[00:00:00] Luke Storey: I'm Luke Storey. For the past 22 years, I've been relentlessly committed to my deepest passion, designing the ultimate lifestyle based on the most powerful principles of spirituality, health, psychology. The Life Stylist podcast is a show dedicated to sharing my discoveries and the experts behind them with you. Robert, we've been having a conversation all morning, and every time I see you, I think, man, we should just have mics on, and it actually is true.

[00:00:34] Robert Slovak: It is true. 

[00:00:34] Luke Storey: The car right over here, everything we've been doing could be and should be documented. But here we are. The mics are on. We're live. And man, we have so much to talk about here at lovely Cuixmala.

[00:00:46] Robert Slovak: It is. I would say, too, this 75th year of my life, I'd say this is the most amazing piece of property that I have ever been in, truly. 

[00:00:57] Luke Storey: I say that all the time when I post this on social media. 

[00:01:00] Robert Slovak: I can't believe it.

[00:01:01] Luke Storey: I literally say this is my favorite place on earth and people probably think I'm just throwing that out.

[00:01:06] Robert Slovak: Yeah, your latest little fling, right? 

[00:01:08] Luke Storey: Yeah. But honestly, it doesn't get much better than this.

[00:01:11] Robert Slovak: Thirty thousand acres. I mean, I've never been in one place that was 30,000 acres, except maybe Denver Airport.

[00:01:20] Luke Storey: Right. Yeah. We'll talk about the underground bases later.

[00:01:23] Robert Slovak: Yeah, exactly.

[00:01:24] Luke Storey: But yeah, that's what's funny. We were talking on the way over here from the casitas and when you think about moving into a property or buying a property, as I said, I've been wanting to get out of the city, and I'm looking at properties, I think I have my real estate minimum at two acres. And I think, man, if I had two acres after living in LA for 30 years, two acres is palatial. And if I find one in Idaho or something that's got five to 10 acres, I'm like, oh my God, that's like having your own estate. And then, you come here and you realize the magnitude of 1,000 acres, let alone 30,000 of pristine jungle.

[00:01:58] Robert Slovak: Thirty thousand, where there is every species of animal we could dream of, including crocodiles and zebras. Okay. 

[00:02:07] Luke Storey: Yeah, it's insane.

[00:02:08] Robert Slovak: It's insane.

[00:02:09] Luke Storey: So, this is definitely the nicest set I've ever had on video and one of the interviews I'm most excited to have. So, as we were discussing prior to the official recording, there's so many different directions we could go here. What are you, 75, you said?

[00:02:24] Robert Slovak: Yeah. 

[00:02:25] Luke Storey: I was at your 75th birthday party recently, actually. And we could record for 10 hours. So, picking what to start with is challenging, but I think because the element that I'm most closely related to and just value so highly and deeply is water as we sit here on the Pacific Coast. So, let's start with water. If you could give me kind of a truncated history of how you got involved in the industry, filtration, et cetera, and then we'll go into a bit more of the esoteric topics around water.

[00:03:01] Robert Slovak: Well, water is my thing for 50 years. And I was trained as aeronautical and astronomical engineer, that's my education, and was shuttled off to the military industrial complex to solve some Minuteman-III problems, the missile of America, and soon became kind of disenchanted with that endeavor and discovered membrane separation. Okay. It was something that a chemical engineer said, Robert, you're at the right time, the right age to look at this new up-and-coming technology, membrane separation, which includes, among other things, reverse osmosis.

[00:03:46] My brother and I both, we worked together for 50 years as phenomenal partners. Okay. And well, we really liked this, and it's at the beginning. So, we set up a laboratory in our condominium in Corona del Mar, California, and we went to work, and really became probably the most well-known guys in promoting, how do you use this technology? What can you do with it? I mean, we had reverse osmosis membranes hanging from our shower stall. It was this hokey in a way, but we did much of the development.

[00:04:27] And then, by the late '70s, we had absorbed and learned so much information. We went around the United States and gave classes to the water industry to introduce them to this technology they were just beginning to hear about in the magazines. So, we gave classes that went for two to three days. And we thought, really, the nation of the water industry, what this was all about and its capabilities. But reverse osmosis can separate anything from water. So, it can separate virtually any contaminant category with a few exceptions.

[00:05:08] It can separate the water from fresh orange juice. And that's how they make the concentrated orange juice or any concentrated orange juice that you might buy in the store, whether it's pomegranate juice or tart cherry juice. It's all separated by membrane separation. Because it can remove all the minerals from water, the water will not leave spots. Okay. And this was a shock. My brother and I created the concept of spot-free rinse, one of our funnest things that we did. 

[00:05:44] Luke Storey: Really?

[00:05:44] Robert Slovak: Yeah. And I don't know if you've ever been to a self-served car wash, and one of the selections at the end is spot free. You may not have or you may have gone through one of the big car washes that says spot free, and at the end, they just flood it with reverse osmosis water so that when it dries-

[00:06:07] Luke Storey: That's funny. I never knew that. 

[00:06:10] Robert Slovak:... it doesn't leave spots, and you don't have to wipe it down so carefully or whatever, or you can just drive away, and the water goes away, and doesn't leave spots. And it was so much fun the first-

[00:06:21] Luke Storey: I'm going to interrupt. It's funny that you just mentioned Corona del Mar and the spot free. 

[00:06:25] Robert Slovak: Oh, tell me. 

[00:06:25] Luke Storey: A week ago, I went to the health food store there on the way back from San Diego and drove through a car wash, the spot free car wash in Corona del Mar. I swear to God. So, there you go. Anyway, I digress.

[00:06:38] Robert Slovak: We are connected. So, I remember the first international car wash association show where we were going to divulge this information and show what we had. I remember it was in Las Vegas, big deal, and I had a speaking spot. And three people showed up for my talk, okay, because of the simple reason that no one believed that water could not inherently leave spots. It was a fascinating awareness we didn't even have. The average person just thinks, hey, water leave spots.

[00:07:14] Don't ask me what it is, but water leaves spots. But it's not true. Water doesn't leave spots that it only leaves spots because there's minerals left in it. And I don't know if you know that RO water is treated, and it rinses the silicon wafers of when they make microcircuits, and print them on silicon wafers. I don't know if you know this. It has to be the cleanest surface in the world because like a few atoms will disturb a microcircuit. So, RO is involved in that level of what is called ultra pure water.

[00:07:52] So, three people show up for my talk, people were patting me on the back, yeah, that's good, water that doesn't leave spots. Okay. No, no, really. So, three people showed up and those three people actually were convinced and bought spot-free systems. And then, the next car wash show, because it's a very close-knit organization, they told others, and then it was standing room only the next year's talk, and then it became a real industry of spot-free rinse. They spot-free rinse trucks on the highway, trains. 

[00:08:28] I mean, it just makes it much cheaper. So, that was one of our funnest endeavors with water. And then, we made water for printing, water for dialysis. All of these things use membrane separation, such as reverse osmosis to make the water clean enough. But probably, our most common product was making RO drinking water systems. And we first made systems that literally hooked up to your faucet, went on the counter, and fill the little plastic tank, and made bottled water. 

[00:09:01] That's how we thought of it. You don't have to have bottles. And then, once we got a little more sophisticated in the mid-'70s, we made an under-sink reverse osmosis system and that under-sink reverse osmosis system had a tank, a sealed tank, and that had a bladder in it with air. So, when the RO membrane filled that tank, it filled it and compressed the air. And then, when you opened your faucet, the compressed air forced it to the faucet. Okay. So, this went on.

[00:09:35] This became famous. We made this for many large companies and we were the largest producer, our company, for decades. Now, membrane development in the beginning days, a membrane—and actually, when we were in San Diego, I've carried a membrane with me for probably a-year-and-a-half, always hoping I'm going to unroll it because it is amazing to see a membrane unroll. It just looks like a cylinder. But then, when you open it up, it's just like another world of stuff in there.

[00:10:14] And I just opened it up last weekend, and then you can't open it again, you just throw it away. And it would have been fun to show people what a reverse osmosis, but maybe next time. So, this membrane made five gallons a day. And this is very important for your audience, because many of them, I'd say 50% of your audience may have an under-sink reverse osmosis system. And this is an important message, an alert even. So, membranes made five gallons a day and people ran out of water.

[00:10:51] And nothing was better because you always made fresh water. So, that's five gallons a day, then membranes went to 10 gallons a day, and then 12, and 15, and 24, then 35. And it was done because they could. They were inventing new membranes that water would go through so quickly, and it was great, but it wasn't great for that application. Now, if you go to Home Depot, buying RO system, Costco, buy it, call the local dealer, your membrane will make between 50 and 75 gallons a day, but you and your family are going to use less than three.

[00:11:32] So, that tank that's filling up, it will never get emptied. It will never get emptied for days, weeks, months, and even years. It will have water in it, the same water, at some portion of it. This becomes a microbial incubator. And now that we have more chronic disease, more gut dysbiosis, more health problems than ever before, this is incompatible. Your body cannot process this amount of bacteria. Now, I don't know if you know that you have a tremendous protection system against microbes, pathogenic microbes in your body.

[00:12:15] It's called the stomach. The stomach's pH of 1 to 3 will inactivate virtually all bacteria, most viruses. The only thing it might not get, especially if you had compromised gut acid or stomach acid, might be the third category of microbes, pathogens called amoebic dysentery or protozoan cysts. Okay. These are organisms that are more parasites. And when they're challenged, when their life is challenged, they can close up into a cyst form that's like an army tank.

[00:12:59] Okay. Nothing's going to disrupt it. Nothing's going to kill it. Chlorine isn't going to oxidize it, even though ultraviolet does get it, which we'll talk about. Okay. So, it closes up until it finds a nice place in your intestines or your microbiome. And then, it goes through, and it starts to grow, multiply, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And it's one of the most difficult things to get rid of. You've heard of giardia? They often call it camper's disease because you can go to the most pristine stream, and drink it, and go, oh, this is fantastic water.

[00:13:40] But because there are animals in nature and protozoan cyst commonly exists in the intestines of small animals, squirrels, foxes, rabbits, the whole thing. This, they can deposit in a stream, giardia, cryptosporidium, et cetera, this protozoan cyst, and you drink it, the water tastes fine, but it can have these organisms, and it doesn't take a lot, but it does take a lot to get rid of them. So, this organism cannot be killed by your stomach acid. Well, children, infants, and the elderly don't make a lot of stomach acid and they don't inactivate the bacteria and the viruses. 

[00:14:33] So, you can get sick from even water that isn't even pathogens, it's just too much bacteria. You see, even organisms that aren't considered pathogens, if they're in high enough numbers, we identify them with a special word called opportunistic organism, meaning they're going to take advantage of some weak thing in your body, because there's so many of them, and they just go, let's go for it. So, the water in an RO tank can become so microbially rich that especially a child with autism, with a gut dysbiosis, defective microbiome, he will never get better. 

[00:15:16] And the parents are lovingly giving him their RO water from under the sink. So, the first time I spoke at a autism conference probably eight years ago, I had to tell the mothers in the audience, you cannot give your child this RO water from your under-sink storage tank because it is going to make them sick and keep them sick. So, it was a shock, really, the world. And people like alarmed, I can't, what do I have to do? We just paid $800 for one of these. I said, here's what you have to do.

[00:15:53] You have to drain that tank every day. You have to make it make new water every day. And for your child, if he has serious gut dysbiosis, you have to further disinfect that water because it won't be enough for some children. And then, I introduce them, I hope we're not going through this too quickly, but I introduce them something, they said, what, we have to disinfect the water? Yes. Here's the easiest way I know of doing it. This is a product called the SteriPEN. You can buy it anywhere, camping stores, Amazon. It's less than $70.

[00:16:31] Luke Storey: The SteriPEN. For those of you listening to this podcast, there's going to be a lot of things talked about that have visual representation, so I'm going to recommend that people watch this on YouTube or on my website also.

[00:16:41] Robert Slovak: So, just for a glass of water the mother just drew from an RO system, you put that in. 

