[00:00:00] Luke: Hey, what's up? I'm Luke Storey from lukestorey.com, and this is Episode 465 with Ian Mitchell. You're going to find all the episode resources for this one at lukestorey.com/ian. That's I-A-N. 

Who's our guest? Over the past decade, Ian has developed a series of novel therapeutics using LipoFulloronic conjugates and holds multiple patents across the host of different scientific disciplines, such as nanomedicine and materials science. 

But that's not all. He also holds joint patents with the University of Tulsa for personalized cancer screening technology, and personalized cell culture media for both laboratory and clinical settings, as well as an antiviral therapeutic.

 And dude, recently developed the first viable gamma ray shielding system for use on spacecraft and in space habitats, as well as a carbon negative concrete to inhibit greenhouse gas proliferation.

He's also the lead scientist at Wizard Sciences, Polymath in residence at Ecliptic Capital, and scientific advisor for Leela Quantum. 

Wow. That was a lot to spit out. Now, needless to say,

 Ian is a brainiac of the highest order. But what I really like about him and the many conversations we've shared is that he also has a huge heart. And now my friends is a great combination for any human being.

And man, we get into all sorts of crazy shit in this conversation, so I'll just drop a few breadcrumbs for you to follow here: what Ian has learned from David Hawkins since I turned him onto his teachings a few years ago, his experience in learning the incredible skill of muscle testing calibration.

We also spent some time talking about my recent visit to his mind-blowing lab out in Tulsa and the stuff we saw there, like his fireproofing technology, making oxygen water, that carbon negative concrete, and the really crazy hyperbaric oxygen chamber he built by himself. Really wild stuff. So I'm excited to share that with you. And we also talk about why he finally created his own brand Wizard Sciences after engineering some incredible products from many other companies.

He also, of course, goes into depth about something called C60, for which he's widely known; the difference between the carrier oils and how C60 can help with free radical damage from EMF. And we spend some time talking about his innovative treatments for dementia and why he thinks Alzheimer's is totally treatable, and what makes C8MCT oil so special. 

And he tells us precisely why the Wizard Sciences' Neural Rx, Olympic Rx, and Vortex Rx are so damn effective. And lastly, we talk about how he got involved with Leela Quantum and helped to develop quantum upgrade.

Ian makes some of my very favorite and most unique products. So if by the end of the show you want to try them out with a fat 20% discount, here's what you do. Go to lukestorey.com/wizardsciences, and use the code LUKE at checkout. All right, my science curious friends, let's go ahead and jump off the deep end here with Ian Mitchell of Wizard Sciences on the Life Stylist Podcast.

All right, Ian, here we go. Is this our number two or three? 

[00:03:13] Ian: Three. 

[00:03:14] Luke: This, the third one. 

[00:03:14] Ian: Third time's counting. Yeah, counting the Leela, it would be four.

[00:03:18] Luke: Oh, okay. Cool. I'm trying to think of who has the record for that. It might be you at this point. I have to look into that. So apart from seeing you today, the last time I saw you was when Alyson and I took a trip up to your, do you call it a lab or headquarters or--

[00:03:38] Ian: Lab. Yeah.

[00:03:39] Luke: It certainly looks, and sounds, and smells like a lab. And we've been talking about the work that you do up there for a few years now, and I've always wanted to come up there, and then I'm also realizing I can't say yeses yet, uh, but that when I lived here in Austin, you told me you're like, dude, it's like an eight hour drive.

[00:04:01] Ian: Yeah. Or a two hour flight.

[00:04:03] Luke: Yeah. So coming up there was actually very easy and thank you for having us and picking us the airport and being such a champ. But being a guy who just really likes to, um, see how things work, I was like a kid in a candy store because--

[00:04:18] Ian: Oh yeah. There's some cool stuff going down.

[00:04:19] Luke: Yeah, I'm really seeing where the secret sauce is made, so to speak. So I wanted to just talk about some of the freaky things that I encountered there. Uh, one, there were quite a few in a one day visit. There was a lot. Um, this is of course the headquarters of Wizard Sciences, which is the stuff sitting right here for those people, uh, watching the video.

So I want to see how you make this stuff because it novel in its category. But we go in and you do this fireproof demonstration with this substance you created. And God, I should put those videos somewhere. I did post them on Instagram, but I think they were stories so they'll probably be gone by the time this comes out.

But basically you put this material on some eggs and then you hit it with a blow torch and then you take the material off and the freaking egg is still raw. I'm like, what is happening here?

[00:05:17] Ian:  I'll send you, so you can put it in the show notes. I'll send you a video and a picture because the thing that was cool to me is it was something that I developed for a project that I was working on because I needed a heat shielding material and nothing existed that fit the criteria of what I needed.

I needed something very thin that would dissipate all of the heat. And so it's like a millimeter thick. You saw it, when I take it off, it's like a millimeter thick, but I hit it with a blow torch at 3,730 degrees. And then, yeah, the eggs raw. So it's pretty cool.

[00:05:48] Luke: Um, what are you going to do with that? The moment I saw that, I was like, this is the first person I know that's a billionaire that I know personally. Can I get a loan? What are we working with here? Do you have any commercial--

[00:06:02] Ian: Yeah, there will be. But a lot of the things I do, I'm lucky in that I actually get paid to develop really cool stuff for all sorts of different things. One of the things that I'm really jazzed about is I just did this gamma ray shielding thing. I've had it for a while, but it's really cool because for deep space travel, anytime you go outside the magnetosphere, you get bombarded with cosmic gamma rays and things that really eviscerate your genome, right? 

If you want to set up on Mars, your two options are subterranean. So it blocks things out, which hence probably the boring company. So they can go underground or you have to have some sort of gamma shielding. And you can use lead for it, but it's very difficult because it's so heavy.

And my thing is super light and it leverages properties of materials that are already there that just have been for whatever reason not noticed. And so there's stuff like that where I'm trying to develop things where I see a problem for humanity, I'm trying to fix it.

And you were up at the lab, so you saw my board where I have the six things that I wanted to knock out before I keeled over. And so they've been really sequential, aging cancer, clean water, free energy, global warming, super luminal travel. And I looked at the things that I thought would make the biggest dent for humanity.

Like if I do my thing how am I going to help the most? And those were the items. And what was funny is I had written that list like a decade ago, and it was just like stream of consciousness on the top of the board. And it's literally been on the top of the board for the past decade. But what was funny is even though I thought, I'm just like, oh, off the top of my head, every one of them had clues for the next one.

Like, when I would crack one puzzle, it would give me the keys to really make a dent on the next one. And I've been lucky because I've made real serious strides on most of those things. Um, now it's tricky to get the implementation. Like you develop the case of that heat shielding, it was with reference to this, uh, process to make biochar, which was going to be used for carbon negative concrete.

That's great if everybody shifted ubiquitously across the board and it did knock out like 13 billion tons of greenhouse gases annually, which would be a chunk. Um, but getting everybody to do that sort of adoption curve when there's already incumbent players in the marketplace that are making money, doing what they're doing and that they've always done, that's where it becomes tricky, is you have to nudge things along and it takes a little while to catch traction to get those ideas out.

So the question of what are you going to do with it? Well, I'll get it into industry for sure. Uh, it's just a matter of how I do that in over what period of time.

[00:08:44] Luke: Um, speaking in the fire retardant part of it, in future scaling is this something that could be, um, put between the drywall and my house and the exterior stucco and render my house unburnable?

[00:09:00] Ian: Yes, 100%. Yeah.

[00:09:01] Luke: Wow. 

[00:09:02] Ian: Yeah. And actually the one of my friends moved to Colorado recently and there were huge fires in his neighborhood and um, Scott sent me a picture of his neighborhood and it took out almost the entire neighborhood, um, Scott with prescriptions. Yeah, all the houses were destroyed and if they had this on the outside, it wouldn't have done anything, would've gotten toasty on the outside.

But in the egg is far more sensitive. You denature the proteins on an egg a lot more easily than you burn a house.

[00:09:31] Luke: Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that was wild. It's fun seeing things that can't be. It can't work because it can't work, in reality, it doesn't conform like that. I knew it was going to work because you wouldn't have showed me if it was going to fail. If here was a margin for error, you would've prefaced it by saying, "Hey, this might not work. But one out of a thousand times does. Let's see if it does." You're like, oh no, it's just a thing. Eh, you're sitting there blowing on it like a creme brulee.

[00:10:00] Ian: Yeah, you say that though the deputy director of NASA had flown down to see the gamma ray shielding like about a year ago. And I had this whole setup, and I had a big chunk of thorium inside a box with a Geiger counter on the outside. And the thorium was wrapped and lead like a jelly roll.

So it would only be amiss from the top and the bottom would be blocked by this big lead box. And so it was supposed to come out of this one hole. We set it up, tested it, everything worked flawlessly. And then, so she flies in, we move it from one segment of the lab ahead of the lab at the university where I'd been doing work.

And we moved it into the back section. Unbeknownst to me, the thorium got knocked over so it was horizontal. And so she comes in and we do this test and it doesn't work.

[00:10:45] Luke: Oh, shit.

[00:10:45] Ian: Like absolutely fell flat. And so I was like, oh, damn it. So tried it again. Nothing. And literally, I looked at her and went, "Look, mom, no hands, because it was like the most horrible professional fail and worst possible thing.

And so everybody split and then we took a little while and disassembled everything, and then we figured out that it had actually just fallen over. So we were able to do it and it would work. But that--

[00:11:12] Luke: Did you get the guy to come back and see it?

[00:11:13] Ian: Yeah, she came back. Yeah. But it was literally the worst professional feeling like you've got somebody that's just flown in to see this big da. I felt like Daffy duck doing the tap dance routine.

[00:11:24] Luke: That is humbling.

[00:11:26] Ian:  It was legit. Very embarrassing.

[00:11:29] Luke: So you got this fire retardant, you have this gamma ray blocker. Um, what's the latest, we talked about this in our last podcast, this carbon negative concrete, which you described as being really cool looking like a black concrete--

[00:11:43] Ian: Yeah, it looks like onyx. Yeah. And basically, you stabilize the carbon and the matrix inside of the concrete, and so you just replace a couple of the components. And also it's really good because you negate, uh, a portion of sand and some other things that are really actually, surprisingly, very much in the short supply in the world. 

Um, so you negate that being a necessary component and then people just throw it in the mix and then they make concrete with it. But part of that, like the adoption curve of things, what you really want to do is you want to set things up so that the people who do the work have to change the fewest things possible, because then you can actually get some sort of adoption.

The two big things are, is it different and does it cost more? And if you can negate those two things, then you can generally get some widespread adoption. 

But you have to take care of the finances first, because even if you have the best thing in the world, if people don't see a financial indication that it's going to behoove them to do-- I taught a course on green building in 1997, and nobody cared. 

Like, nobody cared about lifecycle costing and trying to development so that you were doing things in an environmentally and eco-friendly way and environmentally sustainable. Nobody cared. Everybody wanted to know, is it cheaper? And you just having remodeled your place, you really know and you did all the stuff. EMF blockers and things like that, they're expensive. You can't really lifecycle cost that out because the people on the other side of it, they don't care. When you go to sell your place, if you have $100,000 of sun costs, they're like, eh, whatever.

[00:13:19] Luke: Yeah, and if and when I do sell it, it's going to have to be a savvy buyer. I was thinking about that when I was doing it. I was like, is this going to be in the real estate listing? And if so, who is going to care or even know what that means?

[00:13:33] Ian: Yeah, you have the very odd overlapping Venn diagram of people who know about EMFs and people who like sustainable, healthy building and yeah.

[00:13:41] Luke: Yeah. Maybe when I and if I do, I'll advertise it on the podcast and people they'll already know.

[00:13:47] Ian: You've actually been doing a great service though, just in terms of general awareness of things like EMFs, because most people think that-- they can't see it, so they don't really pay attention to it. And unless you-- like in my lab, I've got tri field meters everywhere.

So you'll pick up a tri field meter and you can actually see what's going down. But if you don't have that, they're cheap. You can buy them for 60 bucks on Amazon. But most people don't care. They don't think that there's an impact. And what they don't realize is that it's completely marginalizing their biology all the time.

And unless you do something like, we were talking earlier about the, the Leela Quantum blocks and things like that-- unless you're doing something to actively mitigate it, then you're being blasted. Your physiology isn't responding as well as it should be.

[00:14:30] Luke: It is tough for people because, um, it's not like putting your hand inside a microwave oven and-- you know what I mean? It's death by a thousand cuts. It's one of those inputs that causes the oxidative stress and a number of other issues. It's not really quantifiable. For me luckily, and unluckily, I'm sorry guys to tell this story on the podcast again. I got so sick of saying it, but it was a huge turning point when I got radiation poisoning from living right under two massive freaking cell towers.

And I already believed in this stuff, but I was strategic in where I lived and mitigated things as much as I could, um, while remaining sane, but I couldn't see them and they were hidden. So therefore, it was not a nocebo or placebo effect of me worrying about these towers and getting sick because of them.

