06:24] Wow. That's so interesting.

Frank Elaridi: [00:06:25] Yeah. So, it's an interesting, fascinating, and I don't even call it a religion. It's not a religion. They're like the only ones that get along with everybody in the area, whether they're Christian, Jew, like they serve in the IDF. So, like only Druze other than Jewish people can serve in the Israeli army, and like some of the biggest commanders are Druze. But that whole area, they're like the ones that just get along with everybody. And it's not really a religion as much as it is a philosophy.

Luke Storey: [00:06:49] Wow.

Frank Elaridi: [00:06:49] It's like a way of life.

Luke Storey: [00:06:50] So, so interesting.

Frank Elaridi: [00:06:51] Yeah. So, I kind of grew up in that world.

Luke Storey: [00:06:53] Yeah. So, the stuff that you're into now that we're going to talk about, it's not that big of a stretch. Have you seen these videos and photography by this woman, Austin, oh, God, oh, Veda Austin?

Frank Elaridi: [00:07:09] No.

Luke Storey: [00:07:09] I got to send you these. I'll text you this.

Frank Elaridi: [00:07:12] What is it?

Luke Storey: [00:07:12] You know Dr. Imoto's work?

Frank Elaridi: [00:07:14] Yeah, 100%.

Luke Storey: [00:07:15] Okay. Yeah. So, it's similar to Dr. Imoto's work, she uses a different method of like freezing water. So, in Imoto's work, for those listening that aren't aware of it, there's a book called The Hidden Messages in Water, and he would take different water sources like tap water, spring water, et cetera, and then he would like say words to them, or play music to them, or even write a word on a beaker of water, and then flash-freeze, take pictures of it, and then you would get these different shapes and stuff. So, her work is kind of like that, but, dude, it's so crazy. She'll take a photo of something like a dog, show it to the water, then freeze and photograph the water, and a freaking dog is in the crystals, dude.

Frank Elaridi: [00:08:04] Oh, come on.

Luke Storey: [00:08:04] Yes, and it's not just like-

Frank Elaridi: [00:08:06] But what do you mean, shot it?

Luke Storey: [00:08:06] Like I take Alyson's Animal Power book here, right? There's a panther on it, and this is the water, I just put it in front of the water, photograph it. And this shape of the panther shows up in the water. It is the craziest. 

Frank Elaridi: [00:08:22] That can send you down so many rabbit holes, right?

Luke Storey: [00:08:23] It's insane, yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [00:08:24] As I thought about that, I was like, what does that mean for the ocean, for the lakes, for the—the woman that—well, I guess we'll get into it later, but the third eye classes that I used to do were with a woman in Germany. I've documented all over the world, but the one that I ended up going to, to teach classes with was this woman in Germany. And she wouldn't come to California when I tried to bring her to do it here instead of me going to Germany every time, because she said she can't work that close to a big body of water.

Luke Storey: [00:08:53] Really?

Frank Elaridi: [00:08:53] Yeah. And I never really understood why. And when she tried to explain it, and her English is not great, when she tried to explain it, I didn't really understand that much. But she said it like, because I always thought of water as like a purifier, like you go in there, and you're purifying, she said, for her, it's just too intense to be that close to that big body of water.

Luke Storey: [00:09:12] Wow. Interesting. Yeah, the water thing is just so fascinating to me, but it's like what your family was doing of praying over that water when you think about food or even our bodies are mostly water, right? So, I bet that has a lot to do with why people historically have prayed over their food, like Alyson does that every meal, and I see her, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I should do that, too.

Frank Elaridi: [00:09:35] Yeah. 

Luke Storey: [00:09:35] I haven't habituated myself to that, but thinking about like when you get vibes from people, it's like the water in their body is responding to energy, basically, and intention. It's really fascinating stuff. So, you go to school for journalism in LA, right? And then, you kind of enter, what I want to call it, The Matrix. I don't think of that as necessarily a negative connotation, but you went into like mainstream journalism. So, tell us a little bit about that journey, and then we'll segue that into all of the stuff that you've been doing for all these years that's so interesting.

Frank Elaridi: [00:10:11] Yeah. So, any time I do anything, even like biohacking or becoming a spiritual whatever, just whatever I do, I end up going all the way, right? So, like the year I decided I loved biohacking, I was speaking at the biohacking conference, I was at the biohacking congress, my YouTube channel, that everything I say I'm going to do, I do it, and then it does well, but I'm putting in so much work, right?

Like the YouTube channel, when I thought I was going to do that as a side thing to the journalism, and then I got tens of millions of views. And same with journalism, when I was like I'm going to be a journalist, I did it, and I wound up, like you said, in like the web, right? And so, I mostly am at, still, Good Morning America, ABC News, I still freelance. So, like I  make my own hours and I take on a couple of assignments a week.

But at that time, I was in probably six to eight states a month and I'd be whatever big story there was in the moment, whether it was the Oscars, or a refugee camp in Syria, a volcano explosion in Hawaii, a backstage at Dancing With the Stars, like literally, whatever it was, I was there. And ten years, and every year, I'd say, this is the last year, like that's it, I'm not doing this anymore, I'm done, and then something would keep me in.

And I'd always realize looking back, like so grateful I stayed, because of all the things that happened while I was there. So, there were stories that changed my life that I would—and I'm like, thank God I was here, and I met this little kid, this refugee at a camp, and what I learned from them, or just life experiences that I don't know what other job would take me there, unless I was maybe like, I don't know, a diplomat or something.

But you really do end up in places, kind of like you, probably, as a stylist, too, where you might end up in a room and you're like, "How am I here right now?" I look around sometimes and I'd see, literally, like the Queen of Jordan over there, and there's Hillary Clinton, and it's like all these random group of people and I'm like, how am I in this room right now? It's like surreal, almost.

Luke Storey: [00:12:15] When you would be doing these stories, would it typically be the show or the network would say, "Hey, we want to cover this thing", and assign you to it, rather than you like, "Hey, I found this cool thing, you guys, let me do a story on it". 

Frank Elaridi: [00:12:29] Both. I mean, I would pitch as well. I stopped pitching about five years ago, and I just, at that point, started the YouTube channel and I started, now, Modern Nirvana. And so, as I started getting to that phase in life, I decided like whatever they assign me, I'll do, and like that's it, fine, you know what I mean? In the beginning, I was a lot more invested, I'd be like, oh, we should do this story and how about that story? And now, because I'm so focused on my stuff, like I really just do whatever I'm assigned. I mean, I hate to sound so like blasé about it, but really, just whenever I want more money, and I'm like, okay, like this is what's funding this, like this is my job to fund my passion, you know what I mean?

Luke Storey: [00:13:12] Yeah. And then, at what point did you start putting your—because your videos on YouTube are nuts. I think when I first met you, I watched some of them, and I was like, oh, I got a lot in common with this dude. Like the immersive journalism-

Frank Elaridi: [00:13:24] Yeah, I love that.

Luke Storey: [00:13:24] ... where you actually go do the thing.

Frank Elaridi: [00:13:27] Do the thing. Like there's no way, if I was doing a story about ayahuasca, I hate saying doing ayahuasca, working with ayahuasca, that I could do that on TV. It would be more like me talking to people who did it.

Luke Storey: [00:13:38] Yeah. ABC News is probably not going to follow you in the Maloca, hold your bucket for you.

Frank Elaridi: [00:13:44] Right.

Luke Storey: [00:13:45] At what point did you start to—like what were some of the things that you covered that started to get traction, because you have like zillions of views on your YouTube channel, and that starts becoming its own entity? Like what were some of the things that you did that started to really get a lot of traction with that?

Frank Elaridi: [00:14:00] It was funny because I was doing, like Hay House was kind of like the big thing for me at the time. So, I would like go meet Wayne Dyer and do interviews with like Hay House authors, right? And that's all I was doing. I was like interviewing like the Marianne Williamsons of the world. After I did about five or six of them, I found this place in LA, it was like a temple, and they invited me, and they said, "Hey", they sent me a cell phone video, really, like crappy quality cell phone video of this little girl blindfolded who could allegedly see everything, right?

And so, she's reading this like card, and she was in Capitol Hill, and senators, and people walking by, she would just stop them, and like they were trying to get attention, right? And they sent me this video and they're like, "Do you want to come and witness this for yourself?" And I was like, yeah, sure, okay. And so, I went, and I shot it, and it got 10 million views. And that just like skyrocketed the channel. And I remember I had like a million views, I think, and Spirit Science picked it up and did an article about it, and it shot up to like three million in two days. And then, from there, just [making sounds] and it became 10 or 11, I think.

And when I did that, then ABC sent me to go cover a wildfire in Canada. And I was doing that, and I checked my phone, and I have an email from the girl that wrote the Spirit Science article, and she says, "There's this other woman in England who's doing the same thing, although she is not a guru", because the first was like this Indian guru. "This one is like this blonde British woman who's also teaching little kids how to do this. You should go cover it." And right then and there, I'm covering this wildfire in Canada, and I book a ticket to England, to Essex. And I think like 10 days later, I was in Essex telling her story.

And then, from there, because she was like, "Well, I only can teach kids, you can't be over the age of 12, because by then, your logical mind has kicked in, and you, yourself, will like block yourself from doing it", which I've seen. I've blocked myself from doing it from thinking it's not real, or cheating, or whatever, immediately goes away. And I'll explain more of what this is, too.

But then, from there, there's this place in Utah, and they say, "Well, we're teaching people how to see while they're blindfolded as well, using their pineal gland, only we're teaching young people, adults, and blind people." I was like, whoa, oh, my God. So, like I went and did that. Then, there was Germany, like the way I found the Germany one was even crazier. I don't know how much time we have, right?

Luke Storey: [00:16:25] Well, we have time.

Frank Elaridi: [00:16:26] We have time. Okay.

Luke Storey: [00:16:27] I watched one of the German videos.

Frank Elaridi: [00:16:28] The German one is my favorite. They did the least as far as like popularity and views, but they are my favorite, because I talked to two people who are, one is very young, 18, and one's older. He was like in his 50s or 60s, also blind. Both are 100% blind. And then, that was also the ones where I went and learned how to do it. But what was cool about Germany is there was this—he actually died last year, and he was an engineer, very science minded, logical, not a spiritual person, but he had this like, I don't know why he was so undercover about it, I think because I do everything so loud, I can't imagine people who want to do something like hidden.

But he was an engineer and he didn't want like his engineer friends or family to know that he was interested in spirituality. So, he would remake videos, translate them to German, but he would hide. So, it was like his voice and it wasn't his name, you know what I mean? Like nobody knew who it was. And he was like, "Hey, do you mind if I translate one of your videos to German? I need your permission." And I was like, yeah, sure. So, he translates the British one. The little girl that he hired or asked to do the voice of the little girl in my video, when she watched the final product, said, "I want to learn how to do this".

And so, her dad, being this awesome dad, went and found her a teacher in Germany to teach her how to see blindfolded. And within a week, she was seeing, and she was just the girl that was like hired to translate one of my videos, you know what I mean? So, the engineer tells me this story, he's like the software engineer, he tells me the story, and he's like, "And the German teacher would love for you to come, and do a video, and meet her, and all that". So, I flew over there and did that, too.

Luke Storey: [00:18:09] Alright. So, break down what you're describing here, because it's just—I mean, I'm into some out there stuff, you know what I mean?

Frank Elaridi: [00:18:15] Yeah.

Luke Storey: [00:18:16] I'm like, I'm watching one of your videos today, and there are people blindfolded, like legit, no leaks, no cheating, driving freaking go carts. I was just like, what is happening here? I love things that defy logic and that break the norm of like what we'd call science.

Frank Elaridi: [00:18:34] Yeah. And I wonder if this is one of those things like the water thing that we were talking about earlier, where eventually science will say, "Oh, yeah, this is what's happening". And like Deepak Chopra has that science mind as well. He's actually an MD. He was like an emergency room doctor, and then studied quantum physics. And when I told him about this, he was like, "Oh, yeah, I used to do that all the time". 

Luke Storey: [00:18:56] Really?

Frank Elaridi: [00:18:56] Yeah. He said he would actually check on his house in India remotely, from remote viewing. And so, what I think is happening, because I don't know for sure, is that the pineal gland is being activated and there are different methods of doing it. So, the one that I learned was all meditation and practice, meditation and practice, and we literally were like little kids, like we'd hold things up, fully blindfolded.

And by the way, our eyes are taped as well. When we're practicing, it's not, but when we're like demonstrating it to prove to people and show it on camera, we're taping people's eyes shut, and then putting a blindfold on top of that. So, we like hold things up and say, what color am I holding? The interesting thing is, if I, let's say, held this up, and you're blindfolded, and I say, and by that, I'm holding a red magnet, and you said yellow, I would never say no, ever, like that shuts it down immediately.

It's always positive. So, I'd be like, okay, what else do you see, until you said red, you know what I mean? And it's always, what else do you see or try again. Like it's always positive. And they would say, "Celebrate when you get it wrong—"I mean, "Celebrate when you get it right, and then celebrate even more if you get it wrong", like they wanted you to just keep celebrating, keep smiling, stay happy.

And I think that's why the one in England was saying that kids under 12 pick it up the fastest because they have that childlike mind. It's a game. It's fun. We're not getting logical about it. And so, it is activating the pineal gland in many ways. The one in Utah, they're activating the pineal gland by sending electricity to it. They use a method called Merpati Puthi, and it's from the Indonesian Royal Family, and they teach this method, basically, to their version of the Navy SEALs.

And so, these guys who are like these, they have this karate background, and they were studying in Indonesia, they learned this method, Merpati Puthi, and brought it to the United States. And so, this guy, the one that taught me it, he actually can't do it himself, but he can teach it, and he teaches it, and he has great success, but what he can do, I literally put like this metal, what are they called? Like a wheel pump, a well pump. It's like this metal rod. And I hit it against a wall, I tested it, and it's totally sturdy, and I put it on a rack, and he broke it with his finger with one finger, broken in half.

And he said he's done up to, I think, like 10 or something at once. And I can remember if it was his pinkie or if it's his index finger, but all it is he says he's channeled his chi, his electric energy, to one place, and uses that force to break the thing. And so, he says when we're doing the third eye thing, that they're doing the same thing, they're just sending the electricity up to the pineal gland and activating it. I haven't done that method yet, but that was really fascinating, too. I'd like to learn it if I have time.

Luke Storey: [00:21:33] Wow.

Frank Elaridi: [00:21:34] Yeah.

Luke Storey: [00:21:35] It just shows that what we think is possible is so limited. I mean, it makes sense if you think about that you are actually just an aspect of consciousness and that we're just trained into thinking that the way consciousness accesses the material world is through our senses, right? But you actually, from one perspective, don't need your senses-

Frank Elaridi: [00:21:59] Yeah, it's a consciousness.

