[00:00:01] Luke: What was it like being a celebrity yoga instructor in Los Angeles?

[00:00:06] Adam: Oh, that's good. You got me on a first question. Okay, I'll tell you how it worked. So I played college football. I was a Big Ten linebacker, and I was a scholarship athlete. But by Big Ten standards, all the things that made me an average college linebacker, I had 19 tackles against Ohio State, so I had one moment of glory.

[00:00:25] Besides that, I was pretty perennial second string. I think I had six or seven starts over my four years. But by Big Ten standards, I was slow, weak, Jewish, funny, and very flexible. So when I moved to Los Angeles, those are all the things that made me an incredible yoga teacher.

[00:00:42] Luke: Totally.

[00:00:43] Adam: So I was really busted up, injured, and I was living in New York City. I was 24. My back was going out all the time, like bad going out, like bedridden, and it was affecting everything. I'm like, "What's going to happen when I'm 44?" So this was 1993, before the yoga craze had hit. I walked into a yoga studio, and I was like, "Oh, this is fucking great." And started practicing yoga. Moved to LA.

[00:01:09] There was a guy from Texas who created this style called Anusara, this guy named John Friend. I caught the wave of that, and he had just released his first wave of instructors. And Anusara yoga is this very specific biomechanical type of yoga. It still can be very vigorous, playful, and fun, but as an athlete, to hit all the points, it's amazing for injury recovery.

[00:01:31] So I took to it. I've always been thick my whole life. I'm just like, linebacker, still thick, but I got down to 6% body fat at one point in my life. And that's when I was really into yoga. And everybody kept coming up for me because I can do splits. I can do splits anywhere, anytime, pants permitting. Still. And so everybody started coming up to me because I was so impressive. I was 6 foot 3, 220 pounds at 6% body fat. And I'm doing splits in yoga class. And everybody's like, "Can you teach? Can you teach?" And I'm like. "Yeah, sure. Why not?" Totally faking it.

[00:02:03] So I then went on and got the teacher training with Anusara yoga and so forth. But I had been captain of all my football teams growing up, high school athlete, all that type A kind of stuff. And then with the sense of humor, like I would kill people. But it would be fun and funny, and word spread.

[00:02:23] And before you know it, like yoga mats were packed. I think maybe some of the people we might even have in comedy. Remember Gurmukh from Golden Bridge? She used to secretly sneak out and come to the YMCA and come to my class all the time, and it just took off.

[00:02:35] And then one day, this English guy walked into class. The Hollywood Y, during that time, early 2000, it was some magical place, man. It was the best gym in LA. It was so real and so cool, and there was families, hipsters, and celebrity. Everything just worked.

[00:02:53] Luke: The YMCA?

[00:02:55] Adam: The Hollywood YMCA.

[00:02:56] Luke: Is it on Selma, off Hollywood Boulevard?

[00:02:59] Adam: Yeah.

[00:02:59] Luke: It's funny.

[00:03:00] Adam: Not too far from one of the scientology centers.

[00:03:02] Luke: Yeah. That's funny. I lived right near there, and I had no idea anything was happening.

[00:03:06] Adam: Dude, it was the best yoga, and all the Anusara teachers started going there. And then I taught this incredibly vigorous style of yoga too, but it still had spiritual connotation and so forth. I'm a son of a rabbi as well too, so I can weave in spiritual messaging. And then I was bringing in music. It was just magical.

[00:03:25] And then one day, this British guy comes in, and he's like, "Oh, I like your class. I want you to meet my friend one day." I'm like, "Okay, fine. Who's your friend?" And Neil Orlando Bloom comes in, and then like, "Oh, you got to meet my girlfriend, wife." And then Miranda Kerr is there.

[00:03:38] And then all of a sudden I hit a lick. So then I'm teaching celebrity yoga. My main breadwinners at the time was all the showrunners and main producers of the Bachelor Bachelorette. And that spread from there. So I had a lot of executives, some celebrities, and it was totally unintended career, completely accidental. But it worked for a while. It was a lot of fun.

[00:04:03] Luke: Do you still practice on your own?

[00:04:05] Adam: So it's funny. As I've gotten older and more macho and the left is now the right and the right's the left, and the whole world is so goddamn crazy, I really like lifting weights again. Because after I played college football, I didn't want to look at a weight. So I love the teaching yoga and the healing and practicing yoga. So I do, and now I have to habit stack with everything I do because I've got two kids and my wife, and I'm a very committed dad, and both my boys are super athletes.

[00:04:31] So literally, I've got 26 hours a week of just driving back and forth to practices, trainings, and so forth. And that's exclusive of games on the weekend. So if we're playing in Dallas or a couple of hours away, I could be 25 to 35 hours a week on just kids in sports. So I have to habit stack.

[00:04:48] So I tend to lift weights now in these very interesting dumbbell integrative, kinesthetic workouts that are always combining multiple muscles and these kinesthetic movements. And that's really the thing that's got me very interested right now. But I still stretch. I still do some yoga.

[00:05:03] I'll do yoga in the sauna a couple of times a week. Whenever I sauna, I'm always stretching in there. I'm being completely honest. In terms of like sat down to a hardcore 60, 90 minute practice, it's literally been years.

[00:05:15] Luke: I ask because I used to do a lot of yoga, all different types for long time. It's just not something I'm going to do on my own much. If I go to a class, I'm oh "God, I got to do this all the time." But it's been years, and I haven't done an official yoga class since I moved to Texas. And I was in an event a few days ago and-- do you know Eben?

[00:05:37] Adam: Yeah.

[00:05:37] Luke: Yeah. You know Eben. So Eben Flow with Jared and his Be Here Farms. And so I was on my way with Alyson, and we're like, "Oh man." There's a yoga class, but we're bombed. I was like, "If we don't like it, we'll just go take a walk." Just because I haven't done it in so long, and she's just never been a huge yoga person.

[00:05:56] And dude, halfway through that class I was like, "I should be doing this every day." He's a great teacher, but it just felt so good. And then I was like, "When I get home, I'm going to look up a studio and start going." And I came home. I was like, "That was nice." And I never did.

[00:06:12] But it's something I miss. But I think with any kind of physical regimen like that, for some of us it's more difficult if there isn't a guide, a teacher, a coach, a class. I'm going to do the bare minimum on my own. And speaking of your sauna, I got to come over and try the wood-fired barrel sauna.

[00:06:34] Adam: Yeah. I don't know if the thermometer's accurate because it'll literally get up to 220, but that's excruciating. With the location of the wood burning stove and then where the thermometer is, 175 to 185 is a real sweet spot. You can do long. You can be in there for a long time. 190, 195, it's brutal. Very effective. But we have the cold plunge right outside, so you contrast, go back and forth. It's great.

[00:07:01] Luke: I want to do it because I've been toying with the idea of getting a wood-fired barrel sauna versus the electric one, just because, I don't know, radiant infrared heat from fire is so much cooler than EMF-laden electrical heater fire.

[00:07:15] Adam: So the thing is, if you have a partner, kids in your life who-- the thing with the wood-fired sauna is I can't be driving home, be like, "Hey, honey, load the sauna, light it with the blow, torch and I'll be home at 45 minutes." If you have an electric, "Hey, honey, can you turn this on for me?" "Sure." It's on. It's a process.

[00:07:33] But that's also very nice. It's a ritual. So I sauna less, but it has real meaning. And when friends come over, they feel that meaning, like, "Oh, you had to stoke this fire. You had to chop this wood. You had to collect this wood." So the ceremonial and ritual aspects of it are much higher.

[00:07:51] It's not as perfunctory. It's more ceremonial. You'll use it less, but it'll have more meaning when you use it. And I do feel, having sauna for a lot in my life, because I used to go to the 10th Street Bathhouse in New York City back in the day, that place is incredible, super cool.

[00:08:09] Luke: Is that the one on the lower East side?

[00:08:11] Adam: Yeah, yeah. The Russian & Turkish bathhouse?

[00:08:13] Luke: Yeah.

[00:08:14] Adam: Yeah. On East 10th Street.

[00:08:15] Luke: Yeah. I used to go there too.

[00:08:18] Adam: Yeah. I also lived in New York City at a time where that place was magical because it had just done being a gay scene. It had come back to being like really community-oriented. So it was like everybody was there: hipsters, Orthodox Jews, Arabs, straight, gay, every color. Super cool. Everybody's walking around. Those [Inaudible] that give you those shorts to go in. And the Russian Radiant heat room there was quite extraordinary. So I've been all in all different kinds of saunas, but the quality of heat from a wood fire is quite extraordinary. That's quite something.

[00:08:50] Luke: I agree. You just reminded me. Last time I was at that spot-- I'm pretty heat tolerant. I've been doing saunas since I was a little kid. And I was like, "I'm going to go in the badass one." I don't remember how hot it was.

[00:09:02] Adam: It's 220. It's the Russian Radiant heat room.

[00:09:02] Luke: It melted the skin off my ears. I came out and I was like, "What is that?" I'm like, "Oh, that's skin."

[00:09:07] Adam: Did you do platza or AVE NIK with the oak leaves in there?

[00:09:11] Luke: No, no. I was just chilling in there. But I went in and it was empty, and the rest of the place was packed. And I thought, "Ah, I guess they can't handle it." And I thought I was tough, and I learned real quick.

[00:09:20] All right. So how did these revelations, such as the plandemic and Epstein Island influence your worldview? What's changed for you over the past couple years with a lot of this darkness coming to light?

[00:09:39] Adam: It's interesting. We're friends, and in order to prepare properly for a podcast, especially like a good one, that really means something-- if you're a brand as well. I've been binging and I've been watching your podcasts, and it's really interesting because it's like there's so many wise people on the show, but I can always tell who has children and who maybe doesn't have children.

[00:10:05] And you can process the duality of the world, and you can process the trauma. I studied yoga. I studied a little bit when I was doing my yoga teacher training, the Vedas, and the main conversation of yoga that takes place, the different yoga sutras and so forth.

[00:10:31] But once you have children, the significance of what's happening, it's so much more real to you. It's the philosophy and things that you study. Because look, I've worked very hard as a parent. My wife has worked very hard as a parent. I don't know if I'm necessarily great at anything, but I think my parenting is really committed and really good.

[00:10:59] My wife and I, we have a great relationship. We love each other. We really love our kids. We attend to our kids. And so I used to view conspiracy if there was two different cylinders. I was privy to 9/11. I had just left New York City after 9/11 happened, and that just never made any sense to me.

[00:11:19] I tell you people like, "Let's not even talk about the two towers, but like building 7, how do you explain that?" It cannot be explained unless there was a conspiracy involved. Because 250 million tons of steel don't implode perfectly in a demolition-like ex implosion from a fire burning a half a mile away at temperatures that aren't even close to what it takes to melt steel.

[00:11:44] You don't have to be a genius to realize something's wrong here. So I've been highly conspiratorial and skeptical about what's going on in the world. But I always used to have this theory of what I called confluence. So my shitty, terrible, greedy idea meets your shitty, terrible, greedy idea at some Bilderberg, some bizarre kind of druid-like ritual. And we're like, "Hey, we can make an even bigger shittier, more greedy idea." And that's the theory of confluence.

[00:12:14] The other theory is single origin point that either one or many single origin points that are orchestrating this kind of evil and so forth that's happening in the world. And with 9/11 and everything else, I'd be like, "You know what? I know about the single origin points, Illuminati, ancient blood, and all these things, the lineage, black nobility, blah, blah, blah. But no, I think it's a theory of confluence, shitty greedy ideas."

[00:12:42] But when COVID hit and over 200 nations of the world all ascribe to a fallacy and what's very obviously a fallacy-- look, you don't have to be a genius to smell bullshit on COVID. You really don't. Suddenly you're going to trust the pharmaceutical industry? Suddenly you're going to trust the CDC? Do you not know anything about Fauci and his history with AZT and AIDS and that whole history?

[00:13:12] You are telling me that a civet cat took a shit on a bat or a bat took a shit on a civet cat, and suddenly the whole world is closed down and dying and under these terrible straits, but three miles away there's an Institute of Virology that just happens to be studying a similar Coronavirus that's 99.7% similar to the one that's been suddenly released upon the world?

[00:13:37] It didn't have to be that smart. You just had to have a little bit of your frontal lobe being open, being honest, and being perceptive. So when COVID hit, I was like, "This is really being centrally organized." And when you realize that something like this is being centrally organized, it's terrifying in its implications, because it changes your definition of what conspiracy means, and it changes your definition of how many people are willing to, not only believe and engage this but to participate in it, to be active participants in it.

[00:14:19] So that was one thing. And that hit at the same time as Epstein's Island. My kids better not see this. They're going to be like, "Dad, you promised you wouldn't talk about this stuff, and here you go." There's a few things that I think define us as human beings, and it's almost by things that you don't do.

[00:14:40] So children have to be sacred. You don't fuck children. It's the worst thing in the world. You ruin their lives. You ruin them generationally. Children have to be sacred. And the other thing to define a human being in my context is blood, our shared sanguinity, our shared blood.

[00:15:00] So when you simultaneously have the realization that there literally is a place where the global elites go to engage in terrible things with children, underage girls and children and so forth, and that so many governments of the world and agencies of the world participate that and then leverage that for their own advantage, that seems non-human to me. That seems something other than human.

[00:15:26] And that there are organizations and individual out there that have corrupted blood in perpetuity. I don't want to freak people out there. There's protocols that you can do to cleanse your blood. There's enzymes and so forth. And we can push into that space a little bit too because I don't want to be too much into the space of desperation.

[00:15:48] But when you realize that there are individuals out there, organizations out there, institutions out there that knowingly, permanently corrupted human blood, if you got that vaccine in you, I'm sorry to tell you, you are not necessarily human anymore. Something has been altered.

[00:16:06] Your sacred DNA, your sacred blood has been altered. So that's no longer the same blood that human beings have had in time immemorial. Your blood is something different. So when you understand the enormity of that, that there's places where groups and individuals go to fuck children and that there's individuals, organizations that would corrupt human blood, so that organ donation, blood donation, it's never the same anymore.

[00:16:37] And then not to mention what they've done to your own DNA and that they created these things so that they can have genetic transference through saliva, through the sexual juices. I have a handsome teenage boy, two of them. So now I'm a parent. Who's my kid going to kiss for the first time? And what are the implications of that?

[00:17:04] When we were growing up, STDs and things like that, but you never thought that by kissing somebody you might become non-human, or something other than human. So it's totally fucked me up. My whole worldview has shifted because the things that I define as human being, the protection and preservation of children, the sanctity of children, the sanctity of our shared blood, that those were intentionally corrupted, it blows your mind, and it's devastating.

[00:17:37] Luke: It's hard to fathom, I think, for many of us the existence of that degree of evil.

[00:17:46] Adam: Of evil.

[00:17:47] Luke: It's just like, who wants to admit that or acknowledge that and face it? And I think there's probably something to be said for just living your best life and ignoring all of it too because it is a slippery slope. We're wired to have an awareness of what's going on and be aware of anything that's threatening our life or most certainly the lives of our children if we have them.

[00:18:10] So it's a bit of a slippery slope for me to keep an awareness about it without getting upset. But it's also, I think, a healthy shadow work for us to pull our head out of the sand and go, "Hmm." I'm sure there's people listening to what you just described, and you're going, "Oh my God, that's too hardcore. He's crazy." Or whatever.

[00:18:34] And maybe not that many people listening to this podcast, but take your average person. It's like that cognitive dissonance that, well, how can there be so much good in the world, and how do I reconcile it that with this level of evil that is not only so evil, but as you said, there's so many forces coming together and collaborating to do more evil. You know what I mean?

[00:18:59] It's not like your random serial killer that we all go, "Okay, that's bad, bad person. They're dark." But you have large groups of people that are in significant positions of power that are as evil as a serial killer. It's a lot to take in.