I didn't know they were there. I got super sick and then only after the fact when I discovered they were there, uh, realized that's what it was.

[00:15:28] Ian: There are so many things in our environment, people don't think about it, but our biology is designed to function with 21% oxygen in the air. Nowadays, we don't have that anymore. Everybody thinks we do, but we don't. It's 19%. So you've got basically a 10% deficit in just the available oxygen, and you need oxygen for the electron transport chain. You're not going to make ATP--

[00:15:50] Luke: Unless you are taking methylene blue.

[00:15:52] Ian: All right. Yeah. Well, that's interesting. So the things that I do and I do red light therapy, so I can reflect a complex four and do the cytochrome oxidase and change the Cox behavior so you can actually up-regulate your ability to make and utilize things and cycle oxygen through your system.

But we're at a deficit, right? Same thing with deuterium. The rationale behind me working on deuterium depleted water is that people don't realize it. A lot of people don't even really know what deuterium is. And for those who need the explanation, it's when you think of water, it's H2O.

But the H hydrogen is also called protium. And so it's a proton with an orbital electron. And deuterium is a proton neutron and an orbital electron. So it's twice the mass. Even though the atomic number is the same, it's twice the mass. So when you ingest that and your body processes the water through your mitochondria, it actually damages the little nanoscopic rotors in your mitochondria and downregulates your body's ability to perform.

We evolved at a really consistent rate. Our biology, all of our cells evolved over tens of thousands of years within 130ish, 135ish parts per million. And over the past 60 years, that's gone up to about 155 parts per million. And so there again, you've got this huge downregulation and energy potentiation that you're able to do.

So if you take out 10% of your water or 10% of your oxygen rather, and then you affect your energy with what you're consuming in water and it's ubiquitous, it's everywhere. That's stuff you just don't escape it. Um, you're not functioning at the level that you should be. So a lot of the things like clean water, um, global warming, all those things, they take a slight toll. So it's like you said, death by a thousand cuts. So I'm just trying to mitigate those things where I can.

[00:17:37] Luke: Um, is global warming really a thing? And if so, is there any proof-- and I'm an environmentalist, like I don't litter. I love nature. Don't get me wrong, but I remember seeing years ago, these scientists, um, displaying ice core drilling records, going back eons and showing how that at different times when the sun emitted more solar flares that the planet's been hotter.

It's been hot tons of times just like this. And their thing was that, yeah, it's happening, but it's not caused by humans. I think humans are screwing up the environment in enumerable ways like the cleanliness of our water, and the skies and the air and all the things, all the pollution. But the idea that humans make the planet hotter seems dubious.

[00:18:23] Ian: 95.47% if memory serves, and it generally does, of all greenhouse gases are non manmade and it's one thing, water vapor, right? So actually by a huge percentage, the largest thing. Now granted, it's a very balanced system, so you can take something out of homeostasis by just tweaking things a little bit.

It's like putting something on one side of a scale. It may not be much, but over time it's going start to move it. So I know that, yeah, we have altered things. I don't really concern myself so much with that component of it. Reason being, I actually hope that people make changes, but not so much for carbon dioxide.

I'm really worried about things like nitrogen dioxide, hydrogen sulfide. There are a lot of things that we do that are really harmful to pretty much everything that's biological on the planet. And so the reason I'm on the bandwagon of getting people to worry about global warming and things like that isn't for the direct effect of global warming.

It's really for the peripheral effects of the toxins and the poisons that they're pumping out. Because when you start to focus on one by proxy, you start to negate the other and take those down. And I'm really not so worried about the one. I'm really worried about the other because the short term effects of toxic environments, uh, is something that you're going to start seeing more and more.

[00:19:43] Luke: I agree. Yeah. I think I have a point of contention with, um, what I think is pseudo environmentalism, and that is where the huge elephants in the room are not discussed and some of the worst actors in pollution, climate change, etc, are totally, um, ignored from the conversation. Like China and India, for example, many people would think you were racist if you point out who the big polluting countries are.

But you see, I'm talking about main, not real environmentalists, but like pseudo environmentalists like China and India are off limits in terms of regulations. It's like they want to regulate all the western countries and stuff. The other thing is that, um, and this has nothing to do with what I wanted to talk to you about, by the way.

The other thing is, anytime I see someone pop off about the environment as well intentioned as they might be, if people aren't talking about geoengineering and what is happening to our skies, a, b, they're not talking about the ubiquitous radiation through all of the telecommunications industry, cell towers, 5G, all that stuff.

If we're not talking about that, my ears just shut down and my eyes glaze over and I'm just like, "Yeah. We're not talking about the really gnarly stuff." 

[00:21:08] Ian: And they're the most actionable too. That's what's crazy, actually. I was born in the '70s, so I remember the skies looking very differently on a daily basis. 

[00:21:20] Luke: They were blue and then you had clouds that came in that were round. 

[00:21:23] Ian: Yeah, there wasn't as much of a linear fashion to things you'd 

[00:21:27] Luke: Take that toe pattern across sky that eventually turns the whole sky cloudy when there's no real clouds. There're--

[00:21:33] Ian: There's a lot of things where people say, oh, that's conspiratorial. And I see things all the time where I'll look at it and go, huh, that's peculiar, the atmospheric program where they're high intensity radio waves in Alaska and shooting them all.

[00:21:45] Luke: Oh, HAARP? 

[00:21:46] Ian: Yeah. Now to me, I look at that and think, oh, well, that's really simple. You simply bubble the ionosphere and you can change the flow pattern of all the trade winds. There are a lot of downstream effects of that. So, to my way of thinking, if you extrapolate in that and you put it in a certain locations, pivotal locations, you can actually adjust things to get certain currents and do certain things, and that's very obvious.

[00:22:11] Luke: I'll give you my biggest conspiracy, and this is just one that I intuited and I could be insane. I think that the Haiti earthquake was created by HAARP as a test to see if they could do it.

[00:22:24] Ian: Well, what I would say--

[00:22:25] Luke: And again, when it happened, I was like, that's HAARP. I don't know why. It's just we can muscle test it. I don't know.

[00:22:31] Ian: I Will say, if you send out, um, radio frequency waves at specific frequencies, you can get much more penetration when you bounce it off the inosphere. You can get deep earth penetration. And there's--

[00:22:43] Luke: Because proponents of this type of technology use it to find, uh, oil, things like that. 

[00:22:49] Ian: It's an--

[00:22:50] Luke: like ground penetrating radar and--

[00:22:51] Ian: Yeah, it's informatics. You're trying to use new technology to see what's happening in the territory you're at. And there's a very thin line. You were at the lab, you saw some things that are weird. One of the things was, um, the drive that I built, which is this type of, uh, motor that's not supposed to exist, and it's supposed to violate all these laws of physics and it doesn't actually. So oftentimes when you see things that are violating something, it's not really that they're violating it, it's that our assessment of what those laws are isn't quite complete.

So if you do the research and you actually do the experimental stuff and you can say empirically, look, I did the experiment, this was my data, and this is how it's functioning. And then you can work out the equations to figure out what's going on. You can say, oh, turns out it doesn't violate anything. We just had an incorrect assumption about what was actually going down. 

And so I'm in a position where I've been lucky enough to do some things like that. But in that particular case, after I had developed a thing, I started thinking about it. I thought, Huh. There's a potential for great harm for this because it's a very easy thing to weaponize something like that. 

And I'm trying not to repeat the, as we talked about earlier, like the Jurassic Park thing of just because you can doesn't mean you should. And I don't want to be that guy who's oh, I'm going to have to start the Nobel Prize because I've developed and T and so many people have been killed. Alfred Nobel wanted to change the perception of his legacy.

That's why the Nobel Prize exists, is because things he developed killed so many thousands and thousands of people that towards the end of his life, he really wanted to shift things. And I don't want to make that same mistake, do something and think, wow, look at this great technological thing, and then have someone dapify it and say like, great idea. Let's take that and see how many other people we can kill with it.

[00:24:43] Luke: Also just out of self-preservation, you see how people that, um, are able to, uh, build an engine that runs on water instead of gasoline and they disappear pretty quickly.

Free energy devices, stuff like this, if I came up with something like that, I'd keep it real quiet, throw it in the garage and impress your friends. But yeah, you bring something, um, out of your creative core and you're using your intelligence and intuition and you create something unique, and innovative. But if it's like a firearm, it can obviously be used, uh, as a great tool or--

[00:25:21] Ian: Yeah. Well, one of the things that in the process of developing the gamma shielding that we came up with was I figured out how to make a gamma ray laser. And it's, uh, very intense. It's a couple of order of magnitudes stronger than what you would normally get with something that's photonic in nature, just in terms of the visible spectrum of light.

So you go up a couple of orders of magnitude because of the disparity in the wavelengths. And so that in and of itself, it has a lot of potential for good, but it also has a lot of potential to be weaponized and not be so good. And you were up there, there are a lot of things that I've built that I go, yeah, not quite ready for that yet.

And then I literally just disassemble them and put them away because I don't think we're there yet. And I really don't want to go down the berry path of developing something and then spending the rest of my life regretting that.

[00:26:14] Luke: Oh my God. Can you imagine?

[00:26:15] Ian: No, I genuinely can't.

[00:26:18] Luke: Life's hard enough when you just realize you've been an asshole, and you want to take it back. I have so many situations in my life in which it's, I'm just mortified by my behavior when I was less awake.

[00:26:30] Ian: Yeah. Think about like the Oppenheimer's and guys like that. I bet if you ask them like, "Hey, that bomb that you did how's that feel?" They'd probably be like, eh, sucks. 

[00:26:40] Luke: Yeah. For real. 

[00:26:41] Ian: I just don't want to move down that barrier path. I'd rather, sometimes I have an intellectual curiosity about something like, can't I do it? How does it work? What is that? And so I scratch that itch. I'll solve the puzzle. Great. Got the answer. Write it down, put it away.

[00:26:56] Luke: AD MARKER Um, another thing that was interesting at your lab amongst the many curiosities was, uh, submarine-looking giant hyperbaric oxygen tank that your welder mechanic friend, employee was over there, soldering stuff and I'm like, what is happening? It's a hyperbaric chamber. And my first thought, and I might have even asked you this, I said, you can buy these, right? You might have to actually build one.

[00:27:24] Ian: Not quite like that.

[00:27:25] Luke: Is there something special about the one you're building and why you chose, other than just not wanting to pay for it, um, buying a commercial grade medical three atmosphere chamber?

[00:27:33] Ian: Um, so this one would do a lot more than that. And so I wanted to do a couple of things, because it serves a couple of purposes. One, I can use it as a hyperbaric chamber. Two, I can use it as a vacuum chamber for testing. So it's made with half inch thick steel, so it's far more robust than even a three atmosphere chamber's going to be.

[00:27:52] Luke: Ah, okay. And what would a vacuum, uh, chamber provide for you?

[00:27:56] Ian: Um, there are certain things that I'm testing that I need to test in a vacuum, and sometimes you don't want, like I have vacuum ovens and things like that, but you want a larger space to test something. And actually there's a surprising amount of things that behave very differently when they're under a vacuum. Developing different stuff and it's got a half inch lane for the, uh, for the view ports and things like that. It is, and it's giant too. You saw it.

[00:28:19] Luke: Yeah. Oh, you could have a party in there. But you do intend to use it for health purposes as well?

[00:28:26] Ian: Yeah, actually, one of the things I was going to do is I was going to run, uh-- I know you saw a Shadi study where you talked about the regressive effects on aging of spending in 90 minutes a day in a hyperbaric chamber.

And so if you read that study, really they did it over 60 days, um, of active therapy, which worked out to 90 days because they'd take the weekends off. But really the big effects were in six weeks. It was the 30 day mark. You get the biggest yield on that. And so all they were doing, it wasn't even fully oxygenated.

You're breathing medical grade oxygen through a cannula, and you're in a high pressure, air environment instead of a high pressure, oxygen environment, which is great because if you want to go in there and use your laptop or your phone, there's no risk for explosion, which is far better than putting yourself inside the bomb chamber that's super thick walled and using something in an, oops, I made a spark.

[00:29:18] Luke: So With the one you're building, will the ambient air be, uh, pure oxygen too, not in via a cannula?

[00:29:25] Ian: No, we can do both. So we have oxygen separators, concentrators, and filters to do medical grade oxygen. So we can do it either way. So for that, my game plan is to actually just pressurize the air because it's far easier and faster, and it's a lot less cumbersome.

Because with a chamber that big, really what you want to do is you want to take liquid oxygen, and then because of the volumetric expansion, you want to use that and then change the temperature and then pipe that in. But, um, yeah, so for the most part I'll just use air and then just go breathe medical grade oxygen through the cannula.

[00:29:57] Luke: Uh, any progress on transferring the hyperbaric idea to hydrogen gas? Is that possible? 

[00:30:05] Ian: Yeah, it totally possible. 

[00:30:07] Luke: Why isn't anyone doing that?

[00:30:09] Ian: I don't know, actually. I've heard a couple of people have built big systems for that, but I don't know why it isn't more prevalent. Well, partly I do, because one, again, hydrogen is very flammable and nobody wants, like brought to you by Hindenberg Labs. 