Luke Storey: [00:21:59] ... to access reality. And we'll talk about plant medicines and stuff, but anyone that's had deep experiences in that realm knows like, oh, there's so much more going on here than what we perceive. So, yeah, that thing is really super interesting. With this third eye view, and this blindfolded ability to view, and this one guy couldn't do it, what are some of the other factors that determine whether or not someone can learn how to actually see that way?

Frank Elaridi: [00:22:30] I don't know why some people don't pick it up. I really don't know why. There was one guy which was really interesting. He was from Ethiopia, but living in England, and he came to one of my workshops. After I learned it and demonstrated it, I was getting flooded with messages from people saying, "Can you organize a retreat or something where we all come and learn?" So, I did, my last one, he came to.

And he owns like a health food store in England, and he was so funny, because I would hold it up like right in front of his face while he's blindfolded and he could not see it. When I held it here, like by his right ear, he'd see everything. And it's so funny, because like it was kind of behind his head, so even if there was a hole, even like right now, I'm not blindfolded, and I can't see where I'm holding it. That was his spot. Like that was his field of vision, you know what I mean?

Luke Storey: [00:23:15] Wow.

Frank Elaridi: [00:23:16] And the teacher kept trying to get him to move it. She'd be like, "Move the light, move the light". But I think that age is a big thing. Logical mind is the big thing stopping people. For me, there was a part, I don't know if—you said you saw the Germany one. I'm reading a license plate on a car so perfectly, and then I kind of, in that moment, got mad at myself in my head, because I was like, I can't believe I've been making these videos, I must look so stupid. Like to actually make people think this is real, this is insane, like there's no way this is real, right?

I can't believe I've been fooled. And like I started going through that mindset and that pattern in my head as I'm reading the license plate, and when I do that, she puts up another word, and it was like super or something like that in front of the license plate, because she's like, "Well, if you can see that, you can see this, too", and she puts up a piece of paper, and it went completely black, and I couldn't see anything, like pitch black. And so, I think it was like the logical mind interrupting that expansiveness that I was feeling, thinking like, there's no way this is real.

Luke Storey: [00:24:17] Do you think that that practice has any other benefits other than the obvious of, say, someone who is visually impaired?

Frank Elaridi: [00:24:24] Yeah, huge. In fact, I'll say that in my life and in others that I've talked to, the seeing is the cool, like I have a YouTube channel, and I need to show something, it's not like your podcast right now, where we can talk and have a conversation, like it's all visual. So, that was like the visual component that I could show. But what was actually happening is extremely heightened intuition. Extremely heightened intuition.

Like you know how we all have that phenomenon of like thinking of somebody, and then they call, or like you're singing a song, you turn on the radio, and it's that song. It's that times 10. Like it's expansive. And then, the manifesting, people will always tell me, this little girl that I interviewed, the Indian one, she said, "I'll just think of a toy, and then I have it". And so, like it was so much more than just seeing blindfolded, but that was like the cool thing that everybody wanted to see.

But it also can be a little scary. I don't really teach it online or virtually, I think that it really is something that you have to be immersed in, and do a week training to really get it, but there was one guy that just kept asking. And he was really cool, and he was helping me with my website, and like we actually built a friendship. And so, I walk him through a couple of meditations, I can do one now if you want. It's so simple.

But we did this one meditation. I told him to keep doing it over and over, and stay positive, and try to do it outside in the sunlight when you're practicing, because that helps for some reason. And he got it to such a degree that he was like, "It scared me, I threw the blindfold away, and I stopped doing it", because he was in his room and he got to the point, where he said, he was meditating, and his eyes were closed, but he would see a spotlight, kind of like when you—like the bat signal kind of thing. He would see a spotlight.

He can move it wherever he wants, and that area would just be lit, and he was in a dark room. So, he was in his room doing this in the dark, but like could still see as though it was light wherever he would shine the light, with his eyes fully closed. But he said that his dreams became so wild like that night and the next couple of nights, that he just was like, "I can't do this anymore". And I was like, trust me, I understand, It's been two years and I haven't even put a blindfold on. So, like I think I could probably still do it, but I honestly don't know if I can.

Luke Storey: [00:26:39] Yeah. Sometimes, with things like that, it's like you realize that we have these limitations for a reason.

Frank Elaridi: [00:26:47] 100%, yes.

Luke Storey: [00:26:49] I mean, that's why you don't walk around day-to-day on ayahuasca or something, right?

Frank Elaridi: [00:26:52] 100%, yeah.

Luke Storey: [00:26:53] It's like there are these interdimensional experiences in other planes of reality, other abilities that we have.

Frank Elaridi: [00:27:00] Like you don't want to lose your mind.

Luke Storey: [00:27:03] Yeah. I mean, going back to reincarnation, I've thought about this a lot, it's like, well, why would creation give us this amnesia, right? Every time you come back, like you're made to forget, and perhaps on one level, you agree to forget, right? Like I'm going to go back into the human realm, and I know that I'm going to forget who I am, and then this whole lifetime is going to be about remembering that, right?

Frank Elaridi: [00:27:24] Yeah.

Luke Storey: [00:27:25] But if you think about like how hard it is to just hold the life experiences you have in one lifetime, going back to traumas and all kinds of different memories that our brain has to consolidate and our conscious mind has to like make sense of, imagine like if we had the conscious awareness of all of those lifetimes or all of these other kind of sixth sense, it might be difficult to function in that way.

Frank Elaridi: [00:27:50] Yeah, I've never been one to want to do like past life regression or anything like that. Like I don't know. I think it can be helpful. And I know, like my best friend Kat did it, and it was awesome, the—I don't know if it was awesome. It was traumatic, highly traumatic, the way she died in that life. But like I can see why it might be if you have like some kind of phobia, right? Like in many lives, many masters, or something that you're dealing with, and you go back and learn, but I honestly have no interest in that.

I've always been somebody to try to—like even why I didn't want to do emotional healing for so long and help people with that is because I've always tried to not even like dim my light, but like not lean too much into it. I'm just like, you know what, Frank, have your human experience, like just be here, why do you have to be so esoteric and metaphysical? You know what I mean? Because it can be a lot, sometimes. Sometimes, I just want to watch cartoons. Like that's all I want to do.

Luke Storey: [00:28:39] Yeah. That's funny. I was listening to one of your other podcasts and you were talking about watching cartoons like, sometimes, you just want to be uber normal and I-

Frank Elaridi: [00:28:45] It's my way of being normal, yeah.

Luke Storey: [00:28:47] I kind of do that with, I'll watch like super toxic Netflix shows.

Frank Elaridi: [00:28:52] Oh, really?

Luke Storey: [00:28:52] Like Ozark was the last one.

Frank Elaridi: [00:28:54] Okay. Yeah.

Luke Storey: [00:28:55] And I can literally feel it like giving me toxicity and I know that I'm going to get a hangover from just interacting with something so low consciousness, but there's just a part of me that's like, I just need this right now, to be just, I don't know, down to earth.

Frank Elaridi: [00:29:09] Sometimes, yeah, when you're like up here all the time, sometimes, you're just like, I just want this.

Luke Storey: [00:29:15] Yeah. Even like just eating some crappy food, sometimes, I do that just to kind of like get rid of any perfectionism or kind of control. If I find I'm being too constricted, I'll just eat some crappy food and some donuts or something like the worst of the worst, and—I mean, there are worse things than donuts, but in my world, that's-

Frank Elaridi: [00:29:33] That's pretty up there.

Luke Storey: [00:29:33] ... as bad as it gets. Hydrogenated oil, and gluten, and glyphosate, and God knows what. But I'll do it, and just catch myself, like observing the guilt that I feel, like, dude, you know better, and it's like, no, really, I just need to have the gluttonous experience of doing a donut.

Frank Elaridi: [00:29:49] I think that's pretty enlightened, honestly. It's like there's this one, I don't even know his name, some like Arab something, Sufi guy, and I wrote about him a while back, but he was this guide, like an advisor to royals, to kings. I mean, he was like up there, he could wear the nicest robes, but he chose to dress like a peasant, right? But he said even dressing like a peasant is becoming too attached to an ideal, to an ideal of like I dress like a peasant. So, sometimes, he would wear like the most extravagant clothes, because he was like, even dressing like a peasant is wanting to be too much of one ideal, like attaching yourself to this theory of being holistic. And so, he would do that, sometimes, and I feel like that's kind of what you're doing.

Luke Storey: [00:30:38] Yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [00:30:38] You're like, "I eat this way most of the time, because I know it's best for me, but sometimes, I'm going to get the donut, or the fast food, or whatever else".

Luke Storey: [00:30:46] Yeah, that's an interesting story. It's like I've observed over the years how I've gone through, like you have, so many different kind of spiritual phases, and hanging out amongst different groups, and things like that, and noticing how someone has the realization that I'm not my body, I'm not my thoughts, I'm not male, female, whatever gender, race, and you discard that to be closer in touch with who and what you really are, like an embodied spirit, right?

But then, one can be tempted to like take on a spiritual name, and start wearing the robes and the beads, and then another like kind of more pious or maybe a more spiritual-looking persona that's also not you gets glommed on, on top of that, and there's a trap in there, too. There are so many like attachment traps, where, now, my name is Ananda Luke or whatever, right? And then, now, I'm like stuck in another role that I've replaced the former role of like Luke, the fashion dude from Hollywood, or the bass player, or whatever, right?

Frank Elaridi: [00:31:50] And sometimes, I feel like it is that. It's like somebody wanting so badly to disconnect from that life that they had before, right? So, I've had friends who do this, and that's why I think of them, who they were like maybe a model or something that's very much image based, and then they do embark on this deep spiritual journey, and they reach like incredible heights, but then they change their name to some kind of spiritual name. It's like almost so badly wanting to separate from that. But my idea or my belief is that that is what brought you to this, like embrace all of it, you know what I mean? I don't think you need to change your name, like who you were, Jack so and so is a beautiful experience.

Luke Storey: [00:32:29] Yeah. I mean, I guess on the kind of like false identity side, there's that, but then on a more positive sense, there's also, perhaps, a sense of commitment to your path, right? Like when you think a Tibetan monk or something, it's like they might have grown up in some suburban area, and just been a householder, a normal person, an accountant, and then they find their path, and shaving the head, and wearing the robes, and taking on a different name is not necessarily like building another false identity, but just a way to be fully reverent of their path and a sign of their commitment. It's interesting. I think about this stuff often. 

Frank Elaridi: [00:33:06] And maybe non-attachment, non-attachment to a name or a personality.

Luke Storey: [00:33:10] Yeah. So, it probably goes both ways, but I think, for a spiritual aspirant, it's something to be aware of, how we can kind of glom onto these different identities and end up getting lost in any of them, whether your identity is being someone famous, or noteworthy, and/or wealthy person, or whatever attachment, and then you want to ditch that, and you take on another one. Because I've had a lot of different kind of, I would say, like personas and images in my life, and even sometimes now, like I was in an event last night, and =there was a guy sitting in front of me, had a really cool look, like super spiritual-looking dude, like shamanic kind of vibe, and I was like, oh, that's cool, I should dress like that, and I was like, no, dude, you're just you.

I don't even know what my thing is, but it's whatever feels most true for where I am, I think, that day, and being mindful to not get attached to what that is either, because it could change. Next week, you might see me shave my head, and put on an orange robe, and I'm doing that thing, hopefully, with some awareness, that there's an intention behind it, other than just kind of changing one false outfit for another one.

Frank Elaridi: [00:34:17] I think unless we live in a cave, which is why it was probably so easy to be enlightened—not easy to be enlightened, but easier when there was like nothing going on, and you could just go find a cave and sit in it thousands of years ago, because now, we have so many choices.

Luke Storey: [00:34:32] Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. Like you go on a spiritual retreat, and it's like you get so grounded, and centered, and you're so in touch, and it seems like, oh, I need to live like this. Every time I-

Frank Elaridi: [00:34:44] Me, too. I'm like, this is my new life, this is what I'm doing, yeah.

Luke Storey: [00:34:47] Anyone that's ever spent some time at a good ashram would be like, oh, I'm just going to give up everything and just be like this, but then it's like you want to take what you're learning, and integrate it, and go back into your life, which is, of course, the challenging part.

Frank Elaridi: [00:34:59] Yeah. That was Modern Nirvana. Like that's kind of what it came from. So, the company that I started with Kat and Bryant, Modern Nirvana, was about like taking what you learn and bring it into the world. Like there was like nirvana, and then there's this modern nirvana, where you are in Nirvana, but here. Like living in the dream, being a part of it in a nirvana state of mind.

Luke Storey: [00:35:20] Oh, that's cool. I didn't know that.

Frank Elaridi: [00:35:21] Yeah.

Luke Storey: [00:35:22] I want to get into Modern Nirvana in a little bit, too. People have probably heard me talk about it, because Alyson and I came and spoke at your event here in Austin, which was awesome.

Frank Elaridi: [00:35:30] We're going to try to weasel you guys in again.

Luke Storey: [00:35:33] Yeah, I'd love to, and I hope you do it here again, because it's like right down the street. But I know you're a student of A Course in Miracles. And I feel like after almost seven years in this podcast, I've done my best to find kind of the foremost expert on each thing that's been big and influential in our culture, and I guess Marianne Williamson might be one of the the most well-known students and teachers of that.

There have been various times where I've tried to get into A Course in Miracles, and so many of the teachers like David Hawkins and different people like that that I've followed and learned from have borrowed from it, but in terms of like sitting down with the Course in Miracles workbook and doing it for a year, whatever it is, I'm like, a few times, made it to day eight, and then I've kind of fallen off. And I've tried to listen to the audio, and it's like, I totally relate to all of the teaching, makes perfect sense to me, but it's one that's been more challenging for me to apply, I guess you could say. How did you discover A Course in Miracles and how have you applied it in your life, for people that aren't familiar with just the basics of that teaching?

Frank Elaridi: [00:36:40] With the basics, yeah. The thing is with A Course in Miracles, and it might be kind of like 12 steps for you, I think, because for me, A Course in Miracles was really transformative. And I read it about 12 years ago and I think that that was a time that was—well, read it for the first time. That was the time that I feel like I went from a crazy person, like insane, which I don't mean insane like Looney Tunes.

I mean, insane as in like everybody else in the world right now. Like just people are insane, and they don't realize they are, and then you go from insane thinking to not insane, right? And what that means is like, for example, insane thinking is in order for me to win, this person needs to lose, or if that person is making money, it means I'm not making money, or separation, right?