[00:16:48] Luke Storey: So, I'm going to describe what we're seeing here. It looks sort of like a giant thermometer and it's got a tube of blue light, like a neon light, maybe two inches long that goes into the water, which is producing this. Is that UV A and B or UV—or one of them? 

[00:17:07] Robert Slovak: This is 254-nanometer UV. This is the germicidal UV.

[00:17:12] Luke Storey: Got it.

[00:17:13] Robert Slovak: Okay.

[00:17:14] Luke Storey: So, basically, looks like a handheld light saber that he's twirling around in the water. Now, Robert, how long-

[00:17:19] Robert Slovak: Well, it will go off automatically. It will know because it's about 30 seconds, 45 seconds. This will inactivate any known bacterial species. Not just bacteria and virus, but this will actually inactivate the protozoan cysts. Okay. So, this is great for camping. This is great for, you buy a bottle of water in India, you don't know where it's from, so you always use. That's it. You're done.

[00:17:45] Luke Storey: Wow. Okay. So, on the water filtration thing here, now, I've done, for those listening that have listened to the show for a while, they'll know I did some six-odd hours, it's called, The Water Wars. It's a trilogy podcast I did about three years ago, because since most of your body is made of water, this is the way I always describe it, okay, when a body is cremated, what's left, a little jug of carbon, basically, right? 

[00:18:12] Robert Slovak: Let's say, mostly, there's definitely carbon. but some of it turns to carbon dioxide in the burning process more than you would think. But mostly, it's the periodic table of the elements, whatever you got of it in your lifetime. Minerals.

[00:18:29] Luke Storey: So, you have this bottle of ash, right?

[00:18:31] Robert Slovak: Yes.

[00:18:31] Luke Storey: And then, I think, well, where does the rest of you go? The rest of you was the water part that's evaporated by the fire, am I correct in that? 

[00:18:40] Robert Slovak: 100%. 

[00:18:40] Luke Storey: Okay. The other thing is-

[00:18:41] Robert Slovak: And how much was that of your body, the water?

[00:18:45] Luke Storey: Well, I hear anywhere between 70% and 90%-something is the common-. 

[00:18:50] Robert Slovak: Well, I mean, as an adult, you and I are between 60% and 70%. A fetus is about 98%. Okay. But if we look at it from a different perspective, that's by weight. So, 65% of you is water by weight. But if we were to just do an experiment, and we said, let's add up each type of molecule in the body, each type of substance, how many molecules of fat do you have? You tally them. How many molecules of carbohydrates do you have? You tally them. How many molecules of water do you have? And go down the line, calcium carbonate from bones, and so on, and so on. At the tally, you will add up and you will go, my God, 98.8% of the molecules that make up the body are water. 98.8%. You're a sack of water. 

[00:19:46] Luke Storey: That furthers my passion and interest about the topic of water, because I think in the couple of decades I've been in the alternative health and healing space, there's so much consideration given to what we eat. And I think it's obviously important, glyphosate, GMOs, aspartame, all the nasties. Like we definitely want to get rid of that. But at the end of the day, to me, the water is one of the most important. And then, of course, light and EMF, which we'll hopefully get into. 

[00:20:13] But anyway, so that's why I've devoted so many shows to water. But even that wasn't enough. It's no accident that when we seek to leave this planet and go somewhere else, what do we look for first? Water. I mean, it's the basis of all life. You know this. But this is why I've been so fascinated with it. And also, not only for drinking, but I'm just someone who just loves being near bodies of water. And I'm obsessed with hot springs. Every creek I ever see, I jump in, if it looks remotely clean. I mean, I'm just like so drawn to water for whatever reason.

[00:20:46] Robert Slovak: Yes, I'd say we all are.

[00:20:49] Luke Storey: And it's funny. I was just looking at some real estate listings today. And in many real estate listings, in the main thumbnail photo is just a picture of the pool, and it's a really nice house. They show the pool. And I thought, isn't that interesting? That's what's going to sell people, is just being near a small manufactured body of water. There's something about it that we are attracted to. And so, I'm just fascinated by it. But I want to jump back to the filtration things. I think this is so confusing to people. Personally, the water that I feel best drinking is high-altitude, low-mineral spring water. I get this water from a company called Live Spring Water. They deliver it from Oregon to all around California in glass bottles.

[00:21:33] Robert Slovak: I know them. And they make very beautiful glass containers. 

[00:21:36] Luke Storey: Yeah, they've got the flower of life geometry on it.

[00:21:39] Robert Slovak: And I use that from my own water purifier. I fill that with some relevant gems and I put it in the early morning sun.

[00:21:49] Luke Storey: Got it. Okay. So, I'm coming from, a good source of spring water is the optimal water, but many people don't have the access because they live in a low-altitude area or they just can't get it together. They live in the desert or who knows what. So, people are really asking me all the time about the best filters, and there are two companies that I found that seem to be doing it right. One is PristineHydro and the other one's Ophora Water.

[00:22:15] I don't have the Ophora system. I do have the PristineHydro system, which I don't really drink unless I run out of my spring water because I'm very fortunate in that way. What can people do if they're in a place where their only option is municipal water that's obviously toxic, and has fluoride, and all these other chemicals in it? What can one do to safely filter their water? Would they have to run the UV to get rid of any of that bacteria that-

[00:22:45] Robert Slovak: You're just hitting the right questions. So, because I am not for a reverse osmosis system mated to a sealed tank for the reasons we just covered, that would eliminate that PristineHydro. Okay. And I do believe they may make a countertop, the elaborate kind of thing, not very user friendly, but it's-

[00:23:14] Luke Storey: Yeah, it's their travel model, it comes in a little suitcase.

[00:23:16] Robert Slovak: That's right. The PristineHydro is a very antiquated design. Okay. And I hope I'm not raining on anyone's parade. I'm just saying it like it is.

[00:23:26] Luke Storey: No, I'm for honesty and free expression.

[00:23:27] Robert Slovak: Okay. And another thing is, and all of this is done to sell the consumer. So, everybody knows that reverse osmosis and distillation. And let me just back up, the only two technologies that are capable of removing or reducing every category of chemical is distillation plus activated carbon and reverse osmosis plus activated carbon. Never forget this. That's your guideline. For your audience, do not stray from these two restrictions. Both are valid. Distillation plus activated carbon has not been a popular consumer product.

[00:24:16] You have to clean it. It costs a lot of energy and so on. But it's excellent way of purifying and getting rid of the contaminants from water. And there are hundreds of contaminants that could be in water. It's not in all water. Let's say a typical municipal water supply might have five to seven contaminants you absolutely must get rid of. Okay. But there are hundreds that can be in a water supply. The EPA has a list called maximum contaminant levels for, let's say, 70 to 100 contaminants, but there are hundreds more that if Congress—Congress is the entity that says, we were going to add this contaminant to the standard, they decide. 

[00:25:11] But if they were to add all of the contaminants that could be in water, like there are some places in America that have pesticides that aren't regulated. If you did that for everybody, no one could afford the tap water. Okay. The process would become so expensive, you wouldn't be buying a thousand gallons for $4, you would be paying $40. So, it's out of the question. So, you do have to have some protection of your own. Now, part of the problem is that if you're making municipal water, what percentage of that are you actually ingesting?

[00:25:51] Less than 1%. So, it's not practical to treat the other 99% to a high standard just so you don't get it in the part you drink. That's why point of use, POU water treatment makes the most economic and practical sense, and that's having a filter of some kind in your house. So, we said, that filter should be distillation plus activated carbon or reverse osmosis plus activated carbon. It's easier to choose a distiller because it's simpler.

[00:26:29] Luke Storey: And do distillers have this issue with the bacteria formation?

[00:26:33] Robert Slovak: Zero.

[00:26:33] Luke Storey: There's no tank that's like a holding tank.

[00:26:35] Robert Slovak: No tank. 

[00:26:35] Luke Storey: Okay. 

[00:26:36] Robert Slovak: There are distillers that do have tanks, larger ones for homes and you have tanks, but they're much easier to clean and access, and you can just actually pour something in the tank, hydrogen peroxide, a little capful, done. But with an RO sealed tank, you can't, and that's the problem. And what happens is I wrote the book on the maintenance, installation the industry asked me to of reverse osmosis systems. And I put in there, the only thing I wrote twice, meaning I repeated it from the beginning and I repeated it at the end, you must sanitize the tank before it's installed, I mean, this is the best that you can do, and every time you change the filters. 

[00:27:25] What percentage of the industry do I think embrace that? Well, under 10%. So, everybody is just getting an RO system, put it in, no one's thinking it could become a bacterial incubator. So, that isn't the way to go. Anybody has a storage tank, forget it. Another big flaw that's very appealing to the consumer is we have a cartridge that adds minerals to the water. Okay. Everybody knows that distillation removes minerals, reverse osmosis removes minerals.

[00:27:58] Now, practically speaking, the variation of all the public water supplies is so great in minerals, you never could say, you got to leave the minerals in. Okay. There's not a lot and there's not many of the best ones. And it's not just minerals. Everybody talks about minerals, but hardly anybody mentions or is aware of the trace elements. There may be 10 primary minerals that you all know, calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, potassium, iron, et cetera, sodium, but there are 70 trace elements and no one talks about it. 

[00:28:37] Where are they coming from? You couldn't find them in 90% of the water supplies because it's not in there. You have to get them from your food. And this was brought to our attention brilliantly by Professor August Dunning, CalTech professor, emeritus, astrophysicist, who figured out years ago, hey, there's a direct relationship from 1900 to present between the loss of minerals and trace elements with the increase of chronic disease. He plotted it. Your audience must see Habitat Crisis. It's brilliant.

[00:29:21] Luke Storey: It's a video.

[00:29:21] Robert Slovak: It's a video. It's a PowerPoint presentation. It's many forms. 

[00:29:27] Luke Storey: Habitat Crisis, and name the gentlemen again. 

[00:29:30] Robert Slovak: Professor August Dunning.

[00:29:32] Luke Storey: Okay. Cool. We'll link that in the show notes.

[00:29:35] Robert Slovak: Absolutely. It's really priceless and very convincing. And so, he says, how are we going to fix this? And his conclusion was, it must be fixed for humanity for all time. But how do you do it? He says, well, how do we get there? Mechanized farming, starting in maybe the late 1800s, early 1900s. Use of chemical fertilizers, nitrogen, phosphorus. The use of pesticides, herbicides, glyphosate, all of that DDT, et cetera. 

[00:30:18] And then, the use of recycled water, okay, which has a lot of contaminants in it. Not good. So, he said, the only practical way that you can change this is to add seawater to the land. Now, what is sea water? Now, this is a question I've asked all the doctor audiences. In 16 years, no one has answered this correctly. I said, what is sea water, everybody? Oh, they give me a lot of little parts of it. 

[00:30:59] Luke Storey: What's the common answer, it's this water with a lot of salt in it?

[00:31:01] Robert Slovak: Yeah, that was about the best that was done, water with a lot of salt. But it's the only solution in the solar system that contains the entire periodic table of the elements, you understand? And the periodic table of the elements is what the entire universe is made out of. So, if you can like invoke the God thing, it's like God directed the formation of Earth, the fact that it got covered with water from water delivered by comets and by water that was made in the crust from chemical reactions, your primal water.

[00:31:44] These elements, if you were trying to like create this new thing called life, you'd give it everything you had. And the periodic table is everything you have. And when it dissolves to specific solubilities in the water that was brought by the comets, you create a solution, a unique solution called sea water. And so, life began shortly after the earth became covered with water from the ice in comets. It was bombarded for millions of years continuously. So, it delivered a lot of water and it covered the earth with water, a truly blue planet. 

[00:32:31] And the crust of the earth, which contained all the elements of the periodic table, just solubilized in the water. To each element has its own solubility, right? A unique solubility, depending upon its atomic structure, chemical nature, et cetera. So, you have a solution of this unique set of the periodic table, and bingo, once that occurred, we call it the primordial ocean. The body of water that actually gave rise, offered the properties in which life, multicellular life began.