[00:30:24] Luke: Yeah.

[00:30:25] Ian: So that's not the best thing. And also hydrogen's difficult to contain. So the seals that you have to use are very different. Um, it's one of the things like in a perfect system, um, Sterling Engines, which are like a thermal cycle engine, they're great, but they work really the best if you use hydrogen. But difficult because the seals leak and you have to go through a lot of hoops to do it. So the same thing applies to the hyperbaric stuff. It a little difficult, but I don't know why people aren't doing it more because the benefits of molecular hydrogen are great.

I figured out a way to stabilize molecular hydrogen and water. Um, obviously, we just drank some. And so it's a little different. I was trying to shoot for really high percentages, so it's a little more fizzy. It's like the stuff I was doing with the oxygen. Stabilizing molecular oxygen and water at rates. Normally water is eight parts per million, uh, oxygen. And so like when you were at the lab, I gave you some of the wizard water.

[00:31:21] Luke: Yeah. So for those listening, he's got a full I don't know how many gallons or how it's measured, gigantic oxygen chain hooked up. It looked like a brewery set up, hooked water and it's bubbling through there.

And it was very impressive. And uh, we did the pulse oximeter. And I think Alyson's went up a couple point. Mine seem to stay the same. But this is when you were in a lower concentration of oxygen.

[00:31:47] Ian: Yeah. So we did that at 27, 28 parts per million. And so now we're doing it at over 100. And so what I've noticed is with everyone, we've tested two different effects. So either your pulse ox goes up to close to 100, or your pulse rate goes down. So either way, it's basically a translate.

There's less strain on your body, your VO2 max shifts. Um, I think it's going to be great for athletes. Anybody who has a real demand on their system, if you can get a 6% bump in your VO2 max, just by virtue of drinking something, normally to get that shift, you'd have to do hit training for maybe six weeks, and then you can get a 10 to 16% increase.

But for elite athletes who are already at the top end of their game, they're capped out. They're not going to be able to do that. But if you can provide something that's a different pathway and get them more oxygen so that they have actually more intracellular resources, then that's a game changer.

[00:32:43] Luke: That's cool. That's like legal doping.

[00:32:46] Ian: Uh, yeah. Effectively. Yeah. Well, you see it all the time. Nobody really talks about it. Like when you get the 400 pound linebacker that's on the sideline sucking down oxygen from a cannula, and then goes back out and then just runs vigorously, that's how they do that. They're not superhuman.

[00:33:04] Luke: I've seen, uh, musicians do that too, like backstage. They come in huff on the oxygen.

[00:33:09] Ian: I was in Colorado a couple months ago and uh, they actually had bottled 02 with a little nasal cannula on it in the store and for people who are visiting. 

[00:33:19] Luke: Yeah, hikers and stuff, yeah, yeah. I used to. I got to get back on this, but, uh, I used to bring those on airplanes. 

[00:33:26] Ian: Really?

[00:33:26] Luke: You're not supposed to. Don't tell anyone. Actually, a friend of mine told me that his cousin--

[00:33:32] Ian: Asking for a friend.

[00:33:33] Luke: Yeah. But the little ones, and then a couple times I messed up and even had the taller ones, maybe like nine inches, which would be beyond the four ounces of liquid, and I've never had them taken away by TSA.

[00:33:44] Ian: They probably think it's just some medical condition.

[00:33:46] Luke: Yeah, but I put it in my carryon and then it just hit it every now and then. And, um, I would check my blood oxygen with a pulse oximeter and it would be dipping down to 95, 96. Take a couple hits of that, 99. 

[00:34:00] Ian: Oh yeah. And can feel it too. You really do. It's like when you're at Elevation and you're hiking in the mountains up there, whew, man, if you haven't been there a while and you're not accustomed and acclimated to it, oh my God, you start to feel lightheaded.

But if you take, either, if you drink my water, you drink that, you feel just spot on instantly and it lasts for about 20 to 25 minutes, which is nice because when you're doing the breathable stuff, the effect is not that long. You burn through it really quickly. Yeah.

[00:34:29] Luke: Yeah, after I started doing those, then I think I forgot them at some point or something and, uh, I thought what if I just do breath work like low key without getting them grounding the plane because they think I'm insane or something.

But I started doing low key breath work and I would get it up the same way. It's still easier just go sh than it is to sit there and do breath work inconspicuously. But, uh, yeah. That's interesting. Um, the, um, hydrogen chamber idea, when I had that idea a while ago with the chamber I have, which is 1.5 atmosphere is one of the soft show ones. For those listening, there's an oxygen concentrator that takes the ambient air in the room and turns it into, what, 99% oxygen? 98. Okay. And then that goes in a little tube into the chamber, and then there's a cannula, which is a nose piece hooked up to that. So you breathe this pure oxygen while you're under the pressure. 

And I have, uh, a vital reaction, hydrogen generator that makes I think 3 or 4%, and it's on my desk. I use it every day, almost all day while I'm working. It's incredible for your cognitive function. So one day I was like, aha. I can make my own chamber. So I took the cannula off my hydrogen inhaler and, um, connected it to the chamber and turned it on and got in the chamber, thought this is nice, did my 30 minutes or whatever and got out in the whole thing had not blown up broken, but the pressure from the god damn chamber blew it all back and there's water everywhere and stuff.

And I realized, oh, that's why the oxygen concentrator has a pressure gauge on it. So that the pressure in the chamber doesn't exceed the pressure coming from the concentrator.

[00:36:06] Ian: So you get the concentrator and you put that in line with a compressor and you concentrator into the compressor into the chamber. Yeah. Otherwise, you'll blow it. Those little medical grade cylinders, they're at a much higher PSI and so when you pipe that through a cannula, it's already much higher than what you're exposing it to. So it just normalizes the pressure.

[00:36:24] Luke: Got it. Yeah. So that was another one of my failed experiments. Uh, you've been much more successful in your lab.

[00:36:29] Ian: You think that, but that's the thing.

[00:36:32] Luke: You have had a few fires--

[00:36:33] Ian: I have had a couple of fires and, we have those safety third t-shirts that everybody gives me grief about. The reality is it's companies that say safety first. No, they don't. That's not. The profits first.

[00:36:44] Luke: Revenue first. Yeah. Exactly.

[00:36:46] Ian: They're not, it's revenue then it's safety at some point down the road, and really in my lab, this sounds trite, but really the first thing is kindness. And you saw this, with everybody that works there. Everybody who works there is-- 

[00:37:00] Luke: Great crew.

[00:37:00] Ian: Yeah, great crew. Happy to be there. There's stellar humans. And then innovation is the second thing. And unfortunately, sometimes you're innovating, like when I was doing the high pressure hydrogen, um, yeah, I blew up the lab. I blew out the ceiling, blew out the walls. And luckily I was there by myself because I sent shrapnel for the containment vessel.

[00:37:21] Luke: Really?

[00:37:22] Ian: Yeah. I sent it flying everywhere.

[00:37:24] Luke: So no fire, just explosion.

[00:37:26] Ian: No, just an explosion.

[00:37:27] Luke: Evisceration of metal vessels flying as shrapnel.

[00:37:31] Ian: Yeah, cast aluminum shrapnel blowing across the lab. Yeah.

[00:37:37] Luke: You didn't get any in you?

[00:37:38] Ian: No, I lucked out actually, I literally had just been in front of the vessel and I had walked over to adjust the pressure on the side when the entire thing went boom and blew out the wall and the ceilings and sent razor sharp shards of aluminum flying everywhere. And yeah. Had it been maybe 10 seconds earlier than that, I would've had an issue.

[00:38:00] Luke: Wow. Wow. Um, back to the water, the wizard water. So I had one iteration of it when we were there. Now it's stronger at 100 ppm. Is this going to be a commercial Wizard Science's products?

[00:38:13] Ian: Yeah. We're going to release it. I think at first we'll just do it for people who have current customers and subscriptions, just so it's special thing so that our crew gets the test out for us too. 

[00:38:24] Luke: Oh, cool.

[00:38:24] Ian: Yeah. And then I'm working with another group and we're going to do a version where it's deterioration depleted, hyper oxygenated water.

[00:38:31] Luke: Ooh.

[00:38:32] Ian: Yeah. We came up with the new process to do deuterium depletion, so it'll be the cost of normal water. Yeah. 

[00:38:38] Luke: What ppm deuterium water do you think you can do?

[00:38:42] Ian: Um, well, right out of the gate it was 54. So that was 54, one pass. 

[00:38:47] Luke: That's delutable. 

[00:38:49] Ian: Yeah. It is delutable.

[00:38:49] Luke: You still get up to 85 or?

[00:38:51] Ian: Well, the big plus was, it goes back to that same thing. If you want to get widespread adoption, what do you work on first? Cost. Because I always feel bad, anytime somebody calls and says, oh, I have a family member, I have cancer, or something like that.

The first thing I tell them is, get on a ketogenic diet. Get them on deuterium depleted water. But I always feel guilty telling him to get deuterium depleted water because it's stupidly expensive.

[00:39:14] Luke: It is. Yeah.

[00:39:15] Ian: And now, I won't have that same wincing feeling. I'll just say, I'm going to buy this stuff. It's far better.

[00:39:22] Luke: And for those listening, we'll put it in the show notes. But I have done, uh, at least, uh, three or four full episodes all about deuterium. So if people, you describe what it is, but the process of the water and how you get it out of your body and all the things we have covered, uh, add infinitum. Um, so your Wizard water will eventually be then deuterium depleted water infused with oxygen?

[00:39:47] Ian: Yeah, well, it won't be Wizard. The Wizard water would probably just--

[00:39:51] Luke: Oh, okay.

[00:39:51] Ian: Stay, uh, the hyper oxygenated. But then this will be with another group that I partnered with out of California so we're doing that. Really good guys, really.

[00:40:01] Luke: That's awesome, man.

[00:40:03] Ian: It needed to be done.

[00:40:04] Luke: It is a huge barrier to entry, unless one is terminally ill and you're selling all your shit and you pulling your resources and people are helping to support you financially and whatnot. Um, for your average person who's just yeah, I want to be a little healthier, getting on a three or four month exclusive deuterium depleted water routine is pretty expensive.

[00:40:23] Ian: Yeah, you're going to spend about a grand doing it, and most people won't do that. The other thing is, you feel a little bit of clarity, but it's not such a huge needle mover. If you're marginalized and you have some metabolic syndrome like cancer or something like that, yeah, I would say it's pivotal.

They're probably 800 plus studies on PubMed. And you know that some are NIH backed that show very conclusively, dropping your deuterium levels affects the outcome of cancer. And that's a really simple thing because you can look at the way cancer functions and say, cancer has to exist within a certain energetic threshold.

If it depletes your cells too much, the cells die. If the cells are too healthy and they have enough energy, then you're not going to get the cancer. Um, and actually there was a great paper in 2017 from a university in Spain, um, in Bill Bao, that demonstrably showed that there was a very set metabolic threshold in terms of energetic potential where cancer could thrive.

Above that, it didn't work, below that, it didn't work. And so it tries to marginalize your physiology and keep it in that range. And so if you're marginalized and you take something that's going to instantly give you a boost of, say, 10% in terms of intracellular energy, by virtue of dropping out the deuterium that's inhibiting the cells, it's worth its weight in gold because you're already right in the threshold.

[00:41:49] Luke: Yeah. And the cool thing about the water is that you can very clearly tell that it's working because you can get, uh, a deuterium test prior to doing a series of the water and you do a test afterward and it's remarkably low. That's what have happened for me.

[00:42:06] Ian: Yeah. 

[00:42:06] Luke: That's cool because you take supplements and you're like, I think I feel better. But until you do blood work or something that's quantifiable, you just have to trust the research behind it and--

[00:42:16] Ian: Those are great to do because the deuterium is really getting in your system and like you were saying, if you're doing like vitamin C, you can take all the vitamin C you want. If it's not actually getting into your cells, it doesn't matter. It's like having food just out of reach.

I have this huge spread of food, but I'm starving because I can't reach it. If it's not inside your cells, it's not really helping you. But with the deuterium, because it is definitively moving inside your cells because it's being processed mitochondrially, you can see that when you take those tests. You do get a correlation and say, oh, my level has dropped 100%.

[00:42:49] Luke: Yeah, it's pretty cool. I think mine went from 149 to 129, something like that.

[00:42:56] Ian: And what did you notice physiologically? Did you feel better?

[00:42:59] Luke: To be honest, it's not something I can pinpoint. That's the problem with being as obsessed as I am with all this stuff. People ask me, did this thing work? Did that thing work? I'm like, "I would have to live like your average person, which I literally don't think I could do, just because--

[00:43:16] Ian: Yeah. I know your daily routine.

[00:43:17] Luke: 2OCD. But I would just go to the grocery store, eat regular GMO food, drink tap water. Just live as baseline as most people in the world do, those that are fortunate enough to at least have groceries and tap water, many aren't. They'll just say the average American, eat the standard American diet. Exercise in a moderate way and do that for three months and then do the deuterium thing and see how much better I feel or try Wizard Sciences potions or whatever it is.