[00:19:15] Adam: It's a lot to take in.

[00:19:16] Luke: Yeah. But if we don't, then who's going to stop it?

[00:19:18] Adam: I do this respectfully because I don't want to parent other people's kids. It's just not appropriate to do. Just when we talk about sauna, I'm not some fruitcake, I don't sauna naked or anything like that. Everybody wears shorts. It's respectful. So just take that off the table. But my son's friends, they really like coming over for sauna night because it's fun. You sauna. You sweat.

[00:19:49] It's ancient. It has this sacredness to it. It's a rite of passage in a way. Friends get together, or men get together, or men and their sons get together, and you do this-- it feels ancestrally attuned that you have these rituals.

[00:20:04] We live in such a time and age where we're so depleted of ritual, so the sauna is a ritual for my family and then some of our friends. And then the kids, some of my son's friends come over. But as a parent, and also from the sake of these young people, you have to understand the necessity of biological preservation.

[00:20:29] The number one responsibility of a parent in this day and age in my feeling is biological preservation. Because the institutions of this world right now, unfortunately, they want to claim your kids' biology. They want that biology. They want to corrupt it from literally the womb, and then they want to own it through all time.

[00:20:48] Because then they've got you cradle to grave. And that, through the foods, through the air, through the water, through the chemtrails, through the glyphosate pesticides, through the one that denatures, the Alex Jones atrazine pesticide, which denatures, which changes your level of hormones and tends to feminize boys and makes girls a little more masculine through the phthalates and the microbeading, wearing polyester clothing and the microbeading in makeups and then fragrance.

[00:21:25] All these kids wearing cologne these days, and then when they're drinking the Gatorade with the food coloring. All these neurotoxins, they're all biological contaminants, and they all denature our children. So parents have to become aware of this. Children have to become aware of this.

[00:21:42] And for me, my number one priority, part of the thing about the COVID that's made me so crazy, the only area of parenting I think I'm really successful at is the biological preservation. I've made over 10 years of schooling. My kids have never had a school lunch. I make lunch every day. I think I've made a mistake twice. I've missed it. Something happened, blah, blah, blah. I zoned out.

[00:22:06] But my kids have never had a school lunch. And so when somebody else is after my kids' biology like that to alter them, to change and so forth, that's a really important role for being a parent these days. Because look, you are totally fucked up from, what? I think when I've listened to your podcast, you started drug use at 13 all the way through 27 or 29.

[00:22:33] Luke: Nine, 10 years old. Yeah.

[00:22:35] Adam: 10 years old. So we're friends outside of this as well in a little bit through the men's group and everything. And you are an extraordinary human being. I haven't met your wife, but you got a healthy relationship. You got a great home. You're the first one I've met who was fucked up from 10, but I know a lot of people who from 15 to 27 were totally fucked up, and they're millionaires, multimillionaires, super successful, creative, fun, engaged, loving, regardless of the financial success. They got their lives together.

[00:23:07] But if your biology gets altered, that's a whole different story. That's a whole different story. So the thing with COVID and what was so overwhelming about the whole COVID thing was the altering of our human biology and just what that means as a parent. And then also from the genetic transference through saliva and other means, changes everything. Does your kid do jiujitsu anymore? Because he's grappling with somebody with sweat.

[00:23:37] I had an instant when I was playing football against the University of Iowa where there was a huge 330 pound offensive tackle. And I took him head on one time on a play, shoulder pad to shoulder pad, and so much sweat came off his body. It was like a spitting cobra. It got my eyes, it got my mouth, and literally, I got stunned. And then he got under me, and I got pancaked. It was on the highlight reel for unit for Iowa for years probably.

[00:24:04] It was like a spitting Cobra. There was so much genetic material from him that got into my eyes, into my mouth, everywhere, and it was sour and terrible. I've never forgot it, man. But that's a whole different story now. It was just sweat back then. Now it's got viral components and spike protein components, graphene oxide components. So many things are engineered into that.

[00:24:29] So as a parent, it's overwhelming and mind boggling. I think the fundamental responsibility of parenting these days is to understand the importance of protecting and preserving your kids' biology. Just get them out of the house with a healthy biology and education on that.

[00:24:49] Luke: Yeah. That's a low bar to set if you just start there. Forget about instilling values and making sure they get an education, but yeah, I agree. Obviously, you want your offspring to carry on and live and prosper and make more offspring of their own. We're just wired that way. I don't know, all of that stuff to me, as I said, it's a balancing beam of how much energy am I going to put into understanding the big picture and what's going on in the world, especially the things over which I have no control that are just going to freak me out.

[00:25:28] So I take my conspiracy information in doses, and I try to balance that out with higher levels of truth above and beyond that. Because I get caught up in the duality, and then it starts to get very scary and real. Or I just get pissed off and then I have to listen to different podcasts or read different books and remind myself that there's a big picture here about which I have very little understanding where we're going to be in 20 years. Maybe the past four years were the best thing that ever happened because it woke up the entire planet and everyone finally said, "Fuck this. We're done. We've had enough of you parasites. We're getting rid of this whole system." Yeah.

[00:26:12] Adam: Do you have any kind of practice that you do to recenter yourself or to come to terms with the world as it is? You have a very nuanced and sophisticated understanding of the totality of what's going on. Just the questions that you asked Alex Jones was like a masterclass.

[00:26:30] Luke: That was fun.

[00:26:31] Adam: Yeah. But it was fantastically done.

[00:26:34] Luke: Thanks.

[00:26:34] Adam: Do you do any practices to get yourself centered and to--

[00:26:42] Luke: What I do is do my best to have a living conscious contact with God. Just an awareness as we sit in the room, and Jarrod sits over there, and we have these microphones on. I'm not perfect at it. That's what makes it fun and interesting, because it's challenging. But I stay in touch with that part of myself that is eternal and with that thing here, out there, everywhere that is eternal.

[00:27:13] And so it's a living prayer or a living meditation. But in order to do that with some consistency, I've spent almost three decades very committed to my meditation and other practices where I shut the parts of the world that are less real out and dive deeply into what is real.

[00:27:42] So when I come back into the world and I'm in my body and operating through the persona that they call Luke Storey and so on, there's still a toe in the water of that greater reality. And those are the things when I open my Telegram channel and follow those accounts, and my humanness goes like, "Oh my God, we're so screwed," that they're--

[00:28:01] Adam: We both follow David Avocado Wolfe, and that shit's addictive, man.

[00:28:05] Luke: It is.

[00:28:05] Adam: He's so good. He is got that dialed in.

[00:28:08] Luke: It is, yeah. Yeah. The Avocado Wolf Telegram channel is not for the fainted heart. So yeah, it's a reminding of myself and a remembering that there's so much more to this reality than my senses allow for. The spectrum of visible light is all we've got to work with. And there's so much more to this reality outside of that.

[00:28:31] And so I try to remind myself of that. And also, I can feel my nervous system when I start putting too much energy into the negativity and falling for the belief that if I just learn more about what the bad guys are up to, that I'm going to have some way to affect change or stop them when I don't.

[00:28:56] The way that stops them is being aware of that eternal part of myself or my true self. And seeing that in you and everyone with whom I interact to see the God in them and to see the God in myself, and that's as close as I can get to what's real. And even though it seems like it could be, I don't know, a passive way to deal with all of the darkness, I think that it is the way through it. Because these forces that are anti-human and anti-life can't penetrate that level of awareness. That's the thing that evil is against, is us being embodied in who we really are.

[00:29:42] Adam: It's interesting because I agree very much what you're saying. Before having kids and as a yoga teacher and so forth, I could compartmentalize the evil of the world. I could process it. I could see it as the play of consciousness and the duality of this world and so forth.

[00:30:04] But once you have kids, it's much more personal. And I've been so angry of late. I get so angry. I was thinking to myself like, "What can I do?" The dopamine hit, the going to the channel, being more aware of all the craziness of the world, I'm not affecting it.

[00:30:22] So I completely recommitted to my prayer process. I had a mystical experience with an Indian swami, with an Indian guru in 1999, 2000. I was going out with a woman in LA at the time, and she had gotten involved in Siddha Yoga, S-I-D-D-H-A, which is a guru-led devotional style of yoga. It's not a movement style of yoga.

[00:30:49] And she was disappearing on our relationship. She was at the temple that they had there in LA all the time. She's never around. I'm like, "What's going on?" Her relationship's falling apart. And she's like, "Please come to this--" She got me a ticket to the Christmas 2000 New Year's retreat somewhere in the dregs of Orange County. I'm like, "This is the last place I want to be for New Year's 2000, but, okay, fine."

[00:31:18] So I'm in a room with about 4,000 people, men on one side, women on the other. And we're chanting, om namah shivaya. So the men say, om namah shivaya. The women's say, om namah shivaya. Literally means I honor the light of the indwelling Lord. We're chanting back and forth.

[00:31:35] I'm a yoga teacher at the time. I'm trying to be a good sport. But I have this one moment where I'm like, "What the fuck am I doing here?" I'm a lion in here with all these sheep. "What's happened to my relationship, my girlfriend, and all this stuff?" And I'm like, "All right. I got to let this thought go." So I just opened my eyes to shake the thought out, and for the first time, the guru walks out. And she's not looking at me.

[00:31:59] She's 50 or at least 100 feet away from me, and she's now walking down the center aisle. And literally, my head was at this angle, like I'm looking at you, about that same angle, and this light beam comes off of her. And it hits me right in my heart, and it explodes in two direction.

[00:32:15] The most massive shaktipat experience anybody could ever have hoped for. I wasn't expecting any of this. I was literally thinking, "What am I doing here?" And literally, I just collapsed over in complete unified ecstasy. I fell into the carpet, and every human there. And for 35, 40 seconds of complete non-duality, ecstasy, I'm crying, sobbing, and so forth.

[00:32:38] And I went through a time period after that where I could literally feel my seventh chakra, my pineal gland radiating, glowing. It's my own little secret. If I just do a breath, I can feel a little energy hit up there, but it's been fading of late.

[00:32:53] I've been very aware with the anger that I'm not really feeling my pineal gland, and I keep getting the Gaia ads on my YouTube feed where you've got the guy from-- oh, I'm forgetting his name, but he's talking about the pineal gland.

[00:33:09] Luke: Joe Dispenza?

[00:33:10] Adam: Yeah. Thank you so much. Joe Dispenza is their advertising guy in the pineal gland, the Clio. So about five or six weeks ago, I'm like, you know what? I want to feel my pineal gland again. I want to appreciate this again. And I'm like, this is the only thing I think I can do that's under my control that can combat the evil of the world these days.

[00:33:32] So literally, I always wake up at about 3:30 AM ever since I had this mystical experience. It's like, ding, wake up. I'm sometime between 2:30 and 4:00 AM, I always wake up. And I can't go back to sleep. And I've conditioned myself, don't grab your phone. That's just going to make it worse. So I literally have the playlist kind of set, and I usually get up and meditate, but I've like really committed to that because I'm like, I want to fight these guys. And the only way that I can do that is probably with love.

[00:33:58] The only way that I know that's going to be effective is with love. I can get guns and gear up and do tactical trainings and that stuff, but that's going to be maybe a moment of preservation if it ever comes up. But the only thing we can really do is we can love. So I'm like, I want my pineal gland back.

[00:34:14] I bought a new system for the house that gets rid of the fluoride. I'm like, "I deserve it. My kids deserve it." I want the pineal gland, and I'm reclaiming it, and I'm going to try to bring as much love into the world as I can to combat these crazy elements and forces and so forth.

[00:34:33] So I've been very cognizant about it, which I think if you think about the duality of life, this level of darkness has really woken me up to the importance of the light and the love and so forth. And not to jump into the brand here, because it always--

[00:34:49] Luke: That was my next seque, so you're totally on point.

[00:34:53] Adam: Yeah. It's not like Brain Supreme. It could be a product, anything like Brain Supreme or psychedelics. Particularly with psilocybin, I find more than any other psychedelic, it does offer some level of spiritual fortification, even at the microdosing level. So I've really recommitted to my own product and how I think in my own little way, like, if I can just turn a little bit of spirituality, a little bit of like, get those neuro pathways opened up in myself, clients, customers, and the world, and then if I can recommit to my practice, I literally sit for an hour, and I just think about love. I'm just thinking about love and gratitude.

[00:35:37] I love my wife. I love my kids. I love my friends. I'm appreciative of this. I'm calling in all of it. I'm a Jewish guy from New York, but I got Archangel Michael in there, Gabriel, and Jesus. I'm calling them all in like, "Let's go, man. We need everybody. All hands on deck"

[00:35:57] Luke: We need it now more than ever maybe. But yeah, that's a good point. It's like these things that we perceive to be evil are operating at these lower levels of consciousness, even on a lower astral, not to mention physical. And it's so tempting for us to want to go down to that level, which is the level of anger, fear, terror, and all these things in to get them.

[00:36:30] But there's levels above that that are infinitely more powerful. And that's 100% what I'm always intending to do, is just change myself from within and just hope that the truth that a rising tide lifts all ships is true. It is like, if each of us are more conscious, more compassionate, more loving, there's just less room. It's like that.

[00:36:56] I had a shirt years ago that on the sleeve it said, "Don't fight the darkness; make the light brighter." And I've heard a bunch of platitudes like that. For some reason that one just hit me. Actually, I copied it and made a shirt of my own recently. lukestoreymerch.com. You can find it there. But that really is it. Because we get in the ring with darkness, with our own darkness and our unresolved issues and trying to do battle with that. We're never going to get out of that tussle. The only way is to just maximize light.

[00:37:26] Adam: For me, it was really about self preservation. I'm really worried about my psychological state, my wellbeing, how well I'm going to parent, and what kind of energy am I bringing into the house and my wife and my kids. Because they all feed off vibration. So you've got to be cognizant of your vibration as a parent, as a dad, and to raise that up. So I totally recommitted to that from the standpoint of self preservation. And I feel like I'm doing something for the world.

[00:37:58] Luke: Yeah.

[00:37:59] Adam: That's my service.

[00:38:00] Luke: Excellent. So for those listening, I'm hoping that we kept people here because the title of this is going to have something to do with mushrooms and microdosing. I don't know, we've met and hung out a few times, but I always like to learn a bit more about someone before we dive into the topic.

[00:38:18] But I think it was the first time I met you over at Carls. You were the Pulp Fiction briefcase. You're like, "Hey, kid. Come here." You open up your briefcase, and you've got all these different mushroom products and stuff. And I was like, "Wow, this guy's really onto something. And so I want to do a deep dive on mushrooms.

[00:38:42] I'll add the context. Years ago, when I started, even just hearing that you could microdose mushrooms, I was a little apprehensive at first because at that time I was very much committed to my sobriety and still am ironically enough. But I thought, "If I can take some mushrooms below the threshold of perceptibility, then it's probably safe."

[00:39:07] So I just would get some shrooms from someone, and then I bought a little scale. I was really paranoid about dosing it right and whatnot, and I found my 200 milligrams or two tenths of a gram. And so I weigh them out, and I was fine and started to get some benefit from it.

[00:39:24] And then I learned the hard way that not all mushrooms are created equal, and not all parts of a single mushroom are created equal. So there were times when I had weighed a small cap and a little stem, and that was the right weight on my little digital scale. And then as time went on, nothing bad happened, and I was seeing some benefits from it.

[00:39:47] And then I had a couple of times where I took a little too much, not totally tripping, but to the point of anxiety-- in that middle zone. And I realized like, "Oh, it doesn't matter if one day I put a cap and a stem on. I could put a cap and a stem on the next day, I could have more or less psilocybin." So it made that dosing difficult. So then I started putting them in a coffee grinder.