[00:33:09] It used a little maybe gases from the vents coming from the volcanic. It used some of the gaseous atmosphere. I'm sure cosmic rays, photons from the sun came into play. But life, bingo, we get something called prokaryotic life, the first cells. And then, life started to evolve from those cells. And there are five kingdoms of life that include microorganisms, algae forms, animals, plants, and fungus. Those are the species of life. And all of those formed from those initial cells.

[00:33:52] At a certain point, they took on something that was also an organism that was created that was like mitochondria and that had a unique energy, capability in creating energy and some of those other organisms envelop those mitochondria. And so, we're going to use this, and that is the origin of mitochondria, and that's when another level of cells called prokaryotes were created. And then, I ask my audience of doctors, okay, so we had life form 3.8 billion years ago, then it started to evolve. 

[00:34:30] But how long did it stay in the ocean during evolution? No one comes close. Millions of years, 10 million years, 100 million years. And they're like pushing it. Two-and-a-half billion years, life was only in the ocean. Can you imagine any project going on for two-and-a-half billion years in a constant environment, what impact that environment must have on its design of what was going on in there, the evolutionary design, the evolutionary structure, and the evolutionary function? 

[00:35:06] It was simply everything. And then, about 400 million years ago, life left the ocean. Plant life first, then animal life, and seeking a terrestrial existence or whatever reason. And then, that life had to do without this magnificent environment. It just chose to be in for two-and-a-half billion years. So, that was a special environment. So, nothing influences you then and nothing influences you now more than water itself with the periodic table in it.

[00:35:47] And that was the conclusion of August Dunning, who started a company that makes sea water fertilizer. And you really have to see his argument. But until that is spread throughout the lands of the world, which will take hundreds, maybe a thousand years, I had embraced just by sheer accident and serendipity while I was doing water research in Brazil, I discovered the product I'm most known for, and that's Quinton marine plasma, which you know well.

[00:36:21] Luke Storey: Oh, man, I'm on this stuff every day. So, those watching on video, we're looking at these little ampules that are maybe the size of your pinky, and they're glass, and you break off one end, and hold it up to your mouth, and you break off the other end and you just shoot it down and it tastes just like that, this tastes like salt water. 

[00:36:44] Robert Slovak: And there are two kinds there.

[00:36:45] Luke Storey: Yeah. And so, I want to get the difference between the hypertonic and the isotonic, because I've always wondered that and I just fluctuate between both of them or just take both.

[00:36:54] Robert Slovak: Quinton did not start out—first, it's called Quinton. That's the French pronunciations after the revolutionary biologist of the late 1800s, Rene Quinton. He was a student of Darwin. He was a believer in the bio terrain. He was against Pasteur's germ theory. He aligned himself with Claude Bernard, the real physiologist of the day. And some of your audience may know that there was like a battle of the germ theory versus the terrain theory.

[00:37:29] Luke Storey: There is right now.

[00:37:30] Robert Slovak: And there is now, right. So, the germ theory guys like Pasteur and his backers called the early pharmaceutical industry, said, the reason you get sick are because there are like germs. Okay. And we need to develop stuff that kill the germs and the viruses. 

[00:37:47] Luke Storey: Including viruses, yeah.

[00:37:48] Robert Slovak: And Claude Bernard, Antoine Bechamp, and Rene Quinton said, uh-uh, these organisms are always in your environment. They're always in you. Maybe not all of them at the same time, but they're always with us. It's the status of your terrain that allows them to manifest themselves in you as disease or you overcome it. And that battle was won by Pasteur, who recanted, it is said, at the end, like near-death, he said, well, it's the terrain. It isn't the germ. So, nevertheless, since that time, we became victims of living in the world of germ disease, that was it. 

[00:38:44] Kill the germs, give you chemicals, et cetera. And the thinking of improve your terrain, meaning improve the capabilities of your body to develop the immune system, et cetera, you don't need it because we have some drugs. We'll take care of it. And that remains to this day. And off of that, we had naturopaths come out who these special different medical disciplines reflect that, hey, it is about the terrain. And now, we're faced with an interesting situation in which, more than ever, and I think year in my life, that the terrain must be understood, and developed, and it ain't the germ or the virus. So, this product came out in 1897.

[00:39:37] Luke Storey: Oh, it's been around that long? That's wild.

[00:39:40] Robert Slovak: How dare you not know that, knowing me?

[00:39:42] Luke Storey: I think I first saw it maybe in the early 2000s, so I figured out, ah, it must to come out of the '90s.

[00:39:48] Robert Slovak: Yeah. So, this product here came out in 1897 just like that. And they made them actually much larger as well. And it wasn't thought of as, oh, you need minerals and trace elements because farming hadn't degraded by then. There was no mechanized farming in 1897, really. And there was no pesticides, no chemical fertilizers. So, people were much more healthy. So, this came out, one, as a proof by Rene Quinton, who wrote a treatise in 1904 called L'eau du Mer, Milieu Organique, which means the water of the ocean is the same as your milieu, which is the fluids in your body. 

[00:40:35] In fact, Rene Quinton said, the only way life could have left the Dead Sea was to take the sea with it. And if you analyze sea water, it's virtually—and we just take a gross look at the 10 major electrolytes that are, of course, the most essential in your blood, they're exactly in the same proportions as seawater. Bingo. What? How come nobody told us this? And entire room of doctors, you can't be serious, when I showed them the analysis.

[00:41:10] Luke Storey: That's crazy.

[00:41:11] Robert Slovak: That's crazy. So, what does that mean? That means that, now, the ocean became more concentrated over time in billions of years because we had the hydrologic cycle, and we were taking minerals from the earth and depositing them in the sea through the hydrologic cycle. Okay. You evaporate water, you condense it, it rains and snows over land, and it rushes back to the sea, and you erode the land. So, it went from actually the primordial ocean, which was likely isotonic. 

[00:41:51] Isotonic, for those of you chemists out there, it's .9% of the elements of the periodic table in water. And hypertonic, that the modern ocean is 3.3% percent. So, our blood is also .9%. That's the saline solution you might get in the hospital. And so, Quinton made this. He diluted the ocean. He harvested this from a very special place called a plankton bloom. This is critical. How he knew this, nobody really knows. But he chose a place, again, how he knew, I don't know, that was most like the primordial conditions.

[00:42:44] It was very rich in phyto and zooplankton. And it forms something that is the greatest biochemical reactor on the planet, called the plankton bloom. And within a plankton bloom, you have this constant living activity of both the zooplankton, which you might call like phytoplankton or algae. And the zooplankton, they live separated by hundreds of feet. And the zooplankton, you would know as there's hundreds of them. Krill would be a typical microscopic phytoplankton. 

[00:43:19] And the krill ascend into the phytoplankton like cows going to pasture, they consume it, and all of this chemical reaction is occurring between these two species and they are forming in between in this space called the zone of biocenosis. And these plankton blooms that exist naturally in the ocean are self-purifying. So, when people ask me, well, geez, isn't the ocean, its typical question, polluted? I'm going, not in a plankton bloom. It's the purest substance in the planet. It self-purifies itself with the organisms, et cetera. It's very complicated. And the plankton blooms are regulated by—they are watched 24 hours a day. They're monitored by boat, buoy, the whole thing. Special instruments are in the plankton blooms.

[00:44:14] Luke Storey: So, there's like an environmental protection-. 

[00:44:15] Robert Slovak: No, more than you can guess because they make 65% of the oxygen on the planet. Okay. So, they know that the fastest way to destroy the planet would be to take down the plankton blooms, so they are monitored constantly by the world's oceanographic institutes. And have ever met anybody who even heard the word plankton bloom? Okay. And they don't want you to know. Okay. It's like a nicely kept secret, how important they are. So, Quinton knew this instinctively and they harvested the water from 100 feet down, and this was the water it harvested, the hypertonic, it's called, pure seawater. And he treated this in a very special way, using Swiss ceramic microfiltration to remove all of the organisms that were in it. He only wanted the juice. 

[00:45:21] Luke Storey: Oh, interesting, because there would be microorganisms present in the water.

[00:45:27] Robert Slovak: Millions. He only wanted the juice. And he filtered them out, and then he said, I want to do an experiment and I'm going to show how compatible seawater is with life. And he took it and he diluted the seawater, the hypertonic, to the concentration of your blood plasma, okay, which is isotonic, hypertonic, isotonic. And in 1904 before the medical elite of Europe, he transfused the whole blood of six canine animals, better known as dogs, mostly stray dogs they took, he transfused them with this isotonic seawater, the whole blood now, do you understand what I'm saying? The whole blood.

[00:46:17] Luke Storey: So, all the blood out of the dog and the isotonic solution in the place of the blood.

[00:46:23] Robert Slovak: Yes.

[00:46:24] Luke Storey: Tell me the dogs lived.

[00:46:27] Robert Slovak: All survived and thrived. I mean, among physiologists, this is well known. And it was written up in a 500-page treatise called L'eau De Mer, Milieu Organique, that in fact, water of the ocean is the same as your milieu, and I just, as Rene Quinton, just proved it to you. This experiment has been done many times, again, most recently, within the last two years, one by the Mt. Sinai Blood Institute in New Jersey and one by another blood institute in Spain. And they showed that they took a pig and they exposed it to hemorrhagic shock, which is cutting something that a lot of blood comes out, and then they tried to save the pig. 

[00:47:30] And this product right here outperformed whole blood in the recovery of the pig from hemorrhagic shock. Okay. Now, this product, and I hope nobody in the regulatory agency is listening to me, will outperform any saline solution that is Morton salt in water with an isotonic concentration. This has all the elements of the periodic table and it's incredibly supportive of healing and the replacement, because this is the fluid you're supposed to have. And you can't create this in the body from your food anymore because it isn't in the food anymore. 

[00:48:25] Luke Storey: Because it is not in the soil anymore.

[00:48:26] Robert Slovak: That was the plan, because it's not in the soil anymore. That was the plan of nature.

[00:48:31] Luke Storey: So, when more of the surface of the earth was covered by oceans, and then that ocean receded over billions of years, the deposits of these elements of the periodic table were left in the soil.

[00:48:49] Robert Slovak: Don't think of the ocean receding like as in evaporation, think of the land emerging from geophysical in that ocean.

[00:48:58] Luke Storey: Got it. And then, the ocean runs off and forms what we now know as our modern oceans.

[00:49:04] Robert Slovak: Yeah, some was captured inland. There's a number of huge, like the one we would know, the Great Salt Lake is part of the original ocean that was captured.

[00:49:12] Luke Storey: Yeah. So, inherently, throughout the earth, these elements were in the soil and have been depleted over time through natural erosion that I'm assuming with the advent of modern industrialized agriculture, where we've just depleted the soil, use it over and over again until it's all gone.

[00:49:31] Robert Slovak: You've nailed it.

[00:49:32] Luke Storey: So, no matter how much organic produce you're getting at Whole Foods, you're not getting what would have naturally been present in the food because it was present in the soil.

[00:49:41] Robert Slovak: And also, to point to something you said, you said you preferred spring water, you said you preferred a low level of minerals in them. Okay. Good, because really, our taste buds seem to like that better unless some reason you need mineral waters. Okay. But the fact is, I don't care what bottled water someone tells me they use. Okay. I don't care if it's Mountain Valley. I don't care if it's—what is yours? The Living Spring Water? 

[00:50:15] Luke Storey: Live Spring Water, yeah.

[00:50:15] Robert Slovak: Live Spring Water. I just tell people, great, they're great waters, but can I tell you how to have that water function better for you as it was intended? Add the periodic table to it. I don't care whether you-

[00:50:30] Luke Storey: So, my water's coming at two-and-a-half gallon, a glass jug. So, how many ampules of the hypertonic or isotonic would I put in there just to—even though I'm taking these-

[00:50:39] Robert Slovak: It varies for you, right, all you want to do is to structure this water to work better in your body. Okay. And that's a subject we probably won't get to.

[00:50:50] Luke Storey: We should though because that's my next question.

