[0:00:00] Luke Storey:  I'm Luke Storey. For the past 22 years, I've been relentlessly committed to my deepest passion, designing the ultimate lifestyle based on the most powerful principles of spirituality, health, psychology. The Life Stylist podcast is a show dedicated to sharing my discoveries and the experts behind them with you. Here we are back on the Life Stylist podcast. David Wolfe, what's up, dude?

[00:00:32]David Wolfe:  Dude, best day ever.

[00:00:33]Luke Storey:  Yeah. Isn't it, though? I love that in the face of absolute tyranny, some of us are able to drop into a place of like, wow, this is entertaining, if nothing else, right?

[00:00:47]David Wolfe:  Dude, the deep forest is a lot better than the deep state.

[00:00:50]Luke Storey:  Yeah, it is. You up in Canada right now?

[00:00:52]David Wolfe:  Yeah. Well, I'm in Northern Ontario right now, so we're out of the deep state. I mean, it's like I'm in a small little town near my house and my friend's little operation, she makes bug shirts. So, that's like what this stuff is. So, dude, when the bug season hits here, which is going to happen in like about a month, for like six weeks, you can't believe it, man. They're like tunneling. They'll burrow under your skin. It's intense.

[00:01:19]Luke Storey:  Wow. Really? Do those include ticks?

[00:01:23]David Wolfe:  Not very many ticks up here. It's a little too cold for ticks. It's black fly and mosquitoes. With the black fly, they eat into you. They're gnarly, bro.

[00:01:32]Luke Storey:  Yeah. I remember when I was a kid in Colorado getting horseflies out in the Aspen groves, going up through the mountains with my dad. And I mean, it's almost worse than a bee sting because it's like the impact of it. Bee sting kind of hurts, but then it hurts like spread out, it's diffused over the period of 20 minutes or whatever. A horsefly gets you, it's like something just took a chunk out of you like a small dog. It's gnarly.

[00:01:58]David Wolfe:  We have them up here. The worst is black fly. Horse flies aren't as abundant. I think it's a little bit too cold for them, too. I think mosquitoes are the second worst. We don't really have a tick problem up here. So, every ecosystem that you're in, there's some good, some bad. You can't say one place is better than another.

[00:02:18]Luke Storey:  Yeah. So, for those listening, I want to direct them back to our previous shows. I was looking at the numbers before we got on this call and we did episode 22 back in the beginning of my journey here, which is like I'm going on four years doing this podcast now. And then, the last one we did was in my old apartment, which was number 128. So, that's 22 and 128 for people that want to get more.

[00:02:43] But I just wanted to take a moment and really thank you for joining me on the show on episode 22 when I was just a guy that would come see you talk at the Longevity Now conferences and run into you here and there at Air1. And I really appreciated people like you in the beginning that had such a big name in the health industry that gave me the time of day or willing to sit down with the show that at that time, probably had like 200 listeners, where now, we're at 4.5 million or something. So, I honor you and thank you for your contribution early on. I really appreciated that.

[00:03:13]David Wolfe:  Dude, that's epic. That's so amazing. Four-and-a-half million listeners. Dude, I have to say, honestly, I sensed greatness in you. I saw a young Padawan and I perceived a Jedi knight coming out of that podcast. 

[00:03:28]Luke Storey:  Yeah. Thanks, dude. I found my dharma. It's like this is the shit that I've been into forever and just was sort of caught up in the Hollywood machine, and the entertainment industry, and all that. And not that there's anything wrong, I had an amazing career, but I don't think it was ever really where my heart was. It was just like it's better than being an unemployed musician, which is what I was before. So, yeah. So, anyway, I just wanted to get that out of the way.

[00:03:52] First thing I want to start with is let's talk censorship, dude. It is so out of control now, and I'll just preface its by saying, the good side of it is that I think even somewhat rational, moderate people that aren't into conspiracy theories, don't know what the deep state is, don't believe in flat earth, or that we didn't land on the moon, or Bigfoot, or chem trails, or whatever, they're, "Wait, what the fuck? This is becoming very authoritarian."

[00:04:27] And I'm just going to say, I called it when all the tech platforms converged at once in deep platform, Alex Jones, that's when I knew, when no one stood up for that guy, even conservatives were like, I will not say anything, that guy's weird, I knew whether or not people agree with him, or his perspective, or the way he delivers his content, or not, even if I hated that guy, I would have been fighting for his freedom of speech and freedom of press. And I thought it was really pathetic that people stood down and allowed that to happen because they went after the most controversial, most fringe guy, first as the first domino. And then, you were really the second guy that I saw and maybe Mercola, too, in the health and wellness industry getting hammered in the same way.

[00:05:17] And I was just going, dude, people, if you don't start standing up for this, and now, here we are, where like a soccer mom in Wisconsin that poses the question, "Hey, do you guys think vaccines are safe, have they been tested, on Facebook, gets de-platformed or at least, that post deleted, it's just complete authoritarian nightmare Orwellian zone now. So, take us down the journey of like your brand and your voice specifically, and when you started to get shut down, and why, and how has that evolved to where you are now?

[00:05:52]David Wolfe:  I've always handled all my own social media by myself most of the time over the years, and my goal always has been to eventually master it, eventually, I'll figure it out master it. And then, that led to massive breakthrough success with Facebook, as you know. I got to over 12-and-a-half million followers. And I cracked their code. I mean, I cracked it all the way. Just basically myself and two other people that I hired on, we cracked it all the way. 

[00:06:17] And we crushed it on that platform for a couple of years. And then, they're like, that's enough. And basically, what they did is they realized, it's kind of like what happened to Ross Perot, you might remember Ross Perot was very famous for selling, I think was IBM back in the day, and that's how he made his money. Initially, he was a salesman for IBM and he was their best salesman. And then, a bunch of the executives at IBM were like, "This guy's making too much money as our salesman. He's our salesman. Why should he make money? Let's cut his pay."

[00:06:50] And Ross Perot was like, "What the hell are you talking about? I'll cut you." And he cut them off and he started his own thing. And that's basically kind of what they did to me on Facebook. They saw it, I was too powerful on their own platform and like, "Look at this guy. This is too much. We can't have this. This guy's doing too much on our platform. He's more powerful than we are." We were more powerful. I mean, I could show you numbers that are so outrageous, like 1.75, 1.76 billion hits on my videos in one month.

[00:07:17]Luke Storey:  Whoa.

[00:07:18]David Wolfe:  Crazy numbers like nobody knows. I'll show you the numbers. I got those numbers. And as soon as we start hitting those numbers, where it was beyond anything, CNN, Facebook itself could do, anything that any of the news networks could do, any of them all combined, they're like, we have to stop this guy. And that's when it started, when we started hitting those kinds of numbers. That was probably the beginning of 2017 when they're starting to be a concerted troll effort, bot effort, Facebook effort, fill in the blank effort to troll me to death. I would have three people on security at all times in every post. I would have 40,000 attacks on my websites to hack me down. Forty thousand.

[00:08:00]Luke Storey:  What the-

[00:08:01]David Wolfe:  Yes. Yeah. People have no idea what we're up against. When I say deep state, I don't know what that means. And I know how many of those accounts were real and how many were fake. Basically, what we're dealing with, with trolling, is that the reason why people get so disturbed about, you name it, Bigfoot, chem trails, viruses, you name it, fill in the blank is because it violates their religious beliefs. And so, what happened in our education, we're about the same age is we were defaulted in the scientism.

[00:08:32] So, we went from one extreme, one radical religious extreme to another radical religious extreme, which is you came from an ape, you're a monkey, medicine is going to save us. The science knows every answer to every problem. The next technology is the best thing ever. All of this, we came from the Big Bang, is all religious stuff, right? It's like, here's where you came from. Here's where you're going. Here's what happened before your life. Here's what happened after you're dead. Here's your religion.

[00:09:00] But we don't identify it as a religion. And as soon as I throw it back at these people, "You're a religious fanatic", they can't handle it, bro. They cannot handle it. So, about 30%, maybe a third of that group is real and they're scientism fanatics. That's the religion of scientism, which is basically the fake religion of like the next injection is going to save you. We came from the Big Bang. You were a monkey, now, you're a human. The theory of evolution.

[00:09:27] All of it, right? It's all been proven. We proved everything. But then, meanwhile, you go, hey, what about this? They go, no, no, no, that's been debunked, we can't look at it. It's religious fanaticism. So, what they did is just to reiterate this point, they flipped us from one religious fanaticism to another. Humanity's never escaped religious fundamentalism, not even close. Okay. So then, about 60% of it was fake, fake bot attacks. And I knew that because I would see, like on Twitter, I got so trolled on Twitter, I was dealing with blocking of the leading three people a minute for three straight days, 72 hours straight.

[00:10:02] Straight, bro. Meaning, I would wake up in the middle like block lead, block lead, block lead, block lead, block lead, block lead, block lead, block lead, block lead all night long for three days. Then, nothing would come around, a few weeks later, block lead, block lead, block lead, block lead on Twitter, or Facebook, or any of them. And eventually, what they did is they blocked any way that I could monetize that platform, get a message out, do anything with that platform, make it even useful to people. So, what Facebook really did is they took their 200,000 best creators, and they destroyed them.

[00:10:36]Luke Storey:  The interesting thing about that whole phenomenon, and thanks for giving me the timestamped perspective, too, because now that I think about it, this was happening before the kind of conservative purge of the Alex Jones crew and all those people that got simultaneously de-platformed. And I'll add payment processors like PayPal and-

[00:10:56]David Wolfe:  That happened to me. I got de-platformed off payment processors. I got deleted off YouTube. No strikes, no anything, no problem for 10 years. They just deleted my account one day. For no reason. They said, "You did a video on CBD, we're deleting you." So, this three strikes thing all was BS, it's all BS. It's all just a scam. Pinterest did the same to me as well. They just delete me for no reason.

[00:11:16]Luke Storey:  The crazy thing about this is it's not—okay. Like I would say, in the realm of health and wellness, you're pretty fringe. I mean, you talk about some crazy shit. Hey, let's question whoever landed on the moon or whatever. I don't find anything shocking, so it's not weird to me. To me, I'm more curious, like, whoa, I never actually thought of that, this Bigfoot thing or whatever the fuck. But the crazy thing about this that people need to realize is that when someone like you gets de-platformed, it's like you have to look at what harm you're actually doing.

[00:11:48] Are you telling someone how to 3D print a gun, and giving them a battle plan to go out and hurt people? No. Are you teaching people how to hide a knife and get into a library or a school? It's like, what are you doing that is potentially going to ensue in anyone being harmed in any way? And even from the scientism or medical standpoint, what, is someone going to like overdose on colloidal silver or spirulina? It's like, what the fuck are people so afraid of? And I think then, it begins-

[00:12:24]David Wolfe:  Very specifically, the answer to that that I had to come to, and it was a very great revelation, is they're afraid of their religious beliefs being overturned. So, it's exactly what you don't think it is, which is people go, no, no, no, we're scientific now, we're secular. No, they're not. They're religious fanatics. Any evidence that opposes them, materialistic, mechanistic, scientismic thinking is, oh, it's debunked; oh, Snope said no; oh, no, that's just some conspiracy theory. It's so silly. I mean, it got to the point of just total—that's where we are now, it's just Gong Show.

[00:13:03]Luke Storey:  Totally. So, okay, where do I want to go with this? There are so many places to go. So, when it starts to affect your ability to monetize as a personality or a brand and your payment processors are being taken down, you can't do Google ads, your Facebook ads are being hidden, or you don't have the ability to have an ads manager account and drive traffic to your site, or whatever, I think that's where it gets—the suppression of information is one thing.

[00:13:33] And that's terrifying because if we look throughout history, any authoritarian government, the overreach usually starts with shutting down free speech and the press, right? And jailing intellectuals, et cetera, people that think outside of the box, free thinkers. But when you start removing someone's ability to eat and buy and engage in commerce based on the premise that you don't like their opinion about the prevailing ideas on how cancer is caused and what might help to ameliorate it, that gets really scary. 

