Luke Storey: [00:00:02] I'm Luke Storey. For the past 22 years, I've been relentlessly committed to my deepest passion, designing the ultimate lifestyle based on the most powerful principles of spirituality, health, psychology. The Life Stylist podcast is a show dedicated to sharing my discoveries and the experts behind them with you.

Veda Austin, it's so great to meet you. Thank you for coming by the studio today.

Veda Austin: [00:00:30] This is my absolute pleasure.

Luke Storey: [00:00:32] I'm so stoked.

Veda Austin: [00:00:34] Me too.

Luke Storey: [00:00:34] I've been following your work for a few months, I guess, now. And I'm just continually flabbergasted by how fantastic and interesting it is. As anyone that listens to this podcast on a regular basis knows, that I'm a water fanatic, all aspects of it, and especially the mysterious nature of its consciousness. So, when I found your work, I was just like, "What? We've got to talk." And it's so fortuitous that you were able to stop by here live in the studio. I always find it's much more engaging in the flesh. So, thank you.

Veda Austin: [00:01:13] Like, it just worked out perfectly. And some things are meant to be. So, it's interesting that you would even talk out loud about water having consciousness, because a lot of people are very unwilling to even talk about water and consciousness in the same breath.

And yet, what I've seen is that water is really communicating rather than conforming to consciousness. And for anyone that has followed Masaru Emoto's work, he has some idea that our consciousness impacts water structurally, then this work that I've been doing really kind of takes it another step further. And it really does suggest somewhere in the region of 36,000 photographs of seeing water respond not only to consciousness, but its environment, to words, and music, and thoughts, even, and having intelligent responses in two different ways.

One, an imagery that you can recognize as an image that's relative to the influence. Like, the thought of a hand. You'll see a hand in the ice, to some new work that I've been doing, which is really pretty much next level amazing, that I call hydroglyphs. Which is essentially a language of water that I'm identifying - which we can get into - because it's repeatable. And to get one hydroglyph, which is essentially a symbol in ice that I've seen multiple times, I use words.

So, for example, I write the word creation. I'll put my petri dish of water on top of the word. Freeze it using my technique - which we can also talk about. Take it out and take a photograph of what I see. And each time I do that, I will see a specific image. And I have to have done that at least 50 times and seen the same image appear to say I have one hydroglyph.

And so, each hydroglyph has a layered meaning of which people around the world are actually helping me to identify. And after four years of working in this area of hydroglyph specifically, I have got around about 35 glyphs, which doesn't sound like a lot for four years of work. But when you consider how often you have to do so many multiple tests, it's actually pretty amazing because then you're starting to, like, read real messages that are conceptual. 

And they have a very big overlap with hieroglyphs. And that their conceptual meanings that are not designed to be spoken, but are designed to be felt. And so, it's really, really difficult to start really interpreting this work because it's kind of like discovering Egypt for the first time, and figuring out what hieroglyphs are, and figuring out how they all work. It is this incredibly sophisticated language where the invisible has become visible, which is what I'm seeing, where liquid becomes ice. And within the ice there is so much information.

Luke Storey: [00:04:38] Wow. Like, there are so many directions I could go. Luckily, I have my trusty list so I don't forget anything, sometimes I don't even look at it. But as I was taking the notes for this, I was like, "Oh God. I have so many questions." But I think it'd be kind of neat to start with your story of how you had this healing experience with water after the accident and stuff. I've heard you tell that story once and it's just fascinating. I think that might be a jumping off place as we lead into some of the nuances of what else you've discovered.

Veda Austin: [00:05:13] Sure. About 25 years ago now, the driver and I, basically, we went under a seven ton truck, rolled twice. And the driver died instantly. And I had eight surgeries over the course of quite a long time, like 20 years. And on my eighth surgery for bowel surgery, because the seatbelt had gone across my waist and crushed a lot of my internal organs, they found that I just didn't recover well and I had showers of blood clots in my lungs. And the doctors wanted me to be on warfarin, which is a blood thinner for, potentially, the rest of my life.

And I've always made very conscious choices from a very young age to really take care of my body, and so I was actually kind of shocked that my body had this happen to it. And I always knew my body could heal itself. However, it was really fed the fear. You have to do this or you're going to die. And so, I took warfarin for three months or so and then had an X-ray, no more clots.

And so, I made a conscious decision for myself and, of course, I believe everybody should have a choice about what they do with their body. And I decided that I would become the guinea pig of my own health and really just see what I could do to stay as healthy as possible.

And so, I had a friend who was a medical doctor but also practices Ayurvedic Medicine and he said, "Look, you know, this might seem really simple, but what if you start drinking naturally high alkaline water, it might help to reset your body." So, I thought, "Well, that's easy." Like, even our rain water in New Zealand is 7.3, around about that. And so, I started trialing myself on two week trials on different types of naturally alkaline water. And so, other than feeling hydrated, I didn't really notice anything specific.

But I had a wellness center at the time and a client came to me and she said, "I know this old guy and he's just giving his water to cancer patients." It's from a very deep underwater aquifer. And the pH, which stands for potential of hydrogen, is 9.9. And I'm like, "God, that's the highest most alkaline water I've even heard of. I really have to try this." And so, I went to see him and he gave me a month's worth of water to try. And after day three, I really noticed a change.

And a topic that a lot of people don't want to talk about, but after talking at an event, like, over the weekend, there was a lot of talk doctors talking about poop. And so, this is a really good indication of your internal health. There are so many people sitting on the toilet trying to push out a pebble for an hour and they are just grossly dehydrated.