But it sucks because I can't really very easily do isolated tests. Um, so something has to really move the needle for me to be like, holy shit. Like recently for example, I started taking desiccated thyroid at the suggestion of a great doctor named, uh, Craig Conniver. And you don't even need to do thyroid tests.

Just trust me. See how, take this and see how you feel. Within two weeks, I can barely meditate in the afternoon because I have too much energy. I don't want to stop working and running around. I just don't get tired.

[00:44:13] Ian: That's awesome.

[00:44:14] Luke: And that's pretty much all I did differently. So every once in a while something comes along that you're like, oh shit, there's a before and after that I can differentiate.

[00:44:23] Ian: With threshold. Uh, one of the things I've noticed is like the Olympic serum for Wizard, um, the people that get the biggest bump from that are athletes. I've had athletes call me a lot of the top CrossFit athletes are using it now. And one quarterback for a big NFL team, and those guys, because they're right at the very edge of what they're doing, one of the CrossFitters called me, this fellow named Sam. He gave me a call and got my number and called mine just to answer it and he had all these questions. The first question was, is this legal? And said, yeah, it's absolutely legal. There's nothing that conflicts with water or you soda, or any of those things.

And he said I literally, after one dose, I did my best run ever and I lifted more than I've lifted in the past seven years. And those guys CrossFitters are insane in terms of like their metrics, how they track it, and so they notice like something that gives them a huge boost and I don't know that I would notice it.

 Granted I just had a broken leg, so I haven't been like able to exercise for as of today, 15 weeks. But when you're really pushing yourself, you can see the difference. If it's something where you're just like me you're probably not going to notice it.

[00:45:35] Luke: Yeah, and I think elite athletes are good beta testers for things because they're finely tuned and so sensitive. I don't know that many athletes, but the couple that I do know, um won't want to eat something suspect because they're going to notice 3% of that yesterday or the next day when they have to perform or in something like that. It's one little push to, uh, their detriment and it's much more meaningful than it is for your average person.

[00:46:00] Ian: When I originally made the Olympic serum, the guys that were doing it, they were trying out for the Olympics for pole vaulting. And what was hilarious is they all have this grip strength testers because when they're doing the approach, they have crazy strength and because they have to rotate the pole as they're coming over it.

And so their forearms are really strong and their grip strength is off the charts. And the testers, they were all like in the one 60 range and the tester only went to 200. And they sent me a picture because one of the guys actually broke the tester.

[00:46:29] Luke: Serious?

[00:46:29] Ian: Yeah. I'll show you the picture. 

[00:46:30] Luke: That's cool. 

[00:46:31] Ian: It's hilarious because he actually shattered the thing and he was consistently well over 200. And it's different potentiation and it's a dose dependent function, right? So the more you take, the more you're able to hyper potentiate your muscles. So it's not that you're stronger, it's not that you're bigger, it's that you're actually getting better muscle recruitment and you get that signal to fire.

So your muscle recruitment goes up. So pound for pound, you appear as if you're actually stronger. It's not that you're really stronger, it's just that you've got better muscle recruitment because your brain physiologically down regulates your firing capacity for your muscles to about 25 to 30% of what they actually can do unless you're in a fight or flight response.

And so then they go off the charts like if it's, ah, survival or death, uh, your body upregulates like your ability to access that muscle and does all the skeletal muscle recruitment. But normally you get like 25 to 30% and that's it.

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[00:47:24] Luke: Oh, that's interesting. While we're at it, I was going to ask you about this because I've been on this stuff for, I don't know, maybe six months or something, maybe even longer. Um, the, um, Olympic RX for those watching here by Wizard Sciences. And I just remember you telling me something about yeah, it makes you stronger. And I was like, great, I need that. So I just took it, but I didn't really, because I just know you and trust you. I just think anything you make has always been awesome.

So I was like, ah, whatever he says I'm going to take. Um, but how does it work? I never actually found out like what's in it, what's the mechanism of action?

[00:47:57] Ian: Okay, so there are a couple different things. So the first thing is Lipophorins. So that's a carbon 60 bound to a lipid. And so in that case it's a oleic acid, which is like olive oil. So you use that because it moves through the cell membranes and goes to most of your skeletal muscle. And it actually moves the nanosphere through the membrane, and then the nanosphere de localizes and goes to the mitochondria and it locks in the mitochondrial membrane. There's a good NIH.

[00:48:25] Luke: Is this what C60 does?

[00:48:26] Ian: Yeah. This is what the C60 is doing.

[00:48:27] Luke: Oh, that's crazy. It's that small, huh?

[00:48:29] Ian: Oh, yeah. 1.1 nanometers wide. So it's really tiny. Yeah. So it goes--

[00:48:34] Luke: How many nanometers is a cell?

[00:48:37] Ian: Oh, thousands. 

[00:48:39] Luke: Really?

[00:48:39] Ian: Yeah. Well, if you look at uh, you could say like 20 microns or something like that like thousands. 

[00:48:47] Luke: Okay. So if I put my arms in a circle like, this the cell and the C60 is like a pin prick?

[00:48:53] Ian: Yes, it's a little yeah.

[00:48:55] Luke: Okay, cool.

[00:48:56] Ian: It is very tiny. You're talking things at atomic scale, so very small stuff. Um, things that you can measure, like 11 angstroms. And it's measured in the measurements that you use when you're measuring atomic particles and things like that.

So really tiny stuff. And so it, yeah, it delocalizes and then it hits the mitochondrial membrane and stays wedged there. And so when your body's making energy, you are always exposed to free radicals and oxidative stress, and it negates that. So actually, it's surprisingly good as both an, uh, electronic sector and donor methylene blue.

It can function in both capacities. Um, so it blocks oxidative stress. And so what we found early on was that when you do that, it negates somewhere between 18 and 58.3% of the oxidative stress load. So you get a shift. When you measure ATP, you get that much of a bump, which is huge bump in ATP output, and that's literally just from blocking system loss.

So that was my first pass at doing that years ago. And then I went back and shifted it so that I would add other things to it, uh, NMN and resveratrol. Because in a balanced combo, those things actually, they don't block system loss. They actually add in because their NAD precursors, or at least NMN is, so it's an NAD precursors.

So it actually gives you the potential to make more energy. So I started breaking down the different complexes. So then I put CoQ10 in, and then I upregulated the energy inside the cells across different complexes of the electron transport chain. So you can boost up all of the different aspects. So you block the system lost, then you increase the potential, so you end up with a much more robust, energetic platform.

And then I started thinking, okay, what else could I do? I can make more mitochondria. So then there's PQQ the purely quinone. And so that stimulates mitochondrial biogenesis. So you actually end up with more little power plants in your cell, so then you can have more and more energies.

So you increase the density of it. And so over time you literally get stronger because you've got, instead of anybody can ramp up a, like a Ford Fiesta to 600 horsepower, over time, your motor's going to blow. So you want to distribute that load over, say a V12 it's much easier to keep 600 horsepower.

It's just humming along very nicely. So that's what that does is over the time you take it, it drops inflammatory response, knocks out oxidative stress, and then increases the amount of mitochondria you have. So the longer you take it, the more of a beneficial effect it's going to have, and you're just going to get stronger and stronger and stronger.

[00:51:28] Luke: That's funny. It wasn't too long before I started taking or after I started taking the thyroid that I got on this. So I wonder--

[00:51:36] Ian: man.

[00:51:36] Luke: Sometimes I'm like, oh, it was that thing. But I also started something else new and powerful around the same time. That's interesting now that I think about it, because I use this when I go work. I at least work out one day a week. That's my commitment to myself. Sundays, I go to ARX and I kill myself in a positive sense. And what I'll do is I'll put your, um, Olympic Rx with some electrolytes. Um, some Kion, aminos, um, and some, uh, red juice from Organifi.

They run ads on my show. See, I really use this shit you guys, but I make this really like vasodilator, massive amino acid, creatine if I have it around and then I put this stuff in there and I drink a bunch before I get on the machine, which is for those listening, I imagine like a robot trying to kill you.

[00:52:23] Ian: It is hardcore, actually.

[00:52:26] Luke: It's not like normal resistance training. Weights could never do this because your range of motion would get tweaked and you would break a bone or tear a ligament or something. So it's super, super hard. But I drink that. And then during, in between sets I do two sets because that's all you really can handle. Um, I'll drink the rest of it and I crush it. I don't get fatigue, my ears don't ring. What happens to me is not normal. 

[00:52:49] Ian: No. 

[00:52:49] Luke: Or at least lack of what's--

[00:52:51] Ian: funny that you say that because you use this stuff. The Kion amino as I was telling Ben Greenfield, like he asked me a couple weeks ago if there was anything I needed and I said, yeah, some more aminos because I actually use that stuff because there are products, we all know like in the health and wellness space, there are some products that are just exemplary that we all use. If you go to everybody's house, you're going to see them.

[00:53:12] Luke: Yeah, totally. Totally.

[00:53:14] Ian: Which is funny because literally, I walked downstairs in your place and I was like, ah, that's a familiar bottle. But I'm scratching my own edge too because like I take it every day. So I start my day out, I'll heat up some water.

Or actually what I've been doing lately is I take, um, VH juice and I put a tablespoon of that in my VH juice and then a gram of NMN in addition to what's in there. Actually what I found, one of my friends is a genetics professor and he had been taking NMN really heavily for a long time because he was one of the guys that figured out it was there. And, uh, he started taking that stuff and his testosterone numbers skewed up 300 points over a month which is a pretty profound shift.

[00:53:57] Luke: Yeah, I'll take that.

[00:53:58] Ian: Yeah. And so I was like, huh, that's an idea. So I started just upping mine to one gram of NMN and then a tablespoon of that and if you put it in the V8, like you don't taste it because it's funny because I've done the base compounds that are in that, I've done it now for almost 12 years. No, actually not 12, 10 years. A little over 10 years. And I still loathe the taste. 

[00:54:21] Luke: Like it doesn't me at all. 

[00:54:23] Ian: Man. I don't know how guys do that. Like neural, I'm fine with. It's great.

I I like the taste of the Neural Rx. I don't know what it is in there, but it is a very specific, unique taste. The combination of things or something, nothing else on the planet tastes like that. And I don't think most people would drink it because it tastes good. 

Yeah. 

[00:54:41] Luke: I crave it. I just drink it out of the bottle, uh, when I wake up, often time before podcasts and we can talk about how it works, but, I had some this morning, I was like, I got to ask. I am like, why does this taste good? It has this very--

[00:54:53] Ian: There is this kind without flavor.

[00:54:54] Luke: But it's flavored or anything. It's not, ooh, this is pineapple. It's almost like a metallic taste in a way. But it's good.

[00:55:00] Ian: I think part of that is-- I did this, uh, thing with horses a while back, and I was like doing this equestrian thing, trying to figure out a different formula for different mammals. And so when I did the thing with horses, the first day I brought up the serum that I had made for the horses, and it was in an oleic acid base. So olive oil base with a bunch of other compounds, beta-alanine, things to up-regulate how they'd function, and then things to drop joint stress. And the first day I put it on their oats and they were like a little reserved about it. And, uh, the second day I'm a big guy. I'm almost 300 pounds. 

And the second day one of these horses came out, it was like a 1,500 pound horse, and it came over and I was trying to get everything prepped and it wanted it like it. It was right there and it wanted it. And so it just casually moved up next to me with his head and swatted me, like launched me. So it could get the oats. And I was like, okay, big critter. But it's-- I think you do, like day one it was eh, but day two it wanted it.

[00:56:00] Luke: So there's something biologically signaling brain to go more of that. Thank you.

[00:56:05] Ian: I know that, uh, in the clinical trials I did with canines like seven, eight years ago, um the woman who was proctor the trial and it was a place in Pennsylvania, she called me and on day one and was like, yeah, I got them to take it. And then day two she said, okay, so we're having a weird effect. And I was like, what's up? And Melissa said, um, the first day they took it, we got them to take it and they were okay with it. Second day when they were keeping the dogs in a pen with two dogs in each pen. Um, the dogs were trying to lick it out of the other dog's mouth as they were administering it. So I was like actually those dogs they're very affectionate. 

[00:56:42] Luke: Yeah, you're like, I put dog oxytocin in there. That's funny you mentioned that because, uh, when I give your pet formula to Cookie, what do I see C 60 or something in there? Um, she has a lot of energy.

 There's been days where I give it to her and then I forget and I'm like, what is her problem? She needs a walk. And it's no, she's actually hyped from that stuff. I think--

[00:57:03] Ian: No it is. We noticed that too. That's one of the things, and there's no placebo effects with dogs. So you can see, like I've seen multiple times where dogs can't walk, they can't jump and then they can-- like with mine, I tested it on myself way back when-- first to make sure it was, I knew the safety profile because it's basically carbon.