[00:14:05] Because then, that leads us eventually into what people like David Icke were talking about 30 years ago when people called him nuts is the microchip in the forced vaccines? The cashless society, this abuse does sound like science fiction. And now, we see this totalitarian tiptoe moving into where that's just being normalized through this predictive programming or through the media, through movies, through TV, through books, through the common kind of cultural narrative that it's normal for us to be shutting people down because we don't agree with them. Not only their point of view, but their ability to run a business and operate in the world. It's just craziness.

[00:14:45]David Wolfe:  I agree. I mean, what we're dealing with, again, is fanaticism. It's very unscientific thinking, actually. One of these directors of the CIA said something that like as soon as the American people believe that everything that they think is real is false and everything that is false is real, then we will have succeeded with our job. We're headed towards a total inversion where everything that the system says is good, great, best thing ever, is exactly and precisely the opposite of the truth. That's what's happening, right? 

[00:15:19] And I mean, that's a fascinating thing right there. But there are still people out there who were actually scientific, who maintain that scientific spirit within and are not fanatics, who are not caught up in scientism, who are not caught up in this is the only way to look at this problem. And they continue the scientific inquiry, which it's like, I love this meme that shows a light bulb being dragged up to a noose in a crowd of candles. It's like that. The human race has never escaped the fanaticism, the fundamentalism, which is a fundamental deception of our civilization.

[00:16:02] Because what we're telling people is oh, no, we're scientific, we're secular now. We're getting everything sorted out, which is always a fraud. You can never become totally scientific because the scientific investigation is dealing with probability fields and percentages. It's quantum physics, right? Always trying to lock in on the best probability of success, all the fake spaced-out program stuff is like, not situation nominal, we've got this, perfect, and they do that on purpose because they want everybody to think that science is perfect, which totally goes against quantum physics and the discoveries of the 20th century, really, that the specificity of Euclidean geometry is incorrect.

[00:16:48]Luke Storey:  Right. And how about just the fact that is a fact, speaking of science, that the observation of a phenomenon affects the outcome of that phenomenon, right? So, it's like, when people say the science is settled, that's been debunked. True science can never be settled because it's always perpetually in development, and in evolution, and in motion.

[00:17:12]David Wolfe:  Well said.

[00:17:12]Luke Storey:  So, the very idea that something is fixed forever, that it's finite and it's now been proven or disproven is ludicrous to any free thinking, relatively intelligent person.

[00:17:25]David Wolfe:  Let's get into Rudolf Steiner on that one, because what we are under and what Rudolf Steiner warned us of, he's the greatest philosopher of the 20th century, in my opinion, and one of the greatest minds to ever live on Earth, Rudolf Steiner warned us of the Ahrimanic deception and the certain qualities of the Ahrimanic deception. And one of them is that stuff is like so certain, that stuff is settled, or it's been sedimentized, or cemented in, or it's fixed, right? 

[00:17:55] Once you start hearing that language, you go, oh, that's the deception they're trying to push on us because nothing is sediment set in stone six forever. There's going to be an evolution of ideas. There's going to be a deeper investigation that reveals more complexity. There's going to be a deeper investigation that's going to reveal that what we thought was this little simple thing like the microbiome is much more complicated as soon as we include the microvio, right? 

[00:18:23]Luke Storey:  What's the difference in those?

[00:18:25]David Wolfe:  Okay. So, the microbiome is your friendly bacteria that live on and within you. They live on the surface of your lungs, they live in your oral cavity, they live all in your body. Actually, the most bizarre microbiome on your body is actually underneath your fingernails. But that's not the whole picture of the organisms, or quasi-organisms, or substances that live with us that are not us, there's also viruses in the microviome. So, this is in the microviome and its interaction with the microbiome is hardly known. It's very, very rudimentary.

[00:19:00] For example, like Dr. Shiva talks about, hey, we've got 80,000 studies on vitamin D3 and its effect on the immune system, why don't we focus there when we're dealing with this kind of contagion, whatever the contagion is that we're dealing with right now? Instead of that, we go to a thing we know nothing about, which is the microviome. And we start injecting people with stuff we know nothing about the long-term effects of. And so, we're going to this very, very dubious, very uncertain, very much guesswork type of scientism because we're trying to get people to believe that we know something rather than focusing on the things that we actually really, really good probability data about.

[00:19:41]Luke Storey:  In terms of what I perceived to be cognitive dissonance in the followers of this scientism, so you have kind of the power structure at top that's dictating to the little people like us what ultimate truth is objectively, and then you have the followers of that that are so indoctrinated into Big Brother groups think that that's their sense of reality and security. And when that is disrupted and a counter idea is brought into the narrative, it's like a Stockholm syndrome sort of reaction where you just see people's heads exploding that no, but this is what I believe to be true and this is the framework or scaffolding that I've built my understanding of the universe on.

[00:20:28] And when that's disrupted, causes people to become so volatile and so confused because we're sort of ripping at the fabric of their perceived reality. Do you think that the popularity of and proliferation worldwide, as I'm seeing it now, of plant medicines and the thoughtful clinical use of psychedelics is going to and has been aiding in the awakening on the other side of that cognitive dissonance and denial of alternate perceptions of reality?

[00:21:01]David Wolfe:  I love that question. I've been a grower of these plants for 20 years. I know them inside out. I've grown them all for years, and years, and years. So, I listen to what Terence McKenna taught me, which is, the plant's your guru, grow the plants, figure it out from there. And so, that's what I've come, that's my perspective. Now, what position on this is that in the old days, it was like, no, you can't actually get the energy from the thing from growing it.

[00:21:27] But all these years later, I'm here to tell you, you absolutely can. You can definitely get much from growing it. And that's actually where I'm at with many of these plants. I don't need to ingest them anymore. Just growing them is enough. I get enough from that experience that it takes me there. But the main thing that these plants are doing for us is they are breaking down barriers of understanding. They're breaking down limited thought forms, and they are absolutely disturbing the materialism because what they're showing us is that we live in a realm of spirit and soul first and matter second.

[00:22:07] And energy is primary before matter. And it's not just an idea anymore. It becomes visceral. It becomes something you know. So, from my experience of taking magic mushrooms or peyote or San Pedro cactus or ayahuasca over the years or tobacco, I live in a magical reality. I'm out of that Ahrimanic deception. Now, people who were in the Ahrimanic deception, who are bought into scientism, and their mechanistic thinking, and materialism, an ayahuasca journey will absolutely disturb and overturn their materialism. And for that reason, man, is that good news? Wow. Is that good news? But because you're dealing with a religious conviction, it can be very disturbing to people.

[00:22:54] People are like, what do you mean? I'm an atheist. I'm not religious. Absolutely, you are. Whatever you believe is above you or below you, whatever you believe happened before you were born and after you die, however you believe came from, whatever your creation story is, that's your religion, whether it's nihilistic or whatever you want to call it, that's your religion. And so, people are trying to default this into some kind of nihilistic religion. It's like, no, thanks, we're in the magical reality, go kill yourself with your nihilism, but we're having the best day ever.

[00:23:22]Luke Storey:  I love you, dude. We got to do this more often, seriously. The interesting thing about that statement is, and I don't want to go further into that, is that I've come to the understanding that there actually doesn't exist such a thing as an atheist because when you look at any human being, even one whose system is denial of nature, denial of God, denial of love, denial of universal consciousness, denial of quantum physics, and is just completely in the material, pragmatic, as you say, scientism point of view, their God is the understanding that they've built about the way things work. So, it's like they might not worship a diety, or theology, or any sort of system of religion or spirituality, but they believe as fervently in their own intellectual construct that that is their God.

[00:24:21]David Wolfe:  They believe more fervently than we do because we've investigated enough to not be sure, right? So, we're still in this pursuit of just oh, OK, this could be that, great, cool, it could be any of these things. But they're certain, that's the fundamentalism, right? And see, this is an aberration of consciousness. Probably, my feeling is it's probably related to their being young souls. They haven't had many incarnations, so they're easily distracted and foisted into these phony fundamentalist religions like scientism.

[00:24:58] And 300 years ago, it would be Salem witch trials, these witches are doing things, so they're burned at the stake. It would have been the same thing. Even though they say they're against that, they're absolutely for that, right? They're going to burn Alex Jones at the stake. They're going to burn Trump at the stake. They're going to burn David Wolfe at the stake. And it'll be you next. One of the things, by the way, about this de-platforming and the hate that goes on is these people say, they're against hate.

[00:25:24]Luke Storey:  Yeah.

[00:25:26]David Wolfe:  Like the people are like against Trump, we're against Trump, he's a racist, whatever their trip is. It's like, dude, pretty soon, here today, gone tomorrow. It'll be Trump today, it'll be someone else tomorrow. If you're that much into hate, you need to have some counseling about your hate.

[00:25:45]Luke Storey:  Yeah, or go take ayahuasca.

[00:25:48]David Wolfe:  Something.

[00:25:50]Luke Storey:  Yeah. I think that's something that became really apparent to me culturally. And I've never been that politically savvy, interested, it's kind of just one president comes, it's a different mask on the same face. It's like I think there seems to be people that choose our leaders. And it's not chosen by the people, it's chosen by someone above and beyond the people. The top of the pyramid, I guess, one could say. 

[00:26:20] But one thing that I really noticed was this phenomenon during and after the last election, speaking of like Stockholm syndrome, the entire country kind of went into a Stockholm syndrome or at least half the country that didn't get what they wanted. And I didn't really know enough about all of it to have an opinion. But when that happened, I was really astonished by that phenomenon you described where there is this hate culture that is fundamentally based on hating people that hate people, you know what I mean? But we-. 

[00:26:56]David Wolfe:  Yeah, you got it, man. It's like people who want to control the control.

[00:26:59]Luke Storey:  Yeah. It's really, really strange because I guess, as you said, it's—and I'm not trying to speak about this from some high-minded point of view. I mean, I have my moments where I hate stuff, and get angry, and think I'm right, and I'm not eventually, and all that. The utmost, as much humility is I can muster with my own shortcomings because I have many, is that it was just really strange for me to see not only that phenomenon, but also kind of the inversion of liberalism and conservatism where you have organizations like Antifa that are, on paper, liberal or left-leaning, but are actually more fascist than the mom and pop Trump supporters, they're going to beat up with like bike locks at a rally or something. 

[00:27:47] It's like you see the violence, and the oppression, and the censorship, and the hate coming from what was once the side that I thought I was kind of on, and was raised with, equal rights for all and the idea of unconditional love and personal freedom, and I guess more of a libertarian kind of liberalism. And now, it's sort of inverted where I'm like, wait, what am I? Because like whatever that side of it is, the real hate-fueled and the condoning violence against people you don't agree with and de-platforming people that you don't agree with, like I'm definitely not with that. So, does that make me like a Republican now? I don't think so.

[00:28:26]David Wolfe:  We call them the Demoncraps and the Reptilians.

[00:28:30]Luke Storey:  The Demoncraps. Very, very aptly stated.

[00:28:35]David Wolfe:  The corruption of both parties in America. They're opposames. That was a great term from the old David Icke books way back when, was opposames. They're opposames. You go too much that way, you're going to end up in concentration camps. And you go too much that way, you're going to end up in concentration camps and tyranny, and it's just the same thing on both sides. So, we have to actually, I think you brought up the word, it's a very good word, which is liberty.

[00:28:59] So, actually, our party is the liberty party, and that is equal for all, like we're trying to help everybody out. Let's give everybody a leg up. Let's see what we can do instead of spending all this time hating, supporting banking interest, supporting the, we call it Golden Sachs. Without the military and Golden Sachs, there is no Trump. Without George Soros, there's no Nancy Pelosi. These are all just front people for other forces that are behind them, but neither side is what we want.