And so, I'd had so much bowel surgery that on day three, I think, "Things are really working well here. This is something I'm noticing that is different." But on day ten, I noticed something really crazy going on. I had all these bumps coming up along my arm and jaw that were really painful and I knew my body was purging, but I didn't exactly know what it was purging. And although it sounds gross, there was this big kind of angry lump that felt really painful, like sharp.

And so, I ended up getting some tweezers and digging into my arm and I pulled something out, and it was this little shard of green glass. And I'm like, "Oh, my God. I actually know where this is from." Between day 10 and 12, 27 pieces of green glass came out of my arm and my jaw with a little assistance from some tweezers. And they had been in my body for over 20 years because the man who died in the car accident, he had had a nightclub, and in the back of his car were crates of Steinlager beer. I know my accent is really strong and a lot of people think -

Luke Storey: [00:09:38] Like grizzly bear.

Veda Austin: [00:09:39] No. Everybody says that.

Luke Storey: [00:09:43] No, I understand. I was already with you because of the green glass. I get it. I used to drink some beer.

Veda Austin: [00:09:47] Okay. Anyway, so I was like, "Oh, my God. This has been in my body this long. How can just drinking this water, like, make my body do that?" And I was in a little bit of disbelief and I was extremely curious.

And I gave some to my dad, who's kind of a famous Maori fisherman in New Zealand, his name's Bill Hohepa. Many, many years prior he had actually got a bit of the spike from a fish, a spike from the fin, between his knuckles, and he thought he'd pulled it all out. But after drinking the water, this leftover bit of what looked like a fossilized gross bit of fins started making its way out from between his knuckles. And I'm like, "There's really something to this."

And I trialled with these people on the water from my wellness center and everybody, without exception, had some kind of positive result, from just people who are very healthy who had more energy, to people that really had some chronic problems.

One man, actually, he had stage four cancer and he was wanting to try everything he could prior to going on the chemo track. And so, he did a 27 day water fast and only drank that water. And he was tested halfway through the fast and they saw that his tumor had reduced by half. And to him that was miraculous. But the doctors didn't really give him that much encouragement about it. They was like, "Well, what did you do?" He said, "I'm on a water fast and they were concerned about that." But it was his decision. And two weeks after he'd finished the whole fast, he was completely cancer free and he still is. And so, that really spoke volumes to me.

And then, he went to an integrative medical doctor, who actually contacted me and said, "I want to know more about this water. I want to try my patients on if they're open to doing water fasts." And so, everybody who tried the water, their eyesight improved. One person had to even change the prescription of her glasses.

And so, that really made me realize that I was working with what I call a medicine water. And I think that there are medicine water sources around the world. And this one just happened to be one that was in my own country of New Zealand, that across the board seem to make massive differences in people. It tasted different as well. It had a consistency that was slightly more viscous.

And I had it tasted also for exclusion zone for that fourth phase water that Gerald Pollack talks about. And he says that spring water that comes deep, deep down from a spring in an aquifer is under a lot of pressure. And pressure helps to build this exclusion zone water. So, I knew I was working with high quality water and that's what my body needed.

So, it wasn't that only that water is going to help heal people, but a lot of people eat a lot of acid foods and they have a lot of issues going on, and somehow this water was able to get people into a balanced space. And so, I would always say to them, if you're going to drink this type of water, make sure you do it at least an hour before or after eating food. So, there was a protocol as well that I used for the specific water.

And so, I wanted to, like, learn more about it. Is it because it's high alkaline? Is it because of the bicarb, is it this, is it that, the other? Is it that underneath this massive aquifer with this incredible quartz crystal bed that probably helped? But, eventually I started to look into Tesla's quote, "If you want to find the secrets to the universe, look in frequency, vibration, energy." And when you think about water, a lot of people go to the analysis, "What's in the water?" We're so fascinated.

Luke Storey: [00:14:43] That's already where I went, like reductionist. Like, it must have have high magnesium bicarbonate, or a strong ORP effect, or something like that.

Veda Austin: [00:14:53] I mean, it did have, I think, negative ORP was -298 or something like that. And ORP is something that definitely was part of that healing aspect, I believe. But when you take out what's in water, what are you really left with? Like, what is water? I mean, we tend to go into, "Oh, it's H2O." You know, it's just hydrogen and oxygen come together and that's really it.

But what I've seen in my work is that water has what I term an energetic state of health, just like we do. And so, what I started to realize is that this particular water had a certain type of frequency or vibration. Not that I have gone out and actually been able to measure that, but the measurement really was in everybody's response.

I tend to think of myself and people as having their own song. Each molecule has its own kind of tone and frequency. And then, we have this orchestra, this humongous trillions and trillions of cells which work together like an orchestra. And so, when I started to drink this water, what it felt like for me is that I had a new player that went into each cell and informed it that there was something missing.

And that then really created this new tone. This new song within me that was able to recognize things that weren't supposed to be there. And just like an opera singer can sing a high note and shatter glass, it was kind of that's what happened in my body as this water literally purged everything to the surface that wasn't supposed to be there. And I had a massive energetic change.

And it's interesting because what it also made me realize is that there is more to water than just hydration. Just something that takes our waste away. Just something that, you know, we take for granted that we bathe in, and swim in, and all these things. And it led me on to the journey of how can water store information, like what information was held in that water that I needed to hear, that I needed to know, that I needed to feel. And that seemingly a lot of people don't.

And that then led me on to the work of, you know, so many people have heard of Masaru Emoto, although clearly he was not embraced by the scientific community.

Luke Storey: [00:17:42] What do you think the beef was? Because I got that book, The Hidden Messages in Water, I think when it came out or shortly after, and it made perfect sense to me. But, you know, kind of an earthy, far out guy. But what was the skeptical kind of scientific community's beef with his work? What holes did people shoot in it exactly?

