[00:00:01] Luke: My lovely wife. I really enjoy doing these episodes with you.

[00:00:06] Alyson: Oh, I'm happy to hear that. It is cozy. We've got Cookie here all nestled in snoring, and we're up in our altar loft, and it does feel nice.

[00:00:18] Luke: Well, I've had for, I guess, a few years, one open spot, which is usually the last Friday of the month. And typically those have AMA shows where I answer questions from the listeners and things like that. But it's much more fun to sit down and have a conversation with you.

[00:00:38] Alyson: Okay.

[00:00:39] Luke: Yeah, I'm excited to expand this format, and thank you for your willingness to come out of your hibernation cave, your media hibernation.

[00:00:49] Alyson: Yeah. All sorts of hibernation, but yeah, media would be one.

[00:00:52] Luke: Yeah. So I think what I'd like to start with is just the sigh of relief on both of our behalves. Alyson and I went to Houston, which was an excruciating drive from Austin. That's a whole other story. I don't know. I must be getting older, man. A three, four-hour drive, I'm like smoked for a whole day afterward. But anyway, I heard about this service called Prenuvo probably a couple years ago.

[00:01:23] Alyson: I didn't know it had been around that long.

[00:01:25] Luke: I think it's been around for a minute, and I wish I remember who told me about it. But anyway, I just vaguely looked into it and I saw that it was a full body MRI, a diagnostic tool. And I was like, oh, I don't want contrast. I don't want the radiation. I'm not doing it. And I blew it off without looking too much into it. And then in light of your recent--

[00:01:47] Alyson: Journey.

[00:01:47] Luke: Bodily discovery that you can talk about, I looked into it again, and I was like, oh shit. They don't use contrast, and they don't use radiation. And it's just an incredible technology for detecting things for which you might not have symptoms. So if you have tumors or ulcers, lesions on your liver, just anything that could possibly be going on.

[00:02:11] Alyson: I saw a clip of one girl because I've just recently been hearing about it, so I thought it was brand, brand new. Because I'm just, for whatever reason in the last few months, feel like I'm seeing it everywhere. In one clip I saw there's a younger girl, and if I'm not mistaken, she discovered she's got like an enlarged liver or fatty liver or something. And so you can find all sorts of mysterious things.

[00:02:31] Luke: Well, I looked into it further this morning, of course after the fact, and it detects around 500 different conditions. So we drove to Houston. You lay in an MRI machine, and you can't move at all, or they have to start over. Which by the way, I was impressed that you didn't get claustrophobic in there. You were super chill. When I was laying in my machine, you were in the next room. I was thinking, oh man, I hope she's okay. This is a long time.

[00:02:57] Alyson: Well, the funny thing is we discovered very quickly as soon as we got into the car, we had both been praying for the other one. I had been praying for you because of your tinnitus and your ears ringing, and an MRI, I don't know how they figured out how to do a full body MRI with no dyes and no radiation.

[00:03:15] However, there is still the sounds that just happen with the MRI machines. And so I was fine with that, but I was praying for your tinnitus, and then you were thinking of me and just that more of a chamber-type experience that I did have to relieve some trauma over the last couple of years. But we were both totally fine. I was completely fine.

[00:03:37] Luke: It was loud as shit. I had earplugs and those ear protection you wear when you go shooting. Both of them and there was still just rattling my brain. And no fault to them. I just have sensitive ears. But yeah, my tinnitus was like crazy for two or three days after. But a lot of that's driving on the freeways and the 5G and just like--

[00:04:00] Alyson: And also worth it because one of the objectives for you doing the scan was to see if there was a potential discovery for what's causing your tinnitus. So it was like a double-edged situation.

[00:04:12] Luke: Yeah, exactly. So anyway, moral of the story is it can take, I think, up to two weeks to get your results or something, and ours came back in three days or something.

[00:04:21] Alyson: Five days.

[00:04:22] Luke: So I'll let you share your experience, but I've been feeling great and don't really have any issues other than the ears. And I've worked on that. I'm sure people are sick of hearing about it, but I've tried so many-- it's probably the most challenging thing in my life that I've experienced in a long time. And it's just ongoing. And people, of course, are caring and make suggestions to me. People send me DMs all the time like, try that, try that, try. I've tried it all.

[00:04:52] Alyson: Yeah.

[00:04:53] Luke: So I'm praying for a miracle. But one of the things that could be a potential issue if you have chronic issues with your ears and they get worse as mine have, my audiologist, Kristen, that I've been working with, who's great, I'll put a link to her clinic in the show notes. She's been amazing. She's been nudging me to get an MRI because it could be a brain tumor or something like that.

[00:05:14] And really the main reason I didn't want to do it was because I don't want to fill my body with that contrast. That stuff is super toxic. And for those listeners that know what deuterium is, it's a heavy hydrogen molecule that's not great for you. I've done multiple podcasts on it. That contrast that they use is basically like solid deuterium. It's one of the issues with it, but it's not good. It's hard to get out of your body. So I was like, eh, I'll take the brain tumor if I have--

[00:05:44] Alyson: Honey.

[00:05:45] Luke: Yeah. But anyway, we got the results.

[00:05:48] Alyson: Don't say that. Actually, to the divine, to pure love God, goddess, that's a Ctrl, Alt, Delete.

[00:05:54] Luke: That's a Delete. Yes, sir. I was just kidding, universe. So we read Alyson's results last night first, and then looked at mine, and it's so comprehensive. It goes through every area of the body. And of course I'm looking at the brain, and a relief to know that there wasn't anything wrong.

[00:06:12] But it was also, for me, very affirming because the minor issues that the scan did detect were things that I've just intuitively or through pain signaling and such know about my body already. So there was a little sinus inflammation. Possible infection check. Knew about that. Been working on that. My right hip's been not the best shape. Known that for 25 years. Been working on that and so on. A little bit of-- I don't know. Usually I think older guys get enlarged prostate. I think mine was smaller or something.

[00:06:48] Alyson: Yours was regular. It's like normally less than-- I remember seeing the numbers three zero and yours was two five. Two five what, I don't know.

[00:06:57] Luke: But I've noticed there's something going on with that, so I've done some different treatments and things like that on it. Nothing alarming, but it was just cool being-- How old am I? Am I 54?

[00:07:10] Alyson: I think you're turning 54.

[00:07:12] Luke: Oh yeah, I'm about to turn 54.

[00:07:14] Alyson: Maybe by the time this comes out you'll just--

[00:07:15] Luke: This comes out on the 25th, and my birthday is the 29th.

[00:07:18] Alyson: So happy early birthday.

[00:07:20] Luke: Thank you, sweetie. But yeah, I'll read things that are like older men that are over 45, and I'm like, whoa, I'm an older-- I don't feel like an older guy. Mentally I'm still pretty young and playful and silly and feel, but the reality is many guys my age start having a lot of physical problems. So it was reassuring to see, wow, all of the effort that I've put in all these years despite living such a destructive lifestyle for the first couple decades of my life, that I'm in really good shape. There was nothing alarming going on.

[00:07:53] Alyson: Well, and to your point about catching a couple of the things that you've been aware of for a long time, that also gave me peace of mind because, how do I say this? I felt completely confident with the scan, but seeing that it detected that my left knee has some issues, and yes, from all of my days of intense running and running at University of Alabama, I have actually had a lateral release on that knee.

[00:08:19] That's been a thing also for me for years. It detected that, and there was-- forget what else, but there was one other thing that I had been aware of, and that just made me feel doubly assured that their MRI doesn't skip over or miss anything.