[00:29:35]Luke Storey:  Right. Well, I think that's the big lesson coming out of the cognitive dissonance that so many people experience, having their world view disrupted by such a random, strange character becoming elected in this country, is that it's like that dude is not the problem, why aren't we looking at why that dude was the best choice, you know what I mean? Like look at the-

[00:30:00]David Wolfe:  And versus Hillary Clinton.

[00:30:02]Luke Storey:  I know.

[00:30:03]David Wolfe:  I mean, that's right. It's like, whoa, now, I'm an investigator, as you know, of the paranormal, the unusual, the impossible, the synchronistic, strange because that's where the action is, the border. The edge of our perception is where interesting stuff is happening because what's immediately in our perception is not interesting after a while, so I'm going for the edge. And so, I followed her career for a long time when Bill was president.

[00:30:28] In fact, I followed her movements very closely. And I know she's involved in evil. I know for a fact. I have got so much evidence on her, it's not even funny. And it's like, how in the world does she get to that point? And then, she's going up against Trump. And it's just like, these are our choices? This is where we come to? It's amazing to me. It's absolutely astounding. But I will say this, the next time a Trump person comes around, that person will actually be all the way like one of us who actually be all the way into liberty. 

[00:30:59] All the way. Meaning, like no, no, no, no, no, we're not going down that track of changing our story when we actually get into office or this, that, or the other thing because that's what ends up, like it's just endless how much just happens. But the next time we get one of our people in there, it's not going to be a Trump, it's going to be someone who actually knows what the hell to do. And it's not going to fall in with the 5G, and is not going to fall in with the scientism, is not going to fall in with vaccine agenda, is not going to fall in with the next curtailing of your rights, is not going to fall in with the government tracking your movements, is not going to fall in with more communist China in America, et cetera.

[00:31:36]Luke Storey:  Back to the plant medicine tip. And I think there's two kind of converging trends now that are very positive when it comes to awakening. One is the availability and the acceptability of the shamanic indigenous plant medicine path, right? I mean, I, myself, have been to two very legitimate legal retreat centers in Costa Rica to do ayahuasca, very much on the up and up, very safe, very clean, very conscious. Just amazing, right? And it was so easily accessible. 

[00:32:09] So, the fact that the first, when I went to Rhythmia, I mean, there were old ladies there in their 80s that like their 40-year-old daughter brought them there. They never even had a beer in their whole life and now, they're drinking two huge cups of ayahuasca going out into the universe, exploring the ET land. And they're not even batting an eye. They're like, this is amazing. I've been looking for this my whole life. So, you have that side of it.

[00:32:33] But then, more within the system, and I think these are kind of the open-minded fringe dwellers in the system, is the clinical psychedelic emergence. So, we know in the history of LSD and even MDMA that the original uses of that were more sacramental and were used in the context of working with the psychotherapist or analyst in order to uncover in a young incense the roots of what might be troubling you and expanding consciousness? 

[00:33:02] And even, I always talk about the founder of Alcoholics Anonymous, Bill Wilson, did a lot of experimentation with LSD, along with Aldous Huxley, and so many people of that era. And these are people that are very sort of strait-laced folks, right? And then, that all got squashed for a long, long time. And then, the war on drugs and all this kind of stuff. And now, you have psilocybin popping up in its level of legality, the cannabis plant, which I don't know for me, hasn't really had a lot of uses in terms of consciousness.

[00:33:33] But there's so much going on with ketamine therapy now, psilocybin therapy, MDMA therapy. And the thing I find strange about this is that the powers that be now that want to oppress open consciousness, and keep us in these boxes, and keep the division, I find it strange that the laws are loosening up and that these substances are now more prevalent, and more available, and culturally acceptable than ever.

[00:34:03] Like the powers that be that are censoring us on social media, why are they shutting down the ayahuasca centers, and stopping people from collecting peyote, and chemists making MDMA, and people growing mushrooms? It's like the laws are getting looser, which I find to be so strange, and encouraging, and wonderful at the same time because I really do think that's part of the global awakening, but have you thought about why that's just kind of running rampant and no one's kind of clamping down on that?

[00:34:35]David Wolfe:  I've thought about that extensively over the years. I've talked to people like Dennis McKenna about it, gone to many conferences in that regard. I talked to Sasha Shulgin extensively about that many years ago in Oaxaca, Mexico. We were at a conference down there together. And I think what's happening is there is an awakening happening. That's why we're seeing this move towards draconian measures is because people are waking up and they can no longer keep the lid on cannabis, or keep the lid on MDMA, or on magic mushrooms because it's too much trouble.

[00:35:08] It's too difficult to keep the lid on anymore. The jails are too full. The court systems are too backed up. The will and desire are not there anymore. And the system to stop it is like it's not dangerous enough to the police to enforce. So, there's an awakening that's happening. I'm very convinced of that. And I will say this about those plants. And what's very important about them is that I think it's very important for those of you who are like me 20 years ago to really advance yourself in growing them yourselves and really develop a relationship that way because the actual gross nature of having to ingest a substance is much more materialistic than the actual energetic interaction that's going on, which feeds and nourishes you at a better level.

[00:36:01] I have to say, I'm trying to tell you honestly, that's been my experience. Let me tell you what happened on Christmas Eve this last 2019. I don't drink ayahuasca very often, but I do grow it. I've grown it for many, many years. People don't know that about me. I have unbelievable knowledge of growing ayahuasca. And that's a whole story. So, this one particular ayahuasca that's up in the jungle behind my house, and it's on my property, but it's out in the jungle, is just the love this thing has gotten.

[00:36:32] It's a beast. It's like 12, 13 years old. And the night, the very night after 12, 13 years growing this thing, the very night of Christmas Eve, a friend of mine is like, come on, let's just drink some ayahuasca. And I was like, okay, we'll do it tonight. I'm not ayahuasca scared, but it's just friends and families, maybe five or six of us will sit around, we'll do a prayer, meditation, and I'll hold the space for us to do this.

[00:36:51] And so, we drank the medicine, and about 1:00 in the morning, I was like, come on, you guys, let's get up and let's go outside, and we'll sit around, and smoke a cigar, and talk about our experiences. These guys were still pretty far out there. I wasn't, but they were pretty far out there. And so, there was a windstorm, like something fierce. I mean, something fierce like tornado level going on for like an hour.

[00:37:16] And we're out on the balcony, and it's right there next to us. It's like being in a tornado kind of experience. And there was a snap, crackle, pop about an hour into that. And I was like, you guys hear that? What was that? Like they're sitting there kind of still deep in the experience. The next chance, we had to go up on top of the hill. That very night that we drank that, which is like once a year for me, that tree with the ayahuasca on it was ripped right out of the ground and thrown. I've got it on video. I'm doing a video on it.

[00:37:47]Luke Storey:  Wow.

[00:37:50]David Wolfe:  Now, just the consciousness of that happening on that night and that that could even occur on that night, anything like that, there's just more evidence to me. I'm like, first of all, I'm not supposed to be serving up this medicine. Second of all, I'm good with just I'll just grow and feel the vibes. And I eat lot of the tips of ayahuasca, the growth tips. If I'm out working in the yard, I'll eat a lot of growth tips, and it's food.

[00:38:15] It's not really psychoactive thing, but it's an interaction that you have with it as a food. And that's where I'm at with it. But that's how hypersynchronistic these substances really are and how powerful they are just to have around you. They're an intelligence. What an incredible time that we live in that we can have these great intelligences around us, growing around us. That, to me, is amazing.

[00:38:41]Luke Storey:  Yeah, that's an incredible story. And yeah, that's funny because I forgot that you have a green thumb, and grow the cacao and the vanilla bean, and I think things that are also really hard to grow, too. So, you must really have a deep relationship with all of the plants that you work with in that capacity. Because, dude, I've tried to grow carrots, and I can't do it, you know what I mean? Like it's a skill that is not easily acquired for some of us. 

[00:39:11] And I think in terms of like that question I asked earlier as to why the use of these medicines and psychedelics is becoming so pervasive and why it's slipping through the cracks, and when you were describing that it's sort of like the genie is out of the bottle and the powers that be can't really control it at this point, something came to mind, too, that these substances, for the most part, aren't addictive, you know what I mean? Like I've never taken psilocybin in a healthy dose and the next morning be like, do I have any left? I need to take more of that. That's just never going to happen.

[00:39:47]David Wolfe:  You see, they command respect is I think what you're trying to drive at. And that is a lovely quality of the sacred medicines. They command respect. And this is one of the reasons why I am a tobacco grower and why I grow my own tobaccos because as soon as you get it in that chemicalized form and rolled up in with burn agents into a cigarette and potassium nitrate, all these 4,000 chemicals and all these other stuff, that's not real. That's not the real thing.

[00:40:19] And so, long ago, 15, 20 years ago, ayahuasca told me, like you're going to get into tobacco, you're going to grow tobacco, you're going to grow the world's best tobacco. And I was like, tobacco, what are you talking about? What? But over the years, ayahuasca taught me how to do it. And it's interesting, you find out that even tobacco, you cannot abuse it when you grow it yourself. It's just impossible. It commands respect. So, even something which is so addictive, only those cigarettes are addictive. You can't get into that kind of disruption with natural substances in their natural form. It's just not going to be possible.

[00:41:00]Luke Storey:  It's interesting, too, when you look at these medicine plants, like take the cocoa leaf or the opium poppy or even something like Kratom, I think the way that they work is also dependent on how they are distilled down, right? I think that-

[00:41:22]David Wolfe:  How they're processed, yeah. And by the way, I grow all of the above. And I told one of the biggest Kratom distributor in North America was, well, leave a name, I said, send me your best plants, and I'll grow them, and I'll show you something about that plant that no one will know. So, let me tell you some things. This brings up an interesting thing that I think people are interested in, which is things that I've learned from growing these plants over the years that people don't know that are fascinating.

[00:41:46] So, for example, with Kratom, Kratom is like a bush in a tree kind of. So it gets woody and it needs to be out in the open environment. It's almost like a hedge. It can become like a hedge. And I'm only into Kratom, maybe I've been growing it for maybe two or three years. That's my newest one into the addition of what I'm doing. But with tobacco, I've picked at least in the Amazon, and all over Peru, and all over the deserts of Mexico, and Southern United States, probably 10 different types of tobaccos that I know, and can identify, and process, and know exactly which ones they are, and what their properties are, of the two major varieties—three, I want to mention these three.

[00:42:32] One is the flowering nicotianas, which I grow a lot of here in my house. That's my main house plant actually. Some tobaccos are grown from their leaves. These are grown from their flowers. And most people are not aware of the flowering nicotianas, which are tobaccos? But the energy goes into the flower, which is pollinated by a moth, and is jasmine-scented in the evenings because that's when the moths are out, that's when they pollinate it. The other one that I grew up here is, we call it Avalon BC. 

[00:42:58] It came out of a tomb near Thunder Bay, Ontario, 800- to a-thousand-year-old seeds. I got those seeds. I was one of 25 people to get those seeds. This is my 14th year growing that variety. That is my favorite plant of all time I've ever grown by far. The energy, and the genetics, and just what it's shown me over the years. Like all these years growing, and all of a sudden, one year, like, whoa, what's it doing now? I've never seen that in any one of these I've ever grown in all these years. Well, just two things that are amazing. And this is a giant-leaf rustica tobacco, which is the native tobacco of North America. The Virginia tobaccos, the Caribbean tobaccos were brought to North America.

[00:43:39] They were not here before the time of the British coming to settle in Virginia. So, the round large-leaf rustica is my favorite plant of all time, which is much, much stronger than the Virginia tobaccos with the pointed leaf, which is the nicotiana tabacum, which I've grown in Hawaii, I've also grown up here as well, which is now, they're big, big loves for sure growing those, and processing them all the way, and learning the processing them all the way, and learning that whole system. Ayahuasca vine, obviously, it's two plants, it's the vine and the leaf. I've grown Takuna for years, 15 years, berries, Takuna berries. You can grow the whole plant from a leaf, the Takuna.