Veda Austin: [00:18:02] Well, he was always pretty open about it. He never misled anyone. But they took many, many, many photos and chose the best photos to share. So, it wasn't consistent we're seeing this perfect crystallography in every single one.

Luke Storey: [00:18:19] I see.

Veda Austin: [00:18:20] So, that was an issue. But what I think his worked really did was open the door for people to see themselves as bodies of water that are sensitive to thoughts, sensitive to environment. And kind of liquid crystal antenna, where we're bringing in information from the external world and bringing it into this internal world.

And so, what his work, which was very much seen in contrast, really did was make people more aware of themselves of bodies of water. Whenever we cut ourselves, we leak. At our highest and lowest moments, tears come out of our eyes. We sweat. We urinate. You know, we really are so much fluid. But because we're contained in the skin, in this kind of meat suit, we don't tend to see that about ourselves.

Luke Storey: [00:19:15] Imagine if our skin was transparent, right? Like, we would see each other as we really are, which is basically like sacks of water, essentially. I think about it sometimes where if a body is cremated. You know, you have a 6'2", 200 pound male dies, gets cremated, and then afterwards you have a little urn of - I don't know - carbon or whatever the ash is that's left over. It's like, "Well, where did the rest of that physical structure go?" It evaporated. There's water, right? It's turned to steam and, now, it's wherever steam goes. It's super weird.

Veda Austin: [00:19:53] But you're talking about one of my favorite topics and you've touched on something really important. Actually, it's been identified that the ashes are salts after you're cremated. And given that we are an ocean, we're not freshwater, we're salt water. And salt is also one of my passions because I'm always interested in what we're essentially made of. If you're - pardon the pun - boiled down, we are water, salts, minerals, and consciousness. And the way in which salt and water work together in this incredible synergy of information storage, we don't tend to think about it.

Within all of our technology, there is a crystal. The crystal is storing information. Quartz stores vast amounts of information. But salt is electrical. And salt, when its cubic bonds actually fall away when it becomes into water, then it shares that information with the water. And that water then becomes a liquid crystal. Because salt is a crystal, water is liquid, they come together, and they use this new type of information that is held within this liquid.

And that's also what we are. I always think that actually our cellular memory is there because of the salt in our body mixed with the water. And, really, I think that there is this idea for me anyway that water outside of the body and within the body is an observer. And I think there's two types of water in water, and I see that within a lot of different avenues in the work that I do. And maybe we should kind of come back a little bit before I get really into that.

Luke Storey: [00:21:46] Sure. Yeah. I agree. Perhaps a starting point, for those familiar with Dr. Emoto, we can maybe talk about the difference in your work because you've done something very different using some of the same principles. And for those that are unfamiliar, he was a scientist in Japan that, essentially, photographed water in its frozen state and noticed that there was different influences on the shape and color of the crystals based on the influence. So, he'd write love or hate on a flask and freeze it, play heavy metal at one, play classical in another, and so on. Hidden messages in water. We'll put links to it in the show notes.

And while I'm at it, the show notes are going to be really important for this one, guys, it's lukestorey.com/veda, V-E-D-A, because we're going to pack that blog post for this episode with a bunch of photos of her work, which are just mind blowing. And you're going to hear about them and be like, "Wait. I want to see this." So, we're going to cover that.

But perhaps you could just kind of talk about how you developed your technique and what it is fundamentally. And then, people can go look at it and freak out.

Veda Austin: [00:22:53] Yeah. And do it for themselves, which is what I always encourage people to do. So, just to carry on, there was another person who really influenced me and really encouraged me to kind of move forward, and his name is Laurent Costa. He's a French microscopic photographer that takes photos similar to Emoto in the same kind of way with flesh freezing water and then photographing what is seen in the eyes.

But where he came from, his ethos, was quite unique, in that he thought of water as a spiritual teacher. And so, he didn't want to influence the water. He didn't want to project himself upon the water. He just wanted to invite water to share whatever it wanted. And what's so amazing about the photos - which I can share with yo that he took where he was getting smiley faces microscopically. He was getting perfect hearts. He was seeing fish. And, often, he would look into a dish and smile at the water prior to freezing it. And all these happy faces were appearing. And when you see them, they make you smile.

And I worked professionally as an oil painter for quite some years, so I see the world through a very artistic lens. So, rather than seeing the geometries that Emoto was photographing, which looked a lot like snowflakes, I was seeing these amazing faces and stuff.

And then, there was a man called Thomas Hieronymus, who was a radionic engineer. He went into a Parisian meat market and he noticed that the freshly placed organs of an animal appeared to be affecting the way the frost froze on the glass behind where they were placed. For example, the shape of a liver would appear in the frost above where the liver organ was, and so on, and so on. And his idea was that there was still some kind of lifeforce energy emanating out of these organs because there was water in the blood. And that water in the blood was communicating with the water outside of the barrier of the organ.

Luke Storey: [00:25:12] That's insane. So, kind of a coherence, right?

Veda Austin: [00:25:15] A coherence and information -

Luke Storey: [00:25:16] And it's finding each other again, right?

Veda Austin: [00:25:19] It's always finding each other. Water is always looking for water. That's why we search for each other. That's why we look for love. We're always attracted to certain people and we kind of remember them somehow. Some people feel so familiar to us. And I've always thought that we have this liquid within us. But we always forget that there's water in the air, and so because we have electrical charge - it goes quite far - and the water in the air is attracted to that electrical charge.

And that actually is the way in which we can go into a room and just feel how it feels to us. The information is being transferred from the air into the fluid system. And that's how we feel what another person feels like. And there is a memory that is shared between those people. It's a feeling that we get. It's like, I just kind of know you from somewhere and no one really can explain how that is, except that it is. And most people have felt that.