[00:40:10] Adam: But then I realized if it sat around for a while, it would oxidize, and it wasn't having any effect. Because I wouldn't have them sealed up. I'd just grind them up and then light and oxygen would get in there and basically, I think, just render them inert, or at least weaken them a lot.

[00:40:26] So when I met you and you're like, yeah, we grow the mushrooms, and we're going to talk about the strain and how you do it, I really like the idea of being able to microdose very specifically and safely, and to know the exact ratio of the different nutrients, and specifically to know exactly how much psilocybin's in there to avoid accidentally feeling it more than you intend to feel it.

[00:40:53] And also, if you did want to take a mid-level or a full send, then you know the number of capsules to take to get you there. So I really like what you're doing, which is why I wanted to talk to you. And also, you're into nootropics and the biohacking end of it too. There's a performance element to the way you're formulating your products. And so I think there's a lot for different types of people listening there to learn. So that's the setup. But let's go back to how you first got interested in mushrooms in general.

[00:41:30] Adam: So the origin story for Brain Supreme, it's 1990, and I'm 19 years old, and I'm in Key West, Florida. My brother is four and a half years older than me. And now that I have kids, you don't realize it when you're young and you got a brother, but if you have a six and an 8-year-old, they're in the same space.

[00:41:48] They're both into Pokemon. But if you've got like a six and a 10-year-old, they're not in the same space. So I love my brother. He and I are very good friends. We're very close, but now we're in our 50s. We're both in the same space. But growing up, he's four and a half years older than me, so we were always a little bit out of sync.

[00:42:03] And he went off to a ski academy while I was still in high school, so we really only had 12, 13 years together, and then he was off. And we're that four and a half years apart. So it's spring break, 1990. He's in graduate school. I'm undergraduate. My mom was living in Florida at the time, and he's like, let's drive down to Key West, Florida.

[00:42:24] Now, this is 1990 Key West, Florida. I've actually never been back since, but back then it was really funky and interesting, and it was like literally the bottom receptacle of America. It's the lowest you can get in the United States. And it had that kind of feel to it as well in this southern gothic charming way.

[00:42:43] And he brought down a bag full of mushrooms. And we didn't know what the hell we were doing, so we went out to breakfast in the morning. We dropped them in a pot of boiling water with some tea. We smooshed them around in there. We had a little bit of lemon, a little bit of honey, and then we drank this tea down.

[00:42:58] I think we probably threw a 10-gram bag of mushrooms in there. We didn't weigh anything. We had no idea. And we drank the tea, we chomped up the mushrooms, and we rented some cruiser bikes, and all of a sudden it was like, whoosh. It came on my joints like, "Oh my God." Plus, I was a college football player.

[00:43:15] So even though I was 19 years old, the joints felt so good. I'm like, "Oh my God, my body feels amazing." And we bonded and laughed, and it was the best day as brothers imaginable, 19 and 23. It's not a real care in the world. It's extraordinary. And at Key West, back then, there was this public beach, and it was this rocky beach with these sparse southern pine trees. They were pretty opened up, and you could see.

[00:43:44] And I'm holding the cruiser bike. My brother runs into the bathroom to do something in the bathroom, and I'm completely in an altered state. And out of nowhere, this Vietnam veteran appears. It's 1990. He's 38 years old, and he starts to share with me how he can't live inside. And he wasn't scary. He was very sweetly-natured, and he was a wreck.

[00:44:02] But he was very sweet, very loving. And he just starts to share with me a story that when he was 19 years old, he got captured, and he got put into a mud pen for six months up to his neck.

[00:44:15] He was a prisoner of war. And ever since then, all his mates died. He was captured with his whole battalion. They all died. He was the only one who lived. He somehow survived. I forget that part of the story, but he's now got to live outside. And I'm listening to him in this altered state, and I'm 19 and he's 38.

[00:44:33] And I'm like, "Oh my God. Something can happen to you where you can live twice your life." I'm 19, he's 38. He's never recovered from what happened to him when he was 19. In that state, I felt it in my heart. I felt it emotionally, and it completely changed my worldview about violence, about the fragility of our psyche, and our psychological disposition, and unintended consequences. It had massive implication for me in that altered state, and I never forgot that experience. It was so powerful.

[00:45:11] So cut two, it's now 2016, and I'm in the cannabis space in California, and it's the golden time. It had just gone from medical to recreational, prices were high, and I had gotten into the cannabis game. I'm going to answer the questionable standpoint with just how this leads to psychedelics and Brain Supreme.

[00:45:32] So I had written a novel. I had spent most of my 30s working on a book called Tomato Rhapsody, comedic historical fiction, and it's the story of how the tomato makes it to Italy. And it's told in rhyming verse, and everybody thought I was crazy. I'd wasted my 30s. The book sold in four days. It's sold for over a million dollars. It was a multi-book deal. And I felt like, "Holy shit, I made it. My wife and I, we moved to Bend, Oregon. We had a young child at the time. Thought I was going to live this writer early lifestyle. We traveled back to Europe to research the next book.

[00:46:04] And between the sale of the manuscript and the release of the book, the publishing world fell apart. We had the 2008, 2009 housing crisis. The publishing world fell apart. And then the day that my book gets released, Michael Jackson dies.

[00:46:19] So it's like, who cares about a little book coming out? It's like it never happened. And then we have the publishing world implodes and number one, two, and three, it banned him. Who all bought my book, got fired. They don't release the audiobook. They sue me for the advanced back. Everything went so backwards and so wrong.

[00:46:38] So I'm living in Bend, Oregon and like, it's an amazing place to live, but if you lose a partner or a job, it's a tough place to live. And so we panicked. We moved back to LA, lost some weight, started teaching yoga again, working on some screenplay stuff, writing for my dad's company.

[00:46:55] And we were living at the time on the backside of the Malibu Mountains in Calabasas. Then we were going to this very interesting school that was run by a major Hollywood director's wife. I'm not going to go too much into that, but it was a vegan school and it had all these progressive values and self-determined education, but it was batshit fucking crazy like a Hollywood sitcomish kind of crazy place. They were all nuts.

[00:47:11] My son at the time was a very-- he was only three years old, but he was a very talented soccer player. He seemed like he had some real ability with soccer and he'd gotten spotted by a coach. He was like a dad.

[00:47:27] He was a soccer coach. European guy's like, that kid he's got get involved in soccer. He wants the ball, but the way he uses upper body, he doesn't want other people to have the ball. You can't teach that. So I'm like, okay, I had played college football. I'm all beat up. I'm like, better to build a culture of soccer anyhow.

[00:47:39] So we find this European coach. He moves in with us. I build this soccer, not-for-profit and because of where we live and where we went to school, I had this youth soccer training program and the families that were there were crazy influential families. We had one of the families that you talk about here in terms of the control of the world, they had a child on the team.

[00:48:03] We had celebrity kids because that's where we were living at the time. And one of the dads was like, Hey man. I like the way you operate. You got this coach and you built this family. He's like, what are you doing? I'm like, what? He said, come to this meeting with me.

[00:48:17] So he introduces me to the California cannabis industry, and I was like, I had used-- I'm a little bit recreational. I was never a big weed guy, honestly. When I was teaching yoga, I worked with some clients who had cancer. So we would use it medicinally and therapeutically and so forth.

[00:48:33] And certainly I knew about it from living in California, but I was never a weed guy. But he introduced me to California weed space and I'm like, I'm such a down on my luck kind of guy. Anyway, I'm like, here's an opportunity. Let me jump on it. And literally the bar was so low that competent and honest was the new extraordinary.

[00:48:49] So people started throwing me their business, and I got hired by a company to do business development basically just because I would like show up and be honest and, can you get me this? I'm like, yeah, I met somebody who had that. And so before you know it, I'm brokering. And this is when oil was really big if you could get crude oil to make the finished oil in.

[00:49:06] And I knew some of the crude, because we had business development. It was a legit corporation that was starting up. And so I'm doing business development, so I'm meeting everybody that's coming into the cannabis space. And so I'm knowing the outlaws, I'm knowing the legit players. So when somebody asks me if I can get something, I'm like, actually, I can.

[00:49:22] And so like suddenly I'm kind of like an outlaw broker with gallons of crude oil, which is so explosive in my trunk. And the other thing I realized about myself was I'd have enormous risk tolerance because I'm like, I'm the most boring, interesting guy you'd ever meet. I have no addictions.

[00:49:40] I don't really drink alcohol. I love my wife. I love my kids. Porn, gambling, drugs-- I don't do any of it. The only thing-- I literally like to have some friends over from 7:00 to 9:00. We sauna, we cold plunge, then everybody leaves. That's it, man. But because of that, I can do some pretty crazy shit and be really calm about it.

[00:50:02] Because I'm sober, I pretty much appear conservative in so many kind of aspects. So I'm driving all around the street and I'm grabbing this, and I'm grabbing that, and I'm selling it to this person. I'm flipping to that person. So like, before you know it, I have a-- so crazy to think about it, man-- a multimillion dollar distribution company going up and down the state.

[00:50:23] I've got two vans and I've got this whole security detail and they're all retired cops and DEA and PD, and we're literally like 750,000 to 1.5 million bucks in vans driving up and down the state. I got a hundred farms on the Rolodex. Everything is happening. We're finally making some money.

[00:50:43] We take our first vacation in years. Holy shit, this is amazing. I had great buyers. I love the farms. The farms love me because I'd call them. I'd be like, Hey guys. I'm running behind or I'm running early. No one ever calls us in Humboldt County. You're checking in? I'm like, yeah, I want to be respectful of your time.

[00:51:01] So it was like a revelation to them. And prices were great and everybody could make a living. The farms could make a living. And my team, we'd make a living and then the buyers, they'd make a living. And the retail was great. So it was like a fantastic sweet spot of three years. It was incredible.

[00:51:18] But I can identify a good bag of weed from half a mile away now. I know weed incredibly well, but I'm still not a big weed guy. I appreciate it as medicine, I appreciate it as recreation. It's certainly better than alcohol. I'm much more comfortable if my kids are smoking a joint than drinking a beer because the judgment that they make on a weed, like, Hey, I want to eat something and relax and just listen to some music versus like, what happens on alcohol, it's not even close.

[00:51:43] So I'm very cool with weed, I appreciate it, but not a big weed guy. But I remember during this time, how I feel about mushrooms. And I had met a guy in the area who we became friends and I started talking with him, and he had a little cannabis grow. Our kids were friends and so forth.

[00:52:01] And he came, we start to talk about mushrooms and he is like, oh, I love mushrooms. And turns out he comes from-- European guy. He comes from four generations of mushroom foragers. And so I said to him, I'm like, I'm really interested in psychedelics, but I'm getting close to like-- I'm up there in my 40s. I want a life hack.

[00:52:18] I got so much I got to do still. I wasted so much time where things didn't work out. I want a life hack. I had first heard Stamets and Fadiman on some podcasts while I'm driving up and down the state talk about microdosing. I'm like, that's really interesting. So I basically funded the guy out to do a mushroom grow and he ended up being really, really talented and he started bringing in genetics from Europe because he speaks several European languages.

[00:52:43] And we started really approaching this microdosing as the ultimate form of supplementation and life optimization. And so that's really the genesis of Brain Supreme, that we set out to create specifically a microdosing product that I wanted guys like myself who were 50 years old and still had a lot to get done.

[00:53:09] And you weren't going to juice yourself to the gills or do some kind of crazy, unhealthy habits to attain what you need to attain in the second half of your life. And so that's really the genesis of Brain Supreme. I wanted to create something to help optimize.

[00:53:27] I wanted to create a supplement where, oh, I feel this. I'm taking a supplement. That's the genesis and specifically what happened. And also just in terms of the cannabis industry, so COVID hits and, I'm like, oh, this is going to be so bad in LA. So I moved up to Northern California to be closer to the farms.

[00:53:48] I thought it'd be better living up there and it's actually far worse. They couldn't wait to torture children and bankrupt their own businesses in Northern California. And I got out of my lane. I bought farms and literally it keeps me up at night still. Within two years, I had lost everything that I had worked for.

[00:54:06] I bought into one of the largest farming groups in the state. And the first year we had fires and smoke damage. See what happens with weed, most of your listeners probably know, but about two to three weeks before harvest, all those sticky hairs, those trichomes on the bud are blooming and those trichomes contain most of the THC and all the terpenes, which is the fragrance. The molecules of flavor and smell are terpenes.

[00:54:33] And those sticky trichomes, they're so environmentally sensitive that if there's smoke in the air, you don't even have to burn with the fire. But if that smoke gets on those trichomes, your weed's going to smell like smoke and it's basically worthless. So the first year we lost a projected 54,000 pounds at 700 bucks a pound. Do the math. We lost it all to smoke damage, like literally almost every single pound because there was fires all over the area.

[00:55:03] Luke: So were you growing outdoors?

[00:55:05] Adam: Were doing outdoor and we were doing some depths, some hoop depths. So basically weed has essentially five categories. You got straight outdoor, straight, full term sun, and then you have hoop house depths, which are like those strawberry tarps that you see. And then that just helps you control the light cycle. So you can get two harvests. Then you have greenhouses where there'll be augmented lighting.

[00:55:26] So they pull tarps, they use natural sunlight, but they'll use augmented lighting. And then you have like legit glass house greenhouse, which is almost like indoor. And then you have indoor. Now weed has moved because the volatility in the market and how expensive and risky it is, it's almost moved entirely to indoor.

[00:55:42] There's still outdoor weed, but there's no crop insurance. There's no nothing. So if you get smoke damage, you're screwed. And then it was a lot of good money after bad and at the same time the market started to tank. So what I used to pick up a pound for a thousand bucks in Northern California, and by the time you hit LA it's 12 13, 13.50, depending on the quality, there's a nice portion there for everybody to live on, it's now coming off the farms at 700 and selling in the city at 750. Like, oh, that's not so good. And the price just keeps dropping and dropping. Back then 2019, 2020, 2021, it's basically costs you about 400, 450 bucks a pound to grow outdoor, trim it and pay the taxes on it.

[00:56:19] So the first year we lost almost every pound, and now I'm not making as much money in distribution and it's a lot of good money after bad because I got to kind of carry the farm and everything. And you kind of got to go all in. I wasn't savvy enough in business to realize, oh, cut my losses maybe here.

[00:56:34] And I got investors. I got friends. My whole crew is invested with me. I'm doing like active 401K. I'm giving my guys like 5, 10% of their money a month and everything. I was an idiot. I was a good-natured idiot. I was mostly a yoga teacher and novelist. I knew business from an interpersonal standpoint, relationships, culture, trying to honor your word, being on time, the accountability aspects.

[00:56:57] But in terms of being strategic with your finances and understanding the volatility and when you take somebody else's money, it was like a gravy train for all those years. I didn't project and think that far and ahead. It's like classic MC Hammer story here. So then the next year we're looking, okay, the day before harvest, we get this inverted atmospheric river.

[00:57:19] So there's basically more rain in the sky than in the Mississippi River. And we had 11 days of continuous rain, 13 inches. And we literally lost every single pound to mold. And at this point, I was completely destitute and ruined. I couldn't pay the farm workers. I had lost everybody's money.

[00:57:34] Distros that I had set up around the country are getting robbed. They can't sell. There's a price collapse. Now the price is down to 300, 350 bucks a pound in the city being sold. So everybody's upside down. There's no money in distribution. I couldn't hustle. I couldn't work my way out of it. And I was an absolute wreck.

[00:57:53] I was 265 pounds. I'm not prone to alcohol or drug abuse like I'd mentioned, but I'm not sleeping. I'm depressed, cold sweats. It's terrible. And my partner who I was easily financing for all these years to develop the brand, I've got no money. I've got nothing. COVID is going crazy.