[00:44:23]Luke Storey:  Wow.

[00:44:24]David Wolfe:  You can just drop a leaf on the ground or plant a leaf, and it will grow an entire tree.

[00:44:28]Luke Storey:  What? That's crazy.

[00:44:30]David Wolfe:  Ayahuasca, let me tell you an interesting story about the vine itself. Most people don't know this. Ayahuasca is an epiphyte. It doesn't need to ever touch the ground. It can produce and drop on itself its own debris, its own leaves, and then root into that up in the upper story of the canopy of the jungle. So, it never actually needs to touch the ground. And I had one that was like that, and it had built up six feet, at least, two meters, huge mass of leaves, and then rooted into that. 

[00:45:02] So, that's where it got its nutrition from. So, when it would rain, it would drip into the system of its own leaves that was up there on the top of a guava tree, and then it was rooted into that, like this. It was amazing to see that, bro, I have to tell you. When I finally got that one out of that, we processed that one into actual brew. But toppling that nest, that ayahuasca on the top of that guava was one of the more interesting experiences of harvesting any plant ever my life.

[00:45:30]Luke Storey:  What's the deal with Kratom? I think when I was getting into like the cocoa leaf and the opium poppy and having chewed cocoa leaf paste on a couple occasions, and it's kind of like a nootropic, just nice. Not high like coke, or crack, or something at all, just real mellow. Not addictive, forgot about it, never wanted more. It was there, then it was gone kind of thing. But the interesting thing about those though is the more that they're refined, the more gnarly and addictive they get, which is why they're so controlled, I think, as having, as I said, been someone who was very addicted to both of those for a long time.

[00:46:05] The Kratom to me is interesting because it's like people come over, oh, my knee hurts, my back hurts. And I'm like, hey, I don't want to be a pusher here, but I have a plant medicine that can help with your pain, it's called Kratom or as my ex-girlfriend who is from Thailand said, it's not Kratom, it's Kratom, but we call it Kratom. And I say, "But I warn you, I have heard of people becoming addicted to it." And they say, "Oh, is it dangerous? Is it processed, manmade? 

[00:46:29] I'm like, no, it's literally a ground-up leaf, like you take the leaves, grind them up into a powder, eat that, and it kills your pain. And if you take enough of it, it can be somewhat euphoric and kind of a body high and have definitely like an opiate kind of feeling to it. But I find that that's one that does get attacked a lot by the authorities. And my thought is that it's such an effective replacement for pharmaceutical opiates that that one's a threat not because it could have some addictive potential, but because it's going to get you off Oxycontin.

[00:47:05]David Wolfe:  That's totally what it is, bro. That's what's going on. And I know that because I know people at the forefront of battling for freedom to have Kratom as a choice. And we're basically up against the pharmaceutical interests and they don't want a competitor. And this is very, very sad about our whole—and this is one of the reasons why we're getting the scientism and all the other stuff is because it helps the big monopolies sell more of their products.

[00:47:28] The more that you believe in the scientism, the more you're going to go for their pharmaceuticals, the pill for every ill, the cut, burn, poison theory of medicine, all of it. But let me jump back to the Kratom in terms of its chemistry. About 45 minutes into taking Kratom, it does actually break down into tryptamine-boosting chemicals. The mitrogenes break down into tryptamine-boosting chemicals.

[00:47:47] So, for example, if you take Kratom, and then 45 minutes later take magic mushrooms, there is an effect that is very unique and special. I was turned onto that by a chemist that I work with. And I did do that one time, actually, I was at a party in London at, it was Sigmund Freud's grandson's house. Strange. And that was my only time doing it. I was like, oh, that's interesting, there is something to it. I personally don't like magic mushrooms. 

[00:48:25] I think I overdid them and my body's reaction to it, I think I got everything I needed to from that experience, and I'm good. But once a year, maybe if it's the right thing, like that particular night with my friends like, dude, do this, and then 45 minutes later, do that, I'll time you, let's do it because there's this chemical pathway. And he showed me that mitrogene pathway. And it was very interesting.

[00:48:46]Luke Storey:  That's so funny, dude, because last night, I was having some back pain. And so, I took four Kratom capsules, and about an hour later, I thought, it's pretty early, I don't have a lot going on tonight, and I was just going to go take a sauna, and just kind of relax and wind down. And so, I took some mushrooms, maybe like half a gram, if that. And it was very interesting. But I realized, having heard that, that the optimal way to do it perhaps would be the other way around. 

[00:49:15] Because I was kind of in like this relaxed, like pain-free, a little bit of a body high, and then took a small amount of mushrooms, just went listen to David Hawkins in the sauna. It was amazing. Had my red light in there. It was epic and very mild, but it definitely was different. And into that experience, maybe two hours later, I was like, these mushrooms feel weird. And I realized, oh, shit, I kind of forgot that I'd taken that kratom for my back pain before that. It was a synergistic mix that was unique. So, I'm going to keep that in mind.

[00:49:47]David Wolfe:  Yeah, there's something there. It's a tryptamine pathway. So, it does work with other tryptamines, and I'll just leave people to their own investigation of that one.

[00:49:55]Luke Storey:  Okay. Man, I thought this is going to be more of the conversation, but that's what happens when you allow flow to do its thing. Back to the censorship piece, and then I want to get into the current plandemic, and viruses, and some other things like that, nut what have you found to be the most censored topics that you've covered on social media? And also, have you been like banned from anything outright now or are you just seeing your posts get shadow-banned? Like what are the hot topics that you've really gotten nailed for? And kind of where do your accounts stand now? Do you have any problems on Instagram or Twitter? What's up with your Facebook, YouTube, et cetera?

[00:50:41]David Wolfe:  Great question. Okay. So, I'm completely banned off of Pinterest, and I will not open a new account with them. I was banned off of YouTube, which was very disconcerting, hundreds of videos, 10 years of work. I do have a new account on YouTube, but I don't really—every now and then, I'll go on there and just do what little thing, but I don't really put any material on there because why would I want to get deleted? What I'm doing is, with my Facebook, with Instagram, with Twitter, with YouTube is I'm directing people to Telegram Messenger.

[00:51:12]Luke Storey:  Yeah.

[00:51:14]David Wolfe:  And I've talked to you on Telegram Messenger and I have a page there, David Avocado Wolfe on Telegram Messenger. And anybody can find me. If you just pay attention to my Instagram, you'll see I'm always putting little links there and sending you there. And you can always, in my bio, click my link tree, and you'll see how to get there. And anyway, that's completely uncensored. So, instead of trying to deal with like are they going to censor me? Are they not? No. 

[00:51:34] All this other stuff which I dealt with for years, mostly on the vaccine subject, that was the one that just—because that's where I've been calling this plandemic all along because I know exactly how addicted people are to their medical scientism and vaccine concepts. They absolutely are bought. And I've known this for 25, 30 years. They are bought in hook, line, and sinker that vaccines are the best thing ever. Medical science is actually doing something good.

[00:52:07] I came from two medical doctors I grew up in, and I am absolutely here to tell you that medical tyranny and medical scientism is the worst, the most dangerous, the biggest fraud and deception of them all. How do I know that? Because I grew up in hospitals. I grew up with doctors' offices. I've seen it all. I mean, nobody's been around it like I have. It's from the day I was born, I've got pictures now I've been putting out on my own my feed of me like four years old at my dad's office, five years old at my dad's office, three years old at my dad's office, seven years old at my dad's office.

[00:52:44] My mom and dad worked that office together. And I saw crazy stuff. I remember one time, this guy wrecked his motorcycle. They dragged him in my dad's office because he wasn't going to make it to the hospital, it's 20 miles away. And he had like 300 stitches. My dad stitched him up and they couldn't get me out of the room because they couldn't even take their attention off this guy, of saving his life to even get me out of there.

[00:53:06] So, I watched the whole thing. I've seen it all, bro. And in that circumstance, you want someone like my dad stitching you back together without question. My dad has done every emergency room surgery known and he's the guy for that. But when it comes to age-related inflammatory diseases, when it comes to infectious diseases, those have already been solved in entirely different ways than medical scientism, but those are not allowed.

[00:53:35] For example, Nikola Tesla and his development of the ozone systems that he developed in 1981, which I've used for over 20 years. I've used them in clinical settings for 10 years with Dr. William Hitt down in Tijuana. He's a leading virologist in the world. Put his credentials up against any virologists in the world. He trained with papilloma. I studied with him. I was right there. I was his right-hand guy for years. When it comes to viral diseases, I know what the hell I'm talking about because I've seen it every day.

[00:54:02] When it comes to the viral connection with cancer, I know what to do. Medical scientism has no idea what to do. So, they're going to give you some super experimental "vaccine", which is not going to be efficacious anyway. And then, they're going to slip a bunch of other stuff in there, too, which I think people can figure out what that means. And they're going to go for their One World New World Order or whatever their trip is.

[00:54:28] But when it comes to actually helping people—look, imagine what it takes for somebody to get to a clinic in Tijuana. Just think about it. And I would see it. People come in there, they were broke. They were broken. They were financially broke. They were spiritually broke. They were physically broke. They're very emotionally broke. They were mentally broken. And they would get to doctor, and they would unload on him. And he would just, in his deep, gravelly voice, he would say, "Are you ready to try alternative medicine?" 

[00:54:57] After all that, they just finally is exhausted, they would just be like, yes, okay. And we'd send him home eight weeks later fine. They'd be back to work in 10 weeks, stuff like that. It Was just amazing. So, I learned about that, which we can get into. And I have a deep, deep passion for medicine because I'm designed genetic. It's genetic. But the medical scientism model is not the correct model for inflammatory diseases and age-related, and not the correct model for viral or infectious diseases. It has, in fact, made the whole situation worse. 

[00:55:32]Luke Storey:  So, in terms of the censorship then, do you think moving forward, our solution is going to be more alternative platforms where we all eventually just bail off of these corporate-owned big tech platforms. And there's new things like Telegram and whatnot that come up, and we just kind of have to rebuild our communities elsewhere, where we're not silenced in the way that we are.

[00:55:58]David Wolfe:  That's what I'm doing. That's what I'm doing. It's not that I've abandoned Facebook. I still have a Facebook site. I still have an Instagram site. And we're watching it right now. As do you. But these are portals that if people want to go deeper, if they want to know more, sure, I'll bring them more. They can go as deep with me as they want to go. I think all the way to my inner circle and get everything I know. And what I have known, by the way, over these years, I've been at this 26 years as a professional.

[00:56:22] I spent my entire life inside of medicine, is a lot and I know a lot of strategies. And again, with Dr. Hitt 10 years on and off in that clinic dealing with terminal cases, left for dead, left for dead every day. Every day, someone would be coming in there, was left for dead. It wasn't like, oh, this month, we've got someone who was left for dead. Every day, someone was left for dead. And we'd be sending them home. And it was amazing what I learned there.

[00:56:50] So then, that's real experience. That's real experience because it's not a book. It's like I knew those people. I know those people now. I know who made it, who survive there. It's amazing. And what I learned there, that's why I have the approach that I do, but I can't put that approach out on Facebook or Instagram or Twitter. Twitter is one of the worst. My God. That's like the colon of the—it's like, geez, we rather want to get like the worst of social media. Twitter is the worst.

[00:57:17]Luke Storey:  Yeah, it is. I think people on Twitter are the lowest consciousness because you have the ability to hide the best there. There are not photos of you. You can just make up whatever account and talk shit, be a keyboard bully, and never actually get your ass called out. Well, let's jump into this virus piece a bit. As someone who is a complete novice in all things medical, whether on the real authentic side or on the fabricated side, I don't even fully understand what a virus is.

[00:57:49] What I understand is that I have intuition, and discernment, and common sense, and I've got a heart, and a heartbeat. And when I'm being lied to, some of the time, I'm made aware of it. And I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that from the moment this thing started that I was being lied to. Now, what the truth is, is it a virus? Is it a bio-weapon? Is there no virus at all? The whole thing's just completely made up. That, I don't know if anyone knows other than the people kind of behind it, but there are so many missing pieces here and so many anomalies. 