[00:08:35] Luke: Totally. Yeah. And there was also things like, with you, you have minor scoliosis

[00:08:40] Alyson: Yeah. I was like, since when?

[00:08:42] Luke: Couple of bulging discs and stuff.

[00:08:44] Alyson: Well, we had a couple similar things. We both had mild scoliosis, and we both had a little hernia in our belly buttons. It was cute. We had some couples things.

[00:08:55] Luke: And I had an extra vertebrae. I'm a reptilian or something. I have a tail or something.

[00:09:01] Alyson: Yeah, you have an extra lower lumbar vertebrae. Normally people have five, and you have six.

[00:09:07] Luke: Maybe that's why my butt's so small.

[00:09:09] Alyson: and then you have little tiny baby buns.

[00:09:11] Luke: These very little space between the end of the thigh and the bottom of the spine.

[00:09:15] Alyson: Yeah. You have little tinies.

[00:09:17] Luke: It's like a little Whitecastle burgers.

[00:09:19] Alyson: I wish we could remember. I didn't mean to chuckle, but you had some mild inflammation around-- the name of what they said you had was very funny. And I couldn't help but laugh before I even knew what it was. And I was like, "Oh God, what if this is something bad?" So I tried, but the name of that, gosh, wish I knew it.

[00:09:37] Luke: Well, it's cool the way your scan results come out. Everything of concern is clickable. And so I don't think either of us had any that were like warning.

[00:09:48] Alyson: No, they're all mild.

[00:09:49] Luke: They all said like minor or then--

[00:09:51] Alyson: Just informational.

[00:09:52] Luke: Yeah, just informational, like, "Hey, don't worry about this, but this is something that was found kind of thing." So anywho, for me, it's just sigh relief. And also to zero in on those couple of things that I've been aware of, but that require a little more attention.

[00:10:07] So I think for my hip I'm going to be stepping up. I've done a lot of stem cells and all kinds of things, but I'm going to be stepping up the PEMF, that machine that scares you that makes big magnetic fields, the ARC PEMF, about which I'll be doing a podcast with its creator.

[00:10:24] Alyson: It's just, yeah, I'm so energy sensitive. I can literally feel when you have it on in your office before I even get there. And if I have to tell you something, I literally have to open the door, say it really fast, and shut it immediately. I cannot be in that field. It's just too strong for me.

[00:10:40] Luke: It is the most powerful PEMF I have ever experienced.

[00:10:44] Alyson: I can attest to that.

[00:10:45] Luke: But on that note, it has an intensity setting, and you can set it super, super low, and it's one of the best things to heal knees. me and my--

[00:10:55] Alyson: Well, if we go all the way low, I would be willing to try. Or do you have it all the way cranked up?

[00:11:00] Luke: Oh God, no. I would fly across the room.

[00:11:02] Alyson: Oh my God. That's not cranked up, the level you have? Do you have it medium?

[00:11:07] Luke: Yeah, probably medium-ish. Yeah.

[00:11:10] Alyson: Wow.

[00:11:11] Luke: Yeah. But you can control the speed of the frequency too. So if you have it on a lower frequency, then it clicks less frequent.

[00:11:21] Alyson: I can actually feel the frequency even as we're talking about it.

[00:11:24] Luke: Yeah. So if you have it set on a slower one, you turn up high, it's like boom, boom, boom. And it'll move your body. But then you can set it on the click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click. Anyway, we could play around with it. But I'm super excited to have that. I've been into PEMF for a long time, but there's so many different devices out there, and it was really hard to finally zero in on what I believe to be the most natural in the way that it mimics the earth's magnetism.

[00:11:51] Yeah. So that was my Prenuvo situation. I'd love to hear about yours. People listening, I just looked this up before we started because I wasn't sure where they had it. We were bummed they didn't have it in Austin, but at least they had it in Houston. But they also have it in Vancouver, San Francisco, LA, Dallas, Minneapolis, Chicago, Boca Raton, New York City, Scottsdale. And then they're coming soon to Atlanta and Washington, DC. So it's cool. I think these things should be in every freaking town in the country.

[00:12:22] Alyson: Yeah. I wish I had been a founder or an investor because I think it's brilliant.

[00:12:27] Luke: Yeah, it's pretty cool. So tell us about your boobies.

[00:12:31] Alyson: That's an interesting segue for those who have no clue what's going on, and not many do. Yes, I will share about my sacred breasts. Whew. Yeah, I have definitely not told this story publicly. Just a few of our close friends here in the Austin area know. So I'm just tuning in in real time, like, how do I begin? How do I want to say this? I guess I could have done that before we sat down and hit record. Okay. It was just about a month and a week ago, so pretty recently. I tend to live a pretty naked lifestyle, literally. I very rarely wear clothes in the house.

[00:13:22] Luke: Or in the yard.

[00:13:23] Alyson: Or in the yard. That's very true.

[00:13:25] Luke: We had to install 15-foot bamboo along our fence because there's one point at which the neighbors can look in.

[00:13:33] Alyson: Yeah. So I was on our couch and I just happened to stretch back or put my arms behind my head, and my periphery and/or my intuition guided my line of vision down to my left breast, and there was a visible, a noticeable lump that was lifting up out of the side closest to my armpit.

[00:14:06] And I very quickly felt a sense of alarm, and then I very quickly went into reminding myself to breathe and get into a state of calmness. And then I took a few deep breaths and then called you over and asked you to come sit next to me and get up to where my line of sight was so you could see from the same vantage point that I was at.

[00:14:33] And I took a deep breath and got ready, and I leaned back and lifted up my arm again so that you could see what I saw. And we just looked at each other, and I just remember there was this unspoken communication going back and forth between you and I just from our eyes of like, okay, we have both seen this. We are both aware. We're going to stay calm, and we're going to get on this. I felt like a whole conversation took place in a matter of one or two seconds. I don't know if you felt that as well. Did you feel that?

[00:15:08] Luke: Yeah.

[00:15:09] Alyson: So from there, yeah, it gets a little blurry, but I just remember, because I'm a big believer in really being as intentional as you can about the place from which and the energy and energy field from which you are taking steps being really important, we just both set sail on this quest from a really trust filled, calm filled, optimistic filled place of discovery. And I have been incredibly healthy my entire life to the point where I've never had a-- I don't even know what you call them. What are the doctors where people, when you go somewhere, they're like--

[00:16:02] Luke: A physical?

[00:16:03] Alyson: Well, no, but they asked for the name of your primary care physician. And I'm always just like, I don't even know what that is because, by the grace of God, and I guess my genetics and whatever else, just other than passing some kidney stones, I've never needed a doctor, never needed to go to a hospital and all the things. So this was a whole new vibe for me.

[00:16:26] And knowing that there was something clearly going on, you and I both honed in on our first step that felt right being the thermography scan. And thankfully there's a really great place. I believe it's called Austin Thermography, and a really lovely woman named Amanda is at the helm of that.

[00:16:47] And so we got that scheduled right away, and that was intriguing, and it sure did. When we got the scan sent back to me, it exactly showed the heat spots in the precise area that the lump was visible. And also there was additional tenderness up into my left armpit where the lymph nodes and some of those glands are, and it showed some extra red heat exactly where that tenderness was.

[00:17:17] So we were like, okay, this thermography is definitely accurate in that sense. And then we had to wait to get on the phone with the doctor to go over the report. And there was a bit of, I don't want to use incorrect words I could tell she was very smart and friendly, but there just wasn't super clarity delivered. She was just like, I'm not overly concerned, but I also recommend you continue exploring this. Is that what you remember?

[00:17:41] Luke: Yeah. Just a bit of ambiguity there, which is better than alarm, but it's not as good as like, oh, this is nothing.