[00:58:10] My kids are getting thrown out of school. They want every little kid jabbed up. It was the most stressful, terrible time of my life imaginable. And we had just developed the Genius formula. And I'll never forget this experience. I'm driving around on the 101 in the Santa Cruz area.  And it was a very beautiful day.

[00:58:39] Whenever we develop a new microdose, I would take a week or so off so I could test it fresh. And we had just developed this new mushroom strain that we call Russian Envy, which is our kind of proprietary strain. And then we had just figured out the combinations of nootropics, amino acids, and herbs and minerals that we created for our Genius formula.

[00:58:58] And I took two, and about 45 minutes later I'm driving, and all of a sudden I felt my brain go, thunk. And it was the most interesting thing. It was like I wasn't shroomy, I wasn't stoned, but I was like, oh, this is how my brain's supposed to operate. It was like I was an athlete and I had never had minerals.

[00:59:17] And so working out was always an ordeal. My muscles always ached. And finally I drank great water with minerals. I'm like, "Oh, this is how my muscles should feel." And I was like, "Oh, this is how my brain should feel." This is how my emotion should feel. And I'm like, holy shit. We're onto something here.

[00:59:32] 200 milligrams of this quality of psilocybin blended with these nootropics and herbs and nutrients, it's game changing. And then the next two years of my life were a complete disaster, like lawsuits, anxiety. And the thing is people might see this who-- look, there's two ways in life you can be a scumbag.

[00:59:53] There's commission and omission. Commission is I knowingly want to screw you and hurt you and steal from you and rob from you. And then there's omission, the sins that we do by omission, where thoughtlessness, inconsiderate things happen. And the amount of sins that I got caught up in from omission, they still torture me to this day.

[01:00:16] I still can't really sleep through the night. I think about it until I'm able to eventually repay everybody and so forth. And especially if you're new to business and you lose other people's money and you lose middle class money and people who need it and you care about, it's terrible, man. It's the worst feeling.

[01:00:33] So I could always fall asleep, but I'd wake up at 2:30 covered in sweat, anxiety and sweat. My wife and kids had kind of moved out of the state because we couldn't send them to school anymore. If you wanted to do a state sponsored homeschool, we couldn't go to the school to pick up the work unless we showed proof of vaccination for our children.

[01:00:56] They wouldn't let us go to the school to pick up the work. So my wife's like, "Fuck it. I'm out of here. Figure it out and meet me there." We didn't get break up or anything, but she's just like, "Close down things in California. Come meet me." And so I'm separated from my wife and kids.

[01:01:11] Logistically, I'm so stressed out. I'm trying to save, and I can't hustle my way out of it because the price at the farm, they want to pay 300 bucks in the city, and the farm needs at least 350 so they don't go bankrupt. And now gas also, because of COVID, is up to six bucks a gallon.

[01:01:36] It's a disaster. Everything is going wrong. And I was so stressed out, and we developed this formula. And literally, one of the amazing things that I can talk about over the six years of microdosing now is that it allowed me to compartmentalize that stress and to operate on three or four or five hours of sleep a night maybe, and recreate my life and process through this level of anxiety to make a new life happen here. And I attribute so much of that to microdosing and to the products we created. It really helped save me during the worst time of my life.

[01:02:15] Luke: Epic story. God makes my life and business seem so smooth and easy. That's a lot of stress, especially when you got a family. The times I've made mistakes in life and business or pivoted and tried something new and took a chance, it was always like on me if it didn't work out. It's not going to really literally affect anyone except me. That's so hardcore.

[01:02:38] Adam: Dude, and hurting people. Probably during your years of addiction, you can relate, but when you hurt people, it's torture, man. I think about it all the time still.

[01:02:52] Luke: Unless you're Bill Gates--

[01:02:53] Adam: I love these people. I appreciated these people, but they were throwing work at me. Please try to sell it. Please try to sell it. And I'm trying to sell it. And I couldn't say no. I've never been the guy who can say, no. I have a difficult time. I'm very disciplined personally myself, but I'm not a disciplinarian. It's one of my holes in my game from business standpoint, is making hard boundaries, saying no and so forth.

[01:03:17] What's that word? Favors kill more people than bullets. Something like that. You can really get yourself in a lot of trouble if you try to be a hero and say yes to too many things because a couple distros get robbed. The other thing too, when the industry tanked, is the criminality came out. I got robbed for millions.

[01:03:38] Work getting stolen everywhere because people get desperate, and they stop. They don't come back and return. You do a lot of fronting in the cannabis industry because you front the work. When things were great, I was cashing everything out at the farm. The farms love you, and it's such an easier way to do business.

[01:03:58] And then I assume all the risk of the transportation. Then my buyers in city pay me and then I go back up. But sometimes they have more work and the buyers have more demand. So you start to pay for two thirds, take a third on the front, and then you're paying for half, taking half on the front. And then all of a sudden things go sour, and the farmers are like, "Hey, man. Can you help me? Can you help me?"

[01:04:15] And then the criteria for the work is getting harder and harder. Work had to be perfect. When I first got into the game, if it had a decent nose and looked decent, no problem. Then it went through this crazy thing where we could only sell OGs, which are the gassy, heavy duty indica strains and everything.

[01:04:34] And so then all farmers grew were OG. So here's the conundrum of when the market went really bad. So the market had really only been about one type of strain, the strain called OG, which are the classic gassy. They have the kind of jet fuel gasoline smells to the nose.

[01:04:52] There'll be piney, and they'll have a gasoline-like quality. And all anybody wanted was OGs. That was the whole thing moving the market. So the farms all switched to OGs. So at the same time you have COVID and then this price collapse, can't move an OG anymore. So farms have hundreds of thousands of pounds of OG. None of the buyers want OG anymore.

[01:05:15] And then I'm the guy in the middle trying to help all these farms move OG. So I literally would have 5, 6, 7, 800 pounds of weed that I'm just driving around in a van trying to sell from distro to distro to distro, and nobody wants it. And then somebody takes it on front because you've known this person. You've done millions of dollars of business with them. They're stressed out. You're stressed out. The farm's stressed out. Now it's your responsibility. So you front it to somebody else, and then they get robbed.

[01:05:41] Luke: Wow.

[01:05:42] Adam: And then you're like, "What the fuck do I do now?"

[01:05:47] Luke: What did people want in place of the OG strains?

[01:05:50] Adam: They started to want a diversity. The term is boxes. So a box is 100 pounds. And when you were in the box game, when you move in boxes, and you're a distro, it used to be just boxes of all the same strains. So first it was OGs, and then you could do OGs and some exotics, like the Gelato strains, Lemon Cherry gelato, Black Cherry Gelato.

[01:06:12] So you could move boxes of strains. From up north and Humboldt, it was the all OGs. They had to get the OGs. But the central coast and the other area, you could get the strains, and you could start to get the exotics. Basically, an a got exotic is anything that's got an interesting nose, maybe some candy, some vanillas, some gelato ice creamy smells to it. And they have a little bit of purple in them as well.

[01:06:35] And then it became purple. Everybody wants purples. And no, you couldn't give away a sativa. So those sharp pine citrusy noses like Jack Herer, Sour Diesel, Blue Dream, they produce really high volumes. And when I first got in the game, everybody loved sativa, and then sativa just disappeared.

[01:06:56]  And now all of a sudden, you can't move boxes anymore. If you're going to sell 100 pounds, they want 10 different strains, 10 pounds of each. So that's so much harder because now you got to drive around 20 farms to find that level of work where you could just go to one or two.

[01:07:11] So they started to need diversity because what ended up happening is that-- the whole weed game is controlled by the black market. Even if you're trying to run the cleanest licensed business in California, California is so fucking crazy. So they licensed 5X more farms than you needed for licensed distribution within the state.

[01:07:32] So they literally licensed 5,000 farms when you need just 500 licensed farms to supply the whole state from a legal standpoint. So everybody's moving work out of town. And when I tell you how old the infrastructures are for moving weed out of different states, it's extraordinary. When I first got into the game, we sat down with a major energy bar company.

[01:07:56] I'm working for this YPO, Young Presidents' Organization. I'm working for this YPO guy. He's juiced. His network, he's got politicians and lawyers, and we have this beautiful office, and he's got this super successful history. I'm not going to say name. We have a major energy bar.

[01:08:13] You see him in gas stations coming in. I'm like, "What the hell is this company coming in for?" I think they want to talk to us about maybe a hemp bar with some of our hemp projects, or maybe they want to come into the edible space, make a different brand and co-brand with us, and come into the distribution on edibles, chocolate bars, cookies, whatever it might be.

[01:08:32] And when they walk in, it's their head science officer who's one of the main partners in the company, and it's a guy who looks like an LA weed guy. And it's a guy who looks like a retired cop, 55. He's got a bulletproof vest on. This is a weird combination. First thing they say to us is, "We need help getting 400 pounds to Atlanta twice a month." And I'm like, "Holy shit. This whole company financed their growth on selling weed across the country."

[01:08:56] Luke: Wow.

[01:08:57] Adam: Wow. And then I come to find out, as I'm getting into the industry, how many people have done that. The Hollywood Hills are filled historically with guys who, despite being in the music industry, the entertainment industry, the film industry, shipping, cargo, whatever it might be, they've been moving boxes for years.

[01:09:16] And then there's a lot of real estate guys who basically grew up in the valley, particularly the Persian community and the Persian Jewish community in the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles. They were the best weed growers in the world historically, 14, 15, 16, Woodland Hills, that area. All these cats started growing indoor weed.

[01:09:37] And what they would do is they would convert a house over, and then they start to pick up buildings. And so you had a lot of Persian Jewish guys and Persians who were in the real estate game. They'd go back and they would buy a building to their friends, charge a little bit of higher rent, get a 10% kickback on the gross.

[01:09:53] And so the whole valley started to be propagated by houses and then office spaces that became these weed growers and everything. So it's insane how sophisticated that infrastructure is for getting weed across the country. I always used to tell people, like, you live in Nebraska, you grow all this corn, but you can't sell corn across state lines.

[01:10:13] You're going to figure out some pretty creative ways to get-- everybody needs their corn. You're going to get that corn to Florida, to Chicago, to Alaska. You can get corn everywhere. So that's pretty much what happened historically. But when all that crashed, when it went bad, it went really bad, and it hasn't really recovered. So I'm out of that game entirely, but it's a hard, hard business. But literally, it was the creation of these products that I think saved my life. I don't know what would've happened if I hadn't done that.

[01:10:45] Luke: Let's explore the practice of microdosing and how you guys formulate. There's going to be some people listening that have already experimented with microdosing. Some people are already going to be doing it. And then there's going to be a lot of people listening who have never even taken a shroom journey and are going, "Ooh, those are drugs. That sounds cool, but it's scary." So maybe give us the strata of below perception doses to when you start to-- the handshake dose into the full thing. Let's start to frame that for people.

[01:11:25] Adam: Basically, I'm going to teach my coaching course right now, which is my real sweet spot. We have this all online at brainsupreme.co. It's a free download. It's eight videos. I think it's 35 minutes in total and it offers a complete understanding of what it means to microdose.

[01:11:39] Luke: Oh, cool.

[01:11:39] Adam: So the best way to understand microdosing is in the context of the macro dose. So a macro dose-- traditionally the therapeutic or heroic dose, or just tripping balls in nature or in Key West Florida, when I was 19 years old, it's historically been five grams. Now, mushrooms are grown a little stronger these days, particularly if you're getting Penis Envy, Albino Penis Envy, or something like that, you might want to be closer to 3.5 grams unless you really initiate it.

[01:12:03] But for sake of this conversation, let's call the heroic dose 5 grams or 5,000 milligrams. Easier to understand microdosing in terms of milligrams. So one gram is 1,000 milligrams. The heroic dose is 5,000 milligrams historically.

[01:12:24] Microdosing happens at the sub 10% level of that. So the traditional microdose is somewhere between 100 to 400 milligrams. So that defines the microdose. Now, scientists out there and so forth, they use this term sub perceptible. I completely disagree with that. Why would you want to take something that's sub perceptible? Brain Supreme, we have the definition of perceptible, non-intoxicating, non-hallucinatory.

[01:12:48] You want your microdose to be perceptible, 5, 10, 15%. I feel more effective today. I'm more loving. I'm more tuned in. I did the extra reps at the gym. It should be perceptible, but it should be defined by your sweet spot. And your sweet spot is this notion of the right level of perceptible, non-intoxicating, non-hallucinatory.

[01:13:10] So I like to disabuse this notion of sub perceptible. Microdosing is expensive. Essentially, microdosing is an expensive supplement that you know. You and I are both very similar. You are much deeper in the biohacking space, but I've been going to functional MDs, integrative MDs, acupuncturists, and so forth for years.

[01:13:28] I spent a ton of money on supplements. And my thing with supplements always is I think they work. I hope they work. Everybody else got sick. I didn't get that sick. For 54, I'm looking pretty good. I'm feeling pretty good, blah, blah, blah. But when you add 100 or 200 milligrams of psilocybin to your microdose, you're like, "Ah, I know what I'm paying for."

[01:13:48] Literally, to this day, the only supplement that I know what I'm paying for is when I take my own, or if I'm testing out a competitors that happens to be an effective product. Microdosing should be thought of as an expensive supplement that you know what you're paying for, that it's perceptible.

[01:14:03] So for most people, that's between 100 to maybe 400 milligrams on the high side of a microdose. Now, microdosing is based on neurological needs. It's not based on body weight. So if you've had a lot of brain trauma, if you have certain levels of neurotoxicity, if you've been on an SSRI or an SNRI, you might need a higher level of a microdose than somebody who's clean living and not neurotoxic.

[01:14:28] For most people, it's 200 to maybe 300 milligrams or two to three capsules of a product like mine is the historic, accurate level of microdosing. But I have this process where with microdosing, if you're newer to it, it's demystify, familiarize, and personalize. And so if you're newer to microdosing, you got to limp into it.

[01:14:47] If you have any anxiety, any concern, don't do it on a workday. Do it on a weekend morning. Just let yourself relax into it. Microdosing is always better done in the morning on an empty stomach, either water with lemon juice or coffee with fat. For some reason, at Brain Supreme, we've discovered that we have a modified Bulletproof recipe on the website where we add all these other nootropics and functional mushrooms in, and so forth.

[01:15:14] But it's like a modified Bulletproof. I find microdosing with this kind of modified Brain Supreme, Bulletproof, very, very effective. But historically, the best way to microdose, in the morning, empty stomach, water with lemon. You eat psilocybin, it hits your liver. It converts to psilocin. Your brain absorbs psilocin. That conversion process is facilitated by vitamin C, a little lemon juice. We actually, in our Brain Supreme proprietary blend, work in very high-quality vitamin C into all our proprietary formula.

[01:15:40] Luke: I want to back you up for one second because I like the train of thought here of the sub perceptual because when I try to explain this to people, I usually say, if I'm, not that I'm coaching people, but if a friend or a friend of a friend's, like, "Oh yeah, I heard about this microdose," and I might give them some of your product or something, then I always say-- actually, I had some friends over this morning, and we were drinking some wachuma tincture, some San Pedro.

[01:16:09] And I told them, if you take this much, you won't feel it. That's the safe threshold. And if you take this much of the dropper, you might feel it a little. So I recommend you just take the lower dose that you don't feel. I'm always saying the opposite because I don't want to freak people out, and I want to be responsible in my coaching. But there is something to be said to your point that it's like, whatever substance you're microdosing, if you don't notice any difference at all, then you're getting expensive pee.

[01:16:38] Adam: Right. What are you doing?

[01:16:40] Luke: So the way I judge if it's more than I'm bargaining for, is always determine whether or not I can drive a car safely. That's how I know. If I get in my car and I'm like, I don't know if I should be driving right now, then I've passed the threshold of microdose. If I go to a ceremony or something too, it's usually you're going to sleep it off.