[00:58:30] This makes 9/11 seem like a kindergarten puzzle. It's like that was so easy to solve comparatively. And the holes in it were so glaring and there was about 10 big holes. And you don't know what happened, but you know that, okay, like there's no explaining this. But with this, there's so much conflicting information because you see, you have firsthand accounts of people that work at a hospital and they're being overrun with all these people with COVID.

[00:58:59] And then, you see videos of empty hospitals and people break dancing and shit in their nurse uniforms. And you hear of someone dying from it, then you hear of, well, they're changing death certificates so that if someone died in a motorcycle accident and "tested positive" for COVID, that's been counted as a COVID death. And it's just so absolutely crazy that I'm having a hard time getting my head around the truth of what's really happening and that I think the confusion there is so many people have a misunderstanding of the nature of viruses, vaccines, virus testing, the origins of viruses, how they spread, et cetera.

[00:59:40] So, as it stands right now, at the time of this recording, which is April 22nd, so things will have developed and evolved by the time this is officially released, but what's your take on the concept of this being an actual virus, the threat of it? Now, we see more people are dying from the flu than they are of this thing. Why don't we shut down the entire world when people have a flu strain going? It's just like it makes no sense. And some people at the top is full of shit, for sure. So, what's your view on this as of today?

[01:00:15]David Wolfe:  Okay. So, let's just jump back to the microviome, right? So, just as we have a microbiome of bacteria that live on and within us, we also have a microviome of viruses that are on us and within us that may or may not be considered alive, but they're genetic material or exosomes that are released by cells that might be healthy or unhealthy. Now, let me just lay this out a little bit. There has been a longstanding relationship between the microbiome and microviome.

[01:00:47] So, for example, let's say Epstein-Barr viruses are actually very suppressive of certain bacteria like listeria in mammals. That's what we know. So, we know there is an interaction between bacteria and viruses, and that may be a positive interaction in the sense of like Epstein-Barr and herpes viruses are delivering some benefits, that they are neutralizing numerous bacteria. The opposite could also be true like with COVID-19.

[01:01:18] There may be a relationship between Prevotella, it appears there is. Prevotella, it mostly occupies your oral cavity, and to some degree, your lungs, which is a bacteria, and COVID-19, and that they work synergistically together. So, he microbiome-microviome interactions and the understanding of the microviome in particular is very rudimentary, even by the best minds in the world. And I've been studying what's online from the best minds in the world in this area.

[01:01:48] It's very rudimentary. That's why it's very dangerous to just go, we're jumping to a vaccine. Of the six different types of vaccines that could be generated for a coronavirus, none of them will be efficacious, just as the flu vaccine is not efficacious because there's just too many variables. It mutates too quickly. If you just take somebody's history and you go, okay, this is their history up to this point, then you have the vaccine, then we go from then on, that's a completely different story than the next person.

[01:02:20] And we know that from research on mice, when you vaccinate or immunize a mouse, their history before the immunization has a very strong effect on what happens after. That's just microviome stuff that's well-known, well-elucidated, and very scientific. So, we're not actually going to be able to generate any kind of vaccine that works for this situation. I got news for you, just like we were never able to stop the flu with the flu vaccine, so I just wanted to mention that.

[01:02:47] Do we actually have something really here? Does COVID-19 really exist? So, let me explain how we understand viruses. We understand viruses as exosomes or things that are extruded out of cells that are disturbed. Now, we cannot differentiate exosomes from viruses. As far as we can tell, they're the same thing. Some exosomes are good for you, just as crazy as it sounds, some viruses are good for you. Just like what I was saying, like everybody has herpes viruses.

[01:03:16] Everybody has hepatitis viruses. Everybody has corona viruses. Everybody has rhinoviruses. Everybody has HIV Viruses or retroviruses because that's part of your microviome. This is Dr. Hitt knowledge, and I have to come from a position of knowledge based on my experience, I can't go beyond my experience and I can't theorize, I'm just going to tell you what I know for sure. Dr. Hitt taught me, and this is what we did in his practice for all those years, is that when the microviome hits a threshold level that is too much for your body to handle, then you're going to start popping out with problems, hepatitis, herpes, you name it, coronavirus, whatever it is.

[01:03:57] And that is going to show up as an elevation in your viral load. That's a key term. Okay. So, now, we're going to come back to this. The extrusions of what's coming out, the viral material may not be the whole picture, might be just a part of the picture, the actual contagion in that cell may be something else, or it could be a pressure from a bacteria like Prevotella that's forcing the cell to do strange things, including extrude viral material. 

[01:04:26] To see that the poop, or the exosome, or the viral material is being pushed out of the cell is the contagion itself is a stretch. It is a stretch. It's never been proven because that's never met Koch's postulates. Meaning that you could take that poop as being pooped out of the cell, say, coronavirus material, COVID-19, and then you introduce that into a healthy environment, some might go, there's no problem, and not be affected by it at all.

[01:04:48] But then, again, if we put too much of it in there, could affect the cell because basically, you're saturating the cell with poop from the other cell, but they might not develop the same problem, but they could develop a problem because your waste products of this other cell is being saturated into this environment with the new cell. So, that can cause other problems, which all of that is well-known, actually, and well-researched. 

[01:05:12] The actual contagion of polio, herpes, hepatitis may be unknown. It may be unknown. I suspect it is. That's my personal position on it. I'm theorizing. I know, for sure, weakness of it, though, whatever the actual contagion that's causing the extrusion of exosomes or viruses out of the cell, I do know that it's an anaerobic organism because what we did at Dr. Hitt's is we used a two-step model. One is we would oxidize the anaerobic organisms, basically oxidize whatever the contagion is that's causing the extrusion of viruses. And that worked.

[01:05:48] It would eventually drop the viral load down, and the contagion load in the cells would go down, down, down. And eventually, eight weeks, people were good. The other thing that we did is we use strategies to help the immune system figure out what the actual contagion is. Now, this is another thing about coronavirus, it's very important, and many other viruses, they're coding changes very quickly, sometimes, even every day. And so, if somebody had a very aggressive cancer and there's a viral component to cancers and I do want to mention that. 

[01:06:18] I know that for sure because of my experience with Dr. Hitt, that if you are not on top of that viral coding and giving the immune system information to break down that coding, and what I mean, code, I'm talking about lines of code, meaning that it encodes itself to deceive your immune system. If you can dial in your immune system, be able to go, there is the problem, and every day, dial it in, your immune system will eventually get on top of the problem. And the way we would do that, I hate to mention it because I've been so trolled on it, it was just so gnarly how trolled I was on this particular issue, is urine injections.

[01:06:55]Luke Storey:  Oh, yeah. That's right.

[01:06:56]David Wolfe:  We would inject the person with their own urine every day when they were in very crisis situation. And what that does, it closes and tightens the feedback loop because the antibody response and the antigens, all that debris shows up in your urine, as soon as you re-inject that back in your immune system, goes, this is the problem, dials it in, tightens the feedback loop. And it was very effective, that two-pronged approach.

[01:07:22] And then, we do zinc and selenium pushes. We do magnesium pushes. We do B-vitamin, C-vitamin pushes into the person. We'd get them off of the heavy sugar and the candida-instigating diet, and get them in the right mindset. And with the ozone, and the urine injections, and the vitamin, and mineral therapies, we were very, very successful over time with people. I mean, it was remarkable. It really was, I have to say. 

[01:07:48] I was like, whoa, this is really a learning for me. And like I would go in there and help patients and stuff, and then I do a treatment myself, and sometimes, I would get to, what, the Fruteria Hidalgo in Tijuana. That's the fruit market. And I would drink coconuts there. My friend, what's his name? He was so wonderful. I'm missing him. It's been many years since we've seen each other. He would cut coconuts every day there at the market, and I would get into states like literally ecstatic bliss states of like peak health that were just incredible, truly incredible.

[01:08:24] Because if you're healthy and you're doing that kind of stuff, it takes you on a stage you didn't even know existed. And so, this has been my experience with this. So, in 1901, the type of ozone system that Tesla invented was essentially what Dr. Hitt was still using and what I still use today. I have three of them. And I've been using them for decades. They don't break. Those machines work forever because the Tesla system is very well-designed and very simple.

[01:08:52] And you need an oxygen tank and you run it through the Tesla system. It strikes an arc on the oxygen, turns it into O3, O4, O5, O6, O7, O8, O9, O10, O11, O12, O13. And then, you can pass that through, say, water, and then do that straight in as an enema, very effective. You could pass that through olive oil, and then breathe in, extraordinarily effective. In fact, I had a friend who had SARS for three months, he could not kick it. He could not kick the lung infection.

[01:09:22] This was back in 2003, 2004 when that was happening. And he came over my office one day and we bubbled the ozone through olive oil. And just say, "Here, breathe this, breathe this, breathe this, breathe this, breathe that, breathe this", two hours, it was over. That was the end. I don't want to even use the other word because of censorship and just maniacs out there who just, they are so stuck on their scientism and having to maniacally inject.

[01:09:42] Even when I was a kid, me and my friends would be like, why is it that doctors have to maniacally inject everybody with something? What is it about injecting people with stuff? Like what's that trip about, right? Even as little kids, we knew that stuff. And I've got people commenting, they're like, my 11-year olds, they know this is BS. So, even the strategy to deal with—for example, a couple days ago, a friend of mine was in Tijuana. 

[01:10:07] He got COVID-19 or whatever the contagion is because he's in a hospital, there's a lot of problems in Tijuana, by the way, with whatever this contagion is. It may not be happening in LA, but it's definitely happening in Tijuana. So, he's there helping the doctors every day, and he got whatever is going on in there, and it hit his lungs. He started going, uh-oh, he started getting hot, cold sweats, and all kinds of problems. And he hit 10 drops of coated silver, my coated silver, and he did massive medicinal mushrooms and just basically rested in 24 hours, he was well.

[01:10:40]Luke Storey:  In terms of the Ozone because I've got a generator here, and actually, yesterday, I went to the garage with my big industrial oxygen tank and filled up the little tank. But one thing I've not done, I do the rectal, then I put it in a stethoscope, I put in my ears, and I even will take a huge breath in, hold my breath, then fire it up my nose, obviously, without breathing it into my lungs. 

[01:11:04] Listener, beware, do not ever breathe those on. But I found a way to do it where I don't inhale any. But if I start to get any little sinus infection or any of that shit, just like boom, immediately gone. Never happens. But one thing I've not done is the olive oil and inhaling it. And I've seen that. I can never figure out what Gamma setting to put the machine on to run it through the olive oil because right now, I run it through water and I do like-

[01:11:28]David Wolfe:  Are you running off an oxygen tank?

[01:11:31]Luke Storey:  Yeah.

[01:11:31]David Wolfe:  Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, what you've got to do is I'd have to just look at it. You could show me. Do you want to show me? 

[01:11:38]Luke Storey:  Tubes.

[01:11:38]David Wolfe:  Okay.

[01:11:39]Luke Storey:  Yeah.

[01:11:40]David Wolfe:  I could show you what to do. Deal with infectious diseases, we already figured it out a long time ago, bro. That's what's so disturbing about this whole thing. This whole thing is we're going to have to maniacally inject people with this or that is so antiquated. It's so old school, like defunct, debunked. It's preposterous, ancient. Bleeding people was more advanced technology than this nonsense. With the ozone systems and the ability to deal with infectious diseases using like a coated silver, plus the immunological power of medicinal mushrooms, plus the zinc, and the selenium, and the magnesium pushes, and the vitamin C and the B-vitamins, dude, I know from experience and I don't even want to say it on social media because I've been trolled that heavily.