[00:17:48] Alyson: Right. Yeah.

[00:17:49] Luke: It was definitely not definitive.

[00:17:51] Alyson: So then we're like, "Okay, we clearly need to take some additional steps and measures here. What do we feel is the next best step?" And along the way I had reached out to some of my closest female friends here, some of which have never had to deal with anything like this, some of which jumped straight years ago into mammogram territory and they wished that they had taken some preliminary steps before going straight to that.

[00:18:20] It was like a potpourri of experience in my inner friend circle. And I believe it was the doctor who was on the phone with us about the thermography scan that told us about these mobile ultrasound companies. And there's one here called HerScan. And the other thing, because I've been so healthy and have never had a primary care physician, when I was making phone calls and you were too to some of these MRI places, they require doctor's orders. And I didn't want to have to backtrack and find a freaking primary-- I just wanted to keep moving forward.

[00:18:55] So it was really relief that we could go to Austin Thermography and this HerScan, both just on my own volition, on our own sovereignty, on my own body sovereignty of like, I want to do this. I don't have a doctor's orders, and you're able to. So HerScan, thankfully, had one opening in a couple of days' time, so we drove out toward the Austin airport. They were set up at a hotel. Super efficient.

[00:19:23] Again, just like the thermography, you walk in, a nice woman's there, and within 10, 15 minutes, you're done. Then you wait for the results, and again, you get a report or you get on the phone with a doctor to go over the report.

[00:19:39] So we've been traversing this journey really well, really healthily, really calm, but where it started to kick in some different fields was when we got the ultrasound report emailed, and I didn't realize how much I had unconsciously been putting some weight into this particular scan report because I unconsciously was thinking and hoping that it would report back what I knew would be an option of it classifying it as a simple lesion, which would be a more simple cyst.

[00:20:20] And when the ultrasound report came back and did not definitively classify it as that, this is the first time you and I have ever needed to take these measures, read over these scans, so we're trying to decode what some of this stuff means and what's highlighted and bolded and all this stuff.

[00:20:38] It's a deep journey. And then my report was the fourth and last final option of the report, which is abnormalities detected. What was a revelation is that there were two. I had only seen the one bigger lump, but they had seen one at 1 o'clock and 2 o'clock on my breast.

[00:20:57] And just an abnormality was listed. And again, they recommended to continue on the quest. So I got a wave of fear, agitation. That was the first time where I felt a pretty marked wave of anger that I wasn't getting clarity. And that's how I think how you felt too. We both started to feel a little bit more nervousness.

[00:21:27] Luke: Well, with these kind of issues, it's difficult, from my perspective, because alopathic western medicine has its place, and it's got a lot of value, but it's also structured in a way that removes much, if not all of the sovereignty. So to your point of like, oh, we start looking around, oh, we want to get an MRI, oh, you got to go see a doctor. They have to order it, this whole thing.

[00:21:54] So what was freaky for me was getting both of those results, us not really knowing how to read them and knowing what they meant. So then I start asking friends and colleagues questions. I know a lot of great doctors and stuff, thankfully, and women's health experts and such.

[00:22:12] But I'm like, all right. Cool. We clearly need someone to read this. So I start looking around, and women that have had this experience can probably relate. Every website that came up when I was entering breast doctor to read ultrasounds or MRIs, it's like cancer, cancer, cancer, cancer, cancer.

[00:22:29] It's like, okay, I don't even want to talk to that person. And everything also was very mammogram heavy. Everyone wants to do a mammogram. It was hard to find a holistic, let's not go into panic mode, MD, and all of them were very cancer centric. And obviously if you have cancer, you probably want to talk to them.

[00:22:49] But I didn't want that to be the first assumption. Knowing what little I do about mammograms, I've never heard anything good about them from people that I respect. I think they're 50 times the radiation of an x-ray. So I try to avoid ionizing radiation whenever possible. We don't even walk through the freaking TSA 5G scanner things.

[00:23:15] So that was what started freaking me out, was like, okay, well, I'm sure somebody knows how to read these things for us. And then when you start to look for those people, at least here in Austin, everyone is super cancer and mammogram crazy.

[00:23:27] Alyson: It's interesting. Yeah. We, in this journey, had some similar feels and experiences and then some different ones. That particular piece of it didn't really bother me. I don't have a stance or a take on mammograms.

[00:23:43] Luke: Have you ever had one?

[00:23:44] Alyson: Well, no.

[00:23:45] Luke: Yeah. Good.

[00:23:48] Alyson: But that's why I'm not going to speak to it. I've never had one. And I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that feel like a mammogram saved their life. So I didn't really feel that zone or territory of things listening strong feelings for me.

[00:24:07] So where we're at now in the journey is a second ambiguity of the second report. And yeah, just knowing that the quest has to continue. So now we're like, okay, we've done this. We've done that. Now what's the next thing? And thankfully we had already been talking about the idea of going to Houston and doing the Prenuvo full body scan.

[00:24:37] So that felt like truly the next best step because that's an MRI, and I had not done an MRI yet. So yeah, we got that scheduled. And I also want to say that while I wasn't sure what was going on, I did have what I felt like were some intuitive guidances, and I did think it was partly energetic, and I did think it had something to do with the two rounds of IVF that we did back in January and May.

[00:25:11] And that part of the journey is complete. And again, anytime I talk about a fertility journey, I feel like I always have to put the caveat of, that's our sacred journey. We're not looking for insight. We're not looking for advice. We're with God on that journey. We were guided to do IVF, and we are also very clearly guided when to end it.

[00:25:27] But when the two breast lumps were discovered within my left breast, I just instantly was taken to the hormonal-- that's a story for another time if we ever feel called to talk a bit more about that specific part of our journey. But my body went through a lot in that.

[00:25:48] My body's very clean, does not have any pharmaceuticals in it, so then to introduce pharmaceuticals of that level and intensity, it was a lot for my body, and I felt very clear that my body is still trying to recalibrate hormonally and to also just flush that stuff all the way out. So I was sensing that it had something to do with that and also hoping, but at the end of the day, I didn't really know. You didn't really know.

[00:26:19] So we went and got the Prenuvo scan last week, and then we had to wait five days, which is fast for the results. And we both said a prayer when we were down there last night when I got the email that the results were ready. And I was definitely incredibly relieved to open that report and to see that, according to them, they do feel that they are the simple lesions, which are cysts.

[00:26:52] And I'm going to still stay on this journey of-- I just recently finished a liver cleanse. This morning I was at Alive and Well getting a colonic and a lymphatic session done. I'm going to keep doing the things that I'm intuiting will be best to further heal my body and to see if these cysts can just resolve and dissolve on their own.

[00:27:15] But yeah, major sense of relief because when you go on a journey like this, even if you are able to stay calm and optimistic, I think in a healthy way, it does still kick up ponderings. And even if you keep the fears at a minimum and don't go down giant rabbit holes with them, it can still elicit some fears.

[00:27:38] And for me, I think it was navigated very healthily. It helped me put things into perspective. It was a bit of a wake-up call of not taking my health for granted and realizing how incredibly fortunate I've been my entire life, and that I want to stay on that track. And if there's some additional measures I need to take right now to get me back into full thriving mode, I'm here for it.

[00:27:59] I'm willing to do Dr Group's liver cleanse. I'm willing to do extra colonics. I'm willing to do all of these things to help my body recalibrate fully. So it was, thankfully, a bit of a shorter exploratory journey of just a bit over a month. But it was a deep journey.

[00:28:20] Luke: Very much so.