[00:50:53] Robert Slovak: Okay. Darn you. It's much more complicated, but I'd probably put one ampule per gallon in for you because you're taking this already.

[00:51:02] Luke Storey: Got it.

[00:51:02] Robert Slovak: One ampule per gallon, that's all. And if you put one ampule per two gallons, that's okay, too, but it's only this you would use because this is already diluted and you'll be wasting your money to dilute it more.

[00:51:16] Luke Storey: Got it. So, I'm just thinking I also feed that spring water to our cat and dog. So, that'll be really great for them, too. 

[00:51:22] Robert Slovak: Phenomenal. And my cat story, first of all, I have seen more dogs be healed just with this. I've seen more dogs go berserk when this was just plopped into their drinking water. Okay. It's like they knew better than we know, something was missing. Thank you, owner. And I can tell you that many a cat owner has just wanted to experiment, they've been to a talk of mine, and they break this little end off, and they go, one of my cat likes this. And when the cat goes on here, smells it, he just tries to suck this out. Okay. And cats adore isotonic. Okay. So, all cat owners will tell you, you know what else, when I get up in the morning, and take this myself, and I snap, that cat can hear that snap, and that cat is in my face instantly.

[00:52:24] Luke Storey: Wow. That's hilarious. I'm going to try it on our cat.

[00:52:27] Robert Slovak: Please.

[00:52:27] Luke Storey: I might have to do it behind my girlfriend's back because she doesn't like me biohacking her cat.

[00:52:34] Robert Slovak: Well, look, they're the same, they evolved in the sea, too. This is the basis of their body fluids and we're not giving it to them. Probably, they're worse off than we are. 

[00:52:43] Luke Storey: So, with these minerals solutions, they come in these little samples. I get big bottles of it and I just put it in the fridge. I drink probably a shot glass every morning and every night.

[00:52:54] Robert Slovak: Now, the big bottles are fine to use, but I prefer people only use the hypertonic in big bottles.

[00:53:00] Luke Storey: Oh, okay. 

[00:53:01] Robert Slovak: And let me explain why. Because when doctors ask me, what's the difference between these two? Make me understand. I tell them, the isotonic is the medicine, the hypertonic is the nutrient. 

[00:53:16] Luke Storey: Got it.

[00:53:17] Robert Slovak: This is much more in the body, much more complex in how it's used. This product in the early 1900s was used, I won't tell you- 

[00:53:31] Luke Storey: He's talking about the isotonic, those listening.

[00:53:31] Robert Slovak: The isotonic, the medicine, the one that is the equivalent to an IV solution, but has the entire periodic table, this product is your body fluid. It works differently than this product. One, it accesses your extracellular fluid instantly. Okay. It just doesn't have the quantity, but it's recognized by the body as the very fluid that's here. This product was used to cure cholera, to cure tuberculosis, to cure gastroenteritis, to cure syphilis, not as like a helper for your nutritional pleasure, but as the cure. I won't go into it anymore. It's forbidden territory.

[00:54:29] Luke Storey: Yeah, medical claims and all that.

[00:54:31] Robert Slovak: But this product early on was what Europe addressed the multiple pandemics of those diseases that I just told you. Okay. And it was so successful after he demonstrated this in 1904 with the dogs that the physiologist of the day, such as Jean Jericho, who really got it, the master physiologist defense, he just goes, I want to try this with the disease patients because 50,000 in Europe were dying per month. That also included Northern Africa, where cholera had spread, to Algeria, Egypt. Okay. When they administered this to people, it was able to have them recover from the disease. This became one of the first medicines of the French European physician's desk reference and remained there as a pharmaceutical medicine until 1999.

[00:55:41] Luke Storey: That's wild. 

[00:55:42] Robert Slovak: Is that wild?

[00:55:45] Luke Storey:  That's crazy.

[00:55:46] Robert Slovak: Now, this was removed from the VIDAL, it's called, the PDR of Europe, this was removed at the request of Quinton because they did not want it to be identified as a medicine any longer. Do you understand? Because you couldn't go outside of Europe, no one would allow this to be a medicine again.

[00:56:10] Luke Storey: I see. So, it would have been stuck within the parameters of their legal system.

[00:56:15] Robert Slovak: They just downgraded it to a nutrient.

[00:56:18] Luke Storey: Got it.

[00:56:19] Robert Slovak: So, in 1975, after, now, 75 years of experience of this in French society and other European-associated countries, people knew what this did. They knew it made babies without birth defects, which they lovingly called Quinton babies. They knew it dealt with almost every kind of health affliction, from nasal problems to eye problems, to ear problems, topically. 

[00:56:55] Luke Storey: One could put the isotonic in their eyes or eyedrops?

[00:57:00] Robert Slovak: Oh, may I do it? 

[00:57:01] Luke Storey: Yeah, because my eyes bug me a lot. They're really dry and swollen from my cell tower poisoning. 

[00:57:07] Robert Slovak: So, when you're taking it this way, as we're doing, because we don't have anything else, we have to make sure because you break glass that you don't have glass. Okay. But, it's recommended, when you use it this way, you put it in a little glass with a dropper, blah, blah, blah, but I never do it. So, this can be great. Like if I have nasal congestion or sinusitis, I just, remember, break one end, and it becomes a pump. Can you see this?

[00:57:32] Luke Storey: Oh, I didn't know you could do that. 

[00:57:33] Robert Slovak: A pump.

[00:57:34] Luke Storey: It's like a dropper?

[00:57:35] Robert Slovak: Well, do it against your shirt. Just maybe, he can pick it up.

[00:57:37] Luke Storey: That is crazy. I've been using these things for years. I never knew you could do that. So, you could see it here. It makes a dropper.

[00:57:46] Robert Slovak: It's very precise.

[00:57:46] Luke Storey: That's so cool. That is really neat.

[00:57:49] Robert Slovak: So, what I do, I've done for 16 years, I just—and it almost gives instant relief.

[00:57:59] Luke Storey: So, doing a little bump of seawater. 

[00:58:04] Robert Slovak: A little bump of seawater droplet, and then I don't know if there's tissue around or a napkin because—but-

[00:58:10] Luke Storey: Yeah, I got one right here. 

[00:58:12] Robert Slovak: Good. Throw it over.

[00:58:13] Luke Storey: Here you go.

[00:58:15] Robert Slovak: So, I'll just go like this. It's the best eye solution. Sorry, Allergan, everyone prefers this to your solution, to your eye solution. It's the best there is. Nothing will give you the result this gives in your eyes.

[00:58:33] Luke Storey: That's so cool.

[00:58:35] Robert Slovak: Okay. So, I'm just telling you. So then, actually, I do this every morning. I put it in my nose, I put it in my eyes, and that's how much is left, almost the whole thing. And I only use this isotonic for that purpose. Now, do I take a hypertonic a day? Yes. I could follow it with this 30 minutes before I eat a meal, but I take the isotonic. Maybe I'll wait 10, 15 minutes.

[00:59:02] Luke Storey: Robert, tell us about the experiments that were done around fertility. I think that is one of the most compelling things I've heard about the sea minerals.

[00:59:12] Robert Slovak: Yes, it's the most touching thing for me to tell people because if we were here with Rene Quinton, he would tell us, hey, Rene Quinton, what was the greatest thing that you discovered? Well, okay, after Quinton eradicating a lot of disease throughout Europe and Northern Africa were done, and then that went from maybe 1906 when the pandemic started through the teens and maybe ended by the late 20s. And the late 20s, it was announced that there was something called antibiotics. 

[00:59:51] Okay. And that stole the show because, wow, it works quickly, and it works directly on the germ, and not on the terrain like Quinton works. Okay. So, we go for the easiest, fastest thing. And then, by 1934, penicillin was in deep—everybody was using it. But the French government in 1975, I started this story, but I didn't finish it, said, hey, we've been using this stuff for 75 years, look what it's done, it got rid of the disease pandemics. It's changed how we have babies.

[01:00:24] It's remarkable. No more birth defects, et cetera, et cetera. And they said, you know what, we're going to give Quinton away free of charge to every French citizen. Okay. Well, let me tell you what could really, excuse my term, piss off the pharmaceutical industry more than giving something away like this. Okay. They were very unhappy and they knew they had to destroy little tiny Laboratoires Quinton. So, this was used commonly in the hospital when people did have disease by injection. Okay.

[01:00:57] Luke Storey: Oh, that's what I was going to ask. So, you could take an IV of the isotonic if you wanted to? 

[01:01:04] Robert Slovak: Yes. I mean, you could. 

[01:01:06] Luke Storey: I mean, of course, we're not recommending that people do that.

[01:01:07] Robert Slovak: I'm not advocating this only because it is not permitted in the United States, but it's done all over the world and it's done all over the world. That's all I can say. It's actually made in an IV bottle that you will never see because it is forbidden to be imported.

[01:01:25] Luke Storey: Got it.

[01:01:25] Robert Slovak: Okay. And this is used in many places of the world.

[01:01:32] Luke Storey: So, I'm imagining. If one goes and gets a Myers' cocktail or one of these vitamin IVs, where you're getting these minerals in the IV drip bag, seems to me the most bioavailable, because these are all synthetic compounds, that the molecules that come from the sea that are most bioavailable, biocompatible would be optimal as opposed to synthesized nutrients.

[01:01:55] Robert Slovak: It would be optimal, just forbidden. Okay. I mean, there are so many things I don't have to tell you, what were abused, but this would be the ultimate. And in the world, this is how some people administer stem cells because the body accepts anything when it's in this form, because the body says, that's me. You can just drink this endlessly if you wish. So, I have a great story. One of the perinatal specialists who wrote a book about this used in childbirth, okay, he had a Quinton baby, a perfect little girl, like as perfect as I've ever seen.

[01:02:38] And they took Quinton preconception. They took Quinton through the whole prenatal period. Amped up with this for mother's milk, and through the whole early childhood. But this child came to our office with their parents, and I'm guessing she was seven, about that, old. And after our meeting with her parents who were in the medical area, she was like missing in our facility. Where is she? And so, we just looked room to room? Where's Allegra? Allegra? And she wasn't even listening because she didn't care.

[01:03:19] But we found her in the conference room where we had a supply of Quinton on display. And she was sitting playfully kind of singing to herself on the floor. Her legs were just spread with a box of Quinton isotonic before it. And she was on her 15th ampule, just happily, gleefully drinking them down. It was like a priceless experience she knew, her body knew what it wanted, and that's how animals know, et cetera. This is more magical than anyone would guess. It's really a secret.

[01:03:56] Luke Storey: What were the pregnancy studies done? I remember I heard you speak to-

[01:04:01] Robert Slovak: Yes, it took hundreds of women who had to become part of Quinton's study. They had to have, if I recall, and there's lots of details, four failed pregnancies in a row. Now, in that era, I read in the study, it was not uncommon for women to have 10 or even 12 failed pregnancies before they had a baby that survived. And we're talking miscarriage. We're talking dead on arrival. We're talking massive birth defects. Okay. And there's one other special failure of birth I can't remember. But to get on his study, you had to be in that category. When those women, first time out, took Quinton, and as much as I'm amazed, they had to have gotten it from the third month on. 

[01:04:56] Okay. The third month on. Most of them got it at the beginning, but some even took it on the third month on. 98% of the women had flawless children despite the problems that their health created a defective birth. And those children in the study he did with Jean Jericho, they followed those children for 15 years to examine annually every aspect of their physiology. That's what was really remarkable. And those children were as perfect as specimens of life, mentally and physically. And that is why people need the entire periodic table. Your cells were designed in it and they didn't stop wanting it. Okay. We just stopped giving it in our food and we stopped giving it in our connection with the sea, et cetera.

[01:06:01] Luke Storey: Wow, that's fascinating.

[01:06:03] Robert Slovak: I mean, it's so big. It's easy to lose. And I will go to doctors, do you not get this? Okay. And last weekend, we gave a seminar to doctors on the RASHA and some of my favorite things, one of them is Quinton. And these doctors, both of them advanced doctors, they'd never heard of Quinton. One was an MD, one was a naturopath. They never heard of Quinton and they were floored to the point of speechlessness. And an interesting thing happened. The host of the seminar had put an ampule of each in like a little gift bag.