All of these things, like even separation, which I know I'm talking to somebody who's done a lot of work spiritually, and you understand the idea of like you and I come from one source, and there's no separation, but we think we're separated, but it teaches that lesson in like 40 ways. And what's cool about the workbook is you get to, let's say, Lesson 8, and then when you get to Lesson 15, you're like, "Oh, that's why they taught me Lesson 8 so that I could now understand 15", you know what I mean? Like it was done in such an order, like the first one is like I don't know what anything means, and you literally-

Luke Storey: [00:38:04] I remember that.

Frank Elaridi: [00:38:04] Right? It's like first lesson, I don't know what anything means, and you literally have to just look around the room and say, "I don't know what that camera means or I don't know what it's for. I don't know what Luke is for. I don't know what this sock is for. I don't know what the carpet is for." Literally, you just start, I don't know what anything is for, and what it means, why it's here.

And I think once you get to that place, and then further and further down the line of like surrendering and shedding, you're now creating space for truth to enter. Like the Course of Miracles says, "Truth cannot enter if there is any place in your heart that mars its welcome". So, the truth is available, it's there, it's whenever you need it, but it will not come if you don't want it.

As long as you walk around like, "I already know, I know, I know", great, you already know, then you know, so I don't need to come to you then, because you already know. But as soon as you admit like I don't know anything, and I still try to have that always, I don't know anything, I don't know. Maybe, I think it's this, I think it's the pineal gland that's, I don't know. It's like I always try to have that mentality, and one way that I applied it is I notice with people.

So, like I was at a pharmacy, I think, like a few months ago, and my friend, Bryant, was with me, and there's this medication that I've gotten a hundred times. And I went to go get it, and they were like, "Yeah, it's $600". And I was like, no, it's like, I get it for like 30 bucks every time. And the guy, by the way, first like 20 minutes, literally, not looked up. He couldn't tell me what I look like.

He never once looked at me. He was like staring at the computer and just like having a conversation with me, never made eye contact. And I was like talking to Bryant and I was like, watch. And so, I started staying in my head, it's a line from A Course in Miracles, "It is not this I would look upon. I trust my brother who was one with me", and I just kept saying it. And then, I would also say another line, "Give me your blessing, Holy Son of God. Give me your blessing, Holy Son of God", and I would just keep saying it.

So, I'm not saying it to him, but I'm thinking it, I'm projecting it onto him, right? Give me your blessing. So, now, in my head, I've transformed this attacker into my savior. Literally, he's my savior now. I'm like, give me your blessing. And by the end of it, he not only got it for me the medication cheaper than I normally got it, but he spent like two hours working on it, and called me to come back to the pharmacy when it was ready, and I was like, thank you so much for all that effort and like everything you did, and he said, "Oh, yeah", he's like, "I never do that for anybody. I never would spend two hours on one prescription trying to do that for somebody, but I just felt like I should."

I was like, oh, thank you so much, and he became a savior in a way. And so, even though I haven't studied A Course in Miracles in like 10 years, though, I always go back to the lessons, I go back to the lessons. If I'm thinking too much, it says, if you say this, your ego will continue to talk, but you won't hear it, which is, "God himself is incomplete without me. God himself is incomplete without me." And they say, "Just say that to yourself whenever you're thinking too much".

And so, I always go back to A Course in Miracles, and you mentioned plant medicine earlier and ayahuasca, even in those moments, there's like—you know how you get those downloads and just like it's a sudden knowing. You didn't hear a voice, you didn't see anything, but you just got to download. I'll get those, sometimes, on plant medicine, or in ceremony, or meditation, and then I go back to like, I'm like, oh yeah, A Course in Miracles talks about that, A Course in Miracles teaches that. Like there was always some kind of foundational thing in A Course in Miracles, I always kept going back to it. There's just so much. And yeah, I could go on and on.

Luke Storey: [00:41:36] Yeah, I relate to that. It's like, as you mentioned, the 12 steps, like those teachings, the teachings are very similar. I think A Course in Miracles is just kind of bigger and more dense, if you want to, there's 365 lessons instead of 12, basically. But yeah, it's funny, the other day, someone reached out to me, and they're already sober, but they just did it in a different way, and they're like, "I'm really curious about these 12 steps", because that teaching just transformed my life so much. And it was so funny, because I was like, okay, so the first one is this, and I tried to recite it, and it had eluded me, the actual words.

And then, it came to me a moment later, but I was like, wow, I can't believe that. I mean, I've literally read that and digested those couple of sentences thousands of times over these past many years. And then, I realized it was like, it's not about the words, it's about that it just became part of the fabric of who I am, my integrity, right? It's like I'm powerless over something, right? I'm honest with myself, it's like it's not even the words, it's like the message behind the words, it's what they convey.

I think when you study something, and then you actually apply it, it's almost like the teaching isn't necessary anymore, right? And then, it comes to you in strange ways at strange times, as you described, in medicine, you're like, "Oh, this is that spiritual principle and it's arriving organically on its own accord", and you realize, "Oh, I have a lock that that key fits already".

With your plant medicine stuff, and I was listening to one of your podcast recently, and you're like, "Yeah, I think I'm done. I think I've learned everything that I've learned", give me a little bit of a history of how you started exploring that as, I mean, you're into some out there stuff, but you're also a guy that works for the mainstream media and is kind of part of society more so than some people that would be drawn to that. What kind of led your curiosity in that direction?

Frank Elaridi: [00:43:29] Well, what's funny also about like mainstream media is that they, within the newsroom, would always like, it was like a known thing. I never would be like, hey, guys, I need a week off, I'm going to Costa Rica, I would be like, I'm going to go work with ayahuasca in Costa Rica, and they'd be like, "What? Like tell us more." So, I was always very open about it. And even like the bureau chief who basically oversees, his job is to assign all the reporters, all the producers, all the camera people, he like tells everybody where to go and what to do, he's like the boss, and he would always be like, "Frank, you're a walking Segment 13", or whatever it was.

That was our like kind of trendy hippie segment, like whatever is like the new thing right now, like chaga, or whatever, cupping is like the thing. Like that was our like Segment 13. And he's like, "You're a walking Segment 13", because I always was trying new things. Like even I remember getting like 30 million stem cell injections, and at that time, this was like six, seven years ago, no one was doing it the way they're doing it now, where there's like actual IV lounges and stuff.

And it still is kind of a boutique thing, but I would always do this stuff. And so, with ayahuasca, it started as like I connected with my inner child and I remember just like deeply connecting with my inner child. I mean, he came up to me, and we had a full-on conversation, and I was bawling my eyes out, because I forgot even that I had an inner child, that I was a kid at one point, that I still have that inside of me, that, in a sense, in that little kid, who wants to be loved, who wants to be hugged, who wants to be told, "Everything's okay".

Like most adults forgot about that kid. And so, that was like my first experience. Second, third, fourth, fifth, whatever, I've done like 18 or 20 ayahuasca ceremonies now, but in those first five or six, it was all like me healing, me healing, me healing, but then it became like cosmic, and so cosmic that that's when I decided I'm done, and I don't think I'm done as in I've gotten everything.

Like that's, again, like the ego thinking it knows everything. It's more I'm done, like I don't know how much the mind is capable of handling. And I've gotten a glimpse of like oneness, and there was a moment where I'm like laying there, and I'm just just going through it, and I just remember connecting so deeply with even like the earthworms, and I would like hold my hands like this. I remember I was like rubbing them, and I was like, oh, a fly rubs its antennas like that. There's like, literally, no difference between me and a fly.

And then, I like looked up, and all of a sudden, the stars, and I'm like, oh, my God, I'm that, too. Like I connected to a fly, and to the stars, and I literally was like, oh, my God, if I want right now, I could open my eyes, like my metaphysical eye, and this whole thing would be over. The game would be done, I'd wake up from this dream. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, I am not going to wake up from this dream, I am not ready to wake up from this dream, I'm enjoying it way too much. And so, I forced myself to like snap out of it. I like sat up and I was like, no, no, no, I'm not ending this dream, you know what I mean? Like I-

Luke Storey: [00:46:28] The dream of being human and being in this-

Frank Elaridi: [00:46:29] Oh, my God, yeah. I was adamant that I was like, I'm not done dreaming, you know what I mean? I'm not done. And I even, at one point, ran out of the room. I ran out, and I was like, I'm not waking up. And I mean, like waking up from this dream, this reality. And so, I think that's why I was like done, done. I mean, I would remember walking down the stairs, I say this, I don't know why, as an example, I think it comes to me so vividly, but like two weeks later, normally, I would have been integrated, I'm back in the world, but I'm walking down the stairs, carrying a basket of laundry, and I like paused halfway down the stairs, and I was like, there are no stairs, like there is no laundry.

I'm creating this illusion, like it's not here, you know what I mean? And then, I was like, oaky, frankly, that's when I was like back to the cartoons, you know what I mean? So, like literally stop doing the laundry. Like I put a bunch of pillows on the floor and just watch cartoons all day, you know what I mean? And now, I'm in a place where I feel really good between kind of both, like having that awareness that that's there and that it really could come back at any moment like that if I do go into ceremony or anything like that, but also enjoy being human, just like enjoy being here, you're here for a reason, we created this world for a reason, like live it.

Luke Storey: [00:47:44] Yeah, it makes sense. It's like I think about it, in that when you have these experiences, the veil of this reality, this dimension, or however many dimensions we can perceive, where it gets lifted, and it's not like something new is being added, it's more like a limitation is being removed, and then you have the expanse of consciousness there at your fingertips. And I don't know, it's tricky, because sometimes, when you're there, depending on the experience you're having, it feels so good and you feel like you're at home. There's not a separation between you and God, and it's just-

Frank Elaridi: [00:48:23] It feels so good.

Luke Storey: [00:48:24] Right. But then, I've realized, well, if this is what this life was supposed to be like all the time, then none of the structure of form would need to be here. We would just be etheric beings, angels, or whatever, you know what I mean? Like you wouldn't need a body, and stuff, and food, and people, and all this tangible evidence that we call reality. So, it's like almost for me, sometimes, like, oh, I don't want to go back into the density, I just want to float around out here. But then, it's the reality that you just described is like, "Well, if that's what was meant to be happening, then you would not go back in your body, or in the middle of the ceremony, you would die", you know what I mean?

Frank Elaridi: [00:49:02] And I thought about somebody.

Luke Storey: [00:49:04] And then, you would be in the ethers doing some other stuff as consciousness rather than being a you.

Frank Elaridi: [00:49:09] Yeah. And I thought about somebody who was like in the mainstream news who died in ayahuasca ceremony. Of course, like everybody picked up that story. He was like 15 and died in Peru, I think, in the Amazon, and they buried his body, and didn't tell his parents like this place that was facilitating. It was kind of I get why it would be a big deal, like it kind of like feels shady, but I, for some reason, connected with him, even though I hadn't heard the story in like two years, but I connected with him in that last ceremony where I decided to stop working with the medicine, was how good he felt in that moment and how blissful it was for him to let go.

Like he went so, so deep that he just was like [making sounds], "I'm out". And I remember thinking when I first read the story how terrified he must have been, and, oh, my God, he died on some bad ayahuasca or something, and that could be the case, like he could have. But my experience, I was so ready to let go, that I was like, this is probably what he felt. I'm like [making sounds] I mean, in any moment now, I'm in bliss, you know what I mean? And it's not even bliss, it's cosmic.

It's like you said, it's expansive. I remember being like among the stars, and I was having a conversation with Creator and with creation, and I was kind of like this little innocent kid, and I just was like, and like what if this happened right now? He'd be like, "Well, this would happen". And I'm like, okay, and what if I like didn't come back? "Okay. Well, you'd be here." And I was like, well, what about my mom? Like she's going to miss me. And he's like, "Yeah, she'll still there, you'll still be there, too, everything is still there, like you know what I mean?

Luke Storey: [00:50:43] Yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [00:50:43] But like talking so calmly and I was just like asking all my questions, like, okay, but what if I did this? It's so interesting. I mean, it's just so interesting to be in that space where it's so expansive, and you can ask anything and get the answer, but also like not frightening, but, I think, takes work to like make the decision of I want to come back, once you get to like that extremely out of your body.

Luke Storey: [00:51:10] What do you think some of the downsides or risks of those experiences for people? I always like to throw that in, because having had only positive experiences myself, I sometimes feel like, okay, I have a sense of responsibility, and not just being a cheerleader, like everyone should go to plant medicines. Every time I do them, I'm like in the middle of it, and after, I'm like, okay, I need to tell everyone. But I'm sure people for whom it's not appropriate maybe ever, and for some, perhaps not at different stages of their life and things like that. What do you think? Like has anything ever gone wrong for you, or what's your take on how someone could help discern whether or not something like that would be appropriate?

Frank Elaridi: [00:51:55] I mean, I think it's such a personal choice. And like you, I'm not like a medical expert in this field, I don't study plant medicine, it's all anecdotal, and I've only really had positive experiences, too, but I would say, like if somebody has a history already of being overly paranoid, or maybe schizophrenic, or bipolar, or something, then like maybe I would not do it. I wouldn't do that. If it's something like depression or anxiety, I would highly recommend it.

Like I can't think of anything better for somebody who's—especially if, like not even ayahuasca, but like psilocybin or something. I've worked with so many people, or even like when I go to these retreats, I remember there was one video that I did at Rythmia in Costa Rica, and this woman and her daughter were walking out as I was walking in. It was my first day and it was their last day.

And they were like so smiley, and I just took out my phone, as you do, just like start right then and there. And so, I took it out, and I was like, hey, do you guys mind telling me about your experience as you leave? And they were like, "Oh, my God, we're so happy". And the daughter and the mom were like hugging, and the mom goes, "Yeah, my husband, six months ago, shot himself in the head died, and a month later, my son did the same thing".

And so, this girl's brother and dad, and then this woman's son and husband, and she just starts crying as she's talking to me. And she says, "We came in here with guilt, with anxiety, with depression", and I was like, and you're leaving with? And she was like, "None of it, none of it". And she's just crying. And she was like, "It's a bullet train. It's a bullet train to the end." And I'll never forget.

Like I still hear her voice, I still see her eyes, she was like, "It's a bullet train to the end". And they looked at each other, and she was like, "I just want you to know I love you so much", and like the daughter and mom saying that together, and then they hugged. And it's like how I started my video, but it was like my first experience walking in. And you know this, like so many stories like that. Another one lost his mom and connected with her in ceremony.

And then, another one was addicted to drugs for years and it saved his life, so then he came and brought his whole family the next time. Like there are just so many stories. But of course, then there's like the ones also who are like, I had one guy the—first time I ever went to an ayahuasca retreat, I went with a friend from San Diego, and I stayed the full seven days, and he left after the second day.

Luke Storey: [00:54:30] Really?

Frank Elaridi: [00:54:30] Yeah, he was like, I just don't—I don't like this and I don't want to do it.

Luke Storey: [00:54:33] Wow.

Frank Elaridi: [00:54:33] Yeah. And he heard people talking about aliens and stuff, and it freaked him out, and he left. 