[00:28:21] Alyson: There was one day where you came to me and--

[00:28:23] Luke: Yeah, there were a lot of lessons in it. I'm always trying to think, when we have these chats, when I'm chatting with anyone on this podcast, is what might be useful to people. And as a husband, I went through a bit of an internal struggle because when the ultrasound result came in and it was quite vague, and it wasn't like, "Ah, you're good. Don't worry about it." It was like, "Go see a breast doctor." I was like, "Oh shit."

[00:28:54] So I started having this experience of, yeah-- there's always optimism and faith, but still the human part of me is like, "Oh my God." I start imagining the worst-case scenario and getting scared. And there was a couple of few days there where I was holding that myself and not wanting to share my concerns with you because I didn't want to make you concerned.

[00:29:20] So I just wanted to be your rock and act as if I wasn't worried about it at all. And that started to feel inauthentic. I didn't want to fall apart in front of you and be afraid. Then you're going to be afraid if I'm afraid, and so on.

[00:29:38] And then, yeah, I think it just got to a point where I just felt like there's a lack of intimacy in that. And so I just thought, "Well." So I shared my feelings with you, and I was pretty scared because the mind just starts running through all these different scenarios. And as I'm like, hey, I'm also really busy working on my book and doing other things, and anytime I was doing something other than researching possible solutions for you, I would feel guilty.

[00:30:06] Like in 10 years, if you're gone, am I going to look back and go, "Oh, I should have done that work that day?" I would be like, "Shit, man, I should have dropped everything and just went full healer mode." So there's just strange internal struggles like that going on, and not wanting to show you that I was alarmed or afraid, and also have a lot of ideas about what could help that situation and who to call and what to do and things to kick into gear, but I also didn't want to overwhelm you and become your health drill sergeant and start enrolling you in all these different modalities and things that you might not be interested in or not ready for.

[00:30:48] So I'm trying to calibrate my level of involvement and influence because if you were just like, "Okay, Luke. What do I do?" I would have you seven days a week doing shit all day every day that could help something like cancer, for example. So yeah, it was interesting to share my experience with you and allow you to have your own autonomy and your own pace at which you were willing to keep learning more and get more diagnostic information and apply whatever solutions might be applicable.

[00:31:23] But on the other side of it, even though it looks like it's not anything of major concern, and I didn't find anything of concern, it still is inspiring to just refine things and keep us both in balance. And also when it comes to something like cancer, there's a lot of lifestyle changes one can make in a preventative sense.

[00:31:48] So now I'm a bit more keen on some of those. I've always had my ear peeled toward that in my interviews and things like that because I don't want to ever get it. And if I ever did, or someone I love gets it, I want to have a plan. So yeah, we've got the Gigaa Laser, which is a really incredible technology that we decided to spring for, which is quite an investment, but that's really great for tumors and reproductive organs and all kinds of things. And the deuterium depleted water and the ASEA Redox signaling molecules, which is a new thing that I discovered. So there's a lot of things there that can be pretty easily integrated--

[00:32:30] Alyson: And also the lymphatic treatments because of the oxygen piece to the cancer part. And thankfully we're friends with some really top-notch lymphatic experts who--

[00:32:44] Luke: Yeah. Desiree from Flowpreso via Freddie Kimmel, who's got a couple of them at his house. And we have an open invitation to go do those. So yeah, I think for me it's like, okay, cool. Wow. We're out of the woods on that, but it's a good incentive to be proactive and do some of the things.

[00:33:02] Alyson: I want to add to the day that I was laying in the bed, I think, doing the laser when you came in and you just let yourself cry and just honestly express that you were scared to me. Because I know you said one of the reasons you were holding back on that was because you thought that if you said you were scared, that would alarm me and make me scared.

[00:33:24] But it was actually the opposite. You being honest with me, I actually felt a huge sense of just calm come over me because you and I operate in such high levels of full transparency, authenticity, and intimacy. And that's our norm, and that's what I want. So you allowing that piece to move through and to come through and be expressed, it actually did the opposite of what you feared it might.

[00:33:55] And I was just relieved because I know the most efficient, graceful, and miracle-filled way through a journey like that is just fully, truly, authentically letting everything come up that needs to come up, letting everything be felt that needs to be felt, letting everything be expressed that needs to be expressed.

[00:34:17] And so I actually felt a sense of relief and calm that I was like, "Okay, this actually feels like an opening. This actually feels like a healthy expansion in this journey that I'm hearing how he actually feels." That how you actually felt. So yeah, I just want to say that it really made me reflect upon some powerful things.

[00:34:36] For whatever reason, I've just always really cloaked and shielded my breasts my whole life. I've always been incredibly, incredibly offput and uncomfortable by the male gaze, especially at my breasts, and I don't really know where exactly that origin point is, if it was something that happened when I was younger. I don't know. But I just know for as far back as I remember, it's always been that way.

[00:35:05] So I even pondered like, "Wow, is this stagnated energy?" Because I hid them and cloaked them, and I never let them just shine and bounce around and be expressed in all their glory, maybe the way that they wanted to. So that was an interesting pondering.

[00:35:23] Another interesting pondering, which I won't say names, but a friend here, and I'll condense the story, but we had been on a three-year fertility journey, and I learned from her after giving birth that she had gotten mastitis, which I think is the right word for when your breasts are making milk and the glands get stuck or full, and then you have to do castor oil packs to try to get the milk and the glands open and moving again.

[00:35:50] And I remembered feeling like, "Oh, wow." That honestly sounded like a beautiful experience to have. For so long I always thought and wished and looked forward to the day that my breasts would be filled with milk. And I would be able to have a sweet newborn latch onto them and breastfeed and give sustenance to another life through my breast, through my breast milk.

[00:36:15] And so it was just really intriguing to me that literally, if I'm not mistaken, within the same week of hearing about her experience with the milk and the glands getting full, I instantaneously developed my breasts having some stagnation. And there was a lot of really like deep spiritual, mental, emotional, physical-- it took us through all the layers, and it was a beautiful journey that I'm thankful. Seems to be at a bit of a relieving somewhat end point.

[00:36:53] Luke: Amen.

[00:36:53] Alyson: Amen.

[00:36:54] Luke: And I'm relieved that I don't have to become your health drill sergeant and get you in hyperbaric chambers five days a week. I had all these ideas, and I'm just like, "Don't overwhelm her." But I have my list. So it's nice to just be able to relax a little bit and let you gravitate toward what charms you in that way.

[00:37:14] Alyson: Yeah. And having witnessed people we love go through the diagnosis of cancer and the journey and really being witness to that in some different ways over the last few years, that was another waft. A deep piece that came up is just like, "Oh, wow. If that is what's going on here, then, whoof." The question marks of what that journey would then look like, how long, just all the things.

[00:37:44] Luke: Oh, totally. That was one of the things I was thinking about. Of course, I just do my best to remain present and not project into the future, but I did have thoughts around, if the diagnosis went the way that we didn't want it to, do we send you off to a clinic in another country or something like that? And then I'm like, "Well, what do I go to?

[00:38:07] Alyson: Yeah, yeah.

[00:38:08] Luke: If you're only here for a certain period of time, I don't want to be apart, and just all that kind of stuff. It's super scary. Those were the things that I was withholding for that couple of days. And that's another actual lesson too in it for me, and it's something we've talked about before, and you've observed and shared with me, is how difficult it is for me to ask for help. We did that podcast with Cal the other day. You were in the audience, and that was your audience question because both Cal and I share that.

[00:38:41] Yeah, just a childhood and a lifetime of self-sufficiency has a lot to do with it. It's just like, "I'll figure it out." Because I was, at many points in my life, faced with challenges, and for whatever reason, I just was on my own trying to deal with it. So it's really hard for me to ask for even minor things from people.