Anyway, I digress. So, as I was inspired by these people, I was really inspired by Thomas's work. Really, his observation because it was microscopic. So, I've been doing this work as a water researcher for nearly nine years, and back then I didn't have a microscope. And I was really curious, like, could water really store information? That was my question. Because you read all this stuff. But I always say, don't believe everything you read or everything you hear. See if you can do it yourself, if there's any way.

And so, I had some water, obviously I had some good water, and I had a glass petri dish from something else I was doing. And I thought, "Well, you know what? I'm just going to put some water in this petri dish. The secret seems to be in the freezing. I'm going to put it in my freezer and then I'm going to pull it out and photograph it. But I'm going to, basically, just think of something and project the thought into water." That was my very rudimentary kind of thought.

So, I held my petri dish of water in my hand and I noticed there was a bit of fluff floating around in it. So, I was like, "Oh, my gosh." I put my hand and take the fluff out, but my conscious thought was, I wonder if my hand will have any impact on the water's "memory" because I didn't know if it was real or not. And then, I put it in the freezer with the broccoli, and the peas, and ice cream, and stuff, and just forgot about it.

And came back to it a few hours later and took it out of the freezer, held it up to the light, and took a photo on my iPhone. And the photo really was remarkable and kind of freaked me out, if I'm honest, because there was this hand in the ice that was so undoubtedly a hand that I was taken aback. It took up half the petri dish. So, this is something I'm looking at with my naked eye. And I managed to capture it on my phone.

And I was sort of almost in disbelief so I showed it to my son, Rama, and he didn't know what I'd done. And I said, "What does this look like to you?" And he said, "It's a hand, mom. It's kind of a creepy hand. It looked like an X-ray of a hand." It is. It's a hand. Well, maybe it's a coincidence, you know, I immediately went there.

And then, I thought, "Well, if anyone is going to be informed, it's got to be seawater." So, I got some seawater because we lived by the beach and froze a thin layer of that. And in the ice there was this incredible outline of a fish, and its tail, and its fins, and this perfectly round eye. And I'm like, "Oh, my God. What?" And then, my freezer became my most used household appliance and I did so many different co-creations, I like to call them, because I'm very much in the same camp, actually, as Laurent Costa.

I really don't think of this work as experimentation because I'm a body of water that doesn't want to be experimented on and because I'm seeing water respond to me. And in my culture, my father's Maori, there's a great deal of respect of water being an intelligent kind of living source. And an ancestor -

Luke Storey: [00:29:38] I've heard you mention in relation to peoples of antiquity and cultures that are still intact, however few there might be, that they always refer to water as The Waters. It's not just this minimized thing. It's this holy sacred element. And when I heard you saying that, I was like, "Oh, that's so interesting. That's very true."

Veda Austin: [00:30:03] It was pre-Roman times, and it's interesting, because people would talk about water is a really reverent kind of way and it's very sacred as The Waters. It's like The Body of Waters.

Luke Storey: [00:30:15] Capital T. Capital W. Right? Like, The Earth.

Veda Austin: [00:30:17] Right. Yeah. But, you know, it stopped being called that when plumbing came into the world and they started realizing water is taking our waste away.

Luke Storey: [00:30:25] Like, I got to turn on the water.

Veda Austin: [00:30:26] Now, it's water. But then, we started breaking it down even further into H2O. But where The Water is really still around in our language is still with a sacred type of water where we say "Her water's broke." So, there's still some remnant of that sacredness there.

Luke Storey: [00:30:49] You know, thinking about this, it's always been interesting - I guess not always but as soon as I figured it out - I've been a fan of hot springs since I was a little kid. I lived sometimes in Colorado. And I would say soaking in hot springs and just natural bodies of water in general, whether they be freezing in the winter or hot, is probably my very favorite thing to do, literally. If you're like what's your number one thing in the world to do as far as an activity, I think it would be that.

And I've observed how where these hot springs are located around the world, and I've been to many all over the place, they were sacred centers of the peoples that were there before that land was colonized and sort of settled by the people that came in and took that land from said native peoples. But there's always this great historical account or reverence for those waters.

Like, if you go to some little hot springs resort in a small mountain town somewhere and you kind of look into the history of it, it's very common that there was a prehistory to it which involved the native peoples. And then, someone came in and acquired that land and then monetized it into a little hot spring center or something like a spa. But it's interesting to observe how humans have always settled around springs, not only hot springs, but drinking springs to the point that so many towns, at least in this country, are called Something Springs.

Even like in downtown L.A., there's a street called Spring Street. And I was told - I haven't researched this to find if it was true - it makes sense that there is actually a buried spring under Spring Street. And that when people flocked to what became Los Angeles, that city was really built upon that spring. It's the central hub of a source of free and abundant water.

So, it's like we kind of know as we develop civilizations that you got to be where the water is coming out of the ground, and that that's where we've flourished to the point that all of those townships, et cetera, around water have become our cities. I mean, at least many of them. It's so interesting.

Veda Austin: [00:32:57] Well, in some indigenous cultures, it's interesting because a lot of native people, and the ancients really, they thought of this earth really truly as a living being. And they wanted to understand and be able to know where to nurture her. And so, it was a very interesting thing because they thought of the colder springs more as arteries, but the hot springs were more like organs. And so, within the organs, the healing aspect of sitting and healing within the hot springs was actually part of you being able to exchange your energy to help heal the water heal the organ of the planet.

These little organs that are around, they're all very sacred. And because they were considered to be sacred, when you go into these hot organs, should we say, there is this kind of information transfer that happens from you. So, if you go in there with the intention to heal - so much of today's world we are looking for ways to heal. We're all looking for ways to heal, whether it's physically, emotionally, spiritually, whatever that is - very rarely do we go into it with the idea that we want to heal the planet, that what we want to do is give back.