[01:06:51] Okay. I mean, this was a woman, obviously. Okay. We don't usually give gifts, but they're a little more advanced than that. Social networking. So, she puts an ampule of each in. The doctor, after hearing it, he goes home with a gift bag, and one of his patients, an elderly patient, who was undergoing an emergency anxiety, and I had told him that Quinton isotonic could shift the patient from sympathetic to parasympathetic in less than 10 minutes, and he was blown away. 

[01:07:29] Luke Storey: Just by drinking it? 

[01:07:30] Robert Slovak: Just by drinking it. Okay. Heart rate variability studies done by Dr. Michael Kessler, okay, who informed me one Sunday morning, Robert Slovak, do you know that that Quinton you write about is the only thing I've ever seen that can shift every patient from sympathetic to parasympathetic? Are you aware of that? And I go, I'm not. And he showed me all the heart rate variability study. It was a very exciting time. Now, we change things. That's why we have people take it before the RASHA.

[01:08:02] That's why I tell doctors that, probably, there aren't many doctor's waiting rooms going on right now, but I tell doctors, if you have a waiting room full of patients, let me tell you, I can tell you, every single one is in sympathetic mode. Okay. You're either going to give them bad news, cut them, or take their clothes off. Okay. Done. And so, give them an isotonic. Treat them to an isotonic in your waiting room. They will be relaxed. So, anyway, this patient, the wife of the elderly patient, she said, he's having anxiety, he's not slept for a day, and he's never gotten more than three hours of sleep at a time.

[01:08:48] And the doctor failed to be able to control this, said, this is the most difficult person. So, he just goes, I'm just going to do this. He takes that out of the gift bag. He takes the isotonic. He gives it to the guy, and thinking, I would have not even told them it could be done the first time. This is the first full night of sleep this man had in three years. And he's like going, he's like calling me, oh, my God, what is this stuff? How did I miss it? And that's a common story.

[01:09:19] Luke Storey: Sometimes, I'll do intramuscular injections of something called procaine or GH3.

[01:09:26] Robert Slovak: Procaine hydrochloride. 

[01:09:27] Luke Storey: Do cycles of that every once in a while. And of course, I'm not recommending that other people try this.

[01:09:34] Robert Slovak: And I'm not recommending it either.

[01:09:36] Luke Storey: But just personally, like for me, would it assimilate the-

[01:09:42] Robert Slovak: I won't stop you from doing it. 

[01:09:44] Luke Storey: Okay. Interesting.

[01:09:46] Robert Slovak: And if you have it here, I'll be happy to-

[01:09:47] Luke Storey: Hypothetically speaking, would there be any benefit to one doing that as opposed to me just drinking it?

[01:09:54] Robert Slovak: There theoretically would be, yes. 

[01:09:57] Luke Storey: Okay. And on the procaine thing, are you a supporter?

[01:10:02] Robert Slovak: I am a supporter.

[01:10:02] Luke Storey: Do you think it's valid?

[01:10:03] Robert Slovak: Yes. And I'll tell you what, there is a procedure not allowed to be done in the United States called percutaneous hydrotomy. It's taught in Nice, France. They do probably 150 of these per week at Dr. Guardia's clinic. He also teaches doctors from all around the world. I never knew about this procedure when I was affiliated with Quinton until I got a call from the medical director of Miami General Hospital, a man from Cuba, very well informed. He was retiring. He was in his 60s and he was going to live in Mexico. 

[01:10:50] And I think in center in Mexico, I think it was San Miguel de Allende, a beautiful historic city. He was going to live there. But before he did, he went skiing with his family in Utah and he completely messed up his back. Not a good way to start retirement. And he told me that he knew, as the director of the Miami General Hospital, the last thing you do is have surgery on your back. He told me this, right? Because he watched decades of it. He found out about the Guardia's Institute through somebody, and he went to France, and had the procedure done. And what they do is, for five days, they take an IV bottle of Quinton isotonic, gravimetrically hold it above your spine with eight tubes that come down to subcutaneous needles. 

[01:11:56] You see, subcutaneous is how most of Quinton was delivered during the pandemic. It's the signal the body is looking for. And now, we're getting into the quantum space. And so, subcu-delivers the signal of Quinton. And so, you insert eight needles at one time to around the spine, and you hydrate the spine and its spinal discs. You do this for five days. Maybe it takes 35 minutes to an hour for each session, and you rest, and relax, and then you go in again. And he was completely cured to where undetectable. He ends up going to Mexico, San Miguel de Allende and starting an equivalent clinic.

[01:12:46] Luke Storey: Really?

[01:12:47] Robert Slovak: Yes.

[01:12:48] Luke Storey: Is that in existence today? 

[01:12:49] Robert Slovak: It is in existence today. Wow. And I just had a young man who just, literally, a-month-and-a-half-ago, who was with our friend, Tracy Duhs, they came to A4M. And Tracy is a water magnet, right? She loves everything water. And she was coming to see the water guy, me, at the Quicksilver booth. And I noticed she's coming with a handsome, young soldier-looking guy with a cane. A cane, well, many years before, he should have had a cane. And I just looked at him, and she introduced him, she helped me say, hey, what's going on here?

[01:13:38] He said, I'm in military, I'm a person from the military, like kind of Navy-SEAL-level like guy. And he said, I had a very serious accident that no one's been able to fix my back with all of the work that is available to me. I said, well, you know what? This may have been like a calling of a meeting of the minds that's occurring right here. He goes, what do you mean? I said, there's a procedure in San Miguel de Allende, Mexico, in which I described to them. And he's like, what?

[01:14:10] And he happens to be a doctor's assistant, so he understands. And he just goes, wow. He said, you know what's even more amazing? My family is from San Miguel de Allende. Okay. And I said, well, let me send you the information. I sent it to him. And the next thing I hear, I kind of forgot about it, he didn't write me or anything. And I get a call from him, he said, I'm going to the peptide conference in Torrance, California, at Terranea? Have you ever been to Terranea, a resort on the coast?

[01:14:46] Luke Storey: No, I haven't. It's in Torrance? 

[01:14:50] Robert Slovak: Oh, may I take you to it sometime? I don't know if it's open yet. It's gorgeous and special. And they make their sea salt of the seawater there, which they are bound, they have a whole step that protects the sea right before on the coast. Anyway, not to digress. So, he calls me, and said, would you like to join me as my guest for dinner at the peptide? He said, I'd like you to see me. And I'm going, wow. And Tracy goes, too. And he's like, look at me, I'm done. It's all fixed.

[01:15:32] Luke Storey: Wow.

[01:15:33] Robert Slovak: Okay.

[01:15:34] Luke Storey: So, he went to the clinic in Mexico? 

[01:15:35] Robert Slovak: He went to the clinic in Mexico. 

[01:15:36] Luke Storey: And what's this place called, so we can put in the show notes? If you can't think of it, I'll get it from you and we'll put it in later.

[01:15:45] Robert Slovak: Yeah, I honestly can't remember the actual name of the clinic. And I think it did have two names.

[01:15:56] Luke Storey: And what is this particular treatment called again?

[01:15:58] Robert Slovak: Percutaneous hydrotomy. 

[01:16:03] Luke Storey: Ah, percutaneous hydrotomy, okay. And is that procedure always done using the isotonic-

[01:16:10] Robert Slovak: Always.

[01:16:10] Luke Storey: Okay. So, it's like a kind of a patented thing.

[01:16:12] Robert Slovak: So, it's not something we have here. Okay. And I wanted to add this, this is what sparked me, I believe, several of the days, they add procaine hydrochloride.

[01:16:27] Luke Storey: Oh, interesting.

[01:16:29] Robert Slovak: Okay. As kind of a nerve activator, et cetera, et cetera, for the autonomic nervous system. So, anyway, this is a universal substance and I'm so proud to have been one of the people to to deliver it to the world. And so, Quinton was really not out of Europe. Even when I discovered it in 2004, it's just some Argentine biologist had brought it to Brazil rather informally. And by the time I left Brazil, and stayed, and help the doctors fully use this, it became so in demand that the Brazil FDA banned its importation. 

[01:17:27] Luke Storey: Really? Is that still in effect?

[01:17:29] Robert Slovak: Still in effect?

[01:17:30] Luke Storey: Oh, that sucks.

[01:17:31] Robert Slovak: And it's going to change. I have happy news. It's going to change. So, this is a difficult product to get in because the pharmaceutical industry truly fear this product. And when it was discovered, this book, which is the guidebook to its use, which is only printed and allowed to be printed in French and Spanish, which you got a little taste of, it's an oral-only guidebook to its use. And I'm not even going to say what depth it goes into, but, you know. Okay.

[01:18:08] Luke Storey: Yeah, I can see why it's not allowed into the state.

[01:18:12] Robert Slovak: So, the Puerto Rican distributor that came long after us. In fact, we set that distributor up innocently because it's in Spanish, innocently with its container of Quinton, innocently brings one hundred of these books in. And in Puerto Rico, it is the FDA that monitors all imports of medicines and health products. And when they saw this, they flipped out and immediately checked off our US box for being able to be imported. That was the end of Quinton in the United States for two years.

[01:18:56] Luke Storey: Really? 

[01:18:57] Robert Slovak: It was. So, we did not have it. And it cost us over $300,000 in legal fees to get it back. Alright.

[01:19:06] Luke Storey: Well, thank God you did.

[01:19:07] Robert Slovak: Thank God I did. And we were very happy to do that. So, when France elected to give this free of charge to the public and the pharmaceutical companies of Europe weren't happy, they immediately figured, how are we going to get rid of this? Well, it was used in the hospital. It was aseptic and apyrogenic, okay, when used by injection IV. They said, we're going to influence the pharmacopeia of Europe to change the standards under which injectable substances can be administered and we're going to order that all substances injected must be heat-sterilized. Goodbye, Quinton. 

[01:20:00] Luke Storey: Brutal. That would compromise the integrity of the whole thing, right?

[01:20:05] Robert Slovak: This would just become minerals and trace elements. Okay. And so, Quinton Laboratories and its schools of Quinton, which had spread, there's a Swiss school, a French school, a Spanish school, a Belgian school, all of them just went underground because it wasn't allowed to be used in Europe in the serious ways that it had been. In 2004, the very year I discovered this, because it saved my life in Brazil when I was in a remote area and got gastroenteritis, bacterial gastroenteritis from being a bad boy and eating anything out in the jungle, okay, experimenting, like I do, it was a very serious time for me. 

[01:20:55] I could have easily died from this because there was nothing around and I asked to be helicoptered to Rio de Janeiro, which they told me isn't going to happen unless I had the president's cell phone number, okay, of the country. So, an innocent, simple carpenter on our team, carpenter, gives me six ampules in a chest, this tray, just like this. He said, take this. This is our doctor. That's what he said. And I go, I said, Marcelo, what is this? And he said, it's made from the sea and this is what we use as our doctor. 

[01:21:43] Everyone uses this for children, for anybody. And I'm going, what am I supposed to do with this? He said, I advise you to take six, one per hour, for the next six hours. And out of desperation, I mean, truly, I would have taken anything. Okay. I mean, if you give me a tablespoon of mercury, I'd have probably taken it because I figured, I'm not going to make it unless I get the heck out of here. After those six ampules, it was done. I was like, I'm either dead and in a new state of reality or this stuff really worked. 

[01:22:23] It can't be because I was a mess. I took a shower at midnight and I ran down to the bar that would be opened in a little tiny town in the middle of nowhere, and I said, Marcelo, this is amazing. He said, come on, celebrate, have a cerviseria. Okay. So, this did it for me. And it became so shocking to me because I already knew a lot about health science. And I said, I want more of this immediately, and how do I find out about it? And he said, when you go back to Rio, the doctor is in Recreio.