Luke Storey: [00:54:33] Well, good for him.

Frank Elaridi: [00:54:39] Yeah, good for him. I was mad at him at the time. Obviously, you go with somebody, and they leave, and then I'm like stuck in this room that we were sharing now by myself. I was mad, and then I appreciated him after, and I was like, you know what, like he did what he needed to do, and good for him to not feel like he was obligated to stay or anything like that..

Luke Storey: [00:54:57] What about this place—I think it's called Arkana or something in Mexico.

Frank Elaridi: [00:55:01] Arkana was the one. That was my last one. That was the one where I stopped.

Luke Storey: [00:55:04] Oh, okay. Yeah, because I think—were you there with Aaron Alexander?

Frank Elaridi: [00:55:08] Yes.

Luke Storey: [00:55:08] Yeah. I remember a few of my friends were going at that particular time. And I forget if it was you or Aaron that told me, they're like, "Yeah, the first day, you do mushrooms, then you do ayahuasca, then you do Bufo".

Frank Elaridi: [00:55:20] Literally, all three in one week.

Luke Storey: [00:55:21] I'm like, What? I hope these people know what they're doing. That sounded like-

Frank Elaridi: [00:55:26] It was a lot. That's the one where I said, I'll never do it again. That's when I said, I'll never do it again.

Luke Storey: [00:55:30] I mean, that's a lot of energies and a lot of medicine. I mean, not judging, I'm just like, wow, it takes a certain type of person to be able to like come out the other side of that and be able to spell their name.

Frank Elaridi: [00:55:42] Oh, yeah. I will say that they had a different shaman who specializes in each thing. So, actually, the one that was working with the mushrooms comes from Guadalajara, and she's a descendant of Maria Sabina, who like Life magazine did this big exposé on in the '70s, and that's what actually brought awareness to mushrooms in the West. Like she was her, right?

Luke Storey: [00:56:05] Right.

Frank Elaridi: [00:56:05] Maria Sabina. So, this was like a descendant of hers.

Luke Storey: [00:56:07] Wow.

Frank Elaridi: [00:56:08] Yeah. Like great granddaughter, something like that. I forgot what the actual thing was. So, I did nine-and-a-half grams two days in a row with them.

Luke Storey: [00:56:17] Oh, my God. 

Frank Elaridi: [00:56:18] Can you imagine? 

Luke Storey: [00:56:19] No.

Frank Elaridi: [00:56:20] And before that, I had done like five at most, I think. Nine-and-a-half, and then another nine-and-a-half. And then, skipped the third day, because me and Aaron both were like, "We're just not going to do ceremony today. We need just to recoup and whatever." And then, we did two nights of ayahuasca, I think, and Bufo in between.

Luke Storey: [00:56:38] Oh, my God.

Frank Elaridi: [00:56:39] Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. And that's when I was like. I'll never do it again, but I'm so glad I did. I don't know if you want to do a trip report or anything like that, like should I say-

Luke Storey: [00:56:50] I love it.

Frank Elaridi: [00:56:50] Can I? Okay. 

Luke Storey: [00:56:51] Yeah. Well, what I was getting at, because I thought Bufo was involved in that

Frank Elaridi: [00:56:55] Bufo was involved.

Luke Storey: [00:56:56] Pretty much, if I'm honest, like I could just start a new podcast that's called like the Bufo podcast, and just talk to every person about 5-MeO-DMT, just because it's—I mean, it's beyond words.

Frank Elaridi: [00:57:11] But you've done it several times, right?

Luke Storey: [00:57:13] Yeah. And there's just-

Frank Elaridi: [00:57:15] One was tough for me. I can't do it again.

Luke Storey: [00:57:16] There's nothing in the human experience I can imagine as being even remotely close to as profound as that's been.

Frank Elaridi: [00:57:25] I can't imagine doing that again.

Luke Storey: [00:57:27] Yeahh. So, what's your trip report and tell me about-

Frank Elaridi: [00:57:31] Well, the trip report was actually from the mushroom ceremony, which I think is probably the most interesting of all the stuff that happened. Actually, you know what, it was ayahuasca. It was ayahuasca. It was ayahuasca, because I remember throwing up after, and I never purge during ayahuasca. I never purge. I've purged in two of my 18 ceremonies, 18 or 20. Okay. This story that I think is the most interesting is the last time that I had done an ayahuasca ceremony was like six months before and I connected very deeply with a cousin of mine who passed away from brain cancer a year before.

And we hadn't talked in like 10 years, but we were extremely close, really close, not just me and her, me and that whole family. And so, I kind of had this like feeling, like I didn't—when I heard she died, I was really sad and I was like taken aback, but I didn't really process it. I was continuing to live my life. And I'm in ceremony, and I'm just like fetal position, crying, connecting with her.

This is like in Costa Rica. Fast forward. So, I thought I healed it completely, completely, completely. Like really thought I had healed it. Full circle, I felt healing for me, for my whole family, it was just deep. Six months later, I'm at Arkana and I'm working with plant medicine again. On the shuttle bus to Arkana, I sit next to my friend, Dakota, who also has a YouTube channel, it's called Dakota of Earth, and he's amazing.

And he just like goes all over the world telling spiritual stories, going to India for six months, like Turkey for three months. He's incredible. And he's at the front of the bus. I was in the back, actually doing an Emotion Code session for some of my clients remotely. And when I finished, I went to the front and I said to this girl, hey, can I sit here? And she was like, "Yeah". And Dakota, my friend, and the person sitting next to him goes, "You guys kind of look alike", and I look at the girl that I was like, can I sit next to you, and she looks exactly like my cousin who passed away.

Short black hair, like a boycott, kind of like mine. My cousin had—she was really tall and she had short like boy hair. And I was like, oh, yeah. Turns out this girl is half Lebanese and also survived from cancer a year ago. So, she looks like my cousin, survived cancer at the same time my cousin died from it, is also half Lebanese, like all of these similarities.

And I think really nothing of it other than it's kind of interesting and cool. In ceremony, they give you this little—because it's not like Soltara or Rythmia, Arkana is pitch black. You're in a dark room. You can't see anything. There's not even a candle. And they give you these little flashlights, but they're red. They have red tape on them so that you're not bothering anybody in their session. If you need to go to the bathroom, you can use your red light.

Luke Storey: [01:00:20] No blue light.

Frank Elaridi: [01:00:21] No blue light. You would love it. You would love it. It's literally a red light.

Luke Storey: [01:00:24] Yeah, that's the best.

Frank Elaridi: [01:00:25] But it's very dim. So, I'm using mine, I go to the bathroom, and I have my experience in there, and as I'm walking back to my cot, I see her, and she goes, "Frank", and she looks just like my cousin, and it's dark, and she sounds like her. They have that Lebanese accent. They both have short, dark hair. She says, "Frank, I can't find my light, can you help me?" And I'm like, okay. And so, I hold her hand, and she's like, "Walk me back. Can you walk me back?"

And I was like, yeah. And like the metaphor of this girl that looks like my cousin who passed away says, "I can't find my light, can you walk me back?", and I'm walking her to her cot, and I literally was so emotional in that moment, and they were like, somebody, one of the volunteers walked up, and was like, "It's okay, Frank, I'll take her". And I was like, no, no, no, I need to do this. Like I have to do it.

And I walked her to her cot, and I tucked her in, and I gave her a hug and a kiss, and I was like, okay, like I love you so much, be safe. And I went back to my cot and I threw up immediately, just started throwing up. And I had never purged. I purged once before only in ceremony out of all my ceremonies. And I just started like purging it all, like purging it all. And my friend, Dakota, came, and he was like rubbing my back, and I was like, I feel like I'm doing it for my whole family, and he was like, "Yeah, you are. You are. You are. Just let it out. Let it out."

But it's like, I feel ayahuasca doesn't just do things for you, maybe you feel this, too, in ceremony, but she, like the energy of ayahuasca, arranges scenarios around you leading up to the ceremony and in the ceremony. Like I've never been in a ceremony and thought this is by accident that this person is next to me, and this person is here, and that person is here. Like it all comes together in the weirdest way.

Luke Storey: [01:02:00] Yeah, very much so. It's a strange orchestration. Thank you for sharing that.

Frank Elaridi: [01:02:04] Yeah, thank you.

Luke Storey: [01:02:06] Yeah. I mean, I think, sometimes, there's just so much depth to our healing, right?

Frank Elaridi: [01:02:14] Yeah.

Luke Storey: [01:02:14] You go to talk therapy and there's a certain level that you can get to, you feel comfortable talking about something, you're not triggered, and you feel like you're able to move on from it, some loss, or trauma, or something, and then there's like the moment when you cry, you feel it, and you emote, and you think it's out of your body. And then, there are layers underneath that that you don't even know were possible to reach, which has been my experience, too. Sometimes, I wonder with different things that I've worked onm and I feel like, man, I'm clean, I'm complete, I wonder like, God, is there anything there? And I guess they'll show up if it's supposed to. So, you said you did the Bufo, the one time, and you feel like that's a wrap for you on that. What was that like for you?

Frank Elaridi: [01:02:58] I don't think I even—and it's so funny that I say that I'm done, because I don't think I got the full experience, because I did not catapult out of my body. I didn't see the angelic realm. I didn't hear the music. I wasn't there. But I did, what happened was I inhaled, I inhaled, he was like, "More, and more, and more" I kept doing it, and then I I felt like I just expanded, but I was still aware of everything that was happening.

And I don't know how to explain the feeling of what I felt. It's like I went to this kind of realm where I was like still here, I was aware of what I was doing the whole time, but it was just more expansive. And then, I came back, and I think it lasted like two minutes, it wasn't like this 15-minute thing. I was seeing other people, even Aaron, like really [making sounds] he was like breathing [making sounds] when he was like in it, and I don't feel like I had that.

It felt like two minutes, I don't really know. But when I woke up, I remember feeling like I was in a Hindu painting and I thought, wow, if we really experience life the way it is, there was actually somebody—in their defense, in my defense, it actually was like a Hindu painting. They were serving chocolates. They even like brought me a little water and a chocolate after I woke up, and there was somebody playing the harp in the corner, literally.

And I looked around, and I was like, wow, like I'm in these paintings, like when we see these old like depictions of like how life was like, we were in the outdoor area in the Yucatan, in Mexico, that was just mountains and trees everywhere, and people playing the harp, and making chocolate, and I was like, wow, I'm in a Hindu painting, and like, this is how life could be so symbiotic, and beautiful, and kumbaya.

And we've lost connection with that, but I do want to say also about ayahuasca, just because I'm like staring at Alyson's book is, I think one of the biggest experiences that I had was a connection with nature. And a few days ago, there was this butterfly, come home from Dallas after work, and there was a butterfly that was dead, and it was on the ground. And I'm thinking, God, my cat's probably killed it or something, and I feel bad. How did it get in here anyway?

But all of a sudden, I see it go like that, and it like fluttered a little, like barely, like undetectable, and I thought, oh, my God, well, if there's anything I could do, it's like let it die outside in the soil and negative ions of the Earth, not in my house that's concrete floor. And so, I pick it up and I put it outside, the second I put it on the ground, I kid you not, this thing that was like a lifeless starts going, and it's just like flashing its wings, and then it goes [making sounds], and then it just died.

And I thought, whoa, like, you just needed that some kind of connection with Earth, it did something, I don't know, the wings were tore up, you could tell. So, it wasn't going to go anywhere, it was going to do anything, but it just started fluttering, fluttering, fluttering, and then it just [making sounds] died. But I had this immediate feeling of like, why were you in my life? What kind of omen are you?

Transformation maybe, metamorphosis, like is this a new phase in my life? But these animals actually, and I read Alyson's book, and I connected with it so deeply, because they really do mean something, and they really do come to us for a reason, and I learned that from ayahuasca, because in my first ceremony ever, because I knew I was going to Costa Rica, I was like, Dear God, please, like no lizards.

I don't care about anything else, but just like, please, no lizards, no lizards, no lizards. I swear, I get to the ceremony, and there were about 20 lizards, and they were only over my cot. No one else's. And I was like, oh, of course, of course. But by the end of the night, they were like my safety net, and I love them so much, because it was like, I always could go back to that, like I knew they were there and like that was a reality.

And now, when I see them, they're such a good omen, because we live in Texas, I see lizards all the time. Second time, I was like, okay, Costa Rica again, fine, lizards, I get it, I'm okay with that now, but please, like seriously, God, no scorpions, because like scorpions actually can hurt me. Well, so actually no scorpions, but like everything else is fine. I'm okay with lizards now. And I get to my room and there was a scorpion on my door.

I literally called them, I called the people at the front, because I was too afraid to open the door. And like they came and removed it. So, that happens. So, this last ceremony now, we'll like fast-forward like 10 ceremonies, my last one where I was like, I'll never do this again, Aaron is actually right next to me in the cot. The ceremony is over. I've had this cosmic experience. It was the one where I was like talking to creator, right? I come back from it, and literally, they turn on the light, the second—oh, I have to get—Okay. So, my friend, Dakota, who told me about Arkana, he was Instagramming, because he was there like a month before I even got there. He just stayed for like a whole month.

And he was Instagramming, and he was like, "Look, found a tarantula in my room". And I was like, oh, no, so I get there, and I'm like, God, I understand now scorpions, and lizards, and all that, but like seriously, no tarantulas. Like I just do not want to see a tarantula. Please, please, please, please. And I get to ceremony, we do the whole thing, the night goes by, everything is great, and the second they turn on the light, I go, I look at like Aaron, I'm like, ah, I like get up and a tarantula falls from the ceiling onto my pillow. Literally, the second I put my head up.

Luke Storey: [01:08:02] Oh, my God, dude. 

Frank Elaridi: [01:08:04] I was like, of course, of course. But now, I just get it and I'm like stop asking for things that you don't want, because it's like it's all there to teach you, and like they're omens, you know what I mean?

Luke Storey: [01:08:13] Yeah. Wow.

Frank Elaridi: [01:08:13] It's so funny.

Luke Storey: [01:08:14] Wow. Yeah, there's-

Frank Elaridi: [01:08:16] Like God, please no lottery, like just don't let me win the lottery.

Luke Storey: [01:08:19] That's hilarious. Yeah, I've been learning a lot from Alyson's book, because she uses her own book, and now, she has a deck, like an oracle deck, too. And so, I'm now paying much more attention, because I see her work with it at her altar in the morning, and she's like, well, this book, I mean, not tooting her own horn, she's like, this is really powerful, this is real stuff. So, I'm now starting to clue into that, because as far out as I am, in some ways, still, things like that are a stretch for me, like, oh, a rabbit walked by, then that means something, that's like, wow, it's just a rabbit.

Frank Elaridi: [01:08:51] Yeah, I question myself, too, sometimes.