[01:12:35] I've been trolled that heavily, I don't even want to say what my experience is, but it's total, complete, we got it. We got it. No problem. It's not even close to even being an issue. But yet, we're being force-fed this—it's an aberration of consciousness. It's an aberration of technology. It's scientism. It's not science, its scientism, we're going to force-feed you this nonsense because the better technology has to be suppressed so we can make money on our pharmaceutical garbage.

[01:13:07]Luke Storey:  Right. I mean, that's the thing with an ozone generator, you spend two or three grand one time, like you said, you've had years 20 years, and all you got to do is buy oxygen. It's like the cheapest prescription of your entire life. I'm curious about, because I've seen you post the coated silver, and then my friend Eliot, who you know, he sent me this thing the other day, and he put some drops in a water, and this substance is like a vortexing on its own in the water, like a little magical cloud. I'm going, what the hell?

[01:13:38] And then, he used to be kind of my protege, and now, he's schooling me on stuff. He's like, yeah, the colloidal silver, no good, dude. No bueno. You don't want that stuff. So, I've been making colloidal silver with the Silver Puzzle for a long time. I don't really drink it, but I do eyedrops or like squirt it up my nose periodically if stuff gets weird. But what's the breakdown on like colloidal silver versus this coated silver?

[01:14:01]David Wolfe:  I think coated silver is a rediscovery of what ancient alchemists knew. They were probably using egg albumin before, where they were basically particulating these silver ions, and then spraying it into a polysaccharide matrix so that—the problem with all metals, and with zinc, the problem with silver, the problem with gold, is that it wants to clump to itself. That's why you end up with something like this, right? It's because wires and medallions, things like this, the metal wants to stick to itself.

[01:14:30] That's a big problem with colloidal silver. It's the biggest problem. So, what happens is you take the colloidal silver, and it's very good antibiotics, very effective, but as it gets in your system, debris clumps in with itself, so it forms pockets of density that when it hits your microbiome, your friendly bacteria like, whoa, this is too much in one place, and it can disturb your friendly microbiome. Now, I'm a colloidal silver user for over 20 years, so I really know colloidal silver and coated silver. 

[01:14:59] The coated silver discovery is basically, you take a nano-silver, so you take a finely particulated silver spray, and you spray it into a polysaccharide matrix, like a gel, like what would be a medicinal mushrooms or aloe vera. Aloe vera gel is a very good example of it. Then, it's in a goose, so it can't get back to itself and clump up. Now, that makes it very effective long-term for oral and digestive health. Now, I've been using it for those purposes for the last year.

[01:15:26] And it's interesting because when you spray it, like I brush my teeth with it every day, you still have bacteria in your mouth. With colloidal silver, it would kill the bacteria in my mouth. I can tell. But this, it doesn't kill the bacteria. It only kills the harmful bacteria. I still have bacteria in my mouth. And it's interesting the difference now having now, there's no way you can't go back once you're on the coated. It's like you're in a better technology. It's fascinating. It's a really big discovery. But I think it is a rediscovery of an ancient knowledge.

[01:15:57] And I know an alchemist in Europe, he studied with a great alchemist of the 20th century. And I'm thinking of, what's his name, Bernays, like the great German alchemist. He was the last great alchemist to live. He is the greatest alchemist of the 20th century. And he would use egg albumin to separate particularly like gold, so the gold ions couldn't get back to itself because the more particulated the gold is, the more powerful its effect is on you. That's my colloidal gold, but if it's on an albumin matrix or polysaccharide matrix, good. And that's exactly what's going on here with the silver. It's on a polysaccharide.

[01:16:30]Luke Storey:  That's cool. I'm going to try some of that because the other thing about just drinking colloidal silver, that's always been a little off to me is taking a lot of it, that then you're having more metals in you. And that brings us into EMFs and 5G. Now, when I interviewed Jack Kruse, he's, I think, one of the biggest opponents of RF radiation in our environment and the first guy that really tuned me into the millimeter wave element of the oncoming 5G that they're planning to roll out or maybe have in some places, is he was like, dude, you're insane to wear earrings. You shouldn't wear any jewelry. You shouldn't wear sunglasses.

[01:17:12] Well, you should wear sunglasses because you want the natural spectrum of light, but even sunglasses or reading glasses that have metal in them, he's like, you don't want metal anywhere in or on your body because it makes you an antenna. And I didn't listen to him. I still let my earrings on, whatever. But he's like, you're creating an arc of two antenna on either side of your brain. So, every time you're near RF, it's being attracted to your head. And that was his theory. And as I said, I haven't complied, but the idea of like drinking a bunch of colloidal silver and making myself more of an antenna just felt kind of weird. Do you have any thoughts on that side of it?

[01:17:49]David Wolfe:  Yes, for sure. But I should say this, I did create a little link for your people. So, I think it's LUKE2020 in fact. It's L-U-K-E-2020, all capital, L-U-K-E, all capital, 2020y. If anybody wants coated silver, and then you get the discount there, and it's at shop.davidwolfe.com. 

[01:18:08]Luke Storey:  Cool. We'll put it in the show notes, dude.

[01:18:10]David Wolfe:  Yeah. So, I did that for you for this because I think you asked somewhere along the way, I was like, well, I'll do that. Okay. So, I set that up. Anyway, these are my thoughts on that. Years ago, I had hair mineral analysis and they found that I had three times the silver of a normal person. And these are some really amazing scientists, I went to their top people, I was like, is that mainly dangerous? Do you have any evidence that that's dangerous? 

[01:18:33] And they're like, you know what, actually, we cannot say emphatically that that is dangerous, but you do have three times of silver of a normal person. It's probably because of all the years of doing colloidal silver, which, again, I don't do now, I do coated silver. And by the way, it's coated, like you wear a coat, just so people get that nuance. Anyway, is it possible that large amounts of any metal in our body could be interacting with electromagnetic fields in our environment? The answer is yes. But I would say this caveat, silver is the queen. Gold is the king. The princess is copper. Tin is thee jack. The lead is Saturn.

[01:19:19] These are actually sacred metals. And because silver is so high on the list, it's number two, it's right behind gold, it does have sacred qualities. And we can't just throw it under the bus and just say, oh, it's interacting with EMF fields in your body the same way that aluminum is. I know for sure from people who create high—you would know this, you're an audio buff. I have a friend who makes his entire audio system. It's like $10,000 a unit. It's all made out of gold and silver. That's it. Those are the only metals used. And that's high fidelity. That's the word I'm looking for. High fidelity.

[01:19:57]Luke Storey:  Right.

[01:19:58]David Wolfe:  You can't get that kind of high fidelity with copper. You can't get that high fidelity with aluminum. You can't get that high fidelity with other, nickel, lead, iron, et cetera. So, something needs to be said about the sacredness of silver in the mix of all this because there's many things we don't understand, but I will put a little bit of a bet on the sacredness of silver before I run off and say that having these silver in your body is dangerous because I have had very high amounts of silver in my body, and it's never had a negative effect on me.

[01:20:30]Luke Storey:  That's interesting. I think perhaps also, when you're dealing with this coated silver, too, it doesn't sound like it's going to bio-accumulate because it loses its ability to then kind of glum together, and hang out, and stick around for any considerable period of time, too.

[01:20:47]David Wolfe:  It feels good. That's the thing, too. When I spray it in my mouth, I'm like, every day, it's fascinating. It's like, whoa, this is not killing off my friendly—I know it's not killing off my microbiome because you can tell. You still have bacteria in your mouth, but it is good. I'm like going, well, this is like, okay, you got a little bit. I was doing a lot of durian chips, the dried durian, and it irritated a spot up here, man, because it was just too much sugar. And I just kept going. As soon as I went on the water fast and was doing that, that was it. It was gone.

[01:21:19]Luke Storey:  Right. So, wrapping up the virus piece then, do you get the sense that there is something going around that is new and wasn't here before, and that it does warrant some degree of concern? 

[01:21:39]David Wolfe:  Okay. Great question. The answer is to people who are elderly or immunocompromised, yes, there is some degree of concern. People who are hospitalized right now, there is some degree of concern. For healthy people like you and I, we could potentially get it, but defeat it very quickly, as my friend did in 24-hour period. I have another friend who is not healthy at all. He lives in New York City. He definitely has whatever this is, he's got it, and he's surviving.

[01:22:05] He's not onto our stuff and he's still making it. So, that just shows you that it's not nearly as dangerous as it was made out to be by the media. So, let me tell you a couple of things that have crossed my mind and that I do have some evidence of. Is it something that escaped from the wet market? I highly doubt it. It looks to me like there was at least three different or maybe four different fractions of whatever this contagion is that have been released in four different areas, one in California, one in Italy, one in Iran, and one in China.

[01:22:41] They could all be related, but slightly different from each other. And they could have a related genome essentially or at least the extrusion products of whatever the contagion is. Is it possible that this thing could be dangerous in and upon itself without Prevotella? Probably not. Probably not. You probably need that bacteria. To actually kill somebody, you're going to need that bacteria present in the whole microbiome of that person. The microviome of that person has to be wildly out of balance.

[01:23:12] Is it possible that we're getting false numbers? And the answer is, it appears to be yes because any situation, my cousin had a stroke, he's in the hospital right now, I can't even get to see him. He's in the United States. He's not a healthy person, but it's really an unfortunate situation. But, my God, he could actually be listed as a COVID-19 death if he can't get out of there. This has nothing to do with COVID-19, but he could go under that as a statistic. What a shocking thing that would be. He never took care of himself, was extremely difficult person his whole life.

[01:23:46] And he ended up in a hospital right now. Nobody can even get in there. And this is really another very big issue because people with legitimate health issues that could be being helped right now are not able to be helped because of all this COVID-19 nonsense that's going on in hospitals. Not that I'm an advocate of the way hospitals work, but there are some things good that happen in hospitals. There are definitely good people in hospitals and people can be helped in hospitals in certain cases, but they're not being helped because of the situation that's happening right now.

[01:24:17]Luke Storey:  Yeah. I think another strange thing about it, based on my recent interviews with Dr. Thomas Cowan and Dr. Rashid Buttar is in regard to, and I forget which one said what piece of this, but there's two really crazy things about this. One is that the tests that's being used, the standardized tests to detect COVID-19, I forgot the gentleman's name that invented the-

[01:24:43]David Wolfe:  Yeah, the PCR test, and it's an RNA PCR test, and yes. And even he was saying, don't use this for diagnosis. Meanwhile, the fact checkers today on Facebook, they're using some studies saying like hey, this is totally 100% accurate and absolutely accurate for COVID-19. Meanwhile, these other dudes in China are like, look, this is 80% inaccurate. 80%. 80% of false positives. So, right there, that's like conflict. Like how did we go from 0% to 80%, and what, we passed the same tests. And then, they're pushing this now on Facebook. Facebook and Instagram are owned by Zuckerberg and his wife, Chan, who's a total medical scientism doctor. Absolutely, we're going to vaccinate, scientism is the cure for everything, doctors know everything. She's one of those. Man, it's gnarly.

[01:25:42]Luke Storey:  Yeah, the other thing that Buttar explained to me was that in addition to the actual tests being flawed and largely inaccurate was that if you have had certain vaccines like the flu shot, it will cause you to have a false positive and test positive for COVID-19. And that was his hypothesis, was that's why you're seeing in areas like New York City that are cold, overpopulated, really dense population, that so many people get the flu vaccine. And that's why so many people are being diagnosed. Not necessarily even being sick, but just that the numbers are high relative to some other cities, because there's that piece.

[01:26:25] Then, there's the piece that fake news is using as a blanket, a debunking scheme where they're saying anyone that's questioning whether there's a correlation between the rollout of 5G and really heavy levels of EMF in certain cities like Wuhan, China that rolled it out in late 2019, they're saying that conspiracy theorists are claiming that 5G causes COVID, which I've never even heard anyone say. The hypothesis there is that there's a correlation, not causation because it's known that being in a high RF environment lowers your immune response. And so, perhaps, there is a real virus or real pathogen of some sort, we don't really know. But-

[01:27:08]David Wolfe:  Definitely, that's so important. And I'm glad you're bringing that up because this is how the system tries to twist the story and tries to go, oh, we're going from correlation to causation. They're saying it's this. And they're not actually saying that. I'm not saying that. Nobody's saying that. What we're saying is, is that 5G heats up and microwaves oxygen molecules and carbon dioxide molecules, which can affect respiration of a person. 5G is definitely strong enough to cause radiation poisoning, which can cause flu-like symptoms.