[01:23:05] And so, I invited him to come with me and took him on a trip to Rio. Months later, I kind of even lost the interest in a way because that's not my business, it's nutraceuticals. And so, I got to that doctor's house, and I said, look, I know we're late, and Marcelo, you already know Marcelo, and this is great, and I take 30 minutes to do it. And I didn't leave until 7:00 in the morning when he downloaded what I have partially downloaded to you. And I stayed in Brazil to study this and ended up bringing to America and most of the rest of the world. That's the story.

[01:23:46] Luke Storey: Wow. Damn. So cool. I knew there was a reason why I gravitated to that stuff when I first saw it. Even just the packaging, I thought, this is unique. It's got to do something. I did a bit of research, but I didn't know 90% of what you just shared with us.

[01:24:01] Robert Slovak: Everyone has to have the periodic table available to itself and let yourselves choose which one of the 78 elements, and minerals, and trace elements it wants. You have to give it the choice because it had this choice for two-and-a-half billion years. That's all. It's simple.

[01:24:23] Luke Storey: Do you suspect that even beyond the known, and what, some people perceive to be quite limited periodic table that the other ORMUS elements, et cetera, would be present in this formula?

[01:24:37] Robert Slovak: Probably one of the greatest sources of extraction of ORMUS is from the sea. Most people start with seawater, and then they precipitate it, and they get the ORMUS from that. I mean, just because of the ocean's nature and all of the activity, ORMUS is more present in the ocean than any other place.

[01:24:57] Luke Storey: Cool. I want to digress back to water. 

[01:25:04] Robert Slovak: Boy, we didn't do good.

[01:25:06] I mean, it's not really back to water because we're just talking about a different form of water. But I don't know that I got a definitive answer on like a practical solution for people who don't want to just drink cases of bottled water all the time, are unable to get a clean source of spring water, and therefore are left with their only option as being a filtration system. And if the RO systems that have the tank have the potential, and according to you, are very likely to create this high-bacteria water, that then has to be sterilized with the UV, as you've indicated here, what is one to do?

[01:25:44] Robert Slovak: This is my favorite water purifier because it is practical. It solves all the problems, and that is very inexpensive.

[01:25:53] Luke Storey: Right. And it's called the AquaTru?

[01:25:55] Robert Slovak: AquaTru,

[01:25:55] Luke Storey: Oh, I've heard of that.

[01:25:56] Robert Slovak: Yeah. I think it is famous, it has become extremely famous. I did not design this fundamental thing, even though I helped in its advancement. Okay. But this is a magnificent product, that the only disadvantage of it is that it doesn't go under the sink for some people.

[01:26:19] Luke Storey: So, it's a countertop model that you fill with tap water. 

[01:26:22] Robert Slovak: It makes the water, it has a four-stage reverse osmosis system and it does everything right. It's the most efficient RO. RO uses water to make water. I don't know if you know. It's quite an inefficient process.

[01:26:36] Luke Storey: And you waste a lot of water with traditional under-the-sink RO.

[01:26:38] Robert Slovak: This is the most efficient that I know of. So, where most ROs are 10% efficient, this is 65% efficient. Okay. So, it's remarkable. And I also have, you see the paper there, the many uses of the water. Now, why is it so great for people with health compromises, children with autism, and so on? I was so happy that I think it's going on three years now, on my very birthday, I was scheduled to talk to the Women Autism Conference, and I cannot tell you, I was jumping for joy because I was going to walk out there, and instead of telling them, you can't use the water from your reverse osmosis system, I now said, here is the solution for a family that's a third to half the price of the RO system. 

[01:27:34] Luke Storey: How much are these AquaTru countertops?

[01:27:36] Robert Slovak: So, the list price of this, the list price is $449.

[01:27:40] Luke Storey: What? Dude, the good RO systems are like a couple grand. I mean, for the robust ones. 

[01:27:49] Robert Slovak: Yes, precisely. Like the one you're referred to. And often, our company, Water & Wellness, sells this with one of two options. We either remove as we will for your listeners, we can work something out, we will take $100 off of that. And sometimes, we just add to it, free of charge, a box of hypertonic. Okay. So, we can do something for your listeners.

[01:28:19] Luke Storey: That's funny because I don't even know you had this thing. Hopefully, it's coming off as organic as it is because I was really like-

[01:28:27] Robert Slovak: It's a masterpiece.

[01:28:28] Luke Storey:  When we closed that conversation earlier, I was like, I don't think we ever got to the actual other options. So, that's actually really cool. I'm glad to hear that, because this is a question I get so often. And I'm just like, I don't know. I mean, I have the couple filters that I think are good, and then the spring water, which not everyone can do. One question about this one, because I've heard that the, what's the fluoride molecule? What's it called?

[01:28:56] Robert Slovak: Fluorosilicic acid.

[01:28:58] Luke Storey: Fluorosilicic acid is quite a small molecule, and therefore it's difficult to filter out.

[01:29:02] Robert Slovak: When you talk about removal, it's all about the charge. So, it's not like small, big, even though that's a factor, and it's more complicated. So, yes, it removes the fluoride sufficiently, like 93% to 97% of fluoride. It removes virtually all the toxic elements, and the good stuff, if there is any, it will remove the calcium, it will remove the magnesium, and that's where this comes in. You re-mineralize it with Quinton. 

[01:29:35] You make the perfect water only because this is already diluted, you're wasting money, but you use a hypertonic, and you might put in—look, if you're a really healthy person, you take this straight always. You want to re-mineralize your water, you're doing it for a different reason. You're doing it for structure compatibility with the body, you add this. It doesn't even matter. You can add one of these to the 2.4-liter tank and you've achieved it.

[01:30:02] Luke Storey: Got it. Oh, that's really interesting. So, even though if you're getting these trace elements and these minerals, you're still, by stripping—this is the thing that I think I've always just liked spring water, and I want to talk about structuring, and kind of bringing it "back to life", too, but when you're stripping all of the chemicals, you're stripping the minerals. And I guess unstructuring, or making a chaotic, or I mean, just a less natural form of water. So, using the hypertonic minerals to re-mineralize is giving the elements that you removed, plus some that weren't there to begin with in tap water.

[01:30:37] Robert Slovak: Plus most that weren't there to begin with. 

[01:30:38] Luke Storey: And so, that water's sort of intrinsic memory, for lack of a better term, is going, oh, bing, these are the ingredients that the origin of water had in it, so you're getting as close to the original earth water as you can. Really interesting. Wow, that's cool.

[01:30:55] Robert Slovak: And this synergism, I can't tell you because it's beyond the scope of our interview, but the synergism of these elements, there's a famous thing called the mineral and trace element wheel, and it just shows you—theoretically, it's lined with all the elements of the periodic table and the lines are drawn between points of all the elements to what this one influences this one, this one influences these two, this one influences these three, this one influences another one. That synergism is where the magic is. It's the fact that these things have been together in nature for all this time. And it's not their individuality, it's their synergism that's the key.

[01:31:46] Luke Storey: Right. That's wild. Back on the bacteria thing, I noticed, sometimes, well, when I used to collect my own spring water, there's a couple of places way up in the mountains in Southern California where I went, got water, and is tested, pure, clean, beautiful water, but it was a real pain in the ass to get to because I had to basically run a hose up the hill about 300 yards, and hike up there, connect it to the spring, fill up the five-gallon glass carboys in my car.

[01:32:17] But when I was collecting that water, I'd put them down in the basement and I'd cover them with these little Mylar covers to keep it cold and away from the light. And so, the water had the potential for life and it never created bacteria or algae. Now, when I get the Live Spring Water, because it's not been hit with UV, or ozone, or anything, it's just untouched, they deliver it in a chilled truck.

[01:32:40] Robert Slovak: Really? 

[01:32:40] Luke Storey: So, when it comes in your house, it's still cold from the mountain. Yeah. It's never exposed to light or warmth except when they carry the bottles into your house or when they open the truck door, but it's kept dark and cold like water should be, right? 

[01:32:55] Robert Slovak: Yes.

[01:32:55] Luke Storey: However, I've yet to come up with covers for my spring water and mine sit in a window where they get not direct sun, but quite a lot of light. And if one sits there for a while, a little algae will grow in there.

[01:33:08] Robert Slovak: Yeah, because there are algae spores in the air constantly. We are breathing millions in right now. And those algae spores are probably not in the water to begin with. 

[01:33:20] Luke Storey: Oh, that's good to know.

[01:33:23] Robert Slovak: Yeah. And as you take water out, air has to come in, and you're sucking in algae spores. If you were to even like put this in the sunlight and because air is going into that, it could show like a little green tint, but that is so easy to rinse out, that's the point of it. You can clean this.

[01:33:45] Luke Storey: I mean, I just clean it out. But what I'm asking is, would that be the potential negative that you described in the RO tank where this bacteria is festering?

[01:33:54] Robert Slovak: Not at all, no algae there. You don't have light. Most of the bacteria that grows in a tank is in the Pseudomonas aeruginosa family of bacteria, that Pseudomonas, if it's growing on the salad bar, salad, no problem. It's not going to make it through your stomach. Okay. But if it's in 100,000 colony-forming units in your tank and your child with dysbiosis or your husband with colitis is drinking this water, it will go for it.

[01:34:37] Luke Storey: Got it.

[01:34:38] Robert Slovak: Okay. It will become opportunistic pathogenic.

[01:34:40] Luke Storey: So, that's different than this little mini algae bloom that I just wash out, and then it goes away.

[01:34:47] Robert Slovak: One of two things. If you want to sanitize it, you just put a cup full of hydrogen peroxide in, leave it for 15 minutes, dump it out, you're done. Some people, and I sometimes do this, you can just spray some silver, just some like, whatever, nanosilver, a top notch silver into it, and it also won't grow.

[01:35:09] It's funny you mentioned that peroxide. I finally figured out a way to disinfect my ice bath, a big fan of ice bath. And so, I think it's 14% hydrogen peroxide and I just pour a bottle in there. And rather than my water lasting without getting swampy for a week, now, it like lasts a month. It's pretty cool. 

[01:35:28] Robert Slovak: Without question.

[01:35:29] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[01:35:29] Robert Slovak: And hydrogen peroxide does convert. I mean, light converts hydrogen peroxide to water. So, just be aware of that, that the darker you—if it's in your bathroom, turn the lights out.

[01:35:42] Luke Storey: Yeah. Okay. Next thing I want to cover on water is structuring water. So, to me, it makes sense that, in nature, water is constantly moving, right? And it's moving in that fantastic sort of spiral manner as described by Viktor Schauberger. And when I get water from a spring, I know that that water has been traveling through thousands and thousands of feet of rock, earth, et cetera, but it never stops moving, because it goes through the hydrological cycle. Then, I bottle that water, and then it sits in my house, and to me, and this could just be my inner hippie, but it seems that when water sits, it tends to lose its potential energy.

[01:36:28] There's something about it that it just becomes a bit more stagnant. And so, what I'll do on a good day when I have the energy is I'll use this device called the Vitalizer Plus and I'll pour my spring water in there. It vortexes the water using magnets, so it creates a little tornado. And I'll do that in front of the Joovv red light. So, I'll shine Joovv red light through the water as it's spinning, and then I'll put it in the cold dark refrigerator, and that's the water that I drink for the next couple of days. Do you think that that is idiotic or am I restructuring the water in that way?

[01:37:02] Robert Slovak: So, I have heard positive results from the Vitalizer, which spins it. My own personal view is I'm always a little reluctant to have electric and magnetic fields around things, but it can be good and it cannot be good, you just don't know. But I have heard positive results from people about the Vitalizer Plus, so I'll just say, no problem.

[01:37:29] Luke Storey: Is there any way to test for water structure without-

[01:37:32] Robert Slovak: Okay, there you go. Storey, you always come up with the question. This is the tough thing, and the public has fallen in love with the word structured, okay, and it's a problem. Okay. I mean, you just will likely buy anything that has the word structured added to it. Okay. And so, probably, and there's so much hype and misinformation in the water business to begin with. They just got another new word to use against the public, structured water. The only thing I'm convinced about that will replenish structure to water geometrically is a vortex, and it could be the Vitalizer, it could be the UMH vortex. It's a static vortex are doing that. They're made in Germany, very, very, very sophisticated vortex you kind of just pour the water through. Okay. 