Luke Storey: [01:08:54] But when you think about the nature of consciousness and reality, there are no accidents, right? Everything is just perfectly orchestrated. So, perhaps there is something we can learn. Just for the record, I'm not afraid of most creatures, but if a tarantula landed on my pillow-

Frank Elaridi: [01:09:09] Literally on my pillow

Luke Storey: [01:09:09] ... I'd be tripping, bro.

Frank Elaridi: [01:09:12] That's the crazy thing, is I wasn't scared, I just laughed, I thought it was so funny.

Luke Storey: [01:09:15] Oh, my God. Alright. Let's get into The Emotion Code. It's funny. I just made this connection a couple of days ago. I remember, I think in LA, I think we went out to dinner one night in Laurel Canyon, right?

Frank Elaridi: [01:09:30] Yeah.

Luke Storey: [01:09:30] And you were telling me, oh, there's this thing, Emotion Code, it's helped me so much, it's awesome.

Frank Elaridi: [01:09:33] Oh, right, right.

Luke Storey: [01:09:34] And then, yeah, I kind of forgot about it, but I think you had mentioned there was a guy that kind of came up with it and had a book. I got an email a few months ago after we were living here from a woman, and she was like, "Hey, I listen to your podcast, I do this thing called The Emotion Code, and I'd like to give you a free session". So, I was like, cool, let's do it, and felt into it, it felt interesting. And we did at least one, maybe two of them, just remotely on Skype and it was freaking wild. In fact, I kind of just got busy, and then I forgot about it, but she was like, "Hey, if you ever want to do more", but yeah, we were working on like back pain and stuff like that. And I mean, I'll let you explain what it is and maybe we can do one.

Frank Elaridi: [01:10:17] Yeah, we should do it.

Luke Storey: [01:10:18] You have your magnet there. But basically, what happened was, I mean, through the process that you'll describe, my freaking body, I was having like basically a kundalini energy like running through my body, where I'm like shaking involuntarily, and it went on, and on, and on, which I've had happen a few times in my life in the past couple of years, but this was like very pronounced and it went on for quite a long time.

Frank Elaridi: [01:10:43] During the session or after?

Luke Storey: [01:10:44] Yeah, during.

Frank Elaridi: [01:10:44] Okay.

Luke Storey: [01:10:45] And she's just chilling on Zoom, just kind of, I have the laptop on the bed, and I'm laying there. Alyson's in the other room, and I'm in there like on a Zoom with someone just gyrating, and like electricity running through my body, and it was super interesting, but I didn't make the connection until we planned this interview. I was like, oh, that's the thing Frank was telling me about that he does with people, and then I went and did it. So, very, very cool stuff. So, give us a breakdown of like who's the guy that came up with it, the book, how you met them, or learned about it, and started doing it.

Frank Elaridi: [01:11:18] So, I was working with clients and I was doing healings, but not at all with this. And the clients were, I was not talking about it publicly and there were like celebrities, royals, high net worth people, then when I met Dr. Bradley Nelson, who created The Emotion Code and I had worked in Mexico with a woman who uses magnets. In fact, these are hers, I got these from her, but she places them all over your body, where she muscle tests and sees there's weakness, and she literally just keep it on your body in that spot for about 15, 20 minutes.

So, I already knew about magnetic healing, and I loved it, but I didn't have like a way, a simple way to use it on people and with people until The Emotion Code. And so, what Dr. Bradley Nelson discovered is like through muscle testing, which you know about Power vs. Force, which is like one of my favorite all-time books, and I was actually supposed to interview David Hawkins on my YouTube channel before he passed away. It was such a big loss. Such a big loss. 

Luke Storey: [01:12:15] That's one of my life regrets, actually, is like not having a podcast when he was still alive. I did get to see him speak a couple of times-

Frank Elaridi: [01:12:21] Oh, you did? I never even got to do that.

Luke Storey: [01:12:22] ... which is nice, but yeah, that's one of my last interviews.

Frank Elaridi: [01:12:25] Yeah, that's incredible.

Luke Storey: [01:12:26] Of course, at that time, I would have asked him stuff that was not as meaningful, I think, as what I would come up with now.

Frank Elaridi: [01:12:32] Yeah, 100%. So, he has muscle testing, and he talks about it, and teaches it, and there are so many ways you can muscle test. So, Dr. Bradley Nelson, who spoke at Modern Nirvana Conference, by the way, last year.

Luke Storey: [01:12:44] Oh, really?

Frank Elaridi: [01:12:45] You were both there, yeah.

Luke Storey: [01:12:46] Oh, no way.

Frank Elaridi: [01:12:46] Yeah, he did a live demo on stage two, great.

Luke Storey: [01:12:49] Oh, shit, I missed that.

Frank Elaridi: [01:12:50] Yeah.

Luke Storey: [01:12:50] I was probably upstairs doing-

Frank Elaridi: [01:12:51] He actually flew his private plane to the conference.

Luke Storey: [01:12:54] Really?

Frank Elaridi: [01:12:54] Yeah, obviously didn't land it there, somewhere else, but like from Utah to there.

Luke Storey: [01:12:58] Baller.

Frank Elaridi: [01:12:58] Yeah, very cool. And I mean, he flew it himself.

Luke Storey: [01:13:02] Yeah, I got that. Yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [01:13:03] Not like, oh, he took a private plane. So, he created this chart, right? And by the way, so the body code goes way deeper and we can do that as well, but that's like, I did it actually for a friend last week. She lost six pounds in one week. She wanted to do a session about weight loss. And there were certain things, like trapped emotions that I cleared that we're keeping weight on, like her actually creating a barrier around herself to keep people away, like we cleared that.

But then, there was also, she needed electrolytes. She needed to take valerian root. She needed to take more ginger, passion flowers. So, like your body will tell me what it needs. And the funny thing is I told her about electrolytes, and she was like, "My doctor has been telling me for six—"I introduced her to a functional medicine doctor, that functional medicine doctor has been telling her for six months that she was dehydrated and needed electrolytes, and she was like, "But I never felt thirsty, so I just ignored it".

And she's like, "But literally, the day you told me to do it, I bought them the next day". So, she started taking that, too. But there's a lot of connections with like, I'm telling you this, your doctor's been telling you this, but in one week, she lost six pounds. And she hasn't changed anything. She didn't change how she eats. She didn't change anything.

Luke Storey: [01:14:12] Really? 

Frank Elaridi: [01:14:12] So, there is like the body aspect, because we're holding on to certain emotions that we can clear or your subconscious might say, "I'm really needing this thing and you're not giving it to me, so I can tell you that". But like what we'll do right now, because it's the chart that I have is emotions around a certain topic. So, when you go to therapy, and therapy is great, but it's helping you identify what's going on in your life, so that when you catch yourself doing it, you have the tools to handle it.

It's not necessarily going into a subconscious level and clearing those blocks. So, there's people that I've had, who are like, "I have an eating disorder", and we'll work on it, and I'll say, what happened at age six? You have self-abuse, vulnerability, all this. And they're like, "Oh, age six, my mom and dad got a divorce, and I thought it was my fault". And I'm like, okay, well, that's what it is.

I had a client yesterday who, or the day before, she's 43. She's like, "I'm in a new relationship, but I can't really get into it because of my divorce. I'm still holding on to my divorce." And I'm like, okay, cool, so let's clear up the emotions around your divorce. And I kept going to the age of 40 and 41, and there was so much there. And I was like clearing, there was resentment, there was panic, taken for granted, all these emotions. And I was like, "Was your divorce just a couple of years ago? Was it like 40, 41?

She's like, "Yeah, exactly. Those were the years", but she didn't tell me this, I'm just going to that age. I like to get an age, you don't have to, unless the subconscious tells me to get it, I won't get an age usually, or I don't need to, but I like to get an age for each emotion, because people then will go, "Oh, yeah, that's like when I had the thing, or that's when I whatever". I've worked with like a podcast host before, and we did a live one, and I kept going back to the same age, and he was like, "Oh, that was the year that I moved to the United States and I quit my corporate job".

Luke Storey: [01:15:50] And I heard that one. Yeah, I listened to that. That was very interesting.

Frank Elaridi: [01:15:54] It's really interesting.

Luke Storey: [01:15:55] Yeah. I mean, that's the intriguing part of muscle testing, is that in the field, everything that's ever been is known, right? And so, you don't have to know it. It's not like you have to be psychic. It's like the field knows, and then the nervous system responds as strong or not strong, according to the stimuli, pushing on the arm, pulling the fingers apart, it's the Hawkins like moved kinesiology out of the physical realm, the linear realm, and it's so, so interesting, because it seems like you have that, like doing what you do, a layperson would see like, "Wow, he's psychic or has magic powers, but it's actually-"

Frank Elaridi: [01:16:31] People, I'm telling you, my clients are like that.

Luke Storey: [01:16:35] It's in consciousness.

Frank Elaridi: [01:16:35] My clients still do that. It's interesting because I work with people, and they're like, and I get it, I get it, because I have people like that in my life, who I'm like, and they're like, "Trust me, you can do it, too", and I'm like, no, no, no, it's you, you know what I mean? And so, I get why people attach that to me and probably whoever the practitioner is, but my clients are the same, and they're like, "You are—"and I will say, there are practitioners that are different.

Like some are very intuitive, some like me who have done so much plant medicine and so much of this that I actually know where I'm going on the chart before I go there, but I do this to double-check, because I want to be 100% sure. I'll even ask it like three times in my head. So, like even though I know and even though leading up to it, I knew where I was going to go, I still like to double-test it.

So, I think your practitioner does make a huge, huge difference. I had one friend who did The Emotion Code, it was an incredible story. I don't know, it's kind of personal, but she had a miscarriage, and also, that person dumped her like on Christmas Eve, and then got a job next door to her office, literally. So, she had to see him every day. Like it was all this stuff. And I'm like, oh, you poor woman, right?

And so, like I didn't work on her, I sent her to a friend of mine, and he worked on her. He did an energetic everything. And on the third session, they were clearing emotions, and on the third session, she said to her, "I cleared a lot around relationships today, so don't be surprised if you start noticing a difference". That day, she conceived her child, and now, they're getting married. They already like—contractually, they got married, but they're having like their full-on wedding.

They've been waiting for the pandemic. But they're getting married. They have their baby. They're living together. Everything changed after her session. Everything. Everything. And another friend who worked with us as well, I worked on her personally. She couldn't find a job. She left ABC like a year-and-a-half ago, could not find a job. Her agent has been submitting her, no one's getting back to her. We did a session, and then I scheduled a follow up session for a week later, and she canceled that session, because she got a reporting job at CBS, and they wanted her to start that weekend. One week later, and she's been trying for a year-and-a-half and hadn't had any luck, or not even luck, there are blocks there. 

Luke Storey: [01:18:53] And so, we have these experiences in life, and they kind of imprint us physically or energetically, and we, with our conscious mind, are totally unaware that that's still with us. Like we might think about, oh, you had a divorce, or lost a job, or car accident, or whatever, and you're like, "I'm fine, I'm over that, I'm living my best life, yet I'm stuck in my career or stuck in a relationship", and we have no idea that there's a connection between that.

Frank Elaridi: [01:19:16] Yeah, it shows up in different ways. Like I think probably like you and people who are very in tune, and spiritual, and connected with themselves, they know and they can feel it, but most people, and even us, like most people, it's there, but you don't realize it's there, because what your body does and what your mind does, because it's so genius, like your mind is so brilliant, it's breathing, and we're not even thinking of it, right? Like we do all kinds of things in all moments, like there's probably like this—my body right now is healing this little scratch, like with me completely being unaware of it.

And so, we'll have a traumatic event. And when I say traumatic event, it doesn't have to be something big. Like sometimes, a traumatic event is, literally, you were singing in your room, and you were eight years old, and it was so loud, and your mom said, "Shut up, up there", and in your head, oh, when I sing, that's bad, and you could be like the Whitney Houston singing-wise, and never do anything with that, because when you were nine years old, your mom told you to shut up and you took that as singing is bad. Like it could be something so small.

Luke Storey: [01:20:23] Dude, that's so funny you mentioned that.

Frank Elaridi: [01:20:24] Why? 

Luke Storey: [01:20:25] Because I have that thing with singing.

Frank Elaridi: [01:20:26] You do?

Luke Storey: [01:20:27] Yeah. When I was in my 20s, I played in bands. And I started when I was probably like 20 years old, and I did that for, I don't know, 10, 15 years, or something. But the first band I was in, I was like, I had just learned bass from a guy that I had met, who was in a band that I used to listen to in high school and stuff. He was in this Finnish band called Smack, for anyone listening, I'm sure very few people have heard of them, but I was like really into this band, like they were rock stars.

I had their posters on my wall. Moved to Hollywood, we meet, we become friends, I meet all these other famous musicians and stuff. And so, he taught me how to play bass, and then I got good enough where I could be in a band, and then he joined my band, and we had this band for a while. And because I didn't like know about singing, background vocals, or anything like that, we'd be in rehearsal, and there's four mic set up or whatever in the front, and I'm playing bass, and so I would just start singing background vocals.

I didn't even like think about, can I sing? What note should I be singing? Is this a harmony? Unison? It's like I wrote a lot of the lyrics, or actually, all the lyrics in our band at that time, so I knew the words, so I would start singing. And there was a couple of times where he was like, just gave me this really evil look, scowled look, and just took my mic away, and he's like, "You can't sing".

And it fucking imprinted me to like, still like when I attempt to sing, because I enjoy it, but honestly, I don't think I'm that great at it, but there's a much bigger block to just like, yeah, maybe it's not my main gift to like, no, Luke, you suck at this, don't even try to do it. And I know, because like I still go back to those memories when I find myself singing.

Frank Elaridi: [01:22:09] Can we do that as our session today?

Luke Storey: [01:22:12] Scary. Edge. Yeah, we can. I'm definitely not singing, though. But like I play guitar, I do Instagram Lives and stuff, and people are like, "Why don't you ever sing?" And I'm like, that's why.

Frank Elaridi: [01:22:20] Well, it would be so interesting if we do this, and then the next Instagram Live, you do sing.

Luke Storey: [01:22:24] The only time in my life I've sang and felt like, wow, this actually feels good, I think it sounds good, it's in key was like after an all night peyote ceremony on a couple of different occasions. For some reason, that medicine like takes away that nervousness, and I just sing whatever I'm capable of singing within my range, and I was like, God, why won't this stick? One of two things is happening, either like the block's going away or I still am off key, but because I'm on peyote, I think I sound awesome.

Frank Elaridi: [01:22:55] No, I think it's the fact that you're-

Luke Storey: [01:22:56] Like when you play in a band, there's this known thing like when everyone's doing coke and stuff, like you'll practice a song or record something, and was like, this is brilliant, and then you listen the next day, and you're like, that was shit, delete it.