[01:17:05] But if I haven't, in some instance, when Alyson and I first met, we were up all night eating peyote. And we got in the car in the morning, and I'm driving down the freeway, and I was like, "Yeah, I don't think I should be driving right now." I didn't know until it was too late and we had somewhere to be. So I stuck with it.

[01:17:21] But we still call it the peyote swerve because I just literally couldn't stay between the lines. And so I think as you work with these substances over the years, you learn your threshold. But mine is, can I drive or not?

[01:17:33] Adam: Yeah. And that's actually a great demarcation. And it's exactly what, when I do coaching or whenever I'm just talking with clients and customers-- ideally, the microdose puts you at your highest level of efficacy and optimization, and that's part of the familiarization process.

[01:17:50] So there's three ways you can go about microdosing in the Brain Supreme philosophy. There's supplemental dosing, you treat it as a supplement, performance dosing, and then just peak day dosing. I like to encourage all clients and customers and so forth to start with supplemental dosing, which for us is five days on, two days off.

[01:18:11] Start with one capsule, maybe even half a capsule, if you're anxious about it. Crack it open. Spill it in the water with lemon juice. One capsule in the morning, empty stomach, on an off day, on a weekend day. You're not getting behind the wheel. You're not doing anything like that. Just demystify the process, and then you start to push your dosage up.

[01:18:31] Days 1 and 2, maybe start with one capsule, and then maybe day 3, you go to two, and you're like, "Oh, two seems to be that sweet spot. I seem to be operating at a higher level of functionality. I seem to be 5, 10, 15% more optimized." Then you've found it. So then over the course, as you perfect your supplemental dosing, you can scale a little bit.

[01:18:54] So when I supplement dose, which I do during my weekdays, and I take the weekend off, I'll do Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday on two capsules, Thursday, Friday on three capsules. I do a little bit scaling up. I take the weekend off. You'll always want to honor your off days. And you just push your dosage incrementally till you get to that sweet spot-- perceptible, non-toxic skating, non-hallucinatory.

[01:19:14] You can drive your car to the gym very effectively and have a noticeably better workout. That's what you're going for with microdosing. It's an expensive supplement that you notice. That's the supplemental dosing. Also very important to honor your off days because you will acclimate to microdosing.

[01:19:30] And the thing about microdosing is you want to feel it. You want to notice it. That's very nice about it. So honor your off days. When you're supplement dosing, go for-- a pack is 60 capsules. Go for the 25 or 30 days that you would use it, and then take a week to maybe 10 days off, five to 10 days off.

[01:19:47] Now, some people microdosing is so effective, and there's so much anxiety in their lives-- they could have PTSD-- that just the idea of taking an off day gives them anxiety, and the idea of taking an off week gives them anxiety. And this is an emerging science. I'm a little cynical about science since COVID, because so many scientists got COVID wrong or they lacked the integrity to get COVID right.

[01:20:11] By the way, just jump back to COVID, this is my demarcation for how I assess the world. Did they get COVID right? If they got COVID right, I'm interested. If they didn't get COVID right or they knew about COVID, but they wouldn't want to sacrifice their career or be a healer and so forth, then I put them in a box. I call them the glorious narcissists.

[01:20:31] And I'll check in with a glorious narcissist for some information from time to time, but they're not the same thing as like a Mike Adams, Mercola, Kennedy, or Malone, so many of these guys who really put their careers on the line to speak the truth. Those people are real healers to me, and that's where I mostly go for my advice, education, wisdom, and so forth.

[01:20:53] But the scientists are mostly doing the studies with synthetic psilocybin. So I don't even bother. I'm like, "Look, if you want the science, go listen to Huberman. Go check in with James Fadiman." He's the OG in the space. Dr. James Fadiman, F-A-D-I-M-A-N. So many interviews on Spotify. They're out there.

[01:21:14] I've had 2,500 conversations with clients as I've developed this product on how to microdose effectively. So I may be a little bit unhumbly. There's much more educated people in the space than me, but I don't know if there's been anybody who's had as many one-on-one conversations about how to microdose.

[01:21:30] Because we've hand sold almost half the product so far, and all that necessitated a conversation and then some follow ups and feedback. So over six years, I think I met 2,500 conversations because we've--

[01:21:40] Luke: Well, that's clinical data versus theoretical data. You're actually talking to human beings about their experience.

[01:21:48] Adam: Yeah. And what I've found over that is that the mushrooms have a wisdom, even at the microdose level. And I have this theory that it could bent versus broken. Okay, I've had some lumps in my life. So many of our mutual friends have had some lumps. But the real breaks, you probably more so than many of our other shared peers. But real trauma, molestation, rape, horrendous violence, combat experiences. I haven't had those experiences, thankfully.

[01:22:24] So the guys in my world and clients who are bent, you're going to get that 5, 10%, 15% bump in efficacy, performance, energy, libido, focus, whatever it may be. But my broken crowd, they'll often tell me they're 50, 60, sometimes 70% better through microdosing.

[01:22:43] They stop having suicide ideation. They stop having night terrors. I've heard that on a number of occasions, literally combat veterans who, four or five times a year, will attack their spouse in their sleep because they're going through something. They stop having night terrors. Sometimes when those people begin microdosing, it's so beneficial for them that it creates anxiety to take your off days.

[01:23:01] And I'm like, "Don't." The mushrooms are going to tell you when you're ready to take a break. They'll let you know. So if you got to take it for three months in a row, because it's doing some work on you, let it do the work. Don't have microdosing be a source of anxiety in your life. It should be the kind of the remedy to your anxiety. So I've found that a little bit.

[01:23:22] And eventually, they all get to a spot where like, "Hey, you know what? I'm ready to go to performance dosing," or "I'm going to take a month off," or "Maybe I don't even need to do it anymore." Look, I own a brand selling product, is what you want to do. But transparency, honesty is a superpower. And people get that, and they respect that.

[01:23:38] And you can go on a six-month course of microdosing and want to continue doing it because you like the idea of it. But you might not need to. It might have done its work. Or you might want to take a whole year off, or four months, or six months off. So let the wisdom of the mushrooms speak to you and inform on your process.

[01:23:58] And if you're doing the supplement protocol to start and you really feel like you don't want to take those days off, don't take them off. But for most people, you will do some acclimating, so you might want to scale your dosage up from one to two or two to three capsules over the course of the week. Some of you might need to be at a very high dosage level.

[01:24:16] I've got some MMA guys, some UFC, and some jiujitsu guys who've had some real brain trauma. I've got one guy. He's a very good friend of mine-- retired NFL. He needs some microdose two Black Stack at 500 milligrams of active. That's what works for him. I have another MMA buddy of mine who, when he started microdosing from 500 to 700 over the course of the week, his tinnitus went away on day three.

[01:24:37] Luke: Really?

[01:24:38] Adam: Yeah. There's so many--

[01:24:38] Luke: I've got to step up my dosing because mine is not going away.

[01:24:41] Adam: There's so many stories like that. So that's supplemental dosing, and that's the best way.

[01:24:46] Luke: I took a half of one of your capsules a couple of hours before you got here, and I would say sub perceptual. The reason I took a half and not a whole one is because I already had some wachuma this morning, and I didn't want to act too nutty during our podcast, which probably would've been fun for both of us. So how much psilocybin did I get from taking one capsule?

[01:25:10] Adam: So Genius, Feel Good, and Athlete have 100 milligrams--

[01:25:13] Luke: It was Genius.

[01:25:14] Adam: So Genius, Athlete, and Feel Good have 100 milligrams of active ingredient per capsule. 400 milligrams of complimentary ingredients. The suggested dosage is two capsules, but limp into it. Black Stack is our extra strength, and that's at 250 milligrams of active per capsule.

[01:25:29] We then add super high quality nanocurcumin, which is why it's yellowish, ginger and vitamin C to make the other 250 milligrams. So you probably had 50 milligrams of active ingredient in your capsule. I did something interesting today to prepare for this podcast. I took 10 days off from microdosing because I'm like, look, you create a product. You invest in the product. Your whole life, livelihood, and that of your family is dependent upon the product.

[01:25:55] But you really want to be authentic, like, does this work? Does it help people? And the feedback is mostly tremendous. And the reviews are on the website and so forth. The product reviews are great. But every once in a while, there's some insecurity that sets in just with myself wanting to be really authentic. So I took 10 days off, and I went back this morning, and I did my performance dose because I want to know if it works. And let me tell you, it really works.

[01:26:21] Luke: How much is your performance dose?

[01:26:22] Adam: Okay, so now I'm going to get into performance dosing. So the next way to approach microdosing is performance dosing. And this is really effective for our men's group like successful guys, going for things. They're talented. They're accomplished, but they work out hard. They train hard. They want to feel it. So for that group of people, performance dosing is done twice a week. It should be done on your two hardest training days, I like to think, if you're exercising or a nice day off.

[01:26:56] So for me, my performance dosing tends to be on Monday and Thursday. Those are my two hardest weight training days. I do it 45 minutes before I hit the gym. I take two Genius and two Athlete. So I stack. It's 400 milligrams of active. That's a slightly perceptible dose.

[01:27:12] Luke: Damn. But it's almost half a gram. That sounds like a lot.

[01:27:16] Adam: Yeah, but you do acclimate to it. And that's for me. You have to have the limp in process even with performance dosing. Somebody should start with two. That might be the performance dose. And then you scale up. But the whole idea of performance dosing, and for my athletes, professional athletes, amateur athletes, one practice day and then on game day.

[01:27:36] But you must do the practice days first because you don't want to compromise your game day. It's not something to be experimented with on game day. So for me, I know my performance dose is two Genius and two Athlete. And I do it about 45 minutes before the gym with my Brain Supreme modified Bulletproof coffee.

[01:27:56] I do it after I get the lunches done and the kids out to school, because sometimes a slightly higher microdose, if you're dealing with the immediate stress in the morning, it can compound the stress. So get the immediate stress in the morning out of the way, a little bit before vigorous exercise, then you're going to burn off the more intense 90 minutes to two-hour period.

[01:28:16] After the microdose is when it's strongest onset. That's going to fuel your gym workout, your exercise, your hike, your trail, run, your jujitsu training, whatever it may be. And then the benefits to the microdose linger throughout the day, and then the next two days, then you pick up and do it again on Thursday or Wednesday or Saturday, whatever it may be.

[01:28:33] Two days a week spaced with two days off, a more perceptible higher dose, much better when coupled with exercise. That's performance dosing. Or if you're an athlete, practice day, game day. Wednesday practice, Saturday game. And like anything, demystify, familiarize, personalize. Figure out how to approach the microdose. I'm a big fan of the performance dosing because I feel it. My workouts at the gym are just extraordinary.

[01:29:01] And then I get into a perceptible flow state. So like right now, I did my microdose at 11:00 AM this morning. It's about five hours later right now, and I'm completely in flow state. So for me, one of the cumulative benefits of microdosing, in the film, Fantastic Fungi, which is about the life and work of Paul Stamets, this is pre, I've sold my soul to the pharmaceutical industry, Paul Stamets, which is a whole other heartbreaking conversation to have.

[01:29:30] This is about the mycelial networks that interconnect the forest. Mycelium are the root fibers of the mushrooms, and these are like neuro pathways that conduct information through the forest and through the trees. They let about invasive species, nutrient deficiencies, nutrients abundances, and these mycelial network can move the nutrients.

[01:29:50] Over the six years of microdosing, one of the cumulative benefits has been what I call the etheric mycelial network, where I literally feel like, from my heart and from my head, fibrous go out, and I know when I'm really connected to somebody, and it's just beautiful.

[01:30:05] It's like, "Oh, now I give. Now I receive." And it's almost like there's etheric pathways that are conducting, validating, and substantiating our relationship and my interaction. I also know when I'm making no connection, and I just pull back in a way. And so when I do the performance dose like those etheric pathways, that etheric mycelium network is very pronounced to me.

[01:30:29] I really feel it. I empathize. I identify. I communicate. I feel at a higher level. So I really like the performance dosing. So that's, I think, the benefit of the performance dosing-- also puts me in flow state. And my athletes also talk about increased flow state, that they're intuitive and interpretive in their actions and their emotions, whether it's on the soccer pitch, or the football field, jiujitsu, martial arts, striking, whatever it may be, or even just a trail run and hiking.

[01:30:54] It's a beautiful way to operate. So that is slightly more perceptible. And somewhere, maybe 200 to 500 milligrams, is the performance dosing range. And then the last way to approach microdosing is peak day dosing. So now you've demystified, familiarized, you personalized, you know what your sweet spot is, and you just save that for maybe Friday as a great workout.

[01:31:17] And then you have a conference meeting at work where you need to be on your A game for your presentation, or maybe it's once a month, once a week, or twice a month, something like that. You're using it judiciously for days that you want to peak. And those are the three ways that you really approach microdosing.

[01:31:31] There's a lot of conversation, a lot of study, and a lot of clinical research on microdosing. Personally, I don't really find any of it to be necessary. It's just a bunch of university people working with synthetic psilocybin. It's a supplement. It's a supplement that you should notice. So just approach that way. Take two weeks, use it as a supplement, figure out how it works for you, and then decide whether you want to use it as a supplement, as a performance, or as a peak day. It's simple.

[01:32:03] Luke: I like that approach. I had an experience some years ago. I was in Yosemite with Alyson, my brothers and a couple really close friends, and we brought a bunch of mushrooms up there, and we had a little informal ceremony. It was an intentional thing, but the idea wasn't to put on an eye mask and a playlist and have a full shamanic ride.

[01:32:27] It was just everyone chose their own dose, and we were just going to be on the land and just have some fun and hang out, which I hadn't really done since back in the day going to dead shows and having really terrible experiences with taking way too much psychedelics in the wrong venue.

[01:32:42] So it was a great set and setting, but it wasn't meant to be a big deep dive. And I don't know. We probably ate a gram truffles or something.

[01:32:52] Adam: Recreational dose is what I call it.

[01:32:53] Luke: Yeah. It started to come on, and the vibe was feeling good, and so I took a little bit more and started getting pretty deep into it and thought, "This feels pretty good." Took a little more and so on, and after a couple of hours, I am tripping balls. And I'm not exaggerating.

[01:33:17] I have never laughed as hard and as long as I did that day. And anyone that's taking shrooms will know this. But this was on another level, and at one point, my people around me are like, "Dude, you're eating more." They're phasing out. And I'm like, "I'm just on my way up. I don't know what's happening here, but I feel better and better the more I take."

[01:33:44] And it wasn't even counting really at that point. But everyone else going inside, and I'm out in the field, or in the forest rather, playing in the creek, just eating watercress, and just out of my mind in the best way. And so many things were funny that day, but the funniest thing was, at a moment I got scared, and I tried to do the math and add up how many grams I had taken. Because everyone is gone, and I'm still out there and I'm asking myself, "Am I all right here?"

[01:34:17] And it sounds weird to say the mushrooms told me. I don't know if it was my higher self, God, consciousness, or what. But as I started to get in my head about it, what I perceived was that the mushrooms were showing me how silly it was to try to quantify their magic with some sort of manmade numbers.

[01:34:40] And then it became just so hilarious that I just kept eating more and more, and they were going, "You're fine, dude. You're safe. You're amongst safe people. You're in a beautiful place. No one's going to get weird with you. Even if you're being super weird and they're all phasing out, they don't care. They love you. They accept you for who you are."

[01:34:58] And so it was a very liberating experience in my relationship with mushrooms because I realized, to your point, that it's an individual experience as far as the dosing. And I think when you're just starting out, it's good to pay attention to the numbers.

[01:35:13] And that's why yours are quantified per milligram. They're very accurately measured and things like that. So there's something definitely to that. But I think once one starts to establish that relationship, that all of those confines and rules start to become a little unnecessary, if not irrelevant.