[01:38:41] Luke Storey: Oh, yeah.

[01:38:43] Robert Slovak: Okay. And they're elaborate. I mean, they're expensive, they're gold-plated.

[01:38:47] Luke Storey: I have seen them, yeah.

[01:38:48] Robert Slovak: Beautifully made and they know what they're doing. And I have also a favorite of mine in the United States, is Vibrant Vital Water. I don't know if you know. Randy Hatton is the founder, owner of Vibrant Vital Water. They're in New Mexico. And if you've ever seen or walked into, I don't know, a hotel, or a special medical spa, or something, and seen a large glass vortexer, like as big as you are, okay, that's Randy Hatton's work. He has painstakingly made the most sophisticated vortexers available and he also makes smaller vortexers. So, check out. I believe in his science. I believe in those what he's doing, vibrantvitalwater.com, I think. 

[01:39:38] Luke Storey: There's an interesting device that's an EMF harmonizing device called the Somavedic. I'm not sure if you're familiar with them.

[01:39:46] Robert Slovak: I'm not.

[01:39:46] Luke Storey: They're basically like a little flying-saucer-looking thing about yay big, and they're made with precious and semi-precious stones that are, I guess, ground into sand, and then blown into glass, basically. And so, one of the things that these devices do, and I think they've worked with Dr. Masaru Emoto's son in a lab, is exposing water to that field that's created by these stones, which are then, you run electricity through it and doesn't even have to be near the water, but they've done that experiment where they flash-freeze and photographed the water crystals pre and post-exposure to the field created by the Somavedic, and it's quite compelling.

[01:40:31] Robert Slovak: Very interesting.

[01:40:31] Luke Storey: In terms of structural evidence in water, that seems to be the only thing I've ever seen that's somewhat tangible, where you have like a photograph before and a photograph after, kind of like live blood cell analysis or HRV, things like that, that are measurable to some degree, one led credence to the validity of any particular modality, device, practice, et cetera. So, that's one. 

[01:40:50] Robert Slovak: That's interesting. And interestingly, to bring up Emoto, Emoto was a customer of Quinton for his own health. Okay. And not too long ago, they did this experiment that you're talking about of the flash crystallization, et cetera, they did it on Quinton. And I have the result. I only saw it three days ago.

[01:41:14] Luke Storey: What does it look like? Is it cool?

[01:41:15] Robert Slovak: They were like raving about this. I knew they would, but I'll show it to you when we go back to the resort.

[01:41:23] Luke Storey: Okay then. So, structuring, good. There are some things that seem to be valid for it. What would be-

[01:41:30] Robert Slovak: So, when you structure, to add ultimately the periodic table before you vortex. 

[01:41:41] Luke Storey: That's the piece I'm missing. 

[01:41:44] Robert Slovak: That's the piece you're missing.

[01:41:44] Luke Storey: Okay. How do you feel about the red light exposure? You put yours in the sun. 

[01:41:49] Robert Slovak: Absolutely. I'm getting red light in the early morning sun.

[01:41:51] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[01:41:51] Robert Slovak: Absolutely. Photonics is going to become very important, not only exogenous photonics, but the recognition that within your body, you have a billion little suns going off because the cells communicate with photons. Okay. And this was the work of Fritz-Albert Popp in Germany. And I actually have been contacted like some months ago to join a team that's going to apply Fritz-Albert Popp's work with photonics with a new category of water.

[01:42:31] Luke Storey: Oh, cool.

[01:42:32] Robert Slovak: Okay. I will keep you up to date on this.

[01:42:34] Luke Storey: Teaser, we'll do another episode. 

[01:42:35] Robert Slovak: And they're going to call it full-structure, coherent water. 

[01:42:43] Luke Storey: Oh, wow.

[01:42:43] Robert Slovak: Okay. Standby.

[01:42:46] Luke Storey: Coherent. I like that word because I think, I don't know, anything that you isolate from nature, like grabbing the most pristine spring water from 10,000 feet solid granite mountain that is as good as it gets, once that sits around the corner, it's no longer coherent because you've isolated it from its natural environment and all of the micro energies that are present there that we probably aren't even aware of. 

[01:43:06] Robert Slovak: Don't even know anything.

[01:43:07] Luke Storey: Yeah, we don't even know what it is, right? Is there any indication that water that has been structured in its molecular structure is closer to nature, even improved on has more potential for hydration or any other benefits? I've heard people say that structured water is wetter and it's more hydrating, but I've yet to see any evidence to support that.

[01:43:29] Robert Slovak: Yeah, it's the word structured. So, some structured, if it was structured with the necessary electrolytes that increase intracellular hydration, yes, but if it wasn't and it was structured by some other claim, it could have been ultrasonic, electromagnetically photonically structured, maybe, maybe not. It's a new science. People like to sell like it's real, but it's not real yet.

[01:43:57] Luke Storey: Okay. It's kind of what I figured. I'm still going to do it and I'm going to add your protocol to it. The other thing along structuring that's interesting is in the biodynamic farming. And we're here at Cuixmala, of course, as we both know, and I mentioned earlier, and their biodynamic farm here is just absolutely insane. And part of that process involves, as you may or may not know, making all these different, I forget what they call them, they're formula with different types of fertilizer, and compost, juice, and bunny crap. And it's absolutely fascinating. But one of the big components of it is that they structure it with, they get a copper pole and they spin it around 45 times on the full moon, and then they reverse the oscillation, and they're doing a lot of structuring of these preparations.

[01:44:46] Robert Slovak: And I believe it.

[01:44:46] Luke Storey: Right? 

[01:44:47] Robert Slovak: I buy it.

[01:44:47] Luke Storey: I do, too. When you see the presenting, I wish the farmers spoke English because I'll just go interview him, the translator could be a bit awkward on audio to go back and forth, but I was looking at his astrological charts and he was breaking it all down, and there was a translator there, Mikaela was kind of saying, okay, he said this next, when the moon goes here and the Jupiter's there, then we bury the horn in the ground, and three days later, we dig it up and feed it to the bunnies and they poop it out. It's insane. But the thing that really caught me was that structuring, the spinning of these liquids, that they go back in the earth. 

[01:45:20] Robert Slovak: Lunar influence any time you move water, especially with nutrients that, of course, are all about the—I mean, any nutrient, even bunny poop is just the elements of the periodic table, right? I mean, there's nothing more. Elements, everything in it is just—everything here in this room is just an assemblage of the elements of the periodic table. Nothing more, nothing less. That's it. Anything we can look out of this window and see is nothing but the elements of the periodic table, these 92 natural elements, brilliantly into every form beyond our comprehension.

[01:45:58] Luke Storey: So, I believe in the lunar influences, the planetary influence. I mean, this is like the work of Rudolf Steiner and some of the great biodynamicists. And I have seen, and to the point that it's very conclusive to me, that just—have you seen the large irrigation water structurers that force the water in, let's say, a pattern that would be Schauberger proof? Okay. That would just simply move the water in a pattern between this point and this point, and see the results on crops. I mean, I don't know if you've seen it.

[01:46:41] Luke Storey: No, I haven't. That's fascinating.

[01:46:44] Robert Slovak: You know the crops that—we call them crop circles, but when they grow crops with the rotary irrigation?

[01:46:51] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[01:46:52] Robert Slovak: So, they actually have the inner crops without treated water, and then the water continues on the pipe that's rolling around with a vortex device and the outer crops are getting that. And it's just very simple. Same seeds, same soil, same everything. This crop is this, this crop is this.

[01:47:11] Luke Storey: Only one variable.

[01:47:12] Robert Slovak: One variable.

[01:47:13] Luke Storey: That's crazy. Oh, I want to see that. Last thing I want to ask you, and then there were a million other things, of course, I want to talk about, I think we'll do another episode and we'll get into deuterium, hydrogen, liposomal nutrients, some of the other things that you have expertise in. And then, a third show about your activism, health activism side of things, because that's a whole other thing. 

[01:47:39] Robert Slovak: Wait. Can we say one activism thing that's my greatest passion? 

[01:47:43] Luke Storey: Sure.

[01:47:44] Robert Slovak: And I want your audience to truly know how important this is because I don't know anything more destructive going on than this right now, and that is the 3G, 4G, and 5G Hertzian wave, electromagnetic frequency or electromagnetic radiation. This is more than any of you can conceive. Okay. This is more dangerous than atomic bombs, than radiation, than nuclear reactors, all combined. And part of the reason is you have embraced it so much. All of us have. Okay. You and I are both guilty, too.

[01:48:30] And we have to learn, shield your children with it. Tell them that this device, this is a dangerous device. This is not fun. Treat it like it has plutonium attached to it, so that when you use it, if you have to, move it away from yourself. And all radiation follows the inverse square law, meaning if it's one centimeter away and it gives you X. If you move it two centimeters away, it gives you one fourth X. If you put it three centimeters away, it's one ninth X, it's the square of the distance. So, the further you put this away, the better off you and your family are. Never let your anyone take this to sleep, okay, with them.

[01:49:23] Luke Storey: When he says this, guys, he's talking about a cellphone for those listening.

[01:49:26] Robert Slovak: The cellphone. And also, certainly, people who are more sensitive, if you're pregnant, like get this away from you. And also, keep it, if you're in a home that you have wi-fi, not another good thing, but less harmful than this, in general, unless you're sitting next to it, keep this on airplane mode and make your calls through your Wi-Fi. This should be on airplane mode as much as possible for your children. Of course, if you get in the car, you don't have Wi-Fi, and then you're forced to go on to this linking up with the local antenna.

[01:50:08] Now, this thing you heard of, 5G. 5G is the same as 3G and 4G, just a hundred times to a thousand times more powerful, and therefore a hundred times to a thousand times more dangerous. And right now, in Los Angeles, where you and I both live, I can say that all the big billboards are going up, 5G is here, we have the best, et cetera, et cetera, we want to stop it. We have to stop it. Please look up Robert F. Kennedy's organization that's fighting 5G. 

[01:50:43] I help support this organization. And he is going for it. He has a brilliant strategy, but they are moving this this into every town. They're buying off every city council. Do you understand? This is going to be allowed to be—the 5G antenna, that's 10 to 100 to 1,000 times more powerful, more energy, is going to be able to be on the same property with your child's elementary school. Do you understand? They're moving it closer and they're making it much more dangerous. So, I just got that out. This is so important.

[01:51:20] That's my number one, I think, health advocacy issue because I agree. And for me, I mean, I understand the basics of the science, but it's really borne out of my subjective experience. As I was telling you at breakfast this morning, it ruined my life for three years and I'm still recovering from some of the radiation poisoning. My eyes went bad. I have to wear these freaking glasses now. 

[01:51:43] Robert Slovak: So, molecular hydrogen helps yourselves resist any form of radiation, okay, whether it be electromagnetic or even regular nucleotide radiation from something that's giving off alpha, beta particles. So, this is something we haven't gotten to talk about, but let's just throw it out there. Molecular hydrogen can help your cells reduce the effect of radiation.

[01:52:08] Luke Storey: I've heard that. And I was already taking the hydrogen, and do every day, but that was one of the most compelling. I interviewed a guy named Ian Mitchell from C360 Health, a brilliant guy, researcher, mad scientist, chemist, and they make a C60 product. And he was referring to some studies about the carbon 60 molecules.

[01:52:29] Robert Slovak: Yes. And I'm interested in this. I don't have an answer.

[01:52:33] Luke Storey: Yeah, it's really compelling evidence. I think they were rat studies about them essentially becoming immune to radiation. I mean, like-

[01:52:40] Robert Slovak: Because they took the C60?

[01:52:42] Luke Storey: Yeah. And I forget the mechanism of action there, but it was quite compelling. So, I'm always interested in things that can be taken internally to kind of help your body be more resilient to those fields because they're ubiquitous. And there's really no—I mean, even here in Cuixmala, I mean, thank God there's very low radiation here, but my cell phone works, so I know there are towers up on the hill somewhere, but hopefully, it's like a safer frequency, a 2 or 3G range.