Luke Storey: [00:34:23] I totally feel like a jerk. I've never gone into a hot springs. I'm always like, "I'm going in. This water is going to hook me up." I mean, I have a reverence and a respect for it, but I've never had the thought, like, I'm going to assist in healing an element of the planet through my intention and my will. That's very interesting.

Veda Austin: [00:34:42] Yeah. And I think that that's one of the things I always suggest to people, one of the things I always say. Because you have no idea how many people ask me what's the best water to drink, what kind of filtration system is this and this - and we can get into some of that.

But what we always forget is that we are this incredibly sophisticated system of water. And when you said about what if our skin was invisible, this is what I ask children when I go and teach in schools. I do projects with, I think, they're between 8 and 11 or 12 year olds. And I just donate time. And we do this cross between a water science project and an art project. And I teach them how to do my crystallography. But I always say if your skin was invisible and your organs were see through, what would you look like?

And always they end up coming back to waterfalls, and tributaries. And these kinds of things, it comes back to water and water systems.
But one boy, he said, "I'd look like a brain shaped cloud with electrical rain falling down and moving through my body in the shape of a person." I'm like, "Oh, my God. It was next level."

But these young people are coming in with all this information to teach us and remind us. And it's so nice to give them a platform where they get to actually see how to do this work and how to form a relationship with the blood of this planet.

So, really, when you're sitting in a hot spring or you're sitting in any spring, you're sitting in the blood of the planet. We never think about this. We tend to always think about how this is going to feel good for me and this is going to heal me because we are in this container, which, of course, everything is relative to the eye that weigh so much.

Luke Storey: [00:36:39] Yeah. Self-referential. In New Zealand, which is somewhere I've always wanted to go solely because, obviously, it looks beautiful in photos, but from what I hear there's a lot of hot spring activity there. Is that true?

Veda Austin: [00:36:53] There is Rotorua. And there are various different hot springs around. And it's interesting, I'll share something with you I don't think I've ever shared with anyone, actually. I think the last time I went to hospital for surgery - and I was in so much pain before the ambulance came - I was in some kind of altered state. Sometimes pain can take you to a place you didn't expect it would ever take you. And I remember lying in bed, like, really, I thought I was going to become unconscious because the pain was so bad.

And I remember being suddenly in the space, which was sort of in between an awake and almost sleep or unconscious space. And I had this memory and this vision, really, where I was a young boy. I was around, about, 13. And my grandmother and my grandfather was sitting on either side of me and they had full Tā moko, which is the Maori tattoos on their faces. And I was in pain as this little boy and they were trying to cool me down and trying to help me. They were very nurturing.

But they called me a name. They called me a name, Ki Te Piki Ki Te Rangi, which means to climb up to the sky. And I knew where I was in that vision. I was in this place called Rotorua. And whenever I have needed to heal, I have driven to this place, which is this thermal wonderland, where there are these geysers and mud pools and it's all very thermal. It smells like rotten eggs. And it's amazing.

But I remember researching about that years later, and there is a marae, which is a place where the Maori tribe will come to congregate. And there was one in reference to a chief, who was called Pikirangi. And I didn't have any clue about any of that, but I remember being in that space and I'd always been drawn to go to heal in Rotorua. And you can get the mud there. And a lot of people love to put the mud all over their bodies and even the minerals in the mud and the heat, it's very, very good for you, great for your skin, kind of makes you feel good.

Luke Storey: [00:39:31] I love doing that. That's one of my favorite things in hot springs. I mean, rocky hot springs are cool, but when they're muddy, I love that. I just cover myself in mud and go lay in the sun, if there's sun. It's the best ever.

Veda Austin: [00:39:42] But even when you watch the geysers, when they kind of start to erupt, there is a timeframe in there. So, even the geysers, these organs, they kind of have their own heartbeat, their own timing. And we were just in Pagosa Springs.

Luke Storey: [00:40:02] Oh, love it. So good.

Veda Austin: [00:40:03] We were there for a couple of nights. And I couldn't sleep and I was awakened at 5:00 in the morning, I went into the pools. And one of the pools that I was in, it had this kind of timeframe where this bubbling up would start to come up. And I was timing it, actually, because, weirdly, I'm just really into timing stuff when it comes to water. And I noticed that it would come up every 120 seconds. It would start to bubble up and kind of look like it was going to erupt and then go down.

And we were just in this very hour, it was just me with the water - and I'm saying we, me and the water - we're in the space together. And, eventually, some people came in the pool at, like, 6:00 in the morning. And I noticed that the water, it stopped doing it regularly. It became more every three minutes rather than every 120 seconds. And so, it was really interesting that it actually changed when people came in the pool. And then, when the people left, it went back to 120 seconds. So, it was reacting to their energy.

And it was so interesting to me because it was a very sacred special time when you get up really early in the morning and you bathe in the water, and you're in that space, it's a sacred holy space. And there is just you and all of this fluid of life. And there is communication that happens. It's such an intimate thing.

I always say to people, "What was the last word you spoke before you drink water?" Because I've done tests where I've frozen the saliva after saying a word, and there is evidence to say that even your saliva can share information about that word. So, it suggests that whatever you're saying, the saliva is holding that information. And that is the first contact outside of your consciousness that physical water is going to come into your physical body and actually interact with the first word which is still vibrating in your mouth when you speak.

And so, rather than it being all about what this water can do for you, I think, what can this body of water, how inviting do I want me to be? How inviting do I want this temple of water to be for this water that is entering me? It is literally such an intimate exchange. It's one of the reasons the ancients and many people today pray or say a blessing or be grateful before they eat or drink, because there is a resonance within your mouth that is an invitation for the food and the water that is coming into you, becoming part of you.