[01:27:42] So, with an 80% false positive rate with the COVID-19 PCR test, the RNA test, and then you go into a facility like a hospital and say, "I've got all these respiratory problems that I can, I have trouble breathing", you're going to get labeled COVID-19. Next thing you know, they're going to put you through that whole rigmarole. Meanwhile, all it was radiation poisoning from all the Wi-Fi, and all the 5G, and all the other networks, and computers, and everything else that surround us. You're actually just dealing with radiation poisoning.

[01:28:09] I think everybody in our field has been very clear about that. But I think it's very clear that the system, number one, doesn't want anybody to believe that 5G can be weaponized. 5G is perfectly fine. What do you mean there's a problem with 5G? There's definitely an agenda of that. And there's definitely an agenda to increase the belief that there's an actual contagion out there that is really, mostly being categorized as people already have trouble, and already have respiratory infections, and other causes.

[01:28:45]Luke Storey:  I mean, to me, a simple experiment, if you want to be an armchair scientist, is put a raw steak that's all juicy and full of blood and water in a microwave and watch what happens. Turns into fucking shoe leather. It dehydrates tissue. I mean, just that fundamentally is enough to be like, okay. And if there's exorbitant levels of RF in a urban environment. And seeing some of these areas, people are confused. They think that the millimeter wave thing has been totally rolled out and that that's all 5Gs.

[01:29:20] Just to clarify, based on my research and interviewing a lot of brilliant people, it's the fifth generation. And what they're doing right now is piggybacking on the old 4G network and adding more towers, but it's not in most places in the millimeter wave range. But what's happening is like in LA, we've got T-Mobile is on 600 megahertz. And that was a frequency range that was not used before for 4G.

[01:29:42] And so, they've added that. So, now, you have like 1,900, you have all the other ranges of frequency that were 3G, 4G, LTE, et cetera. Now, you're piling all these other frequencies on top of that with even more towers. And so, it's that the environment is becoming more and more inundated with not only the levels becoming higher, but also the range of frequencies that our body has no way to cope with at all. And-

[01:30:10]David Wolfe:  I want to throw something out because you've been talking to Dr. Cowan and some of your people, they've heard Dr. Cowan, and they've been listening to him. And I am a very deep student of Rudolf Steiner. I read Rudolf Steiner every single day.

[01:30:21]Luke Storey:  As does he.

[01:30:22]David Wolfe:  As does he. And so, let me tell you what Rudolf Steiner said primarily because no one said this. I'm amazed, not even Dr. Cowan. I'm like, dude, you got to say this first. What Dr. Rudolf Steiner said actually before even getting into the danger of what's going to happen with the electrification of the Earth and the propagation of plagues as a result of that by essentially lowering people's immunity and causing them an inability. It's causing radiation poisoning.

[01:30:49] But what he said way before that is more primary, is that with each stage of electrification, the population is dumbed down. Steiner said that first and foremost. No one said that. I've been like, dude, Dr. Cowan, tell them. Come on, bro. That's the first thing. He says, with every stage of electrification, the population gets dumbed down. That is so important to understand that. And that's why what we see today is like, dude, every day, I've got to like fix a roof, climb on this, hammer this thing together, put this thing, figure out how to deal with them. 

[01:31:29] It's like forest living, right? You're living in the forest, you got to deal with like all these different things that are natural problems that a human being is supposed to deal with, and it keeps your intellect up. It keeps your wit up. Once you get into that urban jungle of all that Wi-Fi and radiation, everything, electricity all around you, all of that part of you that makes you human that is an important part of your humanity is dissipated. It's just amazing how that's just lost.

[01:31:55] And what that's done to our experience on Earth, like one of my favorite experiences is outsmarting the animals. That's one that's a natural human experience as opposed to like I've got my whole yard set up to keep the deer out. I don't have any fences. I've never put a fence up, but I've got it set up so that they go, I don't know if I want to be right here. And it's just a natural use of our humanity. And this is, again, a very Rudolf Steiner thing. With each stage of electrification, we're also losing our humanity.

[01:32:27]Luke Storey:  Yeah, makes a lot of sense. And also, when I interviewed, I think it was Cowan, he mentioned a book that was in the show notes for that episode, but with each stage of electrification follows some sort of pandemic or plague, right? So, the first one being when we rolled out 60 hertz in the United States, then there was a wave of illness then. And when radar was invented and used in World War I—I forgot the timelines or exactly what it was, but there are these stages. 

[01:32:55] And then, you can have this correlation between that and not only, as you said, the dumbing down and just kind of like dampening of our innate senses, but also the rollout of new pandemics. And it's just like no one's really paid attention to the one we're in because everyone's like, oh, faster downloads. It's like, dude, it's like funny. It's funny to be human at this point in time when we're knowing we're going to look back, and this is the asbestos, this is the big tobacco.

[01:33:25] This is the lead paint. We're going to be like, oh, why didn't we think of that as we've decimated the bee population and possibly, therefore, the human food supply? It's incredible to watch. I wanted to ask you one other thing on this because we were going to get into this last time in our episode 128 conversation, and we didn't. And this is one that I find more and more people are waking up to, which is wonderful is the existence of aerosol spraying or geoengineering in our skies, as is commonly called chem trails. And not even like using that word because then, people go, dude, those are just controls, that's just planes. That's what they do. 

[01:34:08] Okay. I've been noticing this phenomenon since probably 1995, '96, living in LA. I started looking up in the sky going, huh, why is there tic tac toe patterns all over the sky that arrive in the morning when it was a totally clear day. And then, after they sort of like dissipate, become more diffused, now, it's a cloudy day when no clouds ever came. What planes fly in tic tac toe patterns, not coming in and out of LAX? What airport are they coming from because you don't fly from like south central to the valley, you know what I mean? Like they're going all different directions.

[01:34:44]David Wolfe:  It's against FAA regulations. You can't cross paths. I mean, the whole idea that there's going to be a crossed path, is that's against flight regulations, I mean, right there.

[01:34:55]Luke Storey:  Okay. And then, he phenomena I started to notice was, because when I asked about it, fringe people would say, dude, that's geoengineering. That's chem trails They're blocking out the sun, and this, and that. Okay. Well then, maybe that's true, but I do remember being a kid and watching planes in the sky laying in the grass, and you'd see this little trail behind the plane, and then it would dissipate. And that's what the contrarians say chem trails are.

[01:35:18] No, that's just chem trails. Then, I started to see both of them happening in the same sky at the same time, where you see like a chem trail plane going by, just this huge spray that lasts all day. And then, you see another plane right near it or crossing by with a kind of trail that dissipates like it would in nature, condensation, right? And so, right there, that debunked it. And then, for the people that would say, well, that's just normal flight patterns. 

[01:35:45] Well, I live in LA where there's a lot of air traffic every single day of the year and take two days that have the exact same level of humidity, the exact same weather. One day, the entire sky is full of chem trails. The next day, there's not one. So, does that mean we've ceased all air travel that day? It's just like such common sense idiocy to even question that's going on. Now, what's in them? Why they're doing it? Who's behind it? Is it that nefarious? Is it for our own good? Is it one of those things that eventually will, oh, thank God, the government did that and didn't tell us? I don't know.

[01:36:20] But I do know that it's happening. Here's my question to you or just a statement, and see if you've noticed this, too. Very strangely, when Donald Trump was elected president of the United States of America, the day he took office, chem trails in LA stopped for about six months. And it was weird because I'm paranoid. I'm always looking up at the chem trails. I try not to, and I'm addicted to it because they're weird.

[01:36:47] And I thought, holy shit, because he's so fiscally motivated, and his platform is all about the economy, at least, that's what he says and has proven to be true up until this shutting down the economy by the powers that be that are reversing that progress that he and the country made. But I thought maybe he realized this thing was going on. And it's an added expense. It's a line item that doesn't make sense to him. And so, he stopped the program. I was like, fuck, yeah.

[01:37:13] Out of all the weird things going on, at least, we got that. But then, they started again and have been periodic. But I will say, in the past couple of years, less than prior years in LA, although I see them in countries where I didn't used to see them, which is a whole other thing. But what's really trippy to me, which is my main point here, is since the lockdown started, I've not seen one chem trail in LA the entire time. And I brought that up on social media. And the idiots on social media said, "That's because there's not so many planes flying."

[01:37:47]David Wolfe:  Well, I think that that's why they're doing it, right? They're probably re-calibrating all their systems. They're resetting everything. And then, they're falling right into a narrative that would make it look like, hey, since there's not much planes flying, this is a perfect time so we can re-calibrate everything, then we'll get everybody also to believe that the actual plane flights are really just real plane flights instead of chem trail, planes.

[01:38:11] I've had a lot of observations of this over the years. One is that the height above normal air traffic. Let's say, that air traffic maxes out at 40,000 feet. From 42,000 feet to 50,000 feet is where a lot of chem trailing is occurring. And I know that from traveling all over the world for years and years, we would fly through them or you could see them above you. You would be like, oh, they're above us. This is where this is actually happening.

[01:38:38] And I have seen data and FAA regulations where they move the ceiling down for commercial jet aircraft over the years because there's so much activity in that 42,000 to 50,000 altitude, which is the chem trail activity, I suspect is what's going on. The original stuff started with NATO when it really got going, even though it began before NATO all the way back to I think it was project. What was it? Project Cirrus, I think, goes way back even before NATO.

[01:39:07] But most of the chem trailing in the world is occurring through NATO. And this is showing us, by the way, that like we thought that, oh, we won that war, and look how great we are, and look at all those jingoism, and everything else. We never won nothing. We didn't win a damn thing with that war still going on. Now, it's on us. Now, NATO's spraying us, right? So, this is how dangerous wars are, that things can get started like a NATO that gets out of control, that's not under control of the US government or any government.

[01:39:36] And suddenly, they've got aerial dominance over the United States, and Canada, and Europe, and everywhere, and Iceland. I've seen them be chem trailing as far north as the very north of Iceland, too. There is a pathway that they do that cuts right across the top of Iceland, right down through Reykjavik. And they do it semi-regularly, but I have seen it enough to know that that's a route that they do. That's a spray route. So, it goes that high up, which is very high up. And we're talking like 64, 65 north latitude.

[01:40:10]Luke Storey:  That's insane. Also, considering that the narrative that has leaked out, I mean, Bill Gates is on record talking about, we've invented a way to block out the sun, and I love the way that when the powers that be discussed, the idea of geoengineering, it's always discussed as something they're just thinking about doing some day that this new idea that could work to combat global warming. It's like, what, you're going to do it? But it's this idea. 

[01:40:37] And let's just say, again, playing devil's advocate and siding with the Illuminati here for a moment, that let's just say it's for our own good and there is such a thing as global warming, whether it be manmade or actually caused by the sun and the radiation from the sun, which is kind of more the way I would lean personally based on ice core drillings and just actual factual history of the earth's temperature. But let's just say, okay, the whole planet is going to burn up. So, we've got to spray some shit in the air to cool the surface of the planet. Then, how do you explain it being sprayed over places where all there is, is ice, and mountains, and also-

[01:41:18]David Wolfe:  It's definitely sprayed. I know for sure because, again, this is breaking a 26-year travel streak for me right now. I'm one of most well-traveled people on Earth. I've traveled every week for so many years, it would boggle people's minds. There's no question that population centers are more heavily chem trailed. No question about it. I know that for a fact.