[01:35:32] And so since then, unless it's a workday like today or something-- I only took half a capsule. I'm being a little more mindful about it. But if I was going for a hike, to me, it wouldn't make a big difference if it was a half gram, a whole gram, or whatever. As long as the environment and the people in the environment are predictable, and I know that it's going to be safe and good energy, and I'm not going to run into any weird vibes or any kind of darkness, then it's the breaks are off, and I just feel free to do whatever I feel like doing, whatever I'm called to do. But I'll never forget that day. I was just crying, laughing.

[01:36:11] Adam: Isn't that wonderful?

[01:36:12] Luke: Yeah. And that was the big joke, is like, dude, you're trying to measure something that is immeasurable. And also, to your point of the mycelial network, I also had this innate understanding that mushrooms, at first I thought, "Wow, they're taking care of me, and I'm safe to work with them because they're my friends."

[01:36:33] And then even quickly beyond that, it was like, "No, we're not your friends. We're your family. We are you. You're part of the natural world. You're not someone who is recreating or recreating by being out in the forest and playing in nature and experiencing the mushrooms as part of nature, and you're observing or participating in nature."

[01:36:57] What it showed me was I actually am nature. And that's when it became really funny to try to count the number of milligrams and grams. I was just like, "No, dude. Me and the mushrooms and all these other plants and all these other living beans out here on top of the soil, beneath the soil, the sky, we're actually all just one living organism. And our senses trick us into thinking there's any separation between any of it."

[01:37:22] And it changed my life. It was one of the most profound experiences, and it didn't include crying, any shadow work, my core wounds, or any of the things that. I've worked on those things with mushrooms too, but I think of an ayahuasca journey where you might dredge up all this darkness and process it and heal.

[01:37:40] And I think that was one of the most healing mushroom experiences because I was just fucking free. And what was revealed when I allowed myself to be free was so much joy and laughter. It was just absurd how happy I was.

[01:37:58] Adam: Yeah. Look, within the context that a lot of people need something, some drinks on a weekend, to rip a bong, or smoke a joint, I am a big fan of recreational mushroom use in relationship to alcohol particularly. You can't come home and eat four squares of chocolate every day. It's not going to be as effective. But on a weekend, once a month, twice a month, the experience that you'll have on the recreational dose, scene and setting, set and setting, there's different ways to term it-- it definitely matters.

[01:38:40] You want to be around good people, and you want have some control of your-- not necessarily control of your environment, but you don't want to be promiscuous with the environment that you're in. You want to enjoy the environment that you're in. But recreational dosing is great.

[01:38:55] My wife and I split a chocolate at an afternoon party a couple of weeks ago. It was strong chocolates, 750 milligrams, but the potent 750. And  I was looking at her, and I felt like I was 19 again. Like, "Oh my God, she's so beautiful. Does she love me?" I'm laughing, and it's this adolescent kind of insecurity came in, but it was so fun. It was like dancing with it, laughing, and then marveling at the clouds.

[01:39:29] The Central Texas clouds around the sunset can be some days just unbelievable. Just marveling at the clouds. Then we came home, and with the kids, we watched the weird Al Yankovic movie, which the first two thirds of it are like-- when it really stays within what is doing well-- really funny and really good. It loses itself at the end. That's another story.

[01:39:48] But laugh my ass off, made love, went to bed, woke up the next morning, 6:00 AM, cleaned the entire kitchen and then set a personal best on the Peloton. Won my group out of 50 people breathing only through my nose. Where are you going to do that on four or five beers or a couple of glasses of wine? It's never going to happen. It's such a more enjoyable, loving, pleasant experience.

[01:40:10] You also sense other people's energy. I've been at parties. Where we live, there's a guy who throws a neighborhood party on New Year's and 4th of July, and it's the best party. Everybody from the whole community comes out. It's great. And I was on 880 milligrams of psilocybin. I'd eaten four squares of this one chocolate bar. And I'm cruising altitude. It's just delightful and loving.

[01:40:36] Luke: Cruising altitude.

[01:40:36] Adam: Yeah, that's what I call-- cruising altitude.

[01:40:38] Luke: I like that.

[01:40:39] Adam: You can do it on Black Stack. You can take two to five or six Black Stack and hit cruising altitude. So I'm at cruising altitude, and the music's great. The people are great, the conversations are great, and the lift off on alcohol and psilocybin is not all that different. But as soon as alcohol goes dark, psilocybin stays bright, and you're like, "See you later."

[01:41:03] So I'm at the party, and right about 10:30, guys are talking too close to me. It's a little too macho, a little too aggressive. And I'm like, "Hey, love you. See you later." And I just rode my bike home and felt great, and it was a great night. But your ability to perceive the environment, perceive the energy, and then preserve it for yourself and your wellbeing is so acutely honed that I was just out of there when I was done. And I'm just very aware of how the liftoffs can be similar, but one stays really loving and delightful while the other one inevitably goes a little dark, silly, or stupid, blah, blah, blah.

[01:41:38] Luke: Or just sloppy.

[01:41:38] Adam: Yeah, sloppy. So you're out of there. And then you feel great the next day. You're up and going about your business. So can't be abused. The mushrooms won't even let you abuse it. The amazing thing about psilocybin is it's non-addictive, and it's anti addictive.

[01:41:56] They make you less addictive to other behaviors, which is what's so fascinating. And basically, the culmination of the science-- and I've read the science. I look at the science, I watch the science, and they do the science with fundamentally synthetic psilocybin, which is stupid science, whatever.

[01:42:14] This is a synthetic fabrication of the psilocybin molecule as opposed to the whole fruit being grown, dehydrated, and ground. So you have a myriad of other alkaloids and components in there that inform on the experience as opposed to single molecule extraction. Not a fan of single molecule extraction really with anything, especially psilocybin.

[01:42:33] That's our company philosophy and my own personal philosophy. But the science can basically be construed as this. Psilocybin mushrooms move your brain in a beneficial direction, whether you're aware of it or not, and we really don't know why it happens. It just happens. Now, what I find is if you're microdosing with some intentionality, then the recreation of those neuro pathways can really put the wind in your sails, and you can really make some life changes.

[01:43:03] If you just want to, "Hey, I'm going to work on this one thing in my life. I got a project, I got an idea, I got a personal goal, and I'm going to microdose with intentionality," it's a really great way to go about microdosing, and to use it for 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 months while you're going to attain something.

[01:43:17] Because microdosing creates new neuroplasticity, so you create new neuro pathways in a beneficial direction, and then it regenerates old neuro pathways that have been damaged or you've gotten away from. So it's neuro regenerative. I personally feel one of the amazing things about psilocybin and why it's so effective is I think it wakes up pre-traumatic neuro pathways from when we're a child, and we just thought of life in a more innocent and happy way, and that part of the brain has just gone dormant.

[01:43:49] I think the psilocybin knows I'm going to wake that part of your brain up. So I personally feel that's why psilocybin is so benefit, because I feel it's waking up parts of our brain that have gone dormant, and I often feel that there are parts of our brand that are either ancient and naturally want us to be happy, or there are parts of our brain that are pre-trauma, very early, early, childhood memories, experience pure love, relationship to your mother, to nature, to whatever it might have been before any cognition suppressed that or altered that.

[01:44:25] The other thing with psilocybin, and this is my own personal theory and our company theory-- I haven't read any research on this, but psilocybin is a very powerful anti-inflammatory, and it's a neuro anti-inflammatory. So it reduces inflammation in your brain, it reduces ocular inflammation, and it reduces inflammation in the inner ear, which is why I think I've had many clients that see a little better when they started microdosing.

[01:44:51] They use their glasses less. It's not life changing, miraculous, but subtle improvements in vision, subtle improvements in hearing, and on multiple occasions, tinnitus or tinnitus has gone away and stopped.

[01:45:03] Luke: I need to take more mushrooms then.

[01:45:05] Adam: Because I think it reduces the ocular information.

[01:45:08] Luke: That totally makes sense.

[01:45:09] Adam: Yeah. And so you just see better. You hear a little better.

[01:45:12] Luke: I definitely observed early on in my microdosing journey that colors became more vibrant. Things look more crisp and a little clear. I have my glasses on right now just because you're a little blurry that far away. But there's definitely something to be said for-- and the way music sounds, the way you hear, if you're out in the environment, you go, "Wow, I never noticed there were so many birds in this park." All of your senses, I think, are heightened in a beautiful way. So that's been my experience too.

[01:45:45] I want to let people know before-- because some people listen all the way through and some don't. I meant to say this earlier, but I'm guessing there's a lot of people listening that are like, "This sounds cool. I want to try this," or, "I've tried it myself, and did it wrong or whatever," or "Got some that didn't work." So you guys listening, if you want to check this out, I can vouch for it.

[01:46:07] As I said, I've been on his products for a while. For the next 60 days, after the time of this release, if you go to brainsupreme.co-- that's .co, not.com-- and use the code LUKE20, you'll get yourself 20% off. Now, if it's after that 60 day mark, the code will still work. The code, again, is LUKE, but it'll be 15% off. So I want to let people know that. And that'll be in the show notes and clickable on all the apps and all that too. So don't think, if you're driving, you have to stop and pause and write it down.

[01:46:40] What I want to get into are the different formulas, because that's something, when I first heard about this, the Paul Stamets and these guys are using some B vitamins and niacin, and there's different things that people have blended, and you have these different blends that all have-- they're nootropics or supplements added in. So talk to me about the blends and why you chose the other constituents to potentiate the psilocybin effect in one direction or the other.

[01:47:07] Adam: I'm going to come to that one second. Just from a standpoint of responsibility, I just wanted to go over counter indications, contraindications.

[01:47:15] Luke: Oh yeah, please do.

[01:47:16] Adam: And things to be a little bit of a warning about. So fortunately, Fadiman and Stamets have both been collecting reports on their apps and so forth, and there's not a single counterindication for psilocybin ever known, especially at the microdosing level. So it's not going to have a negative impact with any pharmaceutical product you're on, any painkiller, any drug, anything like that.

[01:47:41] That said, if you're on an SSRI or SNRI antidepressant, especially long term, there's about a 50% chance that the receptors in your brain that absorb psilocybin are going to get blocked, and it might not be effective for you. Now, you can responsibly, with the care of probably a naturopathic practitioner or somebody who's hip to it, scale down on your antidepressant and stay with microdosing. And you can replace one with the other. But that's something that really has to be approached very responsibly and so forth because you're getting into real mental health issues.

[01:48:12] Luke: Under the care of a medical professional. And this is not medical advice.

[01:48:16] Adam: Yeah. Something along those lines.

[01:48:18] Luke: I can vouch for that. As someone who was on antidepressants before, I just took myself off, and it was a freak and nightmare.

[01:48:25] Adam: Yeah, it's hard. It's hard.

[01:48:26] Luke: This is like last week.

[01:48:27] Adam: But you can scale down.

[01:48:28] Luke: Just kidding. It was 25 years ago.

[01:48:30] Adam: You can scale down, and microdosing can really help replace. I am not a big fan of using cannabis and psilocybin, even at the microdosing level, at the same time. I have seen and coach people chronic pain that a microdose in the morning often helps reduce chronic pain.

[01:48:51] Cannabis in the evening helps reduce the chronic pain. I've had several clients who've been able to take themselves off painkillers and so forth by using the microdosing in the morning and the cannabis in the evening. I don't like the idea of using both at the same time, particularly if you're a heavy cannabis user and you're dabbing.

[01:49:08] Luke: That sounds like a nightmare.

[01:49:11] Adam: Yeah. The only negative thing that's ever happened, feedback that I've gotten on the product, is a client who was dabbing and microdosing at the same time. It just made their brain go haywire.

[01:49:21] Luke: Oh my God. I can't imagine the chaos.

[01:49:24] Adam: For your listeners who don't know, dabbing is when you take an extracted form of very high potent cannabis. It's often going to be in the oil form, plus 90% THC. So one little dab can be the equivalent of smoking six indoor joints, six or seven indoor joints. So it's pretty heavy duty. I don't like the idea of doing those two at the same time.

[01:49:44] And if you've ever suffered from seizures, there's some research indicates psilocybin helps reduce seizures. There's other research that indicates that it might trigger seizures. So very few in far between. But if you've ever suffered from a seizure, you want to very cautiously begin the microdosing approach.

[01:49:59] And the last thing, sometimes a microdosing, the first three days, some people get a little sleepy or tired in the morning. Now, this is usually because you're fatigued. So the thing with microdosing, the thing with psilocybin is that it's going to take you where you need to be, not always where you want to go.

[01:50:21] So if you are deeply fatigued, chronically fatigued, it might want to put you down for a nap in the morning. It's also, I found, psilocybin, even at the microdosing level, is a really powerful indicator of where you might be nutritionally lacking or where some of your injuries or stress points might be in your life. So the sleepiness usually only last three days, and it's almost always an indication of dehydration and improper mineralization.

[01:50:48] So I've never not had this been successful. When people say, "Hey, I get sleepy," I'm like, "Okay, drink more good water, get a quality salt, Celtic salt, sea salt, maybe pink salt, the Himalayan salt under the tongue, first thing in the morning with a glass of lemon water." That's going to give you 91 or 92 trace minerals, which, depending on which salt you're taking, it's a great way to mineralize.

[01:51:09] And that will usually balance your brain out from a mineralization standpoint, a little bit of magnesium at night before you go to bed, and it'll end the sleepiness that comes with psilocybin. Those are really the only, I don't want to say, side effects, but those are only the really sometimes negative counter indications that we've run into over almost seven years of doing this now. So that's that.

[01:51:31] Now, getting into the specific formulas that we created, yeah. Stamets was on Rogan seven years ago or something, and he talked about adding a niacin and lion's mane to juice up your microdose. And that's true, although the level of niacin that he recommends is very, very high for most people.

[01:51:53] He recommends 50 milligrams, which will cause a niacin flush for the vast majority of people. Sometimes people can get a niacin flush. A niacin flush is when you feel like you've got a sauna on the inside. It's not necessarily unhealthy for you. It can be good because it leads to autophagy, cellular flushing, and so forth.

[01:52:09] But a little bit of niacin and lion's mane are very effective. But literally, psilocybin works synergistically almost with every nutrient, some more pronounced than others. And that's really like the secret sauce of what we discovered. We realized that other functional mushrooms, certain vitamins and certain nutrients, when combined, will synergistically boost, benefit, and support the psilocybin and the microdosing process.

[01:52:39] And so what we do with Genius is, we basically take some of the most established amino acid nootropics, and we blend that in. So basically, a microdose of psilocybin is the best nootropic. And a nootropic is the category of nutrients, herbs, amino acids that support neurocognition and brain health.

[01:52:58] Caffeine is a nootropic. Psilocybin is a nootropic. The amino acids L-theanine, L-tyrosine are nootropics. The plant extract alpha GPC is a nootropic. So nootropics are the category of herbs and amino acids that support brain function. Psilocybin is the best nootropic in the world. All the other nootropics wish they could be as effective as psilocybin. But when you combine the psilocybin with the other nootropics, it's even more effective. So Genius is our most nootropic formulation.

[01:53:26] Luke: This is this one right here, Genius. I like your branding. It is like your company slogan, "next level shit." I love that one. So this one has alpha GPC, L-theanine. What's it? Guarana.

[01:53:43] Adam: Guarana.

[01:53:45] Luke: Guarana, organic green tea extract, and vitamin C.

[01:53:49] Adam: Yeah.

[01:53:51] Luke: And so this one is designed specifically for brain function.

[01:53:54] Adam: Brain function.

[01:53:55] Luke: Yeah. I think this is the one I've taken the most. Then you gave me one of your black label or whatever.

[01:53:59] Adam: Black Stack.