Luke Storey: [00:43:01] Wow. That's cool you're in Pagosa Springs. That's one of my favorite springs ever because they have all the different temperatures too. And then, the river right there, I've always wanted to go in the winter when the river is freezing. I've only been there when it's summer.

Veda Austin: [00:43:13] It was pretty cold.

Luke Storey: [00:43:15] Really? Was it?

Veda Austin: [00:43:15] Yeah.

Luke Storey: [00:43:15] I mean, it's still nice and refreshing in the summer. Kids are swimming out there and stuff. But I remember I was there and I was like, "Oh, man. I got to come here in the winter and get the full deep freeze." But, wow, that's so fascinating. I never thought about, like, the pulsing of the geysers and the timing in some water.

There's a spring outside of Santa Fe called Ojo Caliente, if I'm not mistaken. And they have, like, a carbonated spring, a natural spring that's carbonated. It's like hot Pellegrino water and it's very buoyant, and it's really easy to float around in there. It's just fantastic the way that the planet actually interacts with that water. And I love your perspective of what can we contribute to that interaction. That's really beautiful.

Veda Austin: [00:44:03] Yeah. And so, what I'm seeing with my work as an interaction, I call it a co-creation, because like I mentioned earlier, I think that water is actually communicating rather than conforming to our conscious expression. And I say that because I see it time after time after time after time again. And that water doesn't always do what you think it's going to do. It seems to be almost sovereign in the way in which it communicates with you and with me.

And so, an example of that is that I was doing multiple studies of the sound of Om. And water seems to love to design a specific pattern for that sounds. And it looks a lot like the rings of a tree. It's kind of like lots of circles going like that. And so, in my arrogance, I thought, "Oh, well. If I play the sound of a gong, it kind of sounds a little bit like that. I'm sure water will probably do something similar."

And I had an assumption that I knew what water would do, and that's never a good idea in this work that I do to kind of think you know. Because I've found that water (A) won't work. It won't design. Or (B) it will do something completely different. And what it did for the sound of a gong was create the gong with the mallet on top. It actually designed the instrument instead of doing a sound pattern, like in cymatics. It was very interesting.

I'm very mindful these days to stay in a place of curiosity, to step out of my ego space, and simply invite, not allow, because that suggests I have dominance over something. But invite water to share whatever it wants to with me. And because I was observant that water really likes to design an art - and I always say that art is the heart of water - I started using photos of people to see if it would show their faces or their features, a kind of facial recognition. 

And so, one of my most well-known images is of my friend, Wendy. And so, I basically put her photograph on the table, put my petri dish of water on top of it, froze it using my technique - which I'd like to talk about - and then photographed it. And you clearly saw her face in the ice. And so, then I've used other people's faces and we see their features. And if they're on a profile, it will usually show a profile. If it's face on, you'll usually see the face on.

I even have used statues, like the Statue of Jupiter or Zeus, wherever you come from you like to call it whichever. But with the big beard and although I had frozen it just a bit too long, you can see all the features of the beard, and the hair, and the face, eyes, nose, everything.

And my friend and my mentor, Dr. Gerald Pollack, he's been kind of guiding me along this journey for quite some years now. And he said, "Well, you know what would be very helpful would be if you put together a survey of 20 or 25 of your photos and really just ask people what they thought this image looked like."

So, I did that and I got friends to distribute it around social media, so no one knew what they were looking at. No one knew what the medium was. And no one knew it came from me. And the question on each picture was, "What does this image look like to you?" And 297 people did the survey, and 85 percent of people were able to identify the images compared to what the influence was prior. And out of all of them, there were three images where 100 percent of people could recognize them.

And you have to realize this is liquid water going in to the freezer and ice coming out with imagery that you can see with your naked eye. And I always say to people, if this is way too out there for you to accept or to comprehend or you think it's just absolute bollocks - there's always people that find that just too difficult to get their head around. Because it really isn't a thing you're supposed to get your head around. It's something you're supposed to feel - "Well, look at it as art." Because I like to come from the threefold of science, art, and consciousness, because I think there is a beautiful interweave that can happen.

And if you think and you look at this imagery as art and realize this is the most organically made art you can imagine, it takes it on from a different perspective. You're not trying to pick it apart and go, "Oh, she must have been doing this, or this, or this, or that, or the other." You can ask the question, "What does this mean to me?" And that's much more of what I want for people to appreciate is like, "What does that image mean to me?"

Because water, I think, can be the voice's peaceful nature. Water is an every single living thing on this planet. And the fact that now we can take something which is, essentially, not seen, which is in the liquid form, and then it comes into this seen place, it's really, really remarkable.

And even Rudolf Steiner recommends to his students - well, used to recommend before he passed - to look at the frost, look how the frost freezes on a butcher's window compared to that of a florists. And I mean, one of my heroes, Viktor Schauberger, he's done so many things and given so much about implosion and explosion, and all the different things that he's observed with water. But it's his relationship with water that always got me just so excited because I can relate to it so well.

He said that he would sit and watch a stream. And there was a point where he became unconscious. And when he became conscious again, what he realized and what he observed and what he said was that his free consciousness - he always called it free consciousness - was taken away by the current of the water and then returned to him after some time full of information about the water. The water was able to share the temperatures it like, the kind of way in which it like to move, all its information about its intimate journey.

And I'm pretty sure it also shared information to him around how he started to understand anti-gravity devices and things like that. Because, you know, he actually said, "I was a searcher, but then I became a researcher using my free consciousness and setting out on these expeditions with water." And it came back with all this information for me. And he considered, much like many indigenous people, that water essentially was a living being.