[01:53:09] Robert Slovak: Do you remember when we met in London the first time?

[01:53:13] Luke Storey: Yeah. 

[01:53:13] Robert Slovak: There was a device for reducing the effects of electromagnetic fields. I don't know if you saw. It was from the UK.

[01:53:23] Luke Storey: Was it the Vibo or something? Vibo. 

[01:53:26] Robert Slovak: No, I can't remember what the name is, but it was a shock to me. It looked credible, but I'm going to try to see if I can get the name because we both saw it. It was, okay—I can't, ain't there. Okay. So, anyway, it starts with a C, I think. So, I'm looking at this, it was a pyramidal device. Okay. Kind of a round pyramidal device. Okay. And I'm looking, and how does this work? And someone said, well, you would never even imagine, but there's something very special inside the pyramid that we've found over several years. Also, the word neutralize is not the word, but de-energizes the field right of a cellphone. And I go, well, what is inside? He said, it's something called Quinton marine plasma.

[01:54:33] Luke Storey: No way.

[01:54:34] Robert Slovak: Absolutely. Right.

[01:54:35] Luke Storey: Oh, my God. That's crazy.

[01:54:36] Robert Slovak: So, I don't know. I have no testimony for that.

[01:54:39] Luke Storey: That's funny. Wow. I mean, it makes sense, speaking of minerals and electrolytes. The last thing I want to ask you about in water, and then we'll wrap it up, and we'll continue on another show is you got to break down the issue of alkaline water. Now, years ago-

[01:54:59] Robert Slovak: You must have been reading my mind.

[01:55:00] Luke Storey: Years ago, I went to a presentation for the Kangen machine, and I watched the PowerPoint, and I bought into it. I became a member of the MLM thing for the Kangen water. This is, I mean, I don't know, over 10 years ago. And I got the machine and I was all excited. And what really impressed me was not so much the pH of the water, but the ORP of the water. And I did notice when I was drinking that water that my back pain and inflammation just vanished. And I thought, oh, my God, I've discovered the Holy Grail. Then, I learned more about the really ineffective filtration, and I'm still drinking like LA tap water that's filtered in this little four-inch filter in the Kangen machine. 

[01:55:43] Robert Slovak: It's not a great filter, you're right, especially for $4,000.

[01:55:47] Luke Storey: Yeah, exactly. And then, so I abandoned all of that, and then I just went back to the water practices we've discussed. But if you can, in a somewhat concise way, break down the misinformation, misconceptions around alkaline water being good for you, et cetera.

[01:56:01] Robert Slovak: So, the pH of water was sold as having the ability to neutralize metabolic acids and normalize your body's pH. Well, the pH of your body is very important and it really changes in the different compartments, but the body is always fighting metabolic acidity created by us living in burning fuel. Alright. And when you oxidize fuel with the oxygen you intake and the sugar it becomes, the glucose becomes the fuel, you produce acids like carbonic acid, like the stuff that you put in soda, CO2.

[01:56:41] So, you get rid of about 30% of your acidity just by exhaling. You get rid of the CO2 that would have made the fluids of your body more acidic. But the rest of it isn't done by exhalation. It's done by bicarbonate alkalinity. And notice I said alkalinity. I didn't say it's gotten rid of by having a different pH. So, pH has no any connection with the ability to remove acidity. But the original people who worked with this whole alkaline water experience thought it was pH. In other words, they confuse the word alkaline pH with alkalinity, a set of three ions that are the definition of neutralizing acid. And this is a little tricky.

[01:57:37] God wasn't friendly with this bicarbonate chemistry. Okay. He tricked us a little bit, I think, to keep us on our toes. But what does neutralize alkalinity is bicarbonates, carbonates, and hydroxides that are also in food. In other words, if food is ritually mineralized, it'll typically have more bicarbonates, carbonates, and hydroxide. Okay. That's called the buffering capacity. pH doesn't imply any buffering capacity. So, if you had your ionizer in Los Angeles and you were using the water through Los Angeles, water through your ionizer, it wouldn't have any more alkalinity than was in the LA tap water. Understand? 

[01:58:32] Luke Storey: Even though the pH would show higher in a pH scale.

[01:58:34] Robert Slovak: Even though the pH is higher. I have a whole presentation on this that I will share with you. So, when I asked doctors, how many believe in alkaline water? Maybe 30 percent of the doctors in a course that I might be giving would say, yeah, I believe in it. I've even had some benefits and patient benefit. I'd say, I'll explain all this. But I would say, listen, what do you think happens when you drink a glass of pH 9 or pH 10 water?

[01:59:02] What do you think happens when it goes through your stomach? Okay. And most of them, there's usually just silence. And they realize, that pH is going to be so quickly altered by your body before it gets into the body, that it's going to be acidified depending upon how much acid happens to be in your stomach at the time. But the whole pH thing will go away. So, meaningless. pH is meaningless.

[01:59:27] Luke Storey: I can drink a glass of, say, 9 pH water and because your stomach acid is a 2 or whatever-

[01:59:36] Robert Slovak: 1 to 3.

[01:59:37] Luke Storey: 1 to 3, it is immediately going to neutralize that. 

[01:59:39] Robert Slovak: Yes. So, it's like irrelevant. So, the real question is, well, how can I? Well, give me water with alkalinity, and then I'll neutralize—it's more complex, I will deliver bicarbonate alkalinity to my body, and that will help my body. Well, what does that? We already know. Baking soda is perfect, it's sodium bicarbonate. That's a great way to neutralize metabolic acids. 

[02:00:09] Luke Storey: I interviewed a Dr. Sircus in Brazil, and there's a lot of-. 

[02:00:14] Robert Slovak: Yes, I visited him a number of times.

[02:00:15] Luke Storey: Oh, you did? Yeah. And he uses baking soda and some of these other non-traditional treatments.

[02:00:20] Robert Slovak: Yeah, that's how to really—but I then ask the doctors, and this is the takeaway for your audience, what's another way that you favor, you have a patient who's exhibiting low urine pH, and you're doing all the tests right, and you want to help alkalize their body besides like baking soda or some other alkalizing compounds? What else? And they would say, well, fresh green juices is a damn good way of alkalizing the body. And I say, absolutely. Who can tell me the pH of all fresh green juices?

[02:00:56] And I get the answer, well, it has to be 8.4. The guys are, no, no, no, it does much better than that, probably 9.5. And I'm going, you guys realize that I, just 30 minutes ago, told you that pH is irrelevant as having anything to do with the pH? I said, all fresh green juices are acidic, but they're the best alkalizers. Why? Because it has the alkalinity. You see, just because its pH is acid, it can still deliver alkalinity. 

[02:01:32] Luke Storey: Because it has the bicarbonate. 

[02:01:36] Robert Slovak: Because it has the bicarbonates, carbonates, and hydroxide, and ions there really. So, I tell them at the end of my talk with them, I make them repeat this mantra, the pH of anything you eat or drink, when it's outside your body, the pH of anything you eat or drink is irrelevant in human physiology. I make them repeat that to me.

[02:01:57] Luke Storey: Are there any potential risks or detriments to your health, in your opinion, from drinking a high-pH alkaline water?

[02:02:05] Robert Slovak: Absolutely not that I see. I don't care what the pH is of the water you drink, it's really irrelevant. And unless if you were to drink an extreme alkalizing mineral water, it might upset some other systems in your body. Something like, who is the, I guess, the reporter? Is it a friend Efren who travels one hour good earth or something? He travels around. He's a famous guy, also, an actor. He travels around the world and looks at health things.

[02:02:44] Luke Storey: Oh, is it Zac Efron? 

[02:02:46] Robert Slovak: Zac Efron. Thank you. Yeah. I just kind of was introduced to him and he actually, supposedly asked to interview me because he just did a water show about bottled water in Europe, and there was one bottled water that shocked me, it was 7,000 parts per million of minerals in it. So, if you drank this water regularly, it would just be too much. And it didn't have a variety. Usually, when you have high mineralization, it's just a couple of elements. But you you said the right thing when you said, I drank that water and I felt a little better. I felt a little loss of inflammation. And that is so well discussed on Tyler Lebaron's website called molecularhydrogeninstitute.com. It's a superb website. You know Tyler?

[02:03:39] Luke Storey: Yeah. Oh, it's amazing. Yeah, he was on the show.

[02:03:41] Robert Slovak: It's an amazing website. Please go on this to learn about alkaline water, and hydrogen, and so on, brilliant guy. But he discusses that, hey, when you have an electrolysis system like a Kangen and various other ones out there, it uses electrolysis. What does electrolysis do to water? On one electrode, it produces oxygen. On another electrode, it produces hydrogen. And we've just come through like hydrogen's an incredible thing.

[02:04:11] Now, the only thing bad about ionized is they don't make very much hydrogen, maybe a tenth of what a modern tablet can make. But because the whole concept of pH being important got more or less neutralized, they went to, oh, we make hydrogen. They had to come up with something. So, they say hydrogen, but it's just not a good deliverer of hydrogen. But any amount of hydrogen is beneficial and you are a person who benefited from it.

[02:04:43] Luke Storey: So, is that what creates the—I think it's the higher ORP, the oxidation reproduction potential? 

[02:04:50] Robert Slovak: Hydrogen is responsible for lowering-. 

[02:04:54] Luke Storey: Oh. So, you want to lower ORP?

[02:04:56] Robert Slovak: Yeah, to a negative range. 

[02:04:57] Luke Storey: Oh, yeah. So, negative 800 or something. Right.

[02:04:58] Robert Slovak: Negative 500, negative 700. And that reflects electron activity, but really, it's due to molecular hydrogen that's in the water. 

[02:05:11] Luke Storey: So, now, I'm doing the hydrogen tab, so I'm getting a negative ORP water out of that?

[02:05:18] Robert Slovak: Absolutely. And frankly, when I first developed the hydrogen tablet, co-developed it in 2010, okay, that was the first tablet that was made, I also believed my goal was to just make a negative ORP. And I missed the whole science of the molecular hydrogen was the key, and that's what the Japanese brought to the table. And I had missed it. And they brought to the table that it's the molecular hydrogen molecule that's the key to all of this. Forget the ORP, forget this, molecular hydrogen.

[02:05:53] Luke Storey: Done. Okay. Perfect. Man, well, I think we nailed it. I think we nailed it. And we'll do another one and we'll go deeper into the hydrogen and some of the other things. But this was a really beautiful, comprehensive view of like anything and everything water, I think, again. As I said, it's been a couple of years, so it's time to do an update, and then throw in the Quiton minerals and add that piece which was missing before. So, man, thank you so much.

[02:06:17] Robert Slovak: You are very welcome.

[02:06:18] Luke Storey: Yeah. I look forward to hanging out.

[02:06:19] Robert Slovak: We couldn't have it better than this.

[02:06:20] Luke Storey: I mean, it's funny because you and I were both here at the same time, if we were just having lunch, this is what we would be—we would have the same conversation.

[02:06:28] Robert Slovak: Yeah, it would be the same conversation.

[02:06:29] Luke Storey: Yeah. So, it's amazing to be able to have these conversations, not only because I just love to learn and expand my awareness about the way the world works, but to be able to share them with people. So, thank you for your 75 years of dedication.

[02:06:43] Robert Slovak: And thank you for inviting me.

[02:06:44] Luke Storey: Right on, man.

[02:06:45] Robert Slovak: Thank you.

[02:06:45] Luke Storey: Alright. Well, until we meet again. Guys, we're off to the beach here at lovely Cuixmala. Hope you enjoyed the show and we'll see you soon.

[02:06:51] Robert Slovak: He may share pictures with you.

[02:06:53] Luke Storey: Oh, yeah, I will. There will be photos. There will be videos. Actually, you know what, for this YouTube video, I'm going to see if we can throw in some B roll of the property because it's just so fantastic, everyone needs to know about it. Alright, man. Thanks for listening, guys. See you soon. 

[02:07:04] Robert Slovak: Thank you, buddy.

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