Wouldn't be bad because carbon detoxifies your system. But I tested it on myself first. And then my dog was a great pyne golden retriever mix, like the two XL golden. And he had gotten to the point where he couldn't get up in the bed with me. And so he it was totally sad. He'd put his front paws up and then he'd slink up next to me and then when he would get off, he would put his paws on the ground and then pull himself off until his hind legs plopped.

And he was-- at the time, I want to say he was maybe five and a half. And it was totally depressing. So after I tested on myself, I started giving it to him and within three weeks he was literally running and jumping up on the bed again and had like just ridiculous, boundless energy. And I was like, oh this is cool.

 Because dogs, they're great. They don't have a placebo effect, so you can see if they feel good, they'll respond. And so it gave me like an extra three years of good time with him before he got really imbeached.

[00:58:12] Luke: Speaking of dogs, look at 

[00:58:13] Ian: Hey You're so right about the placebo in dogs because, um, sometimes if we're going to take Cookie to, um, an event where there's a lot of excitement and she could potentially bother someone by being too happy and cute, uh, and loud, um, I give her some CBD. And she hates it. I used to try hold her mouth open and squirt it in. It was torturous for her. 

[00:58:33] Luke: So I figured I could, um, put it in like her little dehydrated liver treats and I put it in there and on a few occasions, I'm sorry about this, Cookie. I didn't, I eyeballed it and it was like half a dropper of the, um, the element, um, uh, uh, uh, CBD, which is now I learned quite strong.

And then a few hours later we're out with cooking and we're like, what is wrong with her? Just, uh, totally comatose. And I was I think, I don't think it's going to hurt her. And I'll be more mindful. It actually happened the other night, to be honest, um, because I just wasn't really paying attention.

[00:59:04] Ian: From your perspective, she's choose from her perspective.

[00:59:08] Luke: Yeah, he's probably feeling great, but it was reassuring to me because I know I'm not wasting my money on CBD. It definitely relaxes your nervous system at the very least. 

[00:59:19] Ian: I remember the first time I actually looked at that molecule, it was about five years ago, and I had never played with it before. And a company in California reached out to me and they wanted me to develop some products for them of vape actually back in the day. And so I did all this weird stuff with it, mixed it with a pulmonary surfactant so that it would open the cilia and the lungs.

And you would do with a prey baby. You open the cilia up so that since they can't breathe, they can bring in a lot more oxygen. And the effects were profound. I didn't realize just what a cool molecule it was. You can do all sorts of really great things with it.

[00:59:53] Luke: Yeah I always thought it was hype until I finally found some good brands. There's this company owned, uh, and NED and then Element, those are the only three that I take and I go, holy shit. Or I track my sleep. I'll take to be honest, a mega dose, like way above the recommended, but I really want to sleep and I'll take a bunch and I'm like, god damn. Sure enough, on the nights that I take it, my sleep scores are better.

[01:00:16] Ian: Oh, yeah.

 I a doubt 

[01:00:16] Luke: I just wake up knowing wow, I was really deep.

[01:00:19] Ian: That's the thing is a lot of this stuff, we're all trying to scratch our own itch and find I'm agnostic about it. The stuff I'm making is, I think the best thing that I can do right now. Hopefully, five years from now I'll have something that's way better or somebody else will have found something that's way better.

In which case I will take that for sure because ultimately all this stuff is just about what makes you perform at the highest level possible. So for me it's what can I do to drop out neural inflammation and enhance neural potentiation and get clarity mentally because obviously I've played with nootropics for the better part of a decade now, and I'm always trying to push myself to figure out like, what can I do? How can I pace myself up? And I used to be an ile about it. I would get on the Cambridge Brain Sciences website and track my performance on everything.

[01:01:06] Luke: Really? Oh, you are a nerd.

[01:01:07] Ian: Yeah. Actually when I started looking at nootropic stacks and the effects of what you could do, I was doing that and I could never exceed the 83rd percentile. So I really took six months and really delved into what does this nootropic do? And that nootropic and came up with like my ultimate stack for them. And when I hit that stack it was literally the color changed. Like things like piracetam, they actually will change your color perception.

And it's like the lights come on. And I remember thinking like, holy shit, this is what it's like to be brilliant. And then four hours later, he

 goes back ah, new normal.

[01:01:42] Luke: I'm just me again. Have you tried any of the Nootopia stuff? 

[01:01:46] Ian: No. 

[01:01:46] Luke: I haven't man, dude. I've had a lot of great nootropics, um, mostly isolated like Rasadams and modafinil and all kinds of different stuff. Um, but the Nootopia stuff, it's made by the BiOptimizers guys. Uh, this guy goes by Mr. Newtz. Mark, Ellinger. Uh, he was on the show. Great guy. Um, but he had a problem to solve.

 I forget the particulars of his story, but essentially he is like, all right, I've tried all these nootropics, but I want to really nail it. And so he went deep into the research like that. And their formulas, dude-- luckily for me, they're, and if they're listening, thank you and don't stop, but they send me a box every month.

I never signed up for the guy was on my podcast, maybe he enjoyed himself, and I'm like, thank God, but dude, this stuff is legit. I trying Yeah, and it's really cool the way they did it too, because, um, there's a little kind of a guidebook that comes with it. And so there's maybe 10 different formula, um, some of them in powders, but most of them in capsules with some kind of lipid in there or something. 

And sometimes it's a capsule within a capsule because they're breaking up at different times. Uh, but anyway, the way that they advise you to do it, which I think is really smart, is you take one at a time and you track your progress and it's a workbook.

And then by the end of the first month you'll have an idea of which ones do what for you in your own unique biochemistry, which is really cool. Of course, I didn't do that because I'm psycho and I just was like, I'll take all at once and then scale back from there if I feel weird, which is not how I advise doing things, but even just barely following their suggestions.

And what is useful is they show you which ones stack well with others. They don't tell you which ones don't, but you just assume, okay, if it says brain flows good with the apex, then I'm going to try those. And every combination I've done has worked beautifully and they're just freaking awesome.

They're one of-- I don't know if they're still one of our sponsors, but they have run some ads. Dude, out of all the nootropics stuff I've tried, God bless the other companies, but no one's come close.

[01:03:52] Ian: I'm going to have to send you some of the new stuff because I hadn't actually really worked on making my own nootropic until now. So you'll get some in the next month or so.

[01:04:02] Luke: You might be a contender.

[01:04:03] Ian: I might contender.

[01:04:04] Luke: To that note, uh, I did actually before I got their stuff and I was I'd taken qual air pram, just different things I had laying around and I think I benefited from all those microdosing, LSD, psilocybin, whatever, uh, those things, I think of kind of his nootropics.

But your, um, neural Rx, when you started sending it to me years ago when I was back in LA and I remember we had a talk one day, and I think it was after I did my Dr. Amon Scan. 

[01:04:33] Ian: Yeah, it was. 

[01:04:34] Luke: Yeah. And I was like, oh man, there's all these areas in my brain that don't have blood flow. He wants me to do a hundred hyperbaric cambers. I got the chamber and you told me about-- I don't know how much detail you want to go into publicly, but you told me a story essentially where someone had, it was Alzheimer's or dementia, hardcore, and you wanted to solve that problem. So you made this formula started taking it.

And I thought if it'll work for that I'm just probably impaired from a lot of drugs when I was a kid, to be honest 

[01:04:59] Ian: Yeah. 

[01:04:59] Luke: and just hard living. Um, so if it helped that person, surely it's going to do something for me. And it did. It was like noticeably--

[01:05:05] Ian: Oh, yeah.

[01:05:06] Luke: I felt like I had like plaque in my brain.

[01:05:09] Ian: That's actually literally what is. 

[01:05:11] Luke: Oh, okay. I didn't know that I did, but it just felt like gummy. Here I'm doing all these things to be healthy and I'm still just like sluggish. It was annoying as hell.

[01:05:19] Ian: So that was the impetus for developing that, was to fix that one specific problem. And so there are a lot of neurodegenerative conditions that if people have them, that'll benefit them. Um, but if they don't have them, then it just seems like a really good nootropic because everybody, Alzheimer's and dementia and a lot of those things they're funny because how they function, it's not really like a disease.

My assessment is Alzheimer's isn't actually a disease, it's a protective mechanism, but it's gone on too long. So if you live to be 80, you're going to build up all these plaques, and proteins and things, because what happens is, like around your midsection, um, you've got this lacy band called the oemtum, O-E-M-T-U-M.

And if you take something that's going to alter your blood pH, you'll sequester some of that and you'll trap the acidity in the momentum. And it should be this little thin, lacy band. But in our culture, because everybody's sucking down too much carbohydrate loading, uh, way too high, you end up with this like thick, visceral, adipose tissue kind of thing.

[01:06:16] Luke: I think I have some of that.

[01:06:17] Ian: Yeah, after 15 weeks of not doing any exercise, I definitely have that myself. Um, but your brain, of course, has the same thing. So whether you have something endogenous like peach and GVAs in your mouth, or exogenous like glyphosate, when your brain gets exposed to it, it wraps it in a protein and just packs it away because it's trying to buffer your brain from getting impacted detrimentally.

So over the span of your lifetime you're going to build those little things up in those pockets and that plaque starts to build up. And you have a system called the glymphatic system, which is this little subset in your brain that only opens up for a couple of hours at night, and it basically, it washes your brain with interstitial fluid and cerebral spinal fluid. And it literally washes it and then it takes the debris out and it peruses into your lymph system and then you excrete it.

 As you get older and you have less cellular energy, your glymphatic system becomes less effective. Unfortunately, you end up with more and more plaques over time. So you're trying to basically move boulders with a garden hose and that's not going to work.

[01:07:18] Luke: Especially if you're not getting great deep sleep.

[01:07:20] Ian: Yeah. And deep 

[01:07:21] Luke: Because deep inaudible] is process. 

[01:07:22] Ian: It is. That's the problem is when you're asleep and that's supposed to be purging if you're not getting good sleep and you have a weakened system, everything is conspiring against you in the most detrimental way. So I put in proteolytic enzymes so that they would actually-- and there was really good research from Japan showing these proteolytic enzymes.

[01:07:42] Luke: You have that in there? Like syrup, pep?

[01:07:45] Ian: Yeah.

[01:07:45] Luke: Are you serious?

[01:07:46] Ian: 100%.

[01:07:47] Luke: It's funny because I take these, uh, uh, Mitolife enzymes, the interior coated ones, I take I don't know, six to 10 of those every morning on an empty stomach because 

I'm trying to get the fibrin out of my body muscles and God knows where else it is. 

But I feel as I'm getting older, I'm like getting more contracted physically. 

[01:08:06] Ian: Well, That's happening to all of us. That's the thing is we're not really escaping aging. We're slowing it down. And there are definitively some things you can do that roll it back. Like my friend Dave Sinclair has got this-- he's using a viral vector to actually roll the clock back on some things and distribute, they're using, uh, the yamen factors, um, these just different genetic factors. And they've come up with a viral vector where they can put it in and then they stimulate it using drugs and it turns on. And the problem to my way of thinking that is--

[01:08:35] Luke: I see a lot of problems already.

[01:08:36] Ian: Yeah. What's funny is if you think about it, just the outset, viral vectors are great, but they don't distribute evenly across all systems. So if you're rolling the clock back on, say your eyes, that's great because you can do a localized injection there. But if you're trying to do a system-wide thing, some systems are going to decrease overall.

It'll take load off. Your telomeres might lengthen in some areas and but it's not going to be perfectly balanced. So extrapolating on that, you might end up with a 70 year old liver and a 35 year old kidney. And not to say that's exactly the case, but it's not like that. You don't get a perfect distribution curve on that. 

[01:09:13] Luke: It's like selective anti-aging. 

[01:09:14] Ian: Yeah. I There are a lot of guys like Shia Friday's thing with the hyperbaric oxygen that they were showing H regression in that and telomere lengthening and white blood cell counts going up and a lot of really good factors. There's Greg Fahe who's doing the thymic regeneration technology. Then there's, um--

[01:09:30] Luke: Like regenerating the thymus? 

[01:09:32] Ian: Yeah. 

[01:09:33] Luke: Oh, wow. Because doesn't the thymus shrink considerably as we age?

[01:09:36] Ian: It does actually. And yeah, and Greg has rolled that back. He's a really neat cat. He's probably the world's leading expert on cryogenics in terms of he's actually figured out a system where you can freeze organs and then thaw them and reuse them.

 It's really brilliant, actually, really neat stuff. And then there's Todd Otitis who's doing like the VCE therapies and things like that and those things, if you get enough of those in your system over time, that shows age regression as well. So there's a lot of guys that are doing that, but we're all pushing back on it.

And you get the same thing with C60. Like a lot of that, it really slows the aging curve, but it's not necessarily entirely halting it. I think we're all doing a good job of it. And I can think of five or six of us who are really making some huge strides, but over time, just like your brain, you build up these plaques and proteins and it's just going to happen.

So the serapeptase is you break it into small components, then the glymphatic system can actually process those out. And so then every day when you take it, you end up with a little less debris and a little bit more flow. And then one of the things that's really different about this is it actually triggers, uh, neurogenesis.