And so, as I have started to realize that, firstly, however many thousand photos I've taken shows that this isn't random or coincidental. And with the amount of repeated studies that I've done, I've been seeing images that you can recognize that are showing up over and over again. And so, it always lends you down this road of like, "Well, what does this mean then? What is this? What are you even working with here? What really is water given that it's in so many different states?"

And I'm sure most of your viewers would know that there is the fourth phase of water, the liquid, solid, gas, and then the type of plasma or gel, which is a more viscous type of water that has a negative charge that can absorb more light, slightly more alkaline. And that's the kind of water in our cells. But you can also find that water is outside of the body in certain waters. And so, the secrets are always in the subtleties of everything, and nature hides her secrets well.

And so, I've always found when thinking about these different realms, these different stages of water, how many subtleties there must be. Because even as water begins to freeze, it freezes in layers. And it's almost like each layer is informed in its own way. And so, there are these subtleties in each layer of ice as it begins to freeze. So, I used to completely freeze water and I still got incredible imagery. But I look back now, although, it was nearly nine years ago, and I'm like, "That's amazing that I got such incredible imagery in totally frozen water because I haven't done that in years."

When I started to really look into the new science of water, and there really is one, I started to recognize that there were these different stages. And maybe I was missing something important. So, I started to open my freezer earlier and earlier and earlier to see what stage the water was in it's freezing. And I came to realize that water really around about 4-minutes-and-45-seconds to 5 minutes does something really amazing. And it's different with each person's freezer setting.

But it kind of goes into these two phases, which I call informed and uninformed. But, essentially, they are liquid crystal or, basically, liquid and a kind of ice. I say it's kind of ice because it's so early on in its stage of freezing that I would consider it to be the fourth phase water. It's kind of in the stage between molecular chaos and molecular order. I call it the space of creation, where water uses its building blocks of ice to design, kind of pixels do for a photo.

And so, in the space, it's just kind of a different type of ice. And there is liquid on top of that. And so, when we were children, at least for me, I'd be given a piece of paper and a glue sick and just draw something with the glue stick, and then sprinkle the glitter on top and shake it away. Well, essentially, your conscious expression is the glue. And the water that is most attracted to that conscious expression is that first freeze. And the liquid water is kind of akin to that glitter that you tip away.

And so, there's two types of water theme has gone throughout my work over all these years. Because I've always been so curious about what would be the most informed kind of water. And I always thought it had to be amniotic fluid. But since that's not readily available, I thought, the next best thing would be to study eggs, an egg albumin, the egg white.

And I noticed there's two types of kind of water in egg white. There's kind of gloopy, gelatinous part, which is more of the protein for the bird. And then, there's a part which is more akin to saliva. And when you freeze that, something really interesting happens. And if it's a free range, happy, healthy hen, then it would have laid an egg, which has six patterns that I've identified.

Luke Storey: [00:56:28] Really? Universally?

Veda Austin: [00:56:30] Yes. Yes. And I have done a lot with caged hen eggs in comparison. And they struggle to form even one pattern. And that's very, very interesting, because across the board, I have done hundreds of studies on caged eggs kind of compared to free range happy hens or ducks or quails or geese. And, of course, for birds, there are these six patterns that I've identified. But any animal, or at least any bird that's been caged and not free to roam seems to struggle, the eggs seem to struggle to form these patterns.

And I did a test just the other day, so this is really, really fun because I'm sharing something that I've really just discovered. When you put a free range happy egg beside a caged hen egg - of which never before have I ever seen more than one pattern in - and leave them together overnight side by side, the information from the happy hen egg is transferred to the really poor quality egg, and that starts to form more crystallography. And I'm like, "Wow."

So, someone said to me, "Well, yeah. Okay. But that's just one on one. What if, what if?" Because adults will always compare it to people, of course. And that kind of suggests that someone who is happy, healthy, and well-rounded is going to have a positive influence on a person if you put it into people terms. So, what I did was get one of those amazing eggs and surrounded it by caged eggs and I left them overnight. But what I did do was take one of those caged eggs and put it aside and did the crystallography of that.

And so, what I observed, and I've shared it on social media, is that the eggs that were in the closest proximity to the good egg all had beautiful structures. And as they started to go out slightly, they still changed. They still had more patterns, but they weren't quite as amazing as the ones that were sitting right next to it. But they all changed.

And so, this is a very interesting phenomena because I've seen something similar happen in tap water when sitting next to spring water. Tap water has a very specific look crystallographically. It kind of is jagged and doesn't really have a lot of formal structure. Spring water will form these things that I call fern hexagons. It's like a hexagonal kind of star shape with ferns on each line. I call this fern hexagons. And they also form fern shapes and - what I call - flowers. So, spring water has a very specific look. Tap water tends to be lots of lines that are disordered.

And so, knowing that going into the study, I put one glass of tap water beside one glass of beautiful spring water, which I knew the patterns of, and left them overnight. And the information from the spring water was transferred into the tap water. And you saw that the tap water started to form hexagons. It started to form ferns. And because that water I was drinking to help heal my body, the alkalinity of the tap water increased.

Luke Storey: [01:00:19] What?

Veda Austin: [01:00:20] Yes. So, that's then an alignment with Luc Montagnier's work, who really was talking about DNA teleportation, where there was a vial of pure water and another vial of pure water, and one had a sequence of DNA in it. They were put side by side and left overnight in radiant light. Basically, I think the process was they added some kind of powder to see whether it could identify there was any DNA present. And they did that to the water. They had nothing in it except what it was sitting next to one that did. And that they found there was a DNA sequence actually identified in that water. There was a transfer. And that, apparently, has been repeated.

So, I know that's French and, to me, that seems like such a big deal because that then says, "Well, what's going on if we're just sent standing next to somebody? What if we're sleeping next to somebody? How much information is being transferred here? Like, what's going on?"