Frank Elaridi: [01:23:07] Oh, yeah.

Luke Storey: [01:23:08] But yeah, I think it did seriously just, I don't know, diminished that part of myself that I'm speaking of. It's like, you can't sing, don't do it, you suck at it.

Frank Elaridi: [01:23:17] Yeah, that should be our session. I would like to do that.

Luke Storey: [01:23:19] Okay. God, I was going to come up with something way more superficial and less close to home but-

Frank Elaridi: [01:23:22] No, we should do that. 

Luke Storey: [01:23:22] We could do it. That'd be fine, because I would actually-

Frank Elaridi: [01:23:27] Because it could also be contributing to other parts of your life that you have no idea. Like it's not just the singing. It could be that you're not putting yourself out there, like I mean, I feel like you do on these podcasts, but maybe it's on these podcasts, you could go another level of vulnerability, maybe it's something, like it could be in your public speaking, whatever it is.

Luke Storey: [01:23:44] No. Actually, that's really interesting, because when I was feeling in today, like, oh, what would I want to maybe work on? Over the past year since we've lived here, we've been seemingly, endlessly renovating this house. I know I've shared with you. It's been a really quite a challenge. It's a quality problem to have, I'll acknowledge, but it's been extremely challenging in a number of ways.

One of the main things that's come out of it is it's put me in a very consistent position to have to have a voice, and to advocate for myself, and to like bust balls constantly, just confrontation every day, almost, literally, like go to the house, something's wrong, I have to call the guy, do the thing, I have to go meet this, just dozens of people that have been doing the work, and so much of it has been wrong, unfortunately, that I'm like constantly like, oh, I got to drive over to the house, and meet the plumber, meet the electrician, meet this person, and it's like it's so out of my nature to be confrontational.

I really, really don't like conflict. And part of it's just being an easygoing, peace-loving guy, and part of it is things from my childhood that made conflict extremely traumatic and scary, and just learned how to just disappear into the wall and avoid pain. But it's interesting that the singing thing actually came up in this conversation, because it's kind of from the same thing. It's like that lack of ability to actually just use your voice. It's like a block in here, maybe within the body, that's like preventing me from doing that, which is not to make this all about me, but-

Frank Elaridi: [01:25:19] Well, right now, it is. It's about you right now.

Luke Storey: [01:25:20] ... for the sake of demonstration, listeners, please bear with me. Hopefully, people benefit from it. But what I've found interesting about that, because I've felt into this a bit is of all things that I ended up doing as like my purpose-filled career, like I literally just talk. Like If someone asked me what I do for a living, I just say I talk, and that's like, so I'm using my voice for my vocation, yet it's still like the part of me that feels repressed in so many ways in different situations, such as singing or having to really assert myself, and be confrontational with people, and I put my foot down. 

Frank Elaridi: [01:25:54] Yeah.

Luke Storey: [01:25:55] So, yeah, interesting.

Frank Elaridi: [01:25:56] Yeah, it is interesting that you use the thing, like your voice is your tool, and that's what we're going to work on.

Luke Storey: [01:26:02] Cool. Sweet.

Frank Elaridi: [01:26:04] Can we do it?

Luke Storey: [01:26:04] Totally.

Frank Elaridi: [01:26:05] Alright. Let's start.

Luke Storey: [01:26:05] I'm willing to be embarrassingly vulnerable.

Frank Elaridi: [01:26:08] Well, what's interesting, also, I don't know if you've had this experience, but I always would like think of God as this like masculine figure before, and then with my last few ayahuasca ceremonies, it totally changed to Divine Mother, Divine Mother, Divine Mother. I don't know. I connected with this like feminine energy, this like womb that we're all in kind of thing. And so, now, before every session, when I pray, because I always do a prayer before, I always address it to Divine Mother. I'm like, Divine Mother, please enter this space, and let only healing happen here, nothing else. Let this be a healing time for Luke, and like take over my body, do whatever you need, use me to just heal, and that's it. And so, that's what I'll be doing right now, kind of quietly, for just a sec.

Luke Storey: [01:26:50] Yeah. Before you start, and thank you for that intentionality, interestingly, going back to Bufo, I never really had a gendered sense of God, but I think just based on literature that I've read and stuff, it's like it's a him, but I don't I don't really feel that it's just kind of words, right? But in those Bufo experiences, it's like it totally nullified any energetics, because it's such a non-dual space that it's not a feminine or masculine energy, it's like the maximum of both at the same time.

Frank Elaridi: [01:27:25] So true.

Luke Storey: [01:27:25] So, I find myself, now, like when I have to refer to God or Source, it's like I call it an it now, where I used to be like, oh, a him kind of. But yeah, anyway.

Frank Elaridi: [01:27:37] That's actually very interesting. I feel like I think that as well, but I say Divine Mother now, and I feel connected to that motherly energy, but I think it's still like Creator.

Luke Storey: [01:27:46] Yeah. And of course, it is both at different times. Like when I think about my relationship to nature and how I feel the presence of God in the natural world, it's much more feminine, because it's just creation, right? It's just birthing, birthing, birthing, form, and matter, right?

Frank Elaridi: [01:28:05] Mm-hmm.

Luke Storey: [01:28:06] Yeah, and perpetuity. And so, it's just like that's a very feminine-

Frank Elaridi: [01:28:09] What about when you're like hunting and all that? Would that be more like the masculine side of Creator?

Luke Storey: [01:28:16] Well, I've only really been hunting as an adult once recently. I know like if I do a podcast about something, it seems like I do it all the time, and I did a podcast about it, but I think like within myself, more so I have an awareness of when I'm leaning into a feminine or masculine energetic, because I find that if I'm kind of intentional about the way that I'm doing something, that it will help me.

Like if I want to do something creative, like having a conversation, the masculine part of me is much more in the background, just kind of like being mindful of the time, and have my list, and like the container, but the empathy part and the flow of it is totally feminine energy. So, if I want to have a good conversation and ultimately deliver what I hope to be a quality podcast, I'm going to really be in my heart and my body, and be much more fluid than I would if I was sitting down and doing some accounting, you know what I mean?

Or like managing a home renovation, like there's no room for feminine energy in that process with the exception of the creative, like I don't know, do I like that tile there or that one? Like that's my feminine side as more of the artistic, but to actually get in there and get shit done, like I need much more structure and that assertiveness that I spoke of. But anyway-

Frank Elaridi: [01:29:30] Yeah, I love that.

Luke Storey: [01:29:31] Yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [01:29:31] I always joke with YouTube videos, too, that like if it's a male reviewer of a product that I want to buy, I'll watch from the beginning, and if it's a female reviewer, I skip three minutes in, because that's when she's going to start reviewing the product.

Luke Storey: [01:29:42] That's interesting.

Frank Elaridi: [01:29:42] Like leading up to that, it's just like, "So, hey, guys, thank you so much for coming. So, I had this—"I'm like, get to the review. But that is not female, male thing, but a masculine and feminine energy. But sometimes, men can have more of the masculine-

Luke Storey: [01:29:56] Sure. Yeah. It's kind of like the masculine is just-

Frank Elaridi: [01:30:00] Like get to the point.

Luke Storey: [01:30:01] And apart from gender, I mean, just energetically, yeah, masculine is like, what are the facts? And the feminine is like, how does this feel?

Frank Elaridi: [01:30:08] Yeah.

Luke Storey: [01:30:09] Thinking versus feeling, yeah. I think if you want to be a fully integrated person, it's wise to be in touch with both sides of yourself.

Frank Elaridi: [01:30:17] Yeah, tap into the one you need in the moment.

Luke Storey: [01:30:18] Yeah, because otherwise you get stuck in a polarity, right? And it becomes kind of a trap. You don't have that ability to fully express yourself, and especially to relate to other people in all types of relationships.

Frank Elaridi: [01:30:32] Yeah, true.

Luke Storey: [01:30:32] But anyway, let's do your thing.

Frank Elaridi: [01:30:34] Okay. So, I'll just take a few seconds. Infinite light, please in turn to me what you already abide and help me do this healing for Luke. Let whatever healing his subconscious needs come up. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Am I testing for Luke? Yeah. Okay. Am I testing for myself? No, I'm testing for Luke. Okay. Good. So, are there any trapped emotions we can clear to help Luke use his voice? And are there any blocks in the voice and in singing? Yes. Okay. It's the first one in Column A, and Column B, odd row, even row, row two, row four, okay, depression, frustration, indecisiveness, panic. Okay. First one's panic. Taking for granted, panic. Can we get an age for the panic? Yeah. Do you mind saying how old you are?

Luke Storey: [01:31:23] How old I am now?

Frank Elaridi: [01:31:25] Yeah, now. 

Luke Storey: [01:31:26] Fifty-one.

Frank Elaridi: [01:31:26] Fifty-one. Okay. So, did the panic occur before the age of 40? Yeah. Before the age of 30? No. After 30? After 35? Yeah, 35. Okay. Age 36. Age 36. Yeah. Panic, age 36. Okay. Can we clear it? Yeah. Do we need to know anymore? No. Okay. So, I just swiped the magnet over my meridian, which is clearing it from you. Okay. Did we clear it? Yeah. Good.

Okay. Can we clear more? Column A, column B, odd row, even row, okay, row one, row three, row five, row three, confusion, defensiveness, grief, self-Abuse, stubbornness. Okay. Stubbornness, can we get an age for the stubbornness? Yeah. Was it before the age of 30? After 30. After 40? Yeah. After 50. Before 50. After 45. Before 45. After 40? Yeah. 40, 41, 42. Okay. Stubbornness, age 42. Can we clear it? Yeah. Do we need to know anymore? No. If any of these resonate, you can tell me also if anything comes up.

Luke Storey: [01:32:23] Mm-hmm. It's funny because when we get later in life, I have no sense of time for like-

Frank Elaridi: [01:32:28] Yeah, it's hard for me, too.

Luke Storey: [01:32:30] Like if you're like, what happened when you were five, I'm like, got it, and then after 30 or so, there's no like definite timestamps between 30 and current 51.

Frank Elaridi: [01:32:43] Do you know about the band, when that would have been, that singing moment?

Luke Storey: [01:32:47] Yeah, I do.

Frank Elaridi: [01:32:47] Because the first one was 36.

Luke Storey: [01:32:49] I probably was like winding down the music thing at that point. The thing that I spoke about earlier, where I was like, "Shut up, don't sing", that was, and I'll tell my friend, Rane, he probably never watches or listens to my podcast, but-

Frank Elaridi: [01:33:04] This is the friend that said it?

Luke Storey: [01:33:05] Yeah. You fucker. No, we're cool, but yeah, I'm sure he didn't—I probably was off key and he was just being a good bandleader, and maybe someone could have said it more gently. But no, that period was like 20 through 26, when I was in that.

Frank Elaridi: [01:33:23] Okay. So, that wouldn't have been this. This was 36. Okay. Cool. Okay. So, we did, what was it so far? Stubbornness and panic. Okay. Can we clear more? Yeah. Column A, Column B, odd row, even row. Okay. Row two, row four. Depression, frustration, indecisiveness, panic, taken for granted. Okay. Taken for granted. Do we need to know more? No. Can we get an age? Yeah. Before the age of 40? Yeah. Before the age of 30? No. Before the age of 35? Before the age of 30? After 30? Thirty, 31, 32.

Okay. Age 32. Do we need to know anymore? No. Can we clear it? Wait. Do we need to know more? Can we clear it? Yeah. Okay. So, taken for granted. Okay. Did we clear it? Yeah. Can we clear more? Column A, column B, odd row, even row, row two, row four, row six. Pride, shame, okay, shock, unworthy, worthless, shame. Shame is the next one. Can we get an age? Was it before the age of 30? Before the age of 20? After 20. After 25? Twenty-five, 26, 27, 28. Okay. Age 28. Shame. Can we clear it? Yeah. Do we need to know any more? No. So, we'll clear that. Okay. Did we clear the shame? Yeah.

Can we clear more? Okay. Can we clear any more for singing? No. Can we clear anymore for the voice? Yeah. Column A, Colum B, odd row, even row, row two, row four, row six. Pride, shame, shock. Okay. Shock. And can we get an age for the shock? Yeah. Was it before the age of 20? No. After 20. After 25? After 30? Before 30? Twenty-five, 26, 27. Okay. Shock, age 27. Do we need to know more? No. Can we clear it? Yeah. So, we can clear that.

Okay. Can we clear more? Good. Column A, column B, odd row, even row, row two, row four. Depression, frustration, indecisiveness. Okay. Indecisiveness. And can we get an age? Yeah. Before the age of 20? No, after 20. After 30? Okay. After 35? Before 35. Thirty, 31, 32. Okay. Age 32. Do we need to know more? No. Can we clear it? Okay. So, we'll clear that. Indecisiveness at age 32. Did we clear it? Yeah. Can we clear more? Can we clear anymore? Okay. That's all that's going to let me clear. So, that's good. How do you feel?

Luke Storey: [01:35:54] I feel super chill. 

Frank Elaridi: [01:35:56] Good, which is not a lot, by the way. We clear usually like 10 to 12, to 15 in one session, I think you got like six.

Luke Storey: [01:36:01] Well, I am enlightened, so that would make sense.

Frank Elaridi: [01:36:02] I know. It's very little. Maybe that's all we needed around your voice. You've done so much healing. But how do you feel?

Luke Storey: [01:36:10] I feel very relaxed. I actually noticed when you started, like I didn't even realize I was like holding tension in my shoulders, and I felt like, ah, my shoulders kind of dropped like that. Yeah, I was looking out for like, when you were going on the ages, trying to like, oh, is there something there at that point? And nothing came to mind that I was like certain about like, oh, 32, where something that happened.

Frank Elaridi: [01:36:35] It's funny, because, well, first of all, I never know anything, either. So, when people say like, when I do a session for myself, age 30, whatever, age 20, age 16, I don't remember anything. And it's always like the next day or two days later that I'm like, oh, I remember now. So, I remember I did a scan, a brain scan with Dr. Amen, Dr. Daniel Amen, I've done this twice, but the first time, he was like, "Did you ever hit your head right here?" And he pointed to like the back of my head, and I was like, no, and he said, "Never?" And I'm like, no. He's like, okay, because there is trauma there.

And I like go to bed that night and I don't know if it was that night before I went to bed or the next morning when I woke up, I can't remember, but it was like, boom, lightbulb, I'm like, oh, I was at the gym, and I hit my head on the sauna, on like the medal around the lightbulb, because it was so foggy in there and I couldn't see, and there was blood, and I actually went to the emergency room, and they stapled my head, and it was in that spot. And I still have a little, like I have a little scab there, or a little scar, or whatever it is right there, and I totally forgot. And sometimes, we block out these things. They either don't seem that big or we forget about it, but still, like the energetic component can still be there.