So you actually stimulate and you're pumping out new neurons at a rate of two to three to one, as opposed to BDNF and NGF one, which are brain derived nootropic factor in neural growth factor one, which are your body's endogenous compounds to propagate new neurons. So this will trigger an outpacing of those by a factor of two or three. But--

[01:11:04] Luke: Wow.

[01:11:05] Ian: It sounds cool, but the thing that people don't realize is your brain is insanely resource consumptive. So it accounts for 2 to 3% of your body mass, but uses 20 to 25% of your oxygen. So neurons are insanely consumptive of resources. So what happens is every day you get these new neurons just from your, everybody does.

 If you do this, you get two or three times as many, but your body does the same process called synaptic pruning. If it goes in and just goes, that's great, kill them.  Because it doesn't want to have this drain on your system because it's always trying to optimize what's beneficial. So what I always tell people is, if you're doing this stuff around week three, once it's really perfused in your system and you're starting to pump out new neurons, learn something entirely new.

And what happens there is if you're putting your brain under a different cognitive load, you'll actually cement the neurons into place.

[01:11:56] Luke: Oh rad.

[01:11:56] Ian: Yeah.  And so  that's when you actually start getting some real benefit is because over time you end up with a much more robust brain   because you actually have to really push yourself. I've learned juggling and wrapping and  all sorts of things that I would not have thought that I would do.

[01:12:12] Luke: Okay, you have to wrap on the show. I'm not going to you on the spot right now, but--

[01:12:16] Ian: You know what? So one of my kids was joking with me and there was this, uh--

[01:12:20] Luke: Have you wrapped in front of your kids? 

[01:12:22] Ian: Oh, yeah. 

[01:12:22] Luke: Did they disown you?

[01:12:23] Ian: No, actually my kids were mortified at first, and there's a guy named Logic who's a rapper, and he does this song called a Hundred Miles in Running, and you can hop on my Instagram, it's @ianmitchell1.

And my kids were teasing me because I was like, that sounds insanely complex. Because verbally you have to articulate this stuff and the pacing is really difficult. I'm a jazz musician by training. So that kind of expression is really cool to me. I'm like you're trying to do something creative.

So I was like, okay, I've never done anything like that. I'll do that because verbally it's really demanding. But yeah, you can hop on my Instagram page, I'll show it to you-- 

[01:12:57] Luke: Oh my God. 

[01:12:57] Ian: Hilarious, but it's very fast and very difficult. But it was different. And at the end of it I was like, ooh, I feel a little better, but I always have to find new things to push myself. 

And because at the end of the day, hopefully I'm doing things, a lot of it is like meditation. When you go into a deep meditation, you're stimulating more than 80% of your entire cerebral cortex.

And that doesn't generally happen unless you have an orgasm that lasts more than three minutes. And unfortunately, I haven't done all hardcore tantric training to do that. And women seem to have a much easier go of having an orgasm that'll last more than three minutes, as opposed to a guy.

 Um, it was either hardcore meditation or contract training and so I did the hardcore meditation. 

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[01:13:43] Luke: Yeah. Um, you mentioned something, did you say gingivitis or something? What were you talking about?

[01:13:48] Ian: Oh, gingivalis. So when you get gingivitis, it's from a bacterium called p gingivalis, and a lot of times because of the proximity to your brain, that stuff will actually get in your bloodstream and sometimes pass the blood-brain barrier and it's inflammatory and it can cause issues.

[01:14:04] Luke: Right. So it's a bacteria in the gums that can migrate through the blood-brain barrier into the brain.

[01:14:10] Ian: And the other thing that's really profound about this is it changes insulin receptivity in your brain. And that's huge because a lot of times it's also, it's based in caprylic acid, which is the carbonate chain. So it's the ca chain, which is just one specific fraction of coconut oil, and it's the most bioavailable component.

So it goes to your liver instead of going through your normal digestive processing, hit your liver fractionate into ke bodies, and then the ke bodies move and localize in your brain. And your brain can use ketones for energy instead of just using glucose. 

[01:14:43] Luke: So you've baked in an alternate delivery mechanism as well rather than having to be processed by the GI?

[01:14:51] Ian: Right because I wanted to get everything in the brain.

[01:14:52] Luke: Uh, I wondering-- one of my questions on my list here was why do you use the C8-- what is it? Caprylic acid.

[01:15:01] Ian: Yeah, because really when you talk about MCTs, medium chain triglyceride, you've got C6, C8, C 10 C 12. C 10 and C 12 actually act as if they're long chains. It's only C6 and C8 that act as medium chains. C8 is capric, or rather, C6 is capric, which is like from Capra for goat.

And it's not the most pleasant thing to ingest ever, and it smells really weird. So C8 is far better, it's more bioavailable and you don't smell like a goat. Um, now if you're not used to processing it, and this is what I always tell people, go slow, start with like half teaspoon or a teaspoon twice a day because it will wreak havoc on your TIS.

[01:15:36] Luke: You might have to change your-- 

[01:15:37] Ian: Yes, it will wreak havoc on you, but over the span of a week, your body adapts to it.

[01:15:41] Luke: Yeah. I found I acclimated to it. Because like I said, I just drink this stuff now.

[01:15:46] Ian: I do too, but I've been using it for years and it's profound. 

 IT makes a difference. There are lots of kids that have things like-- there was  a woman who reached out and her son had a disease called Pandas or syndrome called Pandas. And he had been walking on his toes for a year. And after four days, I think it's somewhere  on the Wizard Sciences feet, after four days was the first time in a year he had actually started walking flat  putting his feet down. So it does elicits really profound changes nearly very quickly. And so  I'm actually very happy with that. 

[01:16:19] Luke: Me too.

[01:16:20] Ian: The goal is to help people and get things out there. And so I'm just using the body’s own inherent wisdom. Like caprylic acid, it takes things to the brain. Oleic acid, it's going to go through skeletal muscle.

And then there are a lot of other different types of lipids that I'm trying to do very specific things, and I want to hit certain targets.  If I want to take people with TBIs, what do you use EPADHA, because you want to be able to retool the brain. And so cod liver oil is ideal for that.

 There's certain things that you want and the body already does that you don't have to do the western approach of pharmaceuticals, where you just try and hammer it with one thing. Just let the body do what it does.

[01:17:00] Luke:  I always, um, like that perspective.  It's like you just have to stop doing the things that hurt your body and have a few inputs that help your body.

And then it's the thing that's doing it though, right? It's not oh, I healed this. It's  no, I just got out of the goddamn way and stopped being stupid and the body went, thank you and healed itself. Yeah.

[01:17:19] Ian: Yeah. And if you give it like all the right tools, you were up a couple weeks ago and I was limping around. Now I'm no longer limping.

[01:17:26] Luke: I saw no cane today.

[01:17:26] Ian: Yeah. No cane. Yeah. And so today, or tonight, we'll make 15 weeks ago that I had absolutely obliterated my leg and my femur was inside of my tibia. And it so the femoral condo, the curve on the bottom of my femur had punched through the top of the tibial condo and split my tibia six inches down. Um--

[01:17:45] Luke: In a motorcycle. 

[01:17:46] Ian: In a motorcycle wreck. Yeah. Face planning at 65 miles. 

[01:17:49] Luke: Um, I'm trying to see how the centrifugal force push the upper part of your leg bone into the lower one. 

[01:17:56] Ian: Was when I was rolling the bike, it caught sideways on the ground and popped it. And so yeah, when I was carted into the hospital, it was a skew at a very unnatural angle.

[01:18:09] Luke: Were you wearing a helmet?

[01:18:09] Ian: Yeah.

[01:18:10] Luke: Oh. Do you guys have to wear helmets there? You do. In Oklahoma. I don't think you do here in Texas. I see. 

[01:18:15] Ian: That seems like a real mistake.

[01:18:17] Luke: I see people out there ro-- it's nostalgic for me because back in my day you'd all hop in the back of the pickup truck and get hauled around or you'd ride your dirt bikes all over the place, no helmets. So--

[01:18:28] Ian: I'm glad.

[01:18:29] Luke: I do think it's dumb, but I also like that the law here says if you want to be dumb, you have that right.

[01:18:36] Ian: Yeah I think there it is, in fact required legally to do it. I would've done it either way though because I don't want to be brain dead. It's unfortunately a patch of gravel got me. So when you're driving and you're trying to turn and suddenly you realize that you're basically in a frictionless environment, you have no control.

And then pap, you start rolling. Yeah, it was, uh almost 700 pounds rolling on top of me, slamming me to the ground. It was less than thrilling. But the thing was I did stem cell injections. I used the quantum block. I did all of my nanoparticle serums. I did, um, Pimp and lasers and every modality I knew how to do.

And because initially the first day I was in there, the orthopedic surgeon said, this is a horrible break. We're going to have to put you back together with pens and plates and screws and you'll actually be able to see the metal sticking out through your skin like pressing--

[01:19:26] Luke: Terminator style.

[01:19:27] Ian: Yeah. We're not out through it, but he said that I would very clearly be able to see everything and that I might want to come back later and do something cosmetic. And I remember saying, "Really? That's the best we have. "And he said, yeah, that's, it has to be that way because it's split six inches down. And I said, yeah, I don't think I'm going to do that. So I actually got discharged and I called my staff and said, guys, go buy a hospital bed, set it up at the lab.

And we did that. I was back up at the 11 day mark and I didn't do any pins or plates or anything and I was walking at just shy of eight weeks I think I was walking and then got my all clear at nine weeks and it'll be 15 weeks tonight.

[01:20:06] Luke: You must have really pissed off the orthopedic surgeon.

[01:20:09] Ian: It was actually, it was funny, like the first week I went in, because I had been doing all this stuff and I'd been doing pimp coils every hour on the hour.

[01:20:16] Luke: What kind of a pimp unit were you using? 

[01:20:18] Ian: I was using the pulse centers. 

[01:20:20] Luke: Oh, those are strong.

[01:20:21] Ian: Yeah, they're super strong. And--

[01:20:23] Luke: Like so, strength.

[01:20:24] Ian: Yeah. And actually that's what I did is I got the veterinary version. Oh, I do because they're pricey. Like they're 40K for a unit. So I leased a unit from a veterinarian

[01:20:34] Luke: Oh, no way, that's smart.

[01:20:35] Ian: Yeah. At the OSU, uh, vet school.

[01:20:37] Luke: That's smart. Yeah. It's no accident. I don't have one of those in the house.

[01:20:41] Ian: Crazy expensive, yeah. So I made a huge difference though. So I'd do my leg where the brake was, and then my collarbone where the brake was. And at a week I went back into the orthopedic surgeon and I said, hey, look, check this out. And he said, oh, your swelling's down. You can't have any bone growth yet.

There's no radiographic change. It's because there's a decrease in inflammation. I said I'm pretty sure there's something going on there. And he said, no, it's not possible yet. And I said I'd like the X-rays. And he said, that's pointless. And I said I'm buying. So I got carted off down the hall and I did the X-rays.

And he came back in about 10 minutes later with his iPad, and he kind of looked flummoxed. And he said, do you see that? And I said, yeah. And he goes, that's a new bone. And he said, there's new bone there already. And I said, great. And he goes, huh? In his response, actually, this cracked me up. He goes, I suppose you are smarter than the average bear.

 Because in biohacking spaces, you get exposed to things. I knew that there had been a lot of people that had seen just tremendous bone growth from that. And you can stimulate bones using saunic things, electromagnetic things, electrical things. And so I was just trying to get something to get in there and really trigger the osteoblasts and really get that thing moving.

And it did. So in the span of a week. I think I sent you the pictures actually because it was so funny. Like one weekend you can see that the bone is reconnected because it went from being completely askewed to being reconnected with new bone growing.

[01:22:04] Luke: It's so crazy how the, um, what is it? Like the morphogenic field of your leg knows where the bone's supposed to be. And then even though it's not in the right place and there's all this muscle surrounding it that would theoretically keep it not in the right place. The bone on this side and the bone on this side, were like, I think we're supposed to be together. And if with the right inputs it finds itself and just the blueprint for how your bone is supposed to be structured is restored. crazy.

[01:22:35] Ian: The pitch of that was, at first it was doing great, but my right collarbone was split in half and my left tibia was punched through. So I was on crutches and I was trying to keep my leg iob, and it was a total pain to be on crutches. And so at about week two or week three, I forget what I was doing, but I recracked the collarbone. 

And that was one of those like wa, wa, wa.

[01:23:01] Luke: Oh my God. 

[01:23:02] Ian: Yeah, it's--

[01:23:03] Luke: Is that as painful as it sounds?

[01:23:04] Ian: It was actually, yeah. It was less than thrilling. I was pretty good with everything except, um, when I got pulled into the, uh, the CT scanner, the two orderlies that were, uh, loading me into the CT scanner, thought they could move me easily, and unfortunately hooked my foot, uh, on the edge of the CT scanner when they were pulling me off the gurney, and it actually popped my femur out of my tibia.