[00:39:03] And so I went through that observing myself, like, "Wow, I have so many great guy friends I could call and be like, man, we got this thing going on. I just need to get it out and talk about it." And I didn't really do that. Still, I wasn't asking you for help, but even just to share my inner experience with you is a bit of a hurdle.

[00:39:21] So it was a good lesson in that and something that I'm definitely going to continue to work on and make some progress with of just like, ah, dude. It's like, by asking for help, you're actually giving the other person such a gift because you're giving them the opportunity to get out of themselves and to be of service and to give. And giving feels great. It's good for you, and that reciprocity, that exchange of helping other people and allowing yourself to be helped is just really healthy.

[00:39:52] Alyson: Most people, if not all people actually, dare I say, function way more optimally and way more healthily in clean, clear energies. And we all have spiritual gifts. Some just might be lying more dormant than others, but people can feel if their partner or their friend-- even if they don't know what's being withheld, even if it's a slight layer of fogginess, when the clarity then comes through.

[00:40:27] That's why I think I felt that instant opening and that settling in my system, because maybe on some level I was picking up that you also were starting to feel a little bit more squirrely about the ambiguity. So yeah, I'm trying to say that to reaffirm to you, like, yes, please keep that flow going because it really is a huge gift, to your point, both parties.

[00:40:49] Luke: Yeah, absolutely. By the way, can you loan me some money? I need some help.

[00:40:54] Alyson: Sure.

[00:40:55] Luke: Just kidding. Before we move on from the Prenuvo, obviously we were really impressed with that, and so I reached out to them to see if I could partner with them because I think it's so valuable for everyone to do, and they were down.

[00:41:11] And so if anyone wants to check out one of those scans, you can go to prenuvo.com/lukestorey, that's P-R-E-N-U-V-O, and they're going to give you 300 bucks off, because they're, I guess, a new company and like, "Hey, we want to get the word out if you guys like it. Tell people about it." and I'm like, "Yes, we'll see how it goes." And it went well. So that's what I'm doing. And we'll put everything we talk about that's clickable today, guys, in the show notes at lukestorey.com/567, which is this episode number.

[00:41:47] Okay. So next up we have-- it's been such a whirlwind lately.

[00:41:53] Alyson: This week.

[00:41:54] Luke: When it rains, it pours kind situation. There's been other things that involve other people that I don't feel at liberty to speak about, but a lot of people are going through some pretty hardcore stuff at the moment. So we also had a loss. We had a death in the family. Those watching the video will see we--

[00:42:15] Alyson: Oh gosh. I'm going to start crying.

[00:42:17] Luke: Yeah, okay. We had to send our beloved cat, Jellybean, on cosmic vacation on Saturday. And this is a photo of him, or a painting of him in his royal garb there that Alyson's sister had made for us prior to that happening.

[00:42:35] Alyson: Thank you, Erin, for making this for us. Yeah, I think she got that maybe last Christmas for my birthday. Oh gosh, his real name, his name that I gave him-- I got the cat when he was just newborn and could fit in the palm of my hand, and I was trying to figure out his name.

[00:42:54] I was living on the East Coast at the time, flew to Indiana where he was to get him, and while staying at my grandma's house after I picked him up, I had the cat, and family members was like, name him this, name him that, name him this. I was like, "No, it doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel right."

[00:43:11] And I went back in my grandma's back bedroom, and I was meditating on it, praying into it, and when I opened my eyes, my eyes went straight to a framed picture of my grandpa, who I was really close to-- who had already transitioned to the other realms years ago. His name was Harry. And soon as I saw it, everything clicked, and I was like, the cat's name shall be Harry Gato. I just knew.

[00:43:36] So that's his official given name, but over the years, I think for the past eight to 10 years, somehow, you know how pet's names morph as they do, it just went to Jellybean. I literally don't even have a recollection how it happened, but he's been called Jelly, Jellybean, Jelly Boy for a long time. I need to look at his birth certificate because I honestly don't want to say a false amount of years, but 17 or 18 years we were together.

[00:44:04] Every day he was truly just my bestest friend, and I honestly think, in some senses of the word, knew me better than any other living being because he lived with me every day for almost two decades and was with me before I even had my spiritual awakening. And just held it down so impeccably. Talk about a masterful shamanic wizard, guardian space holder, Jelly.

[00:44:39] Wow. He really taught me so much. And it's so interesting. I'm sure many people who have had an animal or a person crossover that you were close to can relate to what I'm about to say. The instant that crossing over happens, you'll get these insights of like a treasure of a gift of what that person bestowed upon you.

[00:45:03] But it isn't until the moment they crossed that you realized what they did for you while they were here. And one of those said gifts for me with Jellybean's crossing was he really taught me what a true healthy relationship is. What a true healthy dynamic feels like and functions like. Because when I say that cat saw me in every shape, form possible, I mean it.

[00:45:33] And he just held space for me with such unconditional love and with such health and grace. He taught me what to sense and to tune into in my human relating as well. And that's just one of the things that he gave me. There's so much that I could talk about how special this cat was, but I'm going to try to tune it into some of the bigger, more helpful points that I think could be of service or just maybe interesting to people listening.

[00:46:04] We went to see my family over the summer. We went up to Indiana, and we were gone for about a week, and we had someone coming here and staying with Jelly and checking on him, but the moment we got back here from Indiana, when we come in the door, we're always like, "Jelly, we're home." Letting him know.

[00:46:25] And when I went to find him, the instant I looked into Jelly's eyes, I knew his transition process was beginning. And the way I knew was because I have looked into that cat's eyes every single day intimately for almost two decades, and his soul was sitting further back.

[00:46:53] And it's just a really remarkable thing for me, one, to know that I have that gift. And I think we all have that gift. And that's just something that we all have the capability of tuning into. If someone is really ill, or in their own transition process, you can really track where in that part of the journey they are by where their soul and spirit is sitting behind their eyes.

[00:47:24] And it is explicitly clear. And I told you right when I picked him up. I went to you and I told you. I'm like, "I think Jelly is starting to die. I think he's starting to transition." Do you remember that?

[00:47:41] Luke: Mm-hmm.

[00:47:43] Alyson: And that was really powerful. And I just thank God, goddess, and Jelly, and Earth Mother, and Jelly Spirit's, and my own abilities for-- that was such a helpful tracking then to know we're entering into the final, final chapter. He's lived fully all of his nine lives, and we're getting into end chapter zone. And so again, talking about that calibration and that tuning in, everything changes when you know that it's your final days, weeks, months.

[00:48:16] And then again, the morning that he ended up crossing over in the very early morning hours, I was with him, and I think it was about 3:30 or 4 o'clock in the morning. I saw how ready he was. And again, by looking into his eyes, I saw there was another massive shift with where his soul and spirit were placed within his physical body to the point where I had written his eulogy in my phone notes, and I got the eulogy out, and I read it to him at 4 o'clock in the morning and just held space for him.

[00:48:55] And I was fully prepared. I think truly he was as close to death's door as one can be without fully-- I think the end of his tail was the only thing hanging on in to this earth side. But yeah, I wanted to speak to that, and I also wanted to speak of when we got into the more epicenter, the final two weeks.

[00:49:25] I'd gotten some final blood work done. His kidneys were failing pretty drastically, and also our communication with Jelly, we can clearly talk to him, or I guess I don't want to speak for you on that, but I can. I was having really clear conversations with him, and one of my favorite things already in this quick hindsight that I have was what felt right to me was to be completely transparent with Jelly the whole way.