[01:54:00] Luke: Yeah. And that one I was like, "Well, that's strong. Go easy."

[01:54:03] Adam: Yeah, Genius is our flagship if you're--

[01:54:05] Luke: Is this the most popular one?

[01:54:06] Adam: That's our top seller. It's our flagship. And it's the one I recommend most people start with. But also, you could look at the site, and you can intuit, like, do you need the head support? Or maybe you want the heart support. So then we've got fuel. Did you get the Athlete?

[01:54:23] Luke: This is Athlete.

[01:54:23] Adam: Okay, so athlete is our performance one. We blend with natural T boosters and hormone boosters and also cardiovascular support. So I like Athlete in and of itself. But I also like to stack Athlete either with Feel Good or with Genius. For me, my owner's formula is two Genius, one Athlete, two Athlete, one Genius, or sometimes two Genius and two Athlete. That's my performance dosing sweet spot for me.

[01:54:53] Luke: And then tell me about the Feel Good.

[01:54:55] Adam: So Feel Good is if you sense that you want the support of the emotions, the heart, the libido. That's what Feel Good's about.

[01:55:04] Luke: And this one, it's got hemp extract, ashwagandha, damiana. Oh, damiana. Yeah. This is the horn dog one, right?

[01:55:11] Adam: Mm-hmm.

[01:55:13] Luke: L-theanine, maca root, passion flower, rhodiola, and vitamin C.

[01:55:17] Adam: Yeah.

[01:55:18] Luke: That's cool.

[01:55:19] Adam: Yeah, it's cool.

[01:55:19] Luke: These are some cool blends.

[01:55:20] Adam: Yeah. We gave a lot of thought to that, and we did a lot of research. I have a science partner who's quite genius at this. I'm the sales marketing idea guy, and then he does the deep dives and researches, and we've been at it for a very long time. Plus, he can speak a couple of different languages. So we get literature from other countries on mushrooms. For instance, Finland and Russia are very sophisticated with mushroom sciences and so forth. There's a lot of interesting research and ideas that come from those areas.

[01:55:51] Luke: And you've also got chaga, reishi, cordyceps, and lion's mane.

[01:55:54] Adam: Yeah, we pixie dust that in there as well too.

[01:55:56] Luke: Cool. Yeah, That's so dope. And then tell me about this one, the Black Stack. Yeah, this is the one you gave me the last time I saw you.

[01:56:05] Adam: In terms of paying for key ingredient, Black Stack only has 30 capsules, but it's got 7.5 total grams of the secret ingredient. All the other products have six grams. So for in terms of bang for the buck, even though it's got the less capsules, it's got the most of the secret ingredient.

[01:56:19] So here's the thing. Look, if you want to do a psychedelic level therapeutic dosage, our product is really not designed for that. Our product is a supplement or maybe hit a little bit of cruising altitude, slightly recreational.

[01:56:33] Luke: Right. I just noticed this in the background dosage. You have runway, one to two capsules, lift off, three to four, and then airborne five plus. I've never heard that airborne before. I like that.

[01:56:43] Adam: Yeah, we call that cruising altitude. And so we specifically wanted to be in the supplement space. We're not trying to be shroomy, stoney. I think recreation is valuable for all of us. But that's our space. That's really where we're going after.

[01:57:00] Psilocybin works very well synergistically with high quality vitamin C. It helps in the conversion process from psilocybin to psilocin, which is the component that your brain absorbs. Psilocin, sorry. It's a very complex word. Some people pronounce psilocin, other psilocin. You eat psilocybin, hits your liver, comes psilocin. That conversion process is facilitated with vitamin C. So we add vitamin C to everything.

[01:57:24] Luke: Is that why lemon tekking mushrooms makes it so much stronger?

[01:57:28] Adam: Yes. And that's why if you're doing heavy recreational or therapeutic dosages, you can do a lemon extraction, citric acid, lemon extraction, and then hot water extraction. So first you chop them or grind them, you put them in a lemon juice water bath for about 15 minutes, and then you bring water to the boil, take the water off the boil, dump the mushrooms in.

[01:57:48] You can put in some peppermint, chamomile. Ginger tea is very good, a little more lemon, little raw honey. Cover it, and let it hot water extract for about 25 minutes. Then pour it through a fine strainer and get the back of a ladle and press it all the way through. And just make sure you measure out equal amounts of water to equal amounts of original mushrooms. So if you're working 1.5 grams per person, 10 ounces of water per person. You're going to finish with equal amounts.

[01:58:15] Luke: The lemon tekking is really trippy, no pun intended, because of how it potentiates the strength.

[01:58:22] Adam: Yes. When you do both citric acid and hot water, you get the full extraction.

[01:58:29] Luke: Yeah. I've only done that once. It was on a hunting trip, sacred hunting, a couple years ago when I first moved here. And they're brewing up the tea, my friend, Monsa. And then everyone had the same size cup, and I was like, "Well, what's the equivalent? How many grams are in there?" He is like, "Oh, it's two and a half grams."

[01:58:45] And I was like, "Ah, no problem." Drank a cup of that, dude, and I was laying out in the field like, "Whoa." It was hardcore. But what was interesting is I had a much easier time physically. Sometimes if I do a higher dose of mushrooms, I'll get headachey, and it's a little rough on the body at higher doses.

[01:59:06] And then also, it can last quite a long time. And so it's a big commitment. And I noticed that day that it came on really fast. I felt really good in my body. I didn't feel nauseous at all or have any headache or sweaty. I was very comfortable in my body. It was super, super powerful. And then when it wore off, it was gone in 30 minutes, and I felt totally sober again.

[01:59:33] Adam: It lasted just 30 minutes?

[01:59:34] Luke: No. When it started to--

[01:59:37] Adam: Oh yeah, the tail was just 30 minutes.

[01:59:38] Luke: Yeah. It started to fade out, and I thought, "Wow, I'm feeling back to normal. This is weird." Because normally, mushrooms, it doesn't just end. It's like an off-ramp that's a couple of hours. And yeah, I started to feel normal and within an hour or something, I could've totally driven a car, ended up going and slaughtering a hog, actually.

[02:00:01] And I thought this is going to be super creepy and weird, all the blood and guts, if I'm shrooming. But by the time I got to the shed where we were doing it, I thought, "Man, I'm actually pretty sober." It was really weird how quickly it wore off, and when it was off, I was back to normal.

[02:00:17] Adam: Yeah. It's actually my preferred way for slightly larger recreational and therapeutic doses. There's a lot of therapists, shamans, who like the idea of holding the mushroom and actually eating it and chewing it in the saliva enzymes that go down.

[02:00:33] So there's a strong case made for that. I just find the onset and absorption with the double extraction technique to be cleaner, and crisper, and so forth. Depends on setting and who's-- if I'm in a therapeutic setting with a practitioner who likes to hold it and chew it, I'm going to honor that for sure.

[02:00:55] Luke: Yeah. You're not going to be the lone wolf. I'm doing it my way. Let's go back to the addiction piece. From my own experience, as you know, I've had a very cautious relationship with mind-altering substances because I had such a difficult time with so many of the addictive ones earlier in life.

[02:01:15] And the thing I've found with mushrooms that's really interesting, to your point of them not being addictive, is the only problem I have with mushrooms is I literally just forget that I have so much of it in the house at any given time. My house that's located, of course, outside of the United States. And I just forget to take them.

[02:01:36] And I'm someone I can get addicted to freaking anything. I'm just wired that way. That's so interesting. I've never had a day where I'm like, I take one capsule and think, "Oh man, I better take another one, and then another one and another one." Or even like, "Oh, I'm going to take this every day."

[02:01:51] I can't habituate myself to it, let alone become addicted. I have to put them in the front of my cabinet, like your products, just to remember to do it. I have to build it in like a supplement. It's not something I'm thinking about, obsessing about, craving. I'm not sweating on my way home, like, I got to get home to those mushrooms.

[02:02:10] I know what it feels like to be addicted or even to just have a habit around something. And in my experience as a former addict, it has been literally impossible to abuse mushrooms ever except as I said earlier in life, when I just did it in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong people and all that.

[02:02:28] But I think that's super weird that there are these substances that someone who's a bit more square would classify, "Oh, those are drugs, and we'll put them in the camp of crystal meth, cocaine, heroin, alcohol, the addictive drugs." And they would just lump LSD, ayahuasca, psilocybin, DMD-- all these other things-- in one camp, in terms of their ability to be addictive. And these just, in my experience, aren't. You literally can't get addicted to it. Have you ever heard of anyone that's a shroom head that does it too often?

[02:03:05] Adam: I'm going to answer that first part first. For me, I feel that they're sentient beings and that mushrooms are using us as much as we're using them, and that a part of mushrooms are self-preservation. They want the planet to be here. They need you to be here, and they certainly need this planet to be here in order for them to have their existence. And so part of the reason why they move you to a higher way of being in every way is because they need you to be the best you so they can be the best of them and have the fullness of their experience.

[02:03:45] Luke: That's interesting.

[02:03:46] Adam: Yeah. I feel that mushrooms are literally using me as much as I'm using them, and it's a completely harmonious, complementary, synergistic relationship to a mutual benefit. And along those lines, they get a bad reputation if they were addictive. So they're anti addictive.

[02:04:13] And I have found that a lot. Maybe four or 500 times people come up to me and say, "Well, interesting. I just find I'm drinking less, or I'm smoking less pot." My first revelation on this was when I was still in Northern California and we were still beta developing the product. We'd go to this one restaurant in Santa Rosa, really delicious restaurant.

[02:04:33] Luke: That's where I'm from.

[02:04:35] Adam: Oh. Yeah, that's right. Hold on. I'm going to remember in a second. God, the chef was a friend of mine too. Excuse me, I'll recall in a second. But it was a San Francisco chef, and he was cooking at this restaurant in Sebastopol. His cuisine was like delicious, hardy, and nutritionally dense, Northern Californian ingredients with a southern perspective.

[02:04:55] And then when he'd finish his shift, he'd line the shots up. He's a younger Irish guy. He shots up 3, 4, 5 shots, driving home a little drunk every night. And I gave him some Brain Supreme, and he calls me up two weeks later. He was like, "Hey, man." It was 10 o'clock at night.

[02:05:09] He was like, "I'm driving home, and I just realized I haven't had a drink in two weeks." And like, "Have you heard this? Does your product make people stop drinking? Because it's the only thing different I'm doing." I'm like, "I'm newer to this industry, but yeah." And now I've heard that all the time.

[02:05:24] I'm smoking less weed. I am drinking less. I just hold one drink at the party. I have to admit, one of the nice things about the performance dosing is I come back from the gym horny as hell. I can chase my wife around, and she'll acquiesce. That experience is a 10, 15% bump, better experience as well. It's one of the nice benefits.

[02:05:49] But even the thing with the libido, I'm not lustful at the gym looking at all the yoga pants. I am more aroused, but it's for my partner. It's for my wife. It's in a healthier direction. So it's very interesting. They just have this way of moving you in these beneficial directions, even the playful, horny, naughty kind of things like that. No, not good there. Very good here. So it's fascinating.

[02:06:20] Luke: Well, to your point of them having this synergistic mutually beneficial relationship, the reciprocity there is, if you follow that line of thinking that they in their consciousness would want you to procreate with someone you love, that's going to be supportive of your family and your other kids and things like that, more so than doing something deleterious to your relationship or yourself or the other person.

[02:06:43] Adam: Yeah. 100%.

[02:06:44] Luke: That's a trip.

[02:06:45] Adam: Yeah, 100%. So I've heard this with pornography addictions, alcohol addictions, drug addictions, gambling addictions. They just all, not necessarily completely go away, but the urgency of those addictions just speaks to you at a lower volume, gnaw you at a lower volume.

[02:07:03] I've many, many instances and reports of that, which makes me feel wonderful because the level of even social alcoholism these days is really quite extraordinary. And I've had so many friends and colleagues and customers between microdosing and then the occasional recreational dose. That's all they do now. And they do it even less. They do that once a month, "Hey, I'm going to ACL. I'm going to eat three triangles."

[02:07:30] Luke: Three triangles. Where do you see your company going? What's your vision for the next two, five years?

[02:07:38] Adam: Great question. So I'm giving that a lot of thought. I want to hit a nice cruising altitude. When we have 10,000 monthly orders and subscribers, it's a great business. I'm going to have 20 people that our business is supporting, and they're making a really nice living, and we're doing great work in the world. And we can control the quality. We can fly under the radar enough and build a really prosperous small, medium-sized business.

[02:08:14] So we're probably going to cap our company when we're at the 10,000 auto-renewal level. We're about one third of the way there. We're very generous with pausing the auto-renewal, freezing and so forth. I'm not going to hard sell. There's no desperate urgency. But if you do like it, the auto-renewal helps us as a company, and we will hit that point of where we're going to cap it.

[02:08:34] I just feel like, for obvious reasons, it's smarter. It's safer. We're paying our taxes. We're building a good company. We support a couple of different veterans’ groups and organizations. The older I get, I just want to hit quality singles. The whole home run days are over. I got burned pretty hard in there..

[02:08:53] Luke: Sounds like it.

[02:08:55] Adam: Yeah. So if I can build a business and I've got 10,000 orders going out a month, and there's 10,000 happy people, and I've got 15 or 20 employees, and they're making a nice living, and we're building some community, and we can continue with our social outreach, particularly with veterans causes and first responders, and start to support a couple of those organizations that we're partnering with and so forth, that, to me, is a real nice definition of success and where I'd like to be with the company.

[02:09:25] Luke: That's cool. So you're not like, scale, scale, scale.

[02:09:28] Adam: No.

[02:09:29] Luke: Tell me about the cultivation and the strains. The mushroom aficionados out there might've heard of Golden Teacher or Penis Envy and some of these different looking and different mushrooms that have different personalities too. I know Mushroom Shaman uses Golden Teachers exclusively. Doesn't use any other strain of mushroom. I know others that use Penis Envy and whatnot. And you guys, from what I understand, have a proprietary strain. Tell me about that strain and how and where approximately the mushrooms are grown.

[02:10:03] Adam: Yeah. I'm the idea sales and marketing for our company. My partner does the science end, and I let that magic be. So as a general understanding, and take this or leave it, but the idea that mushrooms with a thin stem and a broad cap are more for your head. Mushrooms with a broader stem and a smaller cap are a little bit more body and mind in combination.

[02:10:35] So strains like ghost, strains like Texas teacher, strains like Golden Teacher, those were historically-- first off, they're the ones that grew in poop most prevalently throughout parts of the United States, the Golden Teacher. The Penis Envy strain comes originally from Brazil. It's fascinating. No one really quite knows how. Crap, what's the name of that guy who had the show on Vice, and he is got a podcast.

[02:11:10] Luke: Hamilton?

[02:11:11] Adam: Hamilton's got a great episode on the origins of the Penis Envy, and it's mythical the way it came. Came from Brazil. And then a guy from Northern California who's very, very secretive, who's older right now, cultivated and develop it. But for most people, from a recreational standpoint, Penis Envy and Albino Penis Envy are considered like the premier strains because they're delightfully in the body, and they're just enough in the head. And it's the most playful. If you think, it looks like a penis. So it's playful. It's like a floppy cock.

[02:11:43] Luke: The name is not an accident.

[02:11:45] Adam: It's playful, and it's--

[02:11:47] Luke: If anyone Googles Penis Envy right now, you'd be like, "Oh yeah, I get it."

[02:11:50] Adam: Right. So from the recreational marketing standpoint, the proliferation of chocolate bars and other things like that these days that people are finding, those tend to be the Penis Envy strain. We were bringing over genetics from Europe and then Albino Penis Envy, Penis Envy, and a few other strains.