That was the first part of the resetting. There was no, we're going to reset your leg now. It was the two orderlies loading me in the CT scanner right when I got to the emergency room. And the orthopedic surgeon actually looked at it and goes, "Your femur was inside there. Did anything happen?" I'm like, yeah, something happened. Yeah.

[01:23:47] Luke: Oh my god. Um, I'm going to jump around here. So going back to the brain, we're talking about the neural RX and stuff. Um, and you talked about getting these proteolytic enzymes of sase and so on past the blood-brain barrier. 

And I've always wanted to ask someone this because I have a sense that we think of the blood-brain barrier as being like some valve that opens and closes and allows fluid in there or not. But I've heard it explained more in a, um, like an electrical sense that it's has to do with, uh, synapses and signals more so than it does a physical opening or closing of the barrier. How would you explain what it is so that people can understand?

[01:24:28] Ian: Um, I would say it's your body's safety valve to keep things that could potentially damage your brain away from your brain. And yeah, and interestingly, almost everything in the body really is more electrical or electromagnetic than it is, um, physical. People think of the heart as just this big pump.

 If you look at all of the microvasculature, it doesn't take long to realize like the amount of static pressure you'd have to create in order to cycle the blood through the entire system, the way it's going at the rate it's going, that's not viable. You'd need an enormous heart to do that.

Most of it's happening ironically. So there's an energy exchange. So the same thing applies to the blood brain barrier. There's definitely a gating function.

[01:25:14] Luke: Like the calcium gated channels of your cells with EMF?

[01:25:19] Ian: Yeah, that's it.

[01:25:20] Luke: So it has to do with the voltage changing that allows things to go in and out, not something actually physically shutting off or closing?

[01:25:27] Ian: Yeah, there's certain components, even like the tight junctions in your GI tract, like the X and the tight junctions there, all that stuff. That's why a lot of people have problems with gluten, is it disregulates that and opens up the tight junctions. And then things that should be just in your bloodstream, find their way out or through rather things that should just be in your GI tract, find their way out into the bloodstream, and then people trigger an autoimmune response because you're getting exposed to things that don't belong there and there's a lot of stuff like that. Your ocular system, your eyes are gated off from a lot of things and things do not penetrate there the same way. 

Anybody who does anything in the health and wellness space, or physiological development or work or looking at the body, if you're not constantly just in a state of awe after looking at the body, you're not paying attention, because every day, literally, it's holy shit, that is the most amazing thing.

[01:26:23] Luke: I know. I'm almost up to 500 interviews and not all of them have talked about the physical body, but, uh, quite a few have. And each person's perspective just intrigues my curiosity more and more. I don't know that I could ever get bored of just this thing that we're living in. This vehicle is just so insanely cool.

[01:26:44] Ian: Yeah. Wait, actually last year there was an image that came out of the interior of a cell and it was colored. They did shadings and gradings on it so you could actually see the different components. But just looking at the interior of one cell was amazing. Like when you look at all of the little organelles, it's beautiful. It looks like a city and there are things transiting through there.

[01:27:08] Luke: Right.

[01:27:09] Ian: It's so complex to think that degree of complexity, this is one of the things that I think is really brilliant about quantum behavior. Like you can see the things that are super small and how they cascade up to become atomic and then molecular and then larger aggregates of that.

It's the same thing, like you look at the most infinitesimally little small thing like one cell, and there's so much information that has to be occurring within that one thing. It's just huge.

[01:27:36] Luke: It's like holographic.

[01:27:37] Ian: Yeah, it is. It's funny people don't realize this about holograms. The thing that I think is the neatest about a hologram is if you recreate a hologram, um, with light, you see an image.

If you recreate a hologram with a laser that's coherent light, you get a photorealistic depiction of that thing. But it's accurate down to literally an electron. You can go all the way down to the scale of an electron and see what's happening at that particular frame. And also the other crazy part is if you shatter the holographic plate, every single component of all of the little shards of glass contains all of the information that was contained in the entire-- yeah. 

[01:28:18] Luke: I can't. 

[01:28:19] Ian: Yeah. That's mind bendingly cool.

[01:28:21] Luke: The universe is too interesting for one lifetime. Thank God we get a few of this.

[01:28:26] Ian: Yeah, no doubt.

[01:28:27] Luke: Uh, with the C60, you talked about its ability to, uh, shunt oxidative stress and free radicals. Knowing that, and hearing that from smart people like you, and knowing that, uh, one of the detrimental effects of EMF exposure is free radicals and oxidative of stress, I've always felt intuitively that taking C60 would act as internal shield to EMF. Is there any possibility of that being a reality?

[01:28:55] Ian: It is 100% a reality. A hundred percent. Yeah. There was a study done, um, with rats where they fed them C60 and then they exposed them to radiation and-- 

[01:29:05] Luke: No Wi-Fi.

[01:29:06] Ian: they were hit, eight to 11 seavers of radiation enough to kill the chunk of thorium kind of a thing that I was playing with for the gamma shielding, like real radiation that's pumping out lots of gamma rays that are going to be really detrimental and kill you, and they hummed along just fine.

[01:29:22] Luke: What?

[01:29:22] Ian: Yeah, honestly, that's why when I was playing with Ethereum, this sounds a little I'm just being flippant. I've read the studies, I've looked at it, and I didn't have any issues whatsoever. Just picking the stuff up and moving it around. I wouldn't ask anybody else in my lab to do that, but I had no concerns about it because I had seen what happened.

 And I was doing micro seavers or milliseavers rather. Um, I wasn't exposing myself to so much that it would be harmful to me because after looking at the studies that they did on mice, it was insanely protective. 

[01:29:56] Luke: Wow. Cool. That's good. I'm going to keep at it 

[01:29:59] Ian: Yeah, Yeah if there's ever a nuclear warrior, you're golden.

[01:30:02] Luke: Thank God there might be at this rate these people are insane. Uh, let me see where else I wanted to go here. Um, oh, with the deuterium depletion. So you got light water out there and, uh, this other one called, uh, proventia? 

[01:30:15] Ian: Preventer. 

[01:30:16] Luke: Preventer and-- 

[01:30:16] Ian: Preventer Lightwater. 

[01:30:17] Luke: Preventer. And I talked to Robert Slovak about light water. He's involved with them. And I said, why isn't everyone making this water? And he essentially said that you need something akin to a nuclear reactor you to get the deuterium out of this bulk water. And that's why it's so expensive is because it's rarefied.

So when you say that found a way to do it and make it much more affordable, I'm assuming you don't have a nuclear reactor in Tulsa. 

[01:30:44] Ian: No, not at all. Yeah, there are a couple of different ways that you can do it. Now, there are a couple more. Um, but yeah, before they used these huge fractionating towers 80 to 100 feet tall and they would change the cooling temperatures and then electrolytic, distill things and yeah, you can do that and sure it works.

Uh, it's funny because I actually started looking at it years ago and came up with a way to do it and tested it. Um, and then was introduced to, uh, to Bob Slovak and Victor Skov, I believe was the other fella, um, by Joe Cola because I had come up with this other way to do it. And we didn't end up doing anything together.

But I tested it because I was actually trying to get deuterium because I wanted to use it. I wanted to use the heavy water in an experiment I was doing in the lab. So I was trying to figure out how do I stuff? Yeah. Yeah.

[01:31:32] Luke: There's some kooks online, uh, if you start looking into the deuterium wormhole, uh, that claim, the benefits of drinking heavy water or deuterium rich water.

[01:31:45] Ian: I am going to say that is not accurate.

[01:31:48] Luke: That doesn't make sense, right?

[01:31:49] Ian: No, that's going to kill you. Yeah. Um, when you're younger, just a slight amount is necessary because it does fosters like an accelerated growth curve that you want when some organisms, mammals and people include in that, of course, uh you actually do want a little bit of exposure to that. So it, it propagates growth at a faster rate. But no, I'm just going to flat out say it is bad idea, guys, don't drink heavy water.

[01:32:13] Luke: There's also, uh, um, an issue I think in just public perception that some marketers have taken advantage of where in their marketing water as deuterium depleted water when it's not really classically able to be categorized as such. It's just water that's lower in deuterium than the average water like sea water, tap water that's 155. Maybe theirs is 130 or something.

[01:32:40] Ian: Icelandic water, actually. If you're not going to get deuterium depleted water-- uh, and I tell this to people who have cancer, go buy Icelandic water because of everything I've seen, it's the lowest in terms of its deuterium concentration. It's 30s.

[01:32:53] Luke: The water that we drink here, Alive waters I think is like 130 because is good spring water. But my point is this, is that from my understanding after interviewing a lot of smarty pants is about this, is that drinking low deuterium water might not add deuterium to your body to be instigated, to start depleting its inherent deuterium levels, you have to drink the depleted water.

[01:33:20] Ian: Yeah. You really want to down to 85 parts per million kind of a thing. So you trigger like a burn off of that.

[01:33:27] Luke: So I guess what I'm saying or asking is there's a difference between water that's lower than average in deuterium and technically deuterium depleted water where it's lower than any water in nature, essentially.

[01:33:39] Ian: Yeah. I don't know that there's actually anybody that's really reached like--

[01:33:42] Luke: I have.

[01:33:43] Ian: A convention, oh, the Luke Storey convention on deuterium depleted water. Yeah, the threshold is at a hundred ppm or something. And I, and that'd probably be pretty legit because below that you are going to trigger some different effects than you are above that.

But you can just find water because of what it is and because the difference in the mass, if you go higher, you don't get it. That's why glacial water doesn't have it a lot of times. Or it has a reduced rate is because it literally at higher elevations, it drops out.

[01:34:10] Luke: Yeah. Which I think is why the high altitude spring water is typically lower into high 120, 130.

[01:34:16] Ian: Above 8,500 ish feet. Yeah. You're going to get the stuff dropping out. Yeah.

[01:34:24] Luke: Yeah, I love the world of deuterium. Another interesting thing I learned from, um, oh God darn it, what was his name? It was a few years ago. Um, Laslow.

[01:34:33] Ian: Oh, Laslo Boros. 

[01:34:35] Luke: Yeah. Boros. Yeah. Um, he terrified me because he was talking about how the fat in a coconut is depleted of deuterium, but the water is where-- 

[01:34:45] Ian: is I concentrated.

[01:34:47] Luke: So basically like all fruit is full of deuterium. You can only eat meat and be keto or whatever. And I was like, oh, this is way too hard. And for a while though, I was like scared of fruit and then I just relaxed about it. But the interesting point I think was how nature takes this pervasive version of hydrogen and stores it away in carbohydrates basically.

 And it's not in fat. Hence the camel being able to survive that long on water because it's making its own metabolic water because it is very low deuterium. 

[01:35:19] Ian: Yeah.

[01:35:19] Luke: So trippy.

[01:35:20] Ian: Yeah. Well, nature in its infinite wisdom, it really is funny how it does do that, but it sequesters things that would be otherwise harmful. But have you noticed that it's almost always like this is a balance. The fat doesn't have any, it's depleted, but the water does have. Our bodies are the same way in terms of the magnetic potential.

There's some parts of paramagnetic and some are diamagnetic and it's a balanced system until it's not. If you stand barefoot on concrete, it is skewed entirely in one direction. So it drains that potential from your system. It's like a little magnet on top of a big magnet, and it actually causes cellular paralysis.

Like the bowel biology guys, the building biologist from Germany, they actually isolated that years ago and were able to show that it causes cell paralysis and does not allow the waste to cycle out of the cells if you're standing directly on concrete. So they would actually recommend cutting out squares and putting cork inlays in. So you'd be standing on something that wasn't one skewed charge. Yeah. 

[01:36:24] Luke: Wow. 

[01:36:25] Ian: It's always that both sides of the wave. That's why with all the serums, I try and figure out, okay, what can I block, but what can I accentuate? Because you're trying to elicit the biggest change and the best response. So you just take the cues from nature. 

I literally doubt if there's anything I'm ever going to do that is going to be better than what nature has already done. When I was trying to do the hyper oxygenated water and the hyper hydrogenated water and all that stuff, I figured out what everybody was doing, read all the patents that I could find about what people were doing currently.

And then I thought, okay, how would nature do it? And then I went back and built an entire system. That's the one that actually blew up. But I built a system that was mimicking what you'd find in nature to do compression rates. 

[01:37:08] Luke: Wow. And Cool. 

[01:37:09] Ian: Because it's got biomimicry. Most of the answers are already out there in nature. If you just tap in and pay attention to what it's doing, it's got a couple billionaire head start on us. So it's generally speaking a little ahead of the curve.

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[01:37:22] Luke: As someone who has a pretty good understanding of physics, from what I can gather, I want to get your take on this. I ask a lot of people this question because there are such, um, differing opinions and has to do with the practice of earthing or grounding. So if you go outside and put your bare feet on the grass or the dirt, uh, you're going to be getting this DC current into your body and you're going to be uh, offloading, um, static electricity that's built up in your body and whatnot.

Um, so it's a positive thing. So many of us, including myself, have adopted these little grounding pads. You put them under computer or sleep on grounded sheets and things like that. I've been doing it for years seems to make sense. We've evolved to be touching the earth, not disconnected by rubber tired cars and rubber sold shoes and elevated beds and so on. But after interviewing a bunch of real bright EMF guys--

[01:38:10] Ian: Yeah, there's some problems with.