[00:49:57] I let him know the day that I ordered that sweet little wool cocoon that's available for pets. You can pick your color, and it's this beautiful mandala wool cocoon that if you decide that you want to go the burial route for your pet, which is what we decided to do, you can buy this cocoon. And I told him. I told him the day that I purchased it. I consulted on him.

[00:50:20] The color, we decided Egyptian blue because I wanted him buried as the Egyptian royalty used to, or maybe still do. And that blue was representative of that. And I told him the day that it arrived. I actually unpacked it, and I put it on the bed, and I let him explore it.

[00:50:39] And I told him exactly what it was. And with his permission, I placed him actually onto the center of it just to let him get his own essence there and to acclimate to like, this will soon be your final resting place. And the whole way through, letting him know there's this service called Lap of Love that I'm so grateful for because you and I had such beautiful conversations around exploring what do we want his crossing over to look like.

[00:51:13] And I love that you brought to my attention in such a graceful, kind, gentle way, you said-- because I was talking about whether ashes or to bury his actual body and give it back to Earth Mother. I was trying to tune into that, and you brought in the piece that I hadn't really been thinking about.

[00:51:31] You're like, "I think it's so interesting." Because animals in the wild, you don't dictate, you don't call a doctor in to your home, to your backyard. The animal gets weak and just gets plucked up out of the sky by a vulture and killed. You brought in that conversation. Do you remember how you brought that in?

[00:51:52] Luke: Well, I'm not certain what happens in those situations, but I imagine-- take a cat as a predator. So he's like a mini panther. But if an animal in nature gets old and sick, they're probably going to go out due to hydration, starvation, predation, weather.

[00:52:15] They're going to get too hot, get too cold, and they're going to keel over, and then they're going to be food for all of the smaller creatures that live on dead things and also some of the bigger ones, like vultures, for example, as you mentioned. So I think my thought was just how can we minimize the amount of suffering and also do our best to emulate a natural experience.

[00:52:44] Alyson: And I really think we truly, through the grace of all of the parts, God's grace, earth, mother's grace, Jelly's spirit and his wishes, and us attuning to our own, gifts and guidance, found the most miraculous epicenter, sweet spot, nucleus possible. I really feel emphatically clear on that.

[00:53:10] And I'm just so glad you brought that conversation piece in because I was like, "Oh, wow." We do get so conditioned with pets that you-- I don't even like the phrase because it just doesn't resonate and feel totally accurate-- but you put them to sleep. You help them pass away. And I thought, "Wow, that is true." If I did let Jelly just completely transition 100% naturally, what would that look like?

[00:53:38] How would that feel to him? How would that feel to me? And again, in the complete transparency, authenticity, vulnerability types of textures of conversations that we choose to have, that is part of the process of the refinement and the calibration and honing in on what feels exactly in alignment and what is for the highest good of Jellybean, first and foremost.

[00:54:01] And in that process, we honed in on Lap of Love and felt a burial, placing his earthly sacred vessel back into Earth Mother's sacred body to be the best. And yeah, this beautiful doctor, Dr. Kimmie, came to our home. And what was also one of the most miraculous parts of all of this was once I called Lap of Love and got a date scheduled for Jelly's transition day back to God, pure love God, that is when I got this vision of this universal divine pendulum.

[00:54:40] And that is what started really taking us into the nucleus of what was best. Because when you get a date on the calendar, and then I tell Jelly, "We've selected Saturday, October 12th, to be your final day. Now, if you want otherwise, you tell me. If you want to pass on your own naturally, you have full permission." These are the kinds of conversations I would have with him.

[00:55:04] And I had already called in pure love God, goddess, Jesus, and Mary Buddha, all of his guides of the light, to be with him, and also my grandpa, who he's named after, who they share the same birthday. I also want to note my grandpa gave me this cat. That's a whole other story.

[00:55:20] But I called in my grandma and grandpa on the other side to be waiting for him. So all of that stuff was prepped. And once we picked this particular Saturday, then as Jelly and I's conversations would continue over the days, it got clear that that was too far away. That was waiting too long. The suffering would be too much.

[00:55:41] And so then I must have rescheduled with Lap of Love, honestly, I think seven, eight times. But that was part of the calibration to the point where early morning, when I read him his eulogy, I could feel him at death's door at 4 o'clock in the morning on a Saturday.

[00:55:58] And I remembered thinking, "Gosh, I wish Jelly's transition day could be Saturday because he's so ready to go, and I don't know that he's going to make it till Monday." And his appointment had gotten scheduled for Monday. So I left that morning to do my colonic at Alive and Well, and it just so happens the practitioner who's never late, who's this beautiful elder medicine woman, happened to be late.

[00:56:25] Just so happened, even though I don't have phone notifications on, I was looking down at my phone, and Lap of Love called me. I went outside, was able to take the call, and they said, "Alyson, we have a 1 o'clock opening that just came open if you want it today, on Saturday." And it was 10.30 in the morning.

[00:56:40] So then I called you. I'm trying to meditate on what to do. And when the practitioner, the colon hydrotherapist got in, she held such beautiful space, and we talked about it, and I called them back. They still had the 1 o'clock available, and I left. God ushered me in to get the flowers.

[00:57:00] Jelly had requested yellow flowers. And I picked those up along with some red roses and white flowers. And God just ushered me so smoothly home. And we had just the right amount of time to get the ceremonial site set up in the backyard, to take him on a final family stroll in the front yard.

[00:57:19] He had always wanted to go out there, but that was off limits for him. And I got to hold him and carry him in the front yard and then walk him to the backyard where the ceremony area was and let him get adjusted and ready for that. And then that's when Dr. Kimmie arrived, who was so sweet, and thank you again for just so impeccably holding that space for me because I know some people, I don't know, just might not relate or just might think it's weird, but this cat and I just had such a respectful, deep, reverent bond and journey of so many years, and was a really powerful, beautiful experience to be able to carry that all the way through to his final breath and to be holding him in my arms as he was actually crossing over.

[00:58:30] And to feel that and to focus on love and gratitude and to tell him that mama's going to be good. My prayer for him was to just go straight to pure love God, and to just allow Jelly's own essence of pure love to open and to find the essence of pure love God. And that that would be the most efficient, graceful through line on that crossing over.

[00:59:02] And I know that that happened, and he crossed over very quickly and so beautifully and so honorably, and I just want to honor Jelly for just how he handled his death, how he handled his final chapter. It was just so beautiful. And the word that I think encapsulates it best is phenomenal.

[00:59:24] This cat was a phenomenal cat, and his death was a phenomenally beautiful, miraculous experience. And I'm really honored that he ended up being really my first main teacher. I've never held someone or really been present when they take their last breath or as their moment of crossing over. Jelly was my first, and it just felt so perfect that it would be him.

[00:59:51] So yeah, we had all the ceremonial tools out there, and we sang Jelly's song after he crossed over. A song about him had downloaded in, what, six months ago, eight months ago. I typically get sent silly medicine songs and it goes, Jelly Boy, Jelly Boy, you are so beautiful. Jelly Boy, Jelly Boy, you are so beautiful. Jelly Boy Jelly Boy, you are so powerful. Jelly Boy, Jelly Boy, you are so wonderful. Yeah, I had my medicine drum out there, and you had the rattle, and we just sang him that song. And then once he had passed, we let Cookie come out and say her goodbyes.

[01:00:49] The other thing I think it's important to take note of and then I'll let you talk, it felt really important to me to give him a proper honoring, is that through the actual crossing over ceremony, we took our time and let each step of the ceremony get properly felt, processed, integrated, before we would go to the next step.