Luke Storey: [01:37:47] I mean, totally. Think about all of the things like that that happen in your life, and they seem minor, so you don't really log them in your memory, versus like we have our core wounds, right? Three, four, five things that happen that were super, super brutal, that like your conscious mind gets imprinted with, but there are breakups, and losing job opportunities, and car accidents.

Luke Storey: [01:38:11] The big ones.

Luke Storey: [01:38:11] There are all kinds of shit that happens in between that has an impact on us that we don't spend any time thinking about. We just move on.

Frank Elaridi: [01:38:18] Yeah. Actually, I wonder if there's any—sorry, if there's—because we didn't go to those ages of 20 to 26, I'm going to ask specifically about that event. So, with that event, what was the name again?

Luke Storey: [01:38:29] Rane, R-A-N-E.

Frank Elaridi: [01:38:31] Okay. Is there any trapped emotions from that incident with Ronnie that we can clear? Okay. Good. Column A, column B, odd row, even row, row two, row four, row six. Pride, shame, shock, unworthy, worthless. Okay. Worthless is the first one. Can I clear it? Yeah. So, I just want to make sure to get that event. So, worthless is one. Okay. Can we clear more? Yeah. Column A, column B, odd row, even row, row two, row four.

Depression, frustration, indecisiveness, panic, taken for granted, inherited. Oh, okay. So, this is interesting. This is an inherited emotion. So, at conception, you would have inherited one of these emotions that I'm about to find, and because of that, it would have been how you reacted in that situation, or like if you felt something, like let's say worthless or whatever this is, it came up in that moment with Rane.

So, let's see what it was. And when I clear this from you, I'll clear it from whichever parent you got it from. Inherited depression, inherited frustration, inherited indecisiveness, inherited panic. Okay. Inherited panic. Is this from your dad? This is from your mom, from your dad. It's from your dad. Does it go back further than him? No. Can we clear it? Okay. So, I'll do 10 swipes this time, because I'm clearing it from both of you.

So, at some point, in your dad's life, he felt panic and you picked that up at conception in a way like they're doing it to protect you. It's like I felt panic, I'm going to pass this on to you so that you don't feel it. And so, when we clear it, we're clearing it from you and from him, wherever he is, alive or not. So, did we clear the panic? Yeah. But what happens is, sometimes, then, like in that moment when Rane said whatever, you could have felt panic for a second, but that panic is, you're feeling it, because you inherited that emotion. You already have it in you to feel it, and it triggered it.

So, were there any more? Well, actually, did we clear the panic? Yeah. And are there any more from that incident? Yes. So, worthless and inherited panic so far. Can we clear more? Column A, column B, odd row, even row, row one, row three, row three, row five. Conflict, creative insecurity, terror. Terror. Unsupported wishy-washy. Terror. Terror. Okay. I mean, it doesn't seem like you would feel like terror in that moment, but terror was one. Can we clear more? I mean, can we clear it? Yeah. So, terror, worthless, and panic. Pretty big emotions for just somebody to say, I'll give you a look and be like, stop, can we clear more? But that happens.

Luke Storey: [01:40:53] Totally, yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [01:40:55] And you can say anything, by the way, while I do it.

Luke Storey: [01:40:57] Especially if like in that particular situation, had it been said by someone who I consider to be more of a peer, would be like, whatever, screw you, but this is like the person who was teaching me music, right? It's like your music teacher basically and, "Oh, you suck at that, don't bother", kind of thing. And the embarrassment of other people witnessing that and things like that. Again, one of those things you think in the moment, like, ah, no big deal, whatever, and then you don't realize it's like sticking in there somewhere.

Frank Elaridi: [01:41:26] Yeah. And the next one we cleared just now was unworthy as well. So, that makes sense, because-

Luke Storey: [01:41:30] Totally.

Frank Elaridi: [01:41:31] ... teacher, you're learning from him, now, there might be the feeling of unworthiness. Can we clear more? Yeah. Column A, column B, odd row, even row. So, there's more. Two, four. Depression, frustration, indecisiveness, panic, taken—oh, taken for granted. Can we clear that?

Frank Elaridi: [01:41:44] Yeah. So, taken for granted, too. Yeah. Does that resonate at all, do you think?

Luke Storey: [01:41:49] Yeah, very much so.

Frank Elaridi: [01:41:50] Yeah. Can we clear more? Yeah. Column A, column B, odd row, even row, row two, row four, row six. Do you have anything with your liver or gallbladder by any chance?

Luke Storey: [01:42:00] Not that I'm aware of.

Frank Elaridi: [01:42:01] Okay. Because we keep going back to—like all these emotions, most of them are in that area of gallbladder, and then also, the sexual organs. Depression, frustration. Okay. Frustration. Do we need to know more? No. Can we clear it? Yeah. I'm not getting ages, because we already know it. I'm clearing all the events from that one incident, specifically. So, what did we just clear? Frustration. Can we clear more? Was that everything? Okay. So, that's everything. Yeah. Feeling unsupported—oh, sorry, not unsupported. Unworthy, yeah, taken for granted, frustration. Yeah.

Luke Storey: [01:42:31] So, the guy that came up with The Emotion Code and wrote the book, he created this chart, right?

Frank Elaridi: [01:42:36] Yeah.

Luke Storey: [01:42:36] So, I don't know if my camera will be able to pick it up, it's probably too far away. Yeah, put it over close to that camera. It's not going to focus in on it.

Frank Elaridi: [01:42:45] Yeah, no.

Luke Storey: [01:42:46] Well, we'll put it in the show notes, and people can check it out there. So, he developed this system with these different columns that you were referring to. And then, for people that are listening, not watching, of course, all these podcasts are videos, but when you're doing the muscle testing, you're doing like the ring test with your forefinger and your thumb to determine strong or not strong.

Frank Elaridi: [01:43:08] Yeah. So, weak and strong.

Luke Storey: [01:43:10] How long did it take you to be able to like accurately rely on self-muscle testing?

Frank Elaridi: [01:43:15] So, in the beginning of my journey, it was, like when I was talking about A Course in Miracles and all that, it was like 12 years ago, I was living with somebody who's like multi, multi, multimillionaire, and family. He's a family member. And he was muscle testing a lot in that moment. And he was muscle testing business decisions. So, like every major business deal, decision, contract, muscle test, muscle test.

And I, at the time, was like not really into spirituality. I was like, I'm going to be a journalist. I was in college and I was like, boom, right? Like that was my focus. And little by little, living with him, I would start like practicing, because he was a meditator. I mean, like 10 hours a day, eight hours a day. He was a serious meditator. He's not like that now.

He's like incorporated everything into his life, and he's still open and all that, but he's not like when I was living with him, that was his life. And so, he was muscle testing everything, and I started to believe in it, because he would be like, "Ask me what color your childhood room was", and stuff like that, and I'd be like, is it white, blue, or yellow? And he'd be like, "Oh, it's blue". And I was like, dang, yeah, you're right.

Like he kept getting it right. And I kept trying to trick him for two years and he like never—and that's how stubborn I was. Like that's how hard-headed. It took me like two years to finally be like, alright, fine, it's a thing. And so, I started meditating with him, I started a muscle testing, so I already kind of knew how to do it, but I didn't really incorporate it into my life.

When I started doing the certification for Emotion Code, I would say it took me like a month, so not that long, a month to like really accurately do it without fail, but about three to six months to I feel like do it and feel so confident about it. Like first, I would double-check myself so many times or I would like do that, and then I would do the sway test on top of it.

The sway test, so like you stand, for people who haven't heard, perfectly straight, and then you ask a question or you say something positive or negative. And if your body sways forward, it's true. If it sways backward, it's not true. So, like I would double check it. And then, more and more, I just—now, I'm just like [making sounds] A, B, C, D, okay, got it, it's D. [Making sounds] and like I'm so quick with it now, but it's just like practice, and doing it over, and over, and over.

Luke Storey: [01:45:31] I got to learn. It's been one of my unrealized goals, is to learn kinesiology, because I'm so into Hawkins work, and I'm just like, it's one of those things, I'm just like, oh, it seems like such an undertaking, so I never get around to starting it. But anytime I'm with someone that can do it, I'm like, ah, I can think of 10 things right now that I could have really used that for.

Frank Elaridi: [01:45:50] I always equated it to, because I didn't either until I got certified, same, like I would just ask him. I'd literally call my relative and be like, can you muscle test this for me? Because I thought of it as like kombucha. I'm like I can make kombucha at home, or I can just go to Whole Foods and get it. Do you know what I mean? Like why? Why learn if I could just hire somebody to do it?

Luke Storey: [01:46:08] Yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [01:46:09] But yeah, no, now, it's like my job, but I love it so much. I muscle test everything. Kat and Bryant for Modern Nirvana will call me and be like, muscle test, like should we do it or not? Like sometimes, that's literally the deciding factor over big decisions that we make, because like we'll all be like, we don't know which way to go. Okay. How about this? Okay. Yeah, it says yes.

Luke Storey: [01:46:28] Yeah, it's a valuable tool. It's definitely worth learning. And thanks for reminding me that it's on my bucket list. Maybe not bucket list, because that might be too long. How did these magnets play into? So, for those, again, that are just listening, when Frank was making those inquiries, you might have heard this tapping sound, he's rubbing the magnet like over his head. I mean, I guess you mentioned other people have been using magnets to create energy. Like how did he incorporate that or what is that doing?

Frank Elaridi: [01:46:57] I don't know how he specifically did. Again, I have been using magnets before even this practice. And who was it? Shaman Durek. I was on his podcast the first time like two years ago. And I mentioned, I was like, that was the time that you and I probably had dinner, and I was like telling everybody about this thing, because I'm like, you got to try it, it's incredible, it changed my life.

Like honestly, I would equate it to ayahuasca, and people who have done my sessions who have also worked with ayahuasca, as far as—the experience is not the same, but like what happens in your life after is very similar, because you're just clearing these traumas. And so, I don't know how he did it, but when I talked to Shaman Durek about it, he's like, "Oh, yeah, when we're clearing emotions or energy in shamanism", in his practice, "we use magnets".

So, I think that the magnet is a thing that to do it again, I went to this healer, this curandera in Mexico, and she was using magnets, so she would identify what was going on in the body, and then she would clear it with a magnet, and then leave the magnet on your body wherever it needed to do that. So, she was describing it to me in the very little Spanish that I know as like the whole universe is run on this magnetic energy. Everything is magnetic. And so, when you want to move the magnetic energy, just move it. You're doing it, you're clearing it with the magnet.

Luke Storey: [01:48:14] So dope.

Frank Elaridi: [01:48:15] Yeah, it's so awesome, because it seems so simple and trivial, but you should see the messages I get. It's insane. 

Luke Storey: [01:48:21] I bet. 

Frank Elaridi: [01:48:22] It's insane.

Luke Storey: [01:48:22] Well, if you think about like PEMF, right?

Frank Elaridi: [01:48:24] Yeah.

Luke Storey: [01:48:26] Like you put some pulsed magnetic field on your body and it does all kinds of crazy stuff.

Frank Elaridi: [01:48:31] It's my favorite biohack by far.

Luke Storey: [01:48:33] It is? 

Frank Elaridi: [01:48:33] That and red light.

Luke Storey: [01:48:34] Yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [01:48:35] By far.

Luke Storey: [01:48:37] Okay. So, in closing, tell us about, for those that didn't hear me talking about it and stuff, Modern Nirvana, like these conferences. I know you've got one that'll be kind of at some point in this year of 2022. So, you're doing this with your friend, Bryant, and with Kat Graham, who was on the show before the last event, so some people will be familiar with her. What is that event and where do you guys see this going? Because now, it's not only an event, but it's a brand, right? You've got a YouTube channel and you guys are making this thing that you described earlier.

Frank Elaridi: [01:49:06] Yeah. We have a publishing deal now with Chronicle Books, so probably- 

Luke Storey: [01:49:09] Oh, that's what Alyson's book's on.

Frank Elaridi: [01:49:10] No way.

Luke Storey: [01:49:11] Yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [01:49:11] Oh, nice. Are you serious?

Luke Storey: [01:49:12] It's Chronicle, yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [01:49:13] There must be some kind of synergy, then we should do something. But yeah, it's with Chronicle. It's an oracle deck and it'll be our first when it comes out in October. So, it'll be the first time that we have like our product at our conference. I think it'll be the first time we're selling it, too, the oracle deck is at our conference. And so, yeah, it started with Kat doing a show with Deepak Chopra.

And they had a show together called the Consciousness Collective. And there were eight episodes, I believe, eight or 12, and one of the episodes was all me and Deepak. And he was a different person featured in every episode, and ours was the future of consciousness, sort of like the youth spearheading his work and like taking on that torch, right? And so, they were like, they call me after our interview, and they say, "We need B-roll of you speaking at a conference or speaking to a group of people".

And they said like leading a meditation or something. And I was like, okay, but I didn't have any like recent stuff that was good quality that I liked. So, Bryant was at my house. We're sitting on my couch. And I was like, hey, we have to get this B-roll to them and they want it in like two weeks. And he was like, "Okay". So, I was like, let's put on an event. We'll just get like 30 friends—well, actually, Kat said, "Get like 30 friends, and just like talk, and shoot it". I'm like, okay. Literally, two weeks later, and you were at that conference, by the way, which is incredible. Remember?

Luke Storey: [01:50:31] That's the first day I met you.

Frank Elaridi: [01:50:32] With Shaman Durek.

Luke Storey: [01:50:32] Yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [01:50:32] That's the first time. Yeah. 

Luke Storey: [01:50:33] That's right, yeah. That was a really cool space, too. It's like down by UCLA.

Frank Elaridi: [01:50:38] Wasn't it amazing? Yeah.

Luke Storey: [01:50:38] Yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [01:50:39] It was the Art of Living, and they have like this gorgeous art deco, like I would love to do it there again, actually, just like LA makes it so hard right now for events, but really, LA would have been great for anything right now.

Luke Storey: [01:50:47] LA makes it hard for everything, I know. 

Frank Elaridi: [01:50:50] It's really hard to do anything.

Luke Storey: [01:50:51] God bless them.

Frank Elaridi: [01:50:52] Yeah. And I don't want to get into pandemic, they just lifted the mandate for masks. It'll be February 15th. 

Luke Storey: [01:50:59] Too late.

Frank Elaridi: [01:50:59] Yeah, but everybody left. But still, like it's still the risk of like we planned the whole thing, and then a week before, it gets shut down or something. So, we didn't want to risk it, so we're doing it in Austin. But we had two weeks to do it, 500 people came, and it was a free event, and we had like 10 vendors, incredible from like PEMF, like you just mentioned PEMF, there was BrainTap.