[01:38:12] Luke: Okay, let me finish my thought here and then I want to get your take. The EMF guys say, duh stupid. Don't earth or ground in the presence of an electric field, because then your body becomes the ground and now you're the conduit for all of that stray electricity. What's your take on earthing and grounding?

[01:38:32] Ian: Earthing and grounding 100% do it, but don't do it where you're plugging something into the house panel. If you're going through the panel because there's a lot of things like when you're building an electrical panel. If you're actually wiring something, most houses in this country run on a two 20 system. So some are 110, some are 220, um, depending on the outlets in the house. 

But you have to, when you're actually wiring because I've wired houses before, when you're wiring those things up, you have to make sure that you get all the phasing right because electricity has a phase, and if you don't do it properly, you'll buck the phase and it's basically creating a signal. And there's an impedance in the signal.

[01:39:07] Luke: Is it dirty electricity?

[01:39:08] Ian: Yeah, and so it's similar to that. And so if you're grounding to your house panel, there's a lot of bleed off that's coming off of those things at frequencies that aren't really great for your body. And you don't want to do that. If you want to run a ground rod outside your window and jack it into the ground and run that to your mattress, golden. Do it up all.

[01:39:29] Luke: That's the way ours is. Finally.

[01:39:32] Ian: Yeah. And that's a legit way to do it. But the other way you're doing one thing because you think that there's this great beneficial effect, but you're shooting yourself in the face.

[01:39:41] Luke: So you bring up another issue, which is just currents that are going to be carried on the ground wire from your breaker box. My concern was more about just the electric fields that the 60 hertz emanating from the walls or anything that's plugged into power, and then say your headboard is against a drywalled wall with wires in that are firing 60 hertz--

[01:40:05] Ian: You're exactly right where you're headed with this, yes.

[01:40:07] Luke: So if test your skin voltage for electric fields, and it'll be really high if you're next to that wall. And then if you touch a grounding mat, it goes to zero. And so a lot of us EMF nuts years ago would see those demonstrations and think, oh, it's sick. I'm protected the EMF because look, my skin voltage went to zero, but it only went to zero because now I'm the ground.

[01:40:27] Ian: Yeah, you're pulling all of that stuff through your system and yeah, that's the problem. That's exactly that.

[01:40:33] Luke: So you agree that's not the best option. 

[01:40:36] Ian: No. Drive the grounding rod outside. Better yet, just literally go outside and lay on the ground. Go chill out in a chair and put your feet on the ground.

Do it the way we evolve to be done. And I also would be inclined to think that there's probably a whole lot to lymphatic drainage in the body based on contact with your feet on the ground.

[01:40:56] Luke: Unless you're on an atrazine golf course.

[01:40:59] Ian: Yeah, g et a bunch of glyphosate pumped up in your feet.

[01:41:04] Luke: That's the thing, man. The more you learn about this stuff I feel like boy in the bubble sometimes. Like literally if I'm at a park, I'm nervous to take my shoes off because it was probably sprayed with glyphosate and or atrazine.

[01:41:15] Ian: It's funny, uh, because like I, uh, I like a lot of the stuff I do is I try and make my body more robust and resilient so that I can be exposed to large amounts of radiation and be okay, or can be exposed to higher stress loads in normal and be okay. And my bone density, you increase the degree of trabecula, which is a little calcium channels in there so that you're actually, you have more solidity and you're physically stronger.

Um, and all those things make you more bulletproof. But my take on being bulletproof is you don't live in the bubble and hide from everything. That's not really bulletproof. Superman just moved into a cave. It'd be like man of steel. No, he's hiding. You want to make yourself resilient so that you can actually go out and take the head and be okay with it. You don't want live in a bubble, you just go engage in the real world and do your thing.

[01:42:05] Luke: I think that's a really good perspective because with all this health stuff, I've experienced at times, the neurosis of worrying about all of the threats.

[01:42:16] Ian: Oh, Christ.

[01:42:17] Luke: Is actually more detrimental than just living like a cause. I see regular people just, they don't know about any of this stuff and they seem fine for a while. I guess eventually even things you're unaware of will catch up to you. But it really is a balance I think.

[01:42:30] Ian: You were talking about pizza earlier was cracking me up. This time I'm going to do it. I'll be okay this time.

[01:42:37] Luke: When am I going to learn? When am I going to learn? It's just so goddamn. You get good pizza. I don't know if there's anything better. Sex, maybe. Come on. 

[01:42:46] Ian: Yeah, man. Uh, that's actually--

[01:42:47] Luke: And gluten free pizza? Eh, they're getting closer.

[01:42:50] Ian: Cauliflower's not too bad as a crust, but that's the thing. You get a really ACEs, there's this great pizza joint in Tulsa and I like, I order this phenomenal pizza there and I love it. I don't do it 

[01:43:02] Luke: We should go pizza tonight.

[01:43:05] Ian: 100%, man.

[01:43:06] Luke: I wouldn't even know the good pizza place in Austin because I try to stay away from it. And so when I have had it, it's like we order delivery or something and it's just some random place. It's not really that good, but I still take the hit hoping it will be.

[01:43:20] Ian: Yeah. Having not lived here in a decade, I don't know what the great places are now. I used to know where the great places were.

[01:43:25] Luke: I could test out the giant Leela block for bring it the restaurant and be like, I know this seems weird. We're just doing a thing and put, set the pizza in there for five minutes and see if I don't shit myself.

[01:43:35] Ian: I'm 100% down, man. We can go pick up Philip and bring him down for pizza and we can put it in the-- that actually would be hilarious to roll into a pizza joint with a giant 16 by 16 Leela block. I'm down.

[01:43:46] Luke: I'll do it. I've done way weirder things, most of which illegal. All right, my friend. 

[01:43:53] Ian: Hey pleasure as always. Yeah.

[01:43:55] Luke: Yeah, it's always great with you because there's no script needed. I just know that a lot of cool stuff's going to come out and you're going to share a lot of interesting wisdom and experience, so thank you for doing it.

[01:44:05] Ian: My pleasure. Thanks for having me down here.

[01:44:07] Luke: Yeah. And I know like selling things is not your motive in life. Um, you're one of the least probably to a fault salesy guys that I've brought. Thank God we have your products and I have no shame in being the guy that promotes them for you, but you've really done a great job. 

And you have a few things and they're the things that you've discovered that really move the needle. You know enough and have access to enough raw materials. You could have a product line of 50 things that are marginally effective, but I like that you're like, no, these are our things and we're only going to add new things when they're super badass.

[01:44:43] Ian: Yeah, if it really does something, like I've worked out a thing that is a topical for shingles because people have a problem with shingles pain and a couple of other things. And those I'll put out because they will help people and they're simple and really super effective.

That's cool stuff to me, really helping. But yeah, I don't want to be GNC with five gazillion different options. I would rather like really target it and say, yes, if you have this problem, this will fix it.

[01:45:12] Luke: What, aside from the shingles, uh, serum, what do you got on the pipeline that you want to share with us?

[01:45:18] Ian: So the water is cool. Uh, I really think that's great because I think actually people will really get some benefit from that. Um, and it also, when you take, you'll get more of a juice up than you would from having a really strong cup of coffee.

[01:45:34] Luke: Wow. 

[01:45:34] Ian: Yeah. It literally just provides all of the raw materials that your cells need to produce a huge volume of energy. So it's exciting. That's good. Uh, the shingles and then there's, uh, a couple of things for, as silly as it sounds like toenail fungus and some other problematic things that people have issues with, that there really weren't all that difficult to crack. Um, but they're needed. Uh, and then there are some things that I have worked at a thing for herpes simplex one that completely eliminates it, which is--

[01:46:10] Luke: Is that cold source? 

[01:46:11] Ian: Yeah. Generally, cold tours, it can either be HSV 1 or 2. Um,

[01:46:16] Luke: Oh, okay.

[01:46:16] Ian: But generally speaking it say HSV 1, oddly enough, HSV2 is a total bitch to knock out. I have not been able to do it yet. HSV1, I could completely clear it, take it out of the blood titers. There's no trace of it left. It's for all intents purposes gone. HSV2, I just kept--

[01:46:33] Luke: Is HSV2 uh, what would it Genital, herpes? 

[01:46:36] Ian: Yeah, genital herpes.

[01:46:37] Luke: There's a guy in California, he'll be on the show soon, uh, Dr. Matt Bennett, he's got a clinic down in, uh, Newport Beach and he formulated, uh, a unique kind of methylene blue wherein he does something to the effect of infusing it with, um, gold and silver.

And it's called Prexa Blue, I think is the brand name for it. And uh, I think he patented it and it's like a thing. But, um, what would be the equivalent-- let me see. It's 15 milligrams of his liquid stuff is the equivalent of 300 milligrams of just plain methyine blue.

[01:47:13] Ian: Oh, wow.

[01:47:14] Luke: And so what he does is he does IVs of that and he puts a 660 nanometer red light on the IV bag with the methylene blue in it, runs that into your vein and then runs your blood through a helu, let the blood of radiation thing and hits it with UVA, UVC and another band of, uh, 660 red light.

And they do three or four passes of that. And then puts you in a, um, three atmosphere hyperbaric chamber for a couple hours. And, uh, and I'm it's like kind of thing. They get doctors knocked off, but he's, um dealt with, uh, CONVID, uh, all, the real, whatever is. Yeah, I don't even know what it is, but people that were sick with whatever weren't anymore, uh, HIV, herpes, and Lyme and, uh, in two or three months people are cleared of it. It's gone with the combination of these IVs, with the IVs and the hyperbaric. He is got a lot data to support that. He's like oh yeah, I did this. He went to Mexico and worked with a bunch of people there and also had a situation, um, from the mitochondrial boost, uh, from the, um, methylene blue.

He had a couple situations with, uh, MMA fighters where they came out with Hulk like strength almost killed the opponent and stuff like that too.

[01:48:33] Ian: That's awesome.

[01:48:34] Luke: I got accused of doping or doing something funny. But they all they did was this methylene blue IV. Yeah, Alyson and I did when we was here. It feels freaking amazing. We didn't follow with the hyperbaric, but um, I remember when-- I never forget, we're at our friend, um, Daniel Raphael's house and I do this kind of stuff all the time. Sometimes I feel it and I felt good, but Alyson, she was getting her IV and she was looking around going, what is happening?

She goes-- I forgot what she said, something like, my mind feels like a diamond. She was just like, ding. Probably all that ATP just flooding her brain. And she was-- 

[01:49:07] Ian: I have got to check that out. That sounds fantastic.

[01:49:09] Luke: I feel amazing.

 Uh, John Lieurance does it with the IV bag. He shines the red line and then he does a 660 intravenous laser while the methylene blues running around your body's. So a little--

[01:49:20] Ian: I'm going to have to try that actually. That sounds really cool. 

[01:49:23] Luke: Super cool. The red light on the methylene blue 660 in particular is where the magic happens. And one could, I'm sure you could figure it out. I don't think Matt would be pissed. He's all for helping everyone, but I'm sure you could figure out some version of putting silver, gold, copper, some other metal that's synergistic and amplifies the effects of the methylene blue when it has those photons of light specifically shown upon it. Super cool stuff. Anyway--

[01:49:48] Ian: That is super cool. 

[01:49:48] Luke: one So one dude I've met that's like herpes is no problem. Give me two months.

[01:49:52] Ian: That's awesome. Yeah.

[01:49:53] Luke: Yeah. There you go. 

[01:49:54] Ian: I love it when people figure stuff out.

[01:49:55] Luke: I do too.

[01:49:56] Ian: It is so cool.

[01:49:56] Luke: It's the coolest and I get to talk to them.

[01:49:59] Ian: Yeah.

[01:49:59] Luke: I can't believe my life. I get to sit down as long as I want, as long as someone will listen and learn all this stuff. It's so cool. All right, man. Let's go. Uh, let's get out of here.

[01:50:08] Ian: Pleasure as always.

[01:50:09] Luke: [Inaudible] hug and uh, we'll see you real soon.

[01:50:10] Ian: All right. Peace out.

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[01:50:12] Luke: All right, family. The wizard has left the building. If you're still thirsty for more of his wisdom, make sure to go back and check out Ian's prior episodes. They're all linked in the show notes@lukestorey.com/ian, I-A-N. And if your curiosity was piqued by the unusually potent products he's developed, you can find them at lukestorey.com/wizardsciences.

And if you use the code, LUKE, you're going to save 20% off. Again, that's lukestorey.com/wizardsciences. Now on to our next episode, first, this Friday, we've got a brand new Ask Me Anything Episode where I jam on my favorite topics like spiritual and emotional healing. Then next Tuesday, we'll be back with number 467, featuring actor Adrian Grenier. Now, you might know him from his role as Vince on the show Entourage, but in this interview you're going to learn about how and why he bailed on Hollywood and became a homesteader on a ranch here in Texas.

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