[01:01:13] So it's like once he had crossed over and he's still in my arms, I let myself hold him for exactly as long as I felt I needed. Then I gently laid him down in his cocoon, and we tended to him and just admired him and spoke to him and sang to him until we felt that was complete. And then when we felt it was time only then did we allow Cookie out to let her give her sniffs and say goodbye.

[01:01:40] And then we even got up and took time away because I wanted to give a little bit of space to see is there something I'm forgetting before we place him into the earth. And sure enough, I got the guidance that I wanted to snip some of his fur on top of his head. So I did that, and that was one thing I think it's important to speak to because it really helped in the healthy journey through the grieving was to not rush.

[01:02:10] It was just like, "Okay, now this part's complete. Let's take a breather. Let's go inside for a minute and get a glass of water. Let's pray for a moment and see what we feel guided to do next." And it was only when we felt completely ready that we bundled him up in the cocoon and you and I we both held one side of the cocoon and lowered him into Earth Mother. And then we took another pause and we let him acclimate into the belly of Earth before we placed any soil or anything on top of him. We let him integrate into his final resting place. And I just wanted to speak to that.

[01:02:54] Luke: I remember at one point I was starting to scoop the dirt in and there was a lot of limestone rocks and you're like, "Ah, it doesn't feel right to put rocks on him." So I had to put the softer dirt on. And then I remember you asked me to just slow it down because I'm just like, well, let's get her done.

[01:03:14] I started scooping. So there was a lot of great learning about calibration and pacing in it. I loved Jelly, but I wasn't as attached as you were because my relationship with him was shorter. I had experience putting one cat down many, many years ago, and it was such contrast. Walked into the vet. They're like, "Okay. Thanks. Bye." And then they just take your cat and--

[01:03:44] Alyson: It hurts my heart.

[01:03:45] Luke: Inject him, and not to be crass, but he is just going to be put in a biohazard bin in the trash basically. Yeah, less than ideal. So there was a lot of gratitude for me that we had the wherewithal to be more intentional about how we wanted to do that.

[01:04:03] And to me it was also so clear that he was ready and that his life was-- he couldn't walk. You know what I'm saying? But also, I don't know, there's so much value, I think, in just embracing the impermanence of form. And I couldn't help but think we created our wills a couple of years ago and there are burial instructions in our will that have to do with what we want done with our bodies when we leave them.

[01:04:35] And essentially it's like what they call a green burial. Same thing we do with Jelly. So there's moments where I'm going, "Huh. Wow. Someday we will likely have this experience with Cookie. And one day you or I will be having the experience watching a human go through that process."

[01:04:55] Alyson: Yeah.

[01:04:55] Luke: So these are things I think as a culture we don't want to face. That's why we put people in a morgue and then in a funeral home and in a box and no one wants to look at it and really have a tangible experience of the changes in energy and form.

[01:05:13] And it is. It's painful. A lot of my emotions during his death ceremony were not even about him. It was my empathy for you. Just like, oh man, God, just feeling the pain of your loss around that situation, but also just allowing myself to feel the universal grief of attachment to form.

[01:05:45] Alyson: Definitely.

[01:05:46] Luke: It's such a beautiful lesson, and we've talked about that before. There's been many moments in our relationship when I just look at you and I'm just really appreciating your essence and feel this portal of vulnerability in my heart that's like, it's a heartbreaking grief because there's something so special happening in that moment. And I know that the form of that moment and the form of you and the form of me is in a constant state of flux and change. And there's going to be a time at which this beautiful moment is a distant memory.

[01:06:25] Alyson: Yeah.

[01:06:26] Luke: And it's like a fine line of morbidity to be able to just think about things and contemplate that. But I find the more I'm able to face those realities of the human experience head on, it has an effect of just lowering my anxiety around all of that. It's interesting. To face death squarely makes it less scary, which is something that I've experienced in a lot of medicine journeys too.

[01:06:58] 5-MeO-DMT, it was about as close to a near-death experience as I can imagine, having not had one. And those experiences at times have been terrifying. But on the other side of them, I go, "Oh, it's fine." You're fine. You're stoked when you're going back into the fold of consciousness and there's not a you so much there anymore.

[01:07:18] So having those experiences myself and knowing that you can't kill energy and energy can't die, so whatever energy was animating Jelly is now part of the field of energy, and then there's just a beautiful curiosity. Wow. I wonder if he's going to reincarnate as another cat, or does he move up the consciousness chain and next time he's a dog and then a human or whatever? It's a beautiful but also at times scary way to approach these realities of life.

[01:07:52] Alyson: Yeah. That was one of the reasons I wanted us to talk about this, is because especially over here in the US, I don't think that we discuss death and the processes and face it enough. And also to your point about the energy, I have to tell the brief story. So it was maybe two or three hours after Jelly had crossed over. I was exhausted. I was laying in our bed with the box Kleenex and just crying and feeling, and I took a short nap.

[01:08:23] And then when I woke up, I had finally gotten a bit of an appetite back and I said, "Can we go get a smoothie?" And he said yes. And we wanted to go walk the dog in a park and just integrate and move the energies a bit more. And on my way to walk out of the garage, I stopped for whatever reason at the kitchen sink to wash my hands, and my intuition guided me to look down. I had placed Jelly's water bowl by the kitchen sink, his water dish that he had been utilizing in his final chapter. And I looked at the water dish, and there was a perfect heart in the bottom of the water dish.

[01:09:00] And I called you over and we both just stood there and cried because I know that was Jelly. I know. I am tuned in, I think, as anyone can get with knowingness. And I know that was him saying, thank you. I love you. But even more so, I have arrived back to pure love God. Because that was the overriding message that I had given him, especially in his final two weeks.

[01:09:31] I just kept saying, go to pure love God. Go to pure love God. Go to pure love God over and over, and he left a heart. And had we gotten to that water dish two minutes later, the water would've been evaporated and gone. I literally walked to the dish at the exact moment there was a heart at the bottom, and I know it was him saying, "Mama, I'm good. I made it here across the Rainbow Bridge. I'm back to pure love God."

[01:09:55] And I also want to quickly note I did a soul retrieval for him before he passed because I wanted to call back any divine power and parts to him before he crossed over from any traumas that he had this lifetime, anything that I might have unintentionally done that hurt him or scared him.

[01:10:15] So I did a soul retrieval journey for him before he passed and called all of his divine power and parts back to him. And then when you had done the final preparation for his grave site, and when we got back from walking Cookie in the park and you said, do you want to go look at the grave site one last time before it gets dark out, and I didn't know you had set it up so beautifully with the rock outline, we walked outside, and Jelly's last message to me when he requested yellow flowers was, don't forget to celebrate. Don't forget to celebrate our relationship.

[01:10:47] And you and I walked out to go look at the grave site and our neighbors who are never in their backyard, aside from their little daughter maybe jumping on the trampoline, not only were they in the backyard, it sounded like they had about 40 people over having a party, literally having a celebration with their string lights on, kids laughing and playing, adults laughing. We walked out to Jelly's grave site to a celebration, and that was his final wish. And you cannot make this stuff up.

[01:11:18] And then you had placed a beautiful tourmaline crystal and your mala on top of the grave, which was so moving to me. Your papa energy, your dad energy, just that final protection energy. That was really touching to me that you added that, and I didn't know that you were going to do that. Do you even know what tourmaline represents? Its connection to the heavens. It helps in crossing over.

[01:11:44] Luke: I didn't know that.

[01:11:45] Alyson: Yeah. He had placed one crystal pyramid on top of Jelly's grave, and it was tourmaline.

[01:11:51] Luke: Hmm. Interesting.