[02:12:10] I don't quite know my partner's methodologies, but we would use light. We would use sound. We would use intentionality. We would have the substrate, and we would grow multiple strains. So at first we were growing our multiple three or four strains for our blend. And then, I swear to you, one day, one strain just emerged, and we named it Russian Envy.

[02:12:36] And it's the most beautiful, glorious. It's got this big, thick bluish stem, and then a nice medium-sized head on it. It's not an Albino Penis Envy. It's not a Penis Envy. And it seemed to assimilate these qualities of this intention and desire that we had, that we were infusing into our growth base.

[02:13:01] And then we took that mushroom, created spores in that mushroom, and that's the mushroom that we proliferated. So somehow we seem to have developed our own strain. We've never seen it anywhere else, a mushroom that looks quite like this and that acts quite like this. And for us, it's almost as if-- and this happens a lot, the mushrooms understood our intentionality, and they made us work a little bit. And after three years, it gave us this.

[02:13:31] Luke: That's so cool.

[02:13:32] Adam: It's so cool. It's a little like hocus pocusy, but it's so cool.

[02:13:37] Luke: From their time of inception, how long does it take this particular strain of mushrooms to reach its maturity?

[02:13:45] Adam: Basically, you can pull harvest every month. And the thing with mushrooms is it's janitorial. Once you get your process down, you just got to keep everything really clean and sanitary, filter the air, good air filtration, proper amounts of light, proper amounts of darkness, controlling your humidity levels. And then my partner developed a substrate blend. There's an exotic zoo poop network where you can order different types of exotic poop; giraffe, rhinoceros.

[02:14:20] Luke: Really?

[02:14:20] Adam: Yeah. A water buffalo. So he did his magic. He researched all these different types of substrate from different parts of the world, was able to connect to different cultivators, zoos, and so forth. And so he's created this proprietary substrate that we grow in. And then we have the purification machines, the distillation machines, so it's distilled.

[02:14:43] So basically, we created this proprietary substrate, and then we kept using the type of mushrooms. He was doing some other things along the way I'm not entirely sure of. We just operate in our lanes. And then this Russian Envy mushroom appeared after about three and a half years of cultivating four particular times of mushroom for what we called our proprietary mushroom blend back then.

[02:15:08] It created this one type of mushroom, and then we perfected our substrate as well, which combines plant matter and animal matter from, I think, almost 10 different species of plants, animal, and so forth.

[02:15:23] Luke: So epic.

[02:15:24] Adam: Yeah. We gave it a lot of thought.

[02:15:26] Luke: Sounds like it. All right. I'm going to remind everyone again. Go to brainsupreme.co. Use that code LUKE20, if you hear this in 60 days. Otherwise, the code is LUKE. And even after 60 days, it'll get you 15% off. I'm excited to share this. I've talked about this topic here and there, but not really at depth.

[02:15:48] I think the last time I talked about microdosing was with Paul Austin from Third Wave a few years ago. But it is disappointing in the sense that we're sharing some really useful information with people and then like, and you guys got to go figure it out. Go to a breathwork class. Maybe you'll meet the guy, and he'll know the guy.

[02:16:09] I felt bad. I was like, "Well, this is such a beautiful practice, and it's been so supportive in my life." But I didn't really have anywhere to direct them. So today is an actionable way to do that. So thank you for taking whatever arrows you've taken to make that possible in your years in the hemp industry and all the things that you've done to create this in a way that's viable.

[02:16:32] My last couple questions are these: when you guys grow this particular strain in the magic ways you describe, are you doing an extract of the raw mushrooms, or is it just pulverized mushroom powder that's added into the capsules in the blend?

[02:16:49] Adam: Our company philosophy is very simple. We feel that God, the divine, put these of fungi here, this plant matter here, to help us, inform us, move us in beneficial directions. And so we believe in the whole fruiting body extract. We take the whole fruit, we grow them really well to the best of our abilities, we dry them properly, and then we grind them. So we use the whole fruit. I'm not a fan of single molecule extraction pretty much for anything when it comes to medicines and plant spaces, but particularly with psilocybin.

[02:17:31] Luke: Cool. Last question. Who have been three teachers or teachings that have influenced your life and your work that you'd like to share with us?

[02:17:39] Adam: So I had a mystical experience with Gurumayi Chidvilasananda. I'm not a devotee of Cityoga. I've never been, but I have to recognize that something unbelievable happened in that human being's presence that informed upon the rest of my life 100%. There was about six years of my life where I never missed an Agape.

[02:18:02] When I was living in California, in Southern California, with Dr. Reverend Michael Beckwith, those teachings and the distillation of that spirituality, the clarity of thought, getting into a little bit of law of attraction and how we think and the language that we use, that was very powerful and important for me. And then there was a guy in California, a Kundalini yoga teacher, very locally popular, but never really hit the global scene, and his name was Guru Singh at Yoga West.

[02:18:40] Luke: Yeah.

[02:18:41] Adam: And I was a real--

[02:18:42] Luke: He's been on the podcast.

[02:18:43] Adam: He has?

[02:18:44] Luke: Yeah. I used to go to his classes all the time.

[02:18:45] Adam: It's funny. I meant to talk to you about that because, whether it's projection or it happened, you just felt so familiar to me. The first time we met, I'd seen your podcast a bunch and so forth, but I'm like, "God, I feel like I know this guy." Pretty much from like 2002 to 2013 or '14, I was at his classes a lot.

[02:19:08] Luke: Dude, we would've been there at the same time in the latter years.

[02:19:11] Adam: The 6:30 PM class in the evenings, Tuesday, Thursday.

[02:19:14] Luke: Yeah. He'd have those big Post-its, and he'd draw all these diagrams about consciousness and stuff. I could listen to that guy forever. I was so excited.

[02:19:26] Adam: Yeah, he's amazing. Did you ever go to his-- now it's an industry, but he was the first one to make one of these sound beds. I forget the [Inaudible].

[02:19:34] Luke: Really?

[02:19:35] Adam: I was one of his students. He would leave, and I would tend to his garden. In fact, I have an amazing story about his bananas. So to answer your question, Guru Singh would probably be the third person who really influenced me. And then I'd also be remiss if I didn't mention Joseph Campbell, who both his books and his interview series with Bill Moyers were similar age.

[02:19:56] So we both got hip to that, The Power of Myth. This line that he had that I never forgot of a vital person vitalizes. That the point of your life, really, is to be vital, and in your vitality, you'll vitalize others. And I think about that a lot. So those are my four. Guru Singh was the mind-body connection, the breath work.

[02:20:24] So Gurumayi Chidvilasananda was that there's a mystical aspect of life that we don't understand, and it has a serious, wonderful, spiritual component to it, shaktipat. Had that in her presence. Beckwith is that your thoughts and your language, it really matters. So clean that up. Think about that. Use that effectively.

[02:20:48] Guru Singh was the body and the breath can really do miraculous things. And Joseph Campbell was this idea that we're here as a human being to vitalize ourselves. And in doing that, we vitalize the world around us.

[02:21:06] Luke: Epic, all four. I'm going to give you the extra because they're all so good. Yeah. I miss Guru Singh, man. Those were some really great classes.

[02:21:12] Adam: Oh yeah. So I meant tell you.

[02:21:14] Luke: The sound bed.

[02:21:15] Adam: Yes. Well, so yeah, he used to have this sound bed, and it was basically a series of speakers that he built into a cushion, and he was a musician. He'd fragrant oil, essential oil, and then he'd wrap your head really tight with earphones on, and he'd make the--

[02:21:32] Luke: The turban. Yeah.

[02:21:34] Adam: Yeah. And then he put these crystals in your hands, and you're in this carved out couch, and womp, womp, womp, womp. And he talked to you first, but he'd screw his vision. So he was just reading your energy. He's asking you questions, but it's just your energy. And then he would figure out what sounds are relevant to the energy that you need redirected and healed.

[02:21:52] And you would just-- I'm talking like the nether regions of the divine. It was extraordinary. Womp, womp, womp. And then you're gone, and 40 minutes later it's-- and you start to feel things. He takes the weight off your hands, the crystals, and it was amazing. So Guru Singh was kundalini yoga. So these are the Sikhs, Yogi Bhajan, [Inaudible], all that kind of stuff that emerged from that.

[02:22:19] And so he brought bananas back. He brought a banana sapling back. They're not trees. They're plants. He brought a banana. I think they're giant grasses actually. So he brought a banana back from India one time when he was studying with Yogi Bajan. And he planted these bananas in his backyard, and he was going out of town for a while, and then they had proliferated, and they would hit tons of these bananas.

[02:22:39] Now these were true Indian bananas, so they're shorter, fatter. And if you really let them ripe, they're almost juicy. If you've never had a true plant ripened banana, it's like an amazing experience. So he would say to me, listen, these are all going to come ripe, so chop them down, and don't let them go to waste.

[02:22:55] Just take them with you and everything. We only live 15 minutes away. I'm riding my cruiser bike with this huge hand of 40 bananas on my back. LA was great, man. And so I get home, and I had a friend at the time, and we were going to see Zakir Hussain at the Gerbo Center.

[02:23:13] Zakir Hussain is this incredible tabla player. And so I'm leaving with my friend for the concert, and I'm like, "These bananas are so truly Indian. I'm just going to take some, and maybe I'm going to bump into Zakir Hussain and give him some bananas."

[02:23:33] So this is back in the day when you could still walk into a concert without all the screening and everything else. So I take a hand of bananas, which I think is nine. I put this hand in my little bag, and we go to the concert, and the concert's amazing. He is hammering on the tabla. It's just ecstatic.

[02:23:47] And then afterwards I see a whole bunch of people in saris and Indian dress walking behind the stage, and I wimp out. And my friend's like, "Go, man. Go." And so I go and then I'm the last person in the elevator, and there's another white dude, graduate student at the elevator.

[02:24:02] And I'm like, "Do you know if this is the elevator that's going to go down to Zakir Hussain?" And he says, "Yeah, it is." And I'm like, "Do you know him?" He goes, "Yeah, he's my tabla teacher. He's doing a professorship at UCLA." And so I take these bananas out, and I'm like, "Will you give these to Zakir and tell him these are from my teacher's garden, and they were brought from India, and I only hope they remind him of his homeland, the way his music has brought me there."

[02:24:25] And we have this nice little interaction, and we leave. The next night, I'm working at this restaurant in Santa Monica at the time. I'm going to grad school, and I'm working at this restaurant called JiRaffe. And late at the end of the shift, my buddy comes in. His name is Adam, and there was only two tables left.

[02:24:41] It was Adam and his girlfriend, and then there was another table. They look young, like 20s, 30s, and everything. And it's on the corner of Santa Monica and 5th. The other table leaves, and then Adam leaves, and Adam walks outside.

[02:24:59] I'm like, "Oh Adam, I forgot to tell you about Guru Singh." Because we both were devotees of Guru Singh. "I've forgot to tell you about Guru s saying and Zakir Hussain concert." Because we both loved indie music at the time. And I start to tell them about the concert, the tabla, the back and forth, the sitar, and everything rocking.

[02:25:14] And the Four Top that had just left is standing on the corner, and they keep looking at me. And they're like, "Were you at the Zakir Hussain concert last night?" And I'm like, "Yeah." They're like, "We were there." I'm like, "Well, come on in. Join the conversation." So we all start chatting about the concert, and then I say to them, "Oh, Adam, I forgot to tell you. Guru Singh's Bananas got ripe, but I brought these bananas to the concert, and I gave them to this kid to give to Zakir Hussain." And the girl from the Four Top looks to me. She goes, "You are the guy that brought the bananas?" I'm like, "Yeah." She's like, "Zakir Hussain's my father."

[02:25:47] Luke: No way.

[02:25:47] Adam: She goes, "That was the best concert gift he's ever received. All of us family originally from Indian Pakistan, we ate these bananas, and it brought us back home. Thank you so much."

[02:25:59] Luke: Oh my God. Dude, that's epic.

[02:26:02] Adam: 13 million people within 90 square miles said like, "I meet the person. I meet Zakir's Hussain's daughter with those bananas."

[02:26:10] Luke: That's a beautiful story to end on and also one that is demonstrative of the power of intuition and following that little charm that we get introduced to sometimes. That's epic. Those bananas sound really good.

[02:26:26] Adam: They are.

[02:26:26] Luke: I'm getting hungry. I wish I had some right now. I try to eat seasonally and locally, so there's a lot of things like bananas I enjoy, but I'm like, bananas don't grow in Texas. I don't think my biology's going to recognize them if I eat them.

[02:26:37] Adam: Right.

[02:26:38] Luke: All right, dude. Well, it's been epic. Thank you so much.

[02:26:40] Adam: Thank you so much.

[02:26:41] Luke: Yeah. I'm glad we finally got to sit down and have a deep dive. We've talked a lot, but it's always fun doing the podcast with people I know, because we're going to talk longer and more deeply than we ever would if we're just hanging out at Carl's house. So it's great to get to know you even more.

[02:26:57] Adam: I also want to thank you, and I really mean this. I've been on a bunch of podcasts. I listen to a bunch of podcasts, and we're friends and so forth. But you do really brave work, being part of the truth community. And you relay the message in a way that it can then be related to other people, and it's so important.

[02:27:18] So I just applaud your bravery, and then I applaud the eloquence and thoughtfulness of your questions and literally your-- I used to teach a yoga class sometimes, and it would be perfect. And I'd be like, "Am I ever in my life going to do something so perfectly and really no one's going to really ever remember about it?" It's on such a small stage and everything. Your interview with Alex Jones was a masterclass of the truth movement. It was perfection.

[02:27:49] Luke: Wow, cool.

[02:27:52] Adam: And I finished listening to it today, and I was on three hours into my performance dose, and I teared up at the end of it when he talked about the selflessness and if he dies and so forth, and what that means. And I was like, "You're doing great work in the world, and I'm honored to call you a friend," until I've been on your podcast. So I just want to applaud you for the good deeds you're doing.

[02:28:18] Luke: Received. Thank you so much. Yeah, somebody's got to do it.

[02:28:22] Adam: That's a good job.

[02:28:23] Luke: But yeah, the Alex Jones, man, that was a really fun day.

[02:28:27] Adam: Yeah, you nailed it. Cheers.

[02:28:27] Luke: That was fun. I was like a kid in a candy store. He's a really interesting person, whether or not one agrees with his perspectives about things. Unfortunately, as I think I told him, a lot of his ideas on what's going to happen have come true, which sucks. I wish he was wrong more. But it was a really fun day just to have someone that's that big of a personality sitting there and be able to ask him all this shit. They're very authentic questions. These are things like, "Oh man, I wish I could ask him what he thinks about this and that, and this and that.

[02:28:59] Adam: You nailed it. You ran the whole gamut.

[02:29:00] Luke: He didn't disappoint.

[02:29:02] Adam: You ran the gamut of the truth movement and pitch tone, insight questions, letting him have the platform. It was brilliant.

[02:29:11] Luke: The only thing that surprised me was that he seemed surprised by how fake the moon landings were. He was like, "What? I don't know. Really?" I'm like, "Dude, it's so obvious at this point." And the Challenger. He didn't know about the Challenger, the six actronauts that supposedly died on the Challenger.

[02:29:31] Adam: I'm down all the same rabbit holes with you, man. We could talk for--

[02:29:34] Luke: They all magically had twins. There was a couple of things that I maybe educated him on, which was surprising to me. I thought he was going to be like, "Oh yeah, I'll tell you what really happened. It was the globalist." And he didn't. He was like, "Oh, wow. Okay. I didn't know that."

[02:29:48] Adam: Yeah.

[02:29:48] Luke: But other than that, it didn't disappoint. All right, brother.

[02:29:53] Adam: Thanks, man. Thanks so much.

[02:29:53] Luke: See you on the next one.

[02:29:54] Adam: Yeah.