[01:41:38]Luke Storey:  Right. I've noticed that in London. In London and New York City, that it's just all day long. Whereas if I go to Colorado, where my dad lives, you see a few fly by. They still do it. But it's not tic tac toe all day long, just blanketing, blanketing, blanketing.

[01:41:51]David Wolfe:  London is the worst I've ever seen.

[01:41:53]Luke Storey:  London is the worst. And God bless our friends in London, but surveillance, just new world order. Central London gives me the creeps, dude. The shutting down of people that talk against the rape, grooming gangs, and calling them Islamophobes, and all the denial, and the corruption in the police force. London, the UK, in general, is a really weird place. So, do you see anything positive coming in terms of the geoengineering and in terms of people becoming more aware of it that it stands any chance of being truly exposed and no longer considered a conspiracy theory when you have like John Brennan, when he was head of the CIA, admitting that it's happening? It's on video. I mean, you can watch it.

[01:42:41]David Wolfe:  When you look at like things like Frank and Skies and these other films that collate that data, and like here's them telling you what they're doing, it starts to just make itself evident. And there's a growing population of people out there that they know it. It's self-evident. It's just obvious what's going on. And the fact that we are basically incapable of defending our own country's skies is very gnarly, what that means. It's a very gnarly discovery.

[01:43:10] And it's like who's really running things? Is the US Air Force really doing anything for us? I mean, who's really running this? And then, I have definitely noticed over our lifetime, and especially in the last 10 years, I think most of it's being done by drone now. I don't think there's many pilots involved at all. I think it could be mostly drone. Now, let's just say I took a little aircraft that was this big, right? 

[01:43:35] And I put it up in the sky way up there, you couldn't tell the size of it at a certain distance. So, what could be going on is they could be putting up model craft up there at a certain height that to your eye, you go, oh, that thing's at a certain distance or is a certain deal, but I have seen evidence that it's not, that what the chem trail plane actually is could be a much smaller craft, but made to your eye appear to be higher up or closer down or bigger than it actually is.

[01:44:10] And that's just something that like for example, it's just like take a drone and fly it up there, and just very quickly, you lose sight of it. You're like, boom, it just disappeared. So, they start going, okay, how big would it have to be? Well, maybe the thing that's flat out there is one third the size of a commercial jet airliner. It's made to look like a commercial jet airliner, but it's actually a drone. That all, I've been through all of that research. And I think there's something to it.

[01:44:40]Luke Storey:  The thing that I find troubling about it, even though, obviously, like you are remaining positive and having the best life ever, just kind of watching the freak show that is the state of humanity. 

[01:44:50] It's a cosmic giggle. I do want to get into that, dude. The cosmic giggle is it's at all time highs. I mean, something's got to balance this thing out, man. I have never seen better memes.

[01:45:02] Oh, yeah. Your telegram channel is great. I snatched a lot of memes and shared to my other groups. And I'll post them on Instagram, whatever, kick me off, fuck you. Yeah, you, Instagram, I'm talking to you. But other thing that's weird about the chem trails, and I'll close that topic with this, is the electrification of the air with 3, 4, 5G. And now, the air being largely, almost everywhere in the world, being full of metal particulate, and now, conductive. I mean, air is already conductive because it's got humidity in it. It has electrolytes, right? So, it's already able to be electrified. But I'm like what is happening now when you have like aluminum dust everywhere in the air, and now, you're sending RF through that? Like it's so weird. It's just so weird. So-

[01:45:51]David Wolfe:  I do want to bring this up. People say, well, the 5G could be weaponized to electrify the air right in front of you and microwave the oxygen and carbon dioxide right in front of your mouth, that kind of thing, it's doing that any way. When that thing's on, it's actually radiating, and it's making the oxygen excited, and the carbon dioxide excited. And people are breathing that in anyway. Just because that thing's on over there doesn't mean it's not affecting you over here. If that wind blows over here, next thing you know, you're breathing in those high-energy radioactive, by definition, particles of oxygen and carbon dioxide.

[01:46:28]Luke Storey:  Yeah.

[01:46:29]David Wolfe:  I just want to throw that in there.

[01:46:31]Luke Storey:  Yeah. No, that's good. And I think in a lighthearted way, we've covered a lot of stuff here that to some people, especially people newer to these types of topics, could be kind of terrifying and leave them with like, wow, should I just jump off a bridge now? This is all hopeless. What do you do personally to stay engaged, and sharing information in the ways in which you do, and making a contribution to awaken people? What do you have to offer in terms of us not being so myopic and getting caught in the fear and anxiety, and like being trapped in a limbic system trauma loop about the man trying to kill us and keep us down, and Epstein, and chem trails, and viruses? 

[01:47:14] And I mean, if you start to become awakened, it's terrifying in the sense if you don't have a spiritual framework where you understand and live from a place of consciousness, that you're not your body, and therefore, you can't be harmed. I mean, this is my framework, is like I actually can't be harmed because I'm not a body. And I know that, I forget it a lot of the time because I feel my body, I'm kind of stuck in it unless I take an ayahuasca. And so, it's like, how do you maintain joy, and happiness, and love when there's so much deception and evil presence in our experience?

[01:47:50]David Wolfe:  One of my favorite people, and I think you know him well is Reverend Michael Beckwith. 

[01:47:55]Luke Storey:  Oh, yeah.

[01:47:56]David Wolfe:  And he's one of my favorite people to hang out with. And I like the way he addresses that exact question, which is just it's all perspective. From one perspective, the evil that we're dealing with, the parasites that we're dealing with, they're important because they're the resistance that's helping us evolve and develop our soul's journey. They're creating the story of our lives because without that resistance, we're in the light. We don't even need to be in this body. We're in the light. We don't need to be here, right? 

[01:48:21] So, the perspective is very important, which is these forces, and always go back to the Rudolph Steiner perspective, which is you have the Luciferic force, which is the escapism, and the false light, and the disintegrated force. And you have the Ahrimanic forces, which is the sedimentary concretization, materialistic, mechanistic, and soulless energies. And those two types of evil beset humankind. And we have to stay in that middle between those. And that's our life path.

[01:48:50] And that's part of our journey. That's part of the excitement of life. Without the resistance, there's no fun. So, you have to maintain that perspective because that's the reality of it. From the higher perspective, that evil is resistance that needs to be there. It's parasitic forces that are developing you as a being, as a soul. They're developing your life's story. How are we going to have the greatest story ever told if it's not interesting?

[01:49:14]Luke Storey:  Yeah. That's a great way to frame that. And it reminds me of the ways in which I have to reconcile darkness and that there is inherently so much suffering in the human experience. And it's exactly that. It's like, I imagine, say, you take say you take a postgraduate PhD, and you put them in a kindergarten class, it's like if this was easy and there were no opposing dualistic energies for us to have to overcome, then there would be no benefit to a human incarnation. And I think that's the folly of so many people that want, just loving light, unicorns and rainbows, a perfect world.

[01:49:58] Like what are you going to get out of a perfect world? Because how are you going to learn anything? There's no adversity to overcome. And you don't have the depth of contrast or choice from which to elevate your consciousness because your consciousness and everything else in your environment is already elevated, which I'm assuming, the states that you achieve when you leave the body and live in these angelic realms, not incarnated or embodied. And so, we've chosen to come here, be in this pain in the ass body with the sore back, with chem trails, with 5G, with Hitlers, with all the shit that we have to deal with.

[01:50:35]David Wolfe:  That's nuts, man. I mean, right now, it's peaking out. That's a Rudolf Steiner thing, too. He said that in the 21st century, from about 2016 to 2040, the whole thing peaks out, the Ahrimanic deception peaks out. And he actually says, if we're going to be totally honest with Rudolf Steiner, he actually says that Ahriman takes the body. Meaning that Ahriman's actually—the way that Rudolf Steiner describes it is that he's a four-body type of being. 

[01:51:02] So, you have your astral body, which is really your soul. You have ether body, which is the formative forces that make you. You Have your physical body. We got that. We know what that is. And then, you have your eye and ego formation, which is your personality, your individuation. And what survives your death is your astral body, your soul, right? And what he says is that Ahriman, which is actually an energy, an entity, a consciousness, an astral region of the lower astral realms actually takes a body in this century. 

[01:51:32] And he says it happens and it peaks right between 2016 and 2040. So, to me, I'm like, this is the greatest story ever told. This is the craziest thing of all time. This is going to be nuts. So, this is going to be really, really interesting. And so, this COVID-19 stuff is really up to the whole thing of like, oh, it's on. It's definitely on right now. And it's interesting, too, is we incarnated right at that time.

[01:52:01] Right at that time when the whole thing peaks out. And it's exciting times to be alive and we're just going to—and people ask me every day, how do I battle this? What I do about this? No problem. Keep putting the truth out there. Keep living your truth. Keep living your dream, right? Because you don't let this stuff affect your dreams. Keep living your dreams. Keep going after your goals. And in spite of it all, have the best day ever.

[01:52:25]Luke Storey:  I love it, dude. Thank you for the perspective. In closing, who have been three teachers that have influence your life and your work that you might recommend we check out?

[01:52:34]David Wolfe:  Definitely, Rudolf Steiner is my favorite. I mean, just, dude, whoa. I mean, people ask me, what should I start with? Probably The Philosophy of Freedom. That's the most mainstream of Rudolf Steiner's stuff. Beyond that, he got too esoteric. It was too much for people. But The Philosophy of Freedom. Next person is Viktor Schauberger, who showed me that not all technology is bad, just the type of technology that we have, which is exploding stuff. We're taking stuff that's been formed, and then blowing it up to create energy, right? It's kind of like Newton versus Viktor Schauberger. Newton said, why does the apple fall from the tree? Victor Schauberger said, how did that apple get up there in the first place?

[01:53:13]Luke Storey:  Right. 

[01:53:13]David Wolfe:  So, Viktor Schauberger's research is really great. I recommend anything you can find on Viktor Schauberger. And then, bringing it to reality, like play around with the water technology he talks about. And then, the third one we haven't talked about is my personal, I think, favorite author of all time, a total contrarian and just an X Factor dude, best ever, Charles Fort, F-O-R-T. He wrote four books. The Book of the Damned, Wild Talents, Low and New Lands. Those four books. You can get them all in one big volume. He was the main inspiration for Stephen King. Many of Stephen King's books are based on Charles Fort's discoveries for lack of a better term.

[01:53:55] And what I love about Fort's stuff is you think you know something, you think you've got it figured out, you think you've got an angle on something, check this out. And all of a sudden, he just obliterates everything. It just shows you have it. It's like, you think you know something about this, well, you think werewolves are all fake, and ridiculous, and just a total hoax, look at this evidence. You think Bigfoot is a hoax and totally stupid, look at this. It just goes on, and on, and on, and on in every subject. And his style of writing is a favorite.

[01:54:29]Luke Storey:  Awesome, man. Well, thank you for the recommendations. We'll put those in the show notes. And in closing, where can we find you? Social media, websites, et cetera.

[01:54:38]David Wolfe:  David Avocado Wolfe here on Instagram. David Avocado Wolfe on Facebook. And then, from there, I can direct you into my telegram, which is t.me/davidavocadowolfe. So, http://-T as the letter T-.me/davidavocadowolfe. You can find me on Telegram Messenger.

[01:54:57]Luke Storey:  Awesome, dude. Well, thanks so much for joining me again. It's been great to catch up. And I'm glad we got to go into some of the more fringe stuff that we were just beginning to touch on in our last conversation when you're at my house. And so, I think we like nailed everything we could possibly do today up until this point. And we'll talk again in a few when things get even weirder.

[01:55:16]David Wolfe:  What is it? When things get weird, the weird go pro, something like that. 

[01:55:23]Luke Storey:  I love it.

[01:55:25]David Wolfe:  That's what's happening right now. Dude, thanks so much. It's been great. Thanks for everybody joining us on Instagram. You guys have the best day ever. And we'll be in touch.

[01:55:32]Luke Storey:  See you soon.

[01:55:33]David Wolfe:  Yeah. Cheers, bro.

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