[01:11:53] Alyson: Yeah. Tourmaline is considered to be a physical bridge to the spiritual. It's a best healing stone for the physical heart, stimulates a strong resonance with divine love, and it's protecting and grounding. You literally could not have picked a better crystal. So I was like, "Did he know that?"

[01:12:12] Luke: No.

[01:12:12] Alyson: So good job.

[01:12:13] Luke: No. I had it in my office, and it was in one of my plants. Yeah.

[01:12:20] Alyson: It was just the perfect send off.

[01:12:22] Luke: Yeah. It was a beautiful experience. So many levels to it. And I'm sure some people listening that maybe don't have an affinity for cats or have never had one, it would be a bigger deal to some people and lesser of a big deal.

[01:12:37] But I think for me it's about the relationship with death. It's interesting to gauge one's level of attachment and not framing attachment as a bad thing. We're wired to be attached to one another and places and people and beings that we love and all of that.

[01:12:58] But it's interesting to me despite some waves of sadness and really more waves of sadness for your experience, as I said, but also just, I don't know. It just feels normal and natural, and it's just not a big deal, which is encouraging because I'm sure there are going to be beings that I love that I'll have much higher degree of attachment for they're going to leave. And so it's good practice. Not to minimize or diminish Jelly's value to us or to me, but it's a lower stakes game way to integrate that kind of experience.

[01:13:38] Alyson: Well, the way I look at what exactly you just said is like there was no higher gift he could have given us for that reason you just said. Even in his last breath and his last earthly experience, this carnation, he gifted to us the ability to feel and observe and be witness to this journey in preparation for others to come. And that completely encapsulates the masterful wizard that Harry Gato, AKA Jellybean was and is. In his dying moment, he was just like, here's a gift to you.

[01:14:21] Luke: Yeah. He was a cool cat.

[01:14:24] Alyson: Yeah. He was a character. Not everybody got him, but I got him, and I know you loved him. And you only got to live with him in his elder years when he started to have some kidney failure and some yowling issues. But I'm really appreciative of how you handled that and respected him and our relationship and just let his journey take it through how it needed to go through, even though it got a little challenging a bit at the end.

[01:14:54] So thank you. And thank you again, Jellybean, for everything you gave to me and just letting me know how safe and unconditionally loved I was through the most harrowing and a lot of the most tumultuous times of my life when I lived alone in Brooklyn and had my divine intervention. He held it down for everything. So thank you Jelly Boy.

[01:15:19] Luke: You want to hear one of my favorite memories of Jelly?

[01:15:21] Alyson: I can't even imagine what.

[01:15:25] Luke: Shortly after we became a couple and you were moving from New York, you went and picked him up, which Alyson had flown with Jelly a lot in his cat carrier and stuff. So I think I had brought a litter box with me in the car.

[01:15:41] Alyson: Yeah. Well, I had told you because it was a long trip from New York to LA. And so I said, "Please have a litter box in the back."

[01:15:46] Luke: Yeah. So I pick you up, and I put your bags in the car. I put Jelly in the car, and right as I pull out of LAX, he just took the biggest diarrhea.

[01:15:55] Alyson: Yeah. Poor little thing.

[01:15:58] Luke: The flying would upset his stomach. And you warned me about that. And I just thought, okay, this is real love right here. We're in this.

[01:16:05] Alyson: But how sweet. He headed straight back to the litter box to do it.

[01:16:08] Luke: Yeah. He could have done it on the seat. But yeah, it is one of those moments like, oh, this is family. This is a family moment.

[01:16:16] Alyson: It was.

[01:16:17] Luke: Yeah. That was fun.

[01:16:18] Alyson: And again, just how beautiful that he brought that gift to us. You literally picked he and I up to move in with you and Cookie and become a blended family. And right out of the gate he's like, "We're going full family mode." I'm blasting it out. I was holding these Hershey squirts in. Now that we're together in the safe zone of family in the car, I'm letting it rip, and let's get to our new home now. That was his beautiful, powerful essence--

[01:16:47] Luke: And also, to his credit, he had very little, if any, experience around men and also around living with a dog. I feel like it was like three or four days he was a little cagey and defensive if I went near him. And if Cookie went near him, it wasn't like swatting her, but he wasn't interested.

[01:17:07] And then it was fun to see his nervous system acclimate and just find his own place, which was never like, Hey, I'm in a rough house with the dog, or cuddle with the dog, which I always secretly hoped would happen. But I think he was old enough to know his space. But he had such great boundaries, which is another great lesson.

[01:17:31] It's like many cats. Will clearly let you know what he wants to do and what he doesn't want to do. And he's not going to comply with any efforts that control or manipulation. He is just like, this is how close I feel like being to you or the dog at any given moment. And he was really cool in that way.

[01:17:48] Alyson: And also his throat chakra. He was a huge teacher in expression vocalization. And yeah, I really think that he aided me in my journey of rebirthing my own throat and voice, and yes, his legacy shall live on. And again, thank you to my sister, Erin, for last year getting us this-- it's a portrait that they painted from an actual picture of him, so it looks exactly like Jelly.

[01:18:15] Luke: It's very accurate.

[01:18:16] Alyson: Yeah. So he will remain in his regal royal status and our home forever and remain in a spirit power form in our hearts forever. And again, thank you for helping me with that grave in the yard. Luke put a chair out next to it so I can go sit out there and talk to him. And that was the hardest part.

[01:18:37] I realized I do have attachment to form, putting his sweet, cute little frail body down into the earth. Like he said, I didn't want the rocks on it. I only wanted the soft soil, and had to stop halfway through to breathe and recalibrate because I felt like I was suffocating with the dirt being put on him. I was like, wow. It was like a big revelation that I didn't know how attached to his form I had gotten. And even in the days after, I would say to you, I was like, "I feel bad." Jelly's just--

[01:19:07] Luke: Yeah, he's right outside our bedroom.

[01:19:09] Alyson: But I say goodnight to him. When I go leave the TV room, I--

[01:19:13] Luke: Well, I think at one point I started scooping the dirt in. You're like, "Are you sure he is dead?" or something.

[01:19:20] Alyson: I don't remember if I said that, but yeah, it was tough to--

[01:19:24] Luke: Or I think you had the experience more of like, that's him in there. And for me--

[01:19:28] Alyson: And I knew the case.

[01:19:29] Luke: Yeah. I didn't have so much of that. I was like, yeah, that was the vehicle, and he's clearly not in there anymore. Oh, I know what it was no when it was administering the medicine.

[01:19:40] Alyson: Yeah. I wanted to have--

[01:19:41] Luke: You had the doctor do a double check just to make sure. Yeah.

[01:19:45] Alyson: For sure. Yeah.

[01:19:46] Luke: And I forgot to ask her, but I suspect the first medicine may have been ketamine.

[01:19:53] Alyson: I have no idea.

[01:19:55] Luke: So I think he had a nice little journey on his way out too.

[01:19:59] Alyson: Yeah. It was a really, really beautiful honoring, truly miraculous crossing over and dust ceremony. And it was, yeah, my honor to do it, support him in it, and to hold him during it.

[01:20:17] Luke: It's been a hell of a week, girl.

[01:20:19] Alyson: Oh my god, this week. What the hell?

[01:20:23] Luke: What the hell?

[01:20:24] Alyson: What the hell?

[01:20:25] Luke: All right. I love you so much.

[01:20:28] Alyson: Love you. Thanks for letting me have so much honoring time for Harry Gato.

[01:20:33] Luke: Oh, absolutely. And thank you to everyone listening. And if there's anything you want to know about, again, the show notes for this episode are found at lukestorey.com/567. All right. Onto the next one.

[01:20:47] Alyson: Bye.