There was Bogavia Skincare, Bulletproof Upgrade Labs, just an incredible event for literally 10 days to put together, two weeks. And when that ended, the pandemic kind of like hit a few months later, and Kat calls, and she's like, "Hey", and Bryant was at my house again, and she was like, "That event was so successful". 500 people in two weeks. Literally, it was like three days before Halloween. These people could be anywhere.

They're all young. Like everybody was in their 30s, 20s, maybe 40s, right? Like really young, the majority of people. And we're like, Maybe this is a company. Maybe people need this. So, we put it together, and now, it's an annual conference, and it's just been incredible. At the last one, you spoke, Alyson spoke. We had Deepak Chopra. We gave him the Modern Nirvana Consciousness Award, and Dave Asprey of bulletproof Coffee was our keynote speaker.

And it was a great event and we want to do it again. We want to do it every year and maybe have different, incredible speakers. We're looking at like someone like Jessica Alba this year for The Honest Company and really revolutionizing products in the mainstream stores for kids. And like from what she created, there was so much other beauty brands that started to want to go more holistic and natural.

And then, maybe like a Tony Robbins or a Malala Yousafzai, like we all like now throw out these names of like who inspires you and who do you want to see honored, and incredible vendors, like, wow, I always think I know everything, and I've like learned everything, and I know every biohack, and then somebody will reach out, and be like, "Hey, we'd love to be at your conference", and it's this cool device, like Hapbee, which I know you know about. I didn't know anything about it until they were at our conference, and I'm like, whoa, this thing is incredible. Like there's always new things that I'm introduced to from our conference and getting to curate it.

Luke Storey: [01:53:16] Like Leela.

Frank Elaridi: [01:53:17]  Like Leela. Leela is our—thanks to you. Can I tell you a story? 

Luke Storey: [01:53:20] Leela Quantum. It's funny. We're both, when you were doing the reading, I was like, oh, this is funny, we're like Bobbsey twins with our little Leela Quantum capsules here.

Frank Elaridi: [01:53:27] I had to represent, whereas I knew you probably would be, but you, by the way, are a big part of me having this, and they're the sponsors for our conference this year, so we're really excited, because they changed me, Kat, and Bryant's life, and Kat is such a skeptic of everything I bring to her, and I can't tell you how it works, to the point where Kat, I delivered a Leela Bloc to her, and she was on her way out of the country, I can't remember where, South America maybe.

She was out of the country. And she was going to be gone. Oh, Greece. Greece, to shoot a documentary with refugees. She was going to be gone for like two weeks. And I accidentally sent it to her wrong house, not the one that she wanted it to be sent to. She's like, "Nobody's there". And I was like, well, I don't think they can reroute, but I'll try. She's like, "Well, maybe I can get to the other house, but like can you put it in the Bloc right now? Like right in the Bloc that I get it in the next 10 minutes at this house."

And I'm like, okay. So, I write it in, and she's like on her way to the airport, she needs to leave now. I write it in. I'm like, I don't know how it's going to work, but I put it in. And she calls me two minutes later, she's like, "It just got here. I just got the Bloc." nd like literally, it's like the way it works, we're just like, how? But for people who don't know, it's this quantum device where you put your intentions in there, and the way I got it is I have a client, who she came to me from—I was speaking at the biohacking conference. I did a live healing for so many people, literally people. It wasn't like ours just was so mellow, and people might be watching it, and thinking every session is like that, but you were having the kundalini experience at another one, people on stage were bawling their eyes out.

They were like, I mean, I was going to ages that they were like, that's the year this happened or whatever, and it was exactly what they were there to clear. And they were just in tears on stage. So, because of that, of course, so many people wanted to know it was about and I got clients. One of them, she told me, and she was such a gift for telling me this, she goes, "Your session at the conference", because I did one for her on on stage, "Your session", which, yeah, now, we can talk about that, because it was on camera, on stage.

She also said, "The second most important thing that I had at that conference was Leela", like introduction to Leela. And I said, what is that? Because I didn't have a chance to explore at the conference, like barely, because I was just doing sessions the whole time. So, I was like, what's Leela? And she goes, "Let me, instead of telling you about it, let me put your picture in it, send me some of your DNA." So, I literally sent her some of my hair, and she put it on my picture, and put it in the Bloc. Luke, I tell you, I had to call her and ask her to take it out within two days, because it was too intense, I couldn't sleep at night.

Luke Storey: [01:55:57] Really?

Frank Elaridi: [01:55:58] And I literally did not—I was like rolling my eyes. I'm like you, where I'm a skeptic at everything, even though I've experienced so—I mean, I literally traveled the world and saw blind people see, you know what I mean? Like I've seen everything.  went to Germany. There was a girl who put a key like this, and she would go like this, and it would just start spinning in her hand. Like I've seen everything. And I still am so skeptical and think everybody's trying to BS me in some way, right?

So, I'm like, yeah, put my photo in there, whatever. I couldn't even sleep. It was like a roller coaster ride. And so, one thing that happened is I had friends visiting from England and I flew to California to take them to Disneyland. So, I take them to Disneyland. On the drive there, and my picture is still in the Bloc at this point, I have this dream in general, in life that in the next three to five years, I'm going to buy a castle in France, and I'm going to renovate it, and I'm just going to spend my life renovating it, and that'll be my new YouTube channel.

Luke Storey: [01:56:47] Be careful what you wish for, as a renovation.

Frank Elaridi: [01:56:49] I know, I know. That's why when you were talking, I was like [making sounds].

Luke Storey: [01:56:51] I don't know. Maybe in-

Frank Elaridi: [01:56:54] No. Dealing with Europeans is worse. Trust me. They'll just be like, "I'm out of the office for the next three months, like deal with it". But whatever, it's a dream that I have, and I really want to buy this like 20-bedroom castle in France, and just renovate it, and have retreats there, and stuff like that. And so, this girl that's driving with me knows that that's one of my goals. And she goes, "Frank", and she lives in England, so they're all very European, they take a train anywhere, it's so easy there.

And so, she's like, "Have you thought about Italy?" And she says, "It's so much better. It's easier. The laws are easier. It's just like the cultural, it's more similar to like", I'm Mediterranean, so like for me, it's just more similar in culture to be at an Italian place than a French place. And so, she's like trying to convince me now to move the whole dream to Italy. As we're having that conversation, I get a text from a friend in Malibu, who I met actually in an ayahuasca ceremony, and she goes, "We just got our European citizenship.

We're buying a chateau in Italy. Let's rendezvous there." Literally, as I'm having this conversation, why would that happen? Why would that happen? So, immediately, I'm like, oh, my God, freaking Luke, because you had just that morning also posted a picture of yourself holding it. And so, I'm like, I need to talk to him about this. I get to my Instagram to talk to you about it, like I was going to send you a message about it, and I have a message from Leela asking me if I want a Quantum thing, a Bloc, an Infinity Bloc, all this is happening, and I'm like, what is happening?

But like you know how this is, like these are just things that happen when you're working with this field. And so, I can't even imagine, like there's nothing more Modern Nirvana, like this screams Modern Nirvana, is the Leela Quantum, so I can't wait to just like really go full-on and show people what this is about. And Kat's like all in and Bryant's all in. They're the perfect partner for us.

Luke Storey: [01:58:45] That's so great. They're really great people, too. Phillip has been on the show twice, and I think he's coming back here in a month or two. Yeah, great people. I'm really glad. I love when beautiful people align and join forces. That's super cool.

Frank Elaridi: [01:58:57] Yeah. I almost feel like he wanted something like this, and he attracted it, and we wanted something like that, like we wanted that perfect partner and he wanted that perfect opportunity, and I feel like, somehow, our intentions merged. Every time I talk to him, I feel like that, because he's so aligned that I almost can't believe it. I almost can't believe it, because everything you say, he's like, "That's exactly what we want", and I'm like, what?

Luke Storey: [01:59:18] Well, imagine when you think about like a corporate sponsor, right? You're like Mountain Dew. Like what? How do you align with?

Frank Elaridi: [01:59:25] No, we can't do that.

Luke Storey: [01:59:25] How do you align with an intentional brand like that? You need people that are in the same zone.

Frank Elaridi: [01:59:31] Yeah, exactly.

Luke Storey: [01:59:32] Super cool. Alright. Last question. Who have been three teachers or teachings that have influenced your life and your work that you might share with us?

Frank Elaridi: [01:59:40] Okay. The first three just popped into my head, so I'm going to say them. 

Luke Storey: [01:59:44] Good. 

Frank Elaridi: [01:59:45] A Course in Miracles, which we talked about, right? That's the foundation. It's a beautiful work. I would say A Course in Miracles. And for anybody who hasn't heard of it, A Course in Miracles is a book and a workbook, right? So, you can do the reading or just do the lessons. And it's one lesson a day. It's not that bad. The other one is another book. And actually, I met Wayne Dyer. I was supposed to write a book for Hay House like eight years ago, and I was still in college, and it fell through.

The whole thing fell through, but what they did is they wanted me to meet their authors, and they invited me to—they had an event, a yearly conference, I think yearly, it was called, I Can Do It, and it's this big Hay House, I Can Do It. And they introduced me to Wayne Dyer. And Wayne Dyer is talking about this book and it's called the Vasistha's Yoga. And he says, "I think I've transcended".

He's like, "I only read two to three pages a day, and then I put it away and I just contemplate it, because it's just mind-bending." The book is mind-bending. It really is. It's so trippy. And he's like, "But I think I've transcended". He's like, "I think this is it". And a few months later, he died. A few months later after that, he died. And that book has been, I'm only, like how you are with A Course in Miracles, I'm like that with Vasistha's.

I've had it for like eight years now, and I've read it, I've probably not even halfway through, because I pick it up every literally like four months, and read like three pages. But I will say, when I first got it, I hugged it, I literally hugged it, because I just knew in my heart that I was supposed to have this book, and I put it on my nightstand, and I went to bed, and it's the first and only time I've ever had sleep paralysis, but I woke up in the middle of the night and I couldn't move anything, just only my eyes were open, and I remember being like, oh, my God, I can't move my body, and I was like, terrified, but I go, I am Brahma, I am Brahma, I am Brahma, and I fell back asleep.

I had never even heard the word Brahma, literally. And as I start reading the book the next day, I was like on the first chapter, one of the lessons, it was like a dad, or a king, or something, he's talking to his three sons, and he says, "If you contemplate nothing else, contemplate I am Brahma". I mean, like it's so powerful, but I knew I was supposed to have that book. And it, still to this day, has never left my nightstand.

If I travel, I take it. It's on my nightstand. So, that's the second. And then, the third would be this man named Dr. Pankaj Naram, who died in 2020. He was an incredible teacher and he was on my YouTube channel. I made a couple of videos with him. They had millions of views, and he was this holistic Ayurvedic doctor, who, he would take your pulse and he would tell you everything that's going on in your body.

He literally would be like, "Oh, yeah, your lung, blah, blah, blah". One time, it was something so small, like he would tell me, he's like, "You have a something disc", whatever it's called when the disc is a little off in your spine, and he was like, and it's disc D5 or whatever, like he told me which one it was from my pulse. I got an x-ray and he was right. And I showed it in the video, like it was like literally a slipped disc, and it was like the one that he said it was.

And so, I mean, he was incredible, but he was actually a teacher or a healer for Mother Teresa, Nelson Mandela, the Dalai Lama, like incredible people, his videos and pictures with them doing pulse healing on them. He's incredible. And he would literally, sometimes, I'd be afraid of like something I was going through and I'd call him in India, and from my voice, he would tell me whether I had that diagnosis or not. He's like, "No, no, you're fine".

He's like, "It's just this. Take some ghee, put some nutmeg, rub it on your nostrils, and you'll be fine". Like he was like that. It was incredible. And he's come to me in an ayahuasca ceremony. He's come to me before and said, "Tell my son this, like give him this message for me", and I would call his son in India and say, hey, your dad wants you to know so and so, and he'd be like, "Thank you so much for this". But really incredible guy, Dr. Naram, N-A-R-A-M. So, yeah, I would say he was one of them, just wow, remarkable.

Luke Storey: [02:03:32] Cool. Thank you for sharing that.

Frank Elaridi: [02:03:33] Yeah, of course. Thanks for asking.

Luke Storey: [02:03:34] Yeah. Wow. You have such a charmed life. So many interesting experiences.

Frank Elaridi: [02:03:40] Thank you. Yes. 

Luke Storey: [02:03:41] It's easier to see someone else's charmed life than your own, because-

Frank Elaridi: [02:03:43] I'm thinking the same about you.

Luke Storey: [02:03:45] I've had a lot of crazy experiences, woo, but I'm like, whoa, dude.

Frank Elaridi: [02:03:48] It's a roller coaster ride, isn't it? It's insane.

Luke Storey: [02:03:50] I knew this is going to be a fun one. I'm glad we finally got her done. Last thing is where can people find you on social, websites, stuff like that?

Frank Elaridi: [02:03:57] Yeah. Website's probably easy. It's frankelaridi.com. So, frank-E-L-A-R-I-D-I-.com. And that's where people book sessions, too-

Luke Storey: [02:04:05] Oh, cool.

Frank Elaridi: [02:04:05] ... if they want to do a healing. 

Luke Storey: [02:04:07] Cool. So, someone can do this remotely with you.

Frank Elaridi: [02:04:09] Oh, yeah, most of my clients are remote.

Luke Storey: [02:04:10] Cool.

Frank Elaridi: [02:04:11] Yeah. Most of them are like Zoom sessions, yeah.

Luke Storey: [02:04:14] Yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [02:04:14] And then, on social, I'm only on Instagram, which is F like Frank-Elaridi, @FElaridi. And then, our YouTube channel is Modern Nirvana. And that's where you can watch all this trippy stuff we're talking about.

Luke Storey: [02:04:26] Yeah, that's where I was watching the third eye video and stuff.

Frank Elaridi: [02:04:28] The third eye stuff, yeah. So, there's actually a third eye playlist on the Modern Nirvana YouTube channel, so yeah.

Luke Storey: [02:04:33] Yeah, fascinating stuff. Super cool. Well, thanks for joining me, dude.

Frank Elaridi: [02:04:35] Thank you, Luke. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Luke Storey: [02:04:37] Yeah.

Frank Elaridi: [02:04:38] Thanks.

Luke Storey: [02:04:38] And move to Austin.

Frank Elaridi: [02:04:39] Yeah, we'll see.

Luke Storey: [02:04:41] No, Dallas is close.

Frank Elaridi: [02:04:42] The conference, conference will be in Austin.

Luke Storey: [02:04:44] Yeah, it's good enough. Good enough. Fair enough. Fair enough. Alright. Thanks, brother.

Frank Elaridi: [02:04:47] Thanks, brother. Appreciate it.

Luke Storey: [02:04:48] Yeah.

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