Luke Storey: [01:01:26] Many people listening right now are thinking about people they didn't know that well they had sex with. That's the first thing that went to my mind, I was like, "Thank God I'm married. I know who I'm sleeping next to."

Veda Austin: [01:01:36] I mean, it's interesting, I've done studies on lots of bodily fluids. Human urine is a very easily accessible one. But in my earlier stages of doing this, I had access to semen from men that had vasectomies and men that hadn't. And when you freeze that, I observed something really, really interesting because our bodily fluids through crystallography can share so much information.

Across the board, the men that had live sperm, there would be these bubbles. They were solid and they just formed this very bright light kind of silver like looking bubbles. Whereas the men that had vasectomies, there would be a bubble that was clearly starting to form. But it was almost as if the tops had been chopped off. They were like a bubble with a flat surface on the top. And it was very interesting, very clear distinction, very different.

But even to test if a woman is ovulating, there is the saliva prediction kit that has been around for many, many years, where basically a woman just spits on a glass dish and takes a magnifying glass that lets it dry. And if she's fertile, there will be these ferns that have started to form in the saliva. And if she's not fertile, they won't be there.

And so, our body has so much information that it can share with us. And I've even tracked my urine. I've tracked my cycle. And so, I've done two months worth of testing urine everyday, and seen that in the beginning stages there is a specific pattern that appears. Coming up to being fertile, there is a very specific kind of pattern that looks very similar to the hydroglyph for electrical charge. And then, as you go into kind of beginning your period again, you start to see this kind of other pattern. And so, even urine can tell us information about ourselves.

And I love tears. People always ask, "Have you used tears?" And so, I have. I have done a few tests with tears. One of them that comes to mind - and there's usually always a petri dish of water on my benchtop in the kitchen - I was cutting onions and I'm like, "Oh, here's an opportunity." So, I got the petri dish and I put some -

Luke Storey: [01:04:14] Harvesting.

Veda Austin: [01:04:14] Yeah. Harvesting the tears. And they went into the water. So, it was mixed with water and I froze it, and I got this image which I've shared kind of fairly widely that looked like my iris, the iris of an eye.

And when it comes to tears, people will often ask me about water and its relationship with emotions. And I think that water really is fluid emotion that we can see and that is within us. And our tears, especially specifically, I'll say, the tears that come up when we are deeply in pain, when we're really, really sad and emotional. And our faces are designed in such a way where the tears will come from our eyes and come around our face towards our mouth. Because those tears have been structured perfectly to actually help ease our pain. They're meant to be taken back into the mouth and be a medicine for us. We keep forgetting just how incredible we are designed.

Someone once said to me, "Well, what if water is expressing its consciousness through every living thing on this planet to observe itself from every single perspective, and not just from this planet, perhaps from many?" And it's interesting because people often also ask me, is water masculine or feminine? Because we often refer to water as being feminine.

But I always think of water as being in balance. So, even if you do want to become kind of one of the people that look at water as H2O, well, actually the two hydrogens are feminine and the masculine is the oxygen. Hydrogen is kind of the element of levity. And oxygen is the element of gravity. And so, together they work perfectly to allow there to even be water on this earth. There is a harmony. A beautiful kind of intimate relationship between oxygen and hydrogen.

And so, it's so interesting kind of looking at it from these different perspectives, given that by molecular count, where 99 percent water. And that, actually, science is very split, whether water seeded the planet from meteorites and asteroids, or whether water comes from within the Earth's mantle held within the ringwoodite within the earth. There seem to be actually just as much, if not more, water inside the Earth's mantle as there is said to be actually on the surface of Earth. It's called primary water. And it will come up through cracks and fissures and come up like a spring. And it's kind of made inside the Earth.

Luke Storey: [01:07:20] I want to interject there. In a recent solo cast, they did a whole thing on primary water. And this, to me, it's like there's so many things you're talking about that I didn't even know that are fascinating.

But I've always had the sense as being a spring water collector for - God, I think I started when I was a little kid with my grandmother. Because these springs, you know, like high rocky mountain springs and such, they're 8,000, 10,000 feet up and there's this levity to the water. It's just being drawn to the surface and it just goes and goes for hundreds of years that have been recorded right back to people settling around these springs. And I always thought that was so interesting.

And then, when you have water like that tested, it's completely pure and free of any industrial contamination whatsoever. You know, the acid rain, the nuclear testing, whatever, chem trails, it's just pure clean water. And I've always thought that was really interesting.

So, being a novice researcher - compared to you - found this thing primary water and that, in and of itself, I highly encourage people to research because it does many things. But one is that it totally dispels what I believe to be a myth that there's a finite amount of drinking water here, like potable water, I think they call it. That the earth actually manufactures water.

I mean, this is just mind blowing, because I think we've been led to believe that there's this scarcity, like with crude oil and things like that, that there's only so much of it. And so, by that scarcity being created, of course, now there's sort of an artificial value attributed to that, like gold or diamonds or something like that. If every grain of sand on the beach is diamond, it'd be worthless. We have to go get it and there's only so much of it.

So, I just find the primary water thing interesting. And just from a health perspective, just the water that I would prefer to drink, my choice was water that's never been on the surface of the planet before versus water that's been through that hydrological cycle of precipitation, rain, snow, lands on the mountain, becomes a stream, then becomes a river, eventually ends up back in the ocean, it goes back up, so they say at least this cyclical kind of pattern. So, the primary water thing, to me, that's next level.

Veda Austin: [01:09:49] Well, I think one of the things that we need to become mindful of, and if nothing else, this idea of scarcity of water can hopefully make people realize how to treat it, how valuable it really is, not as a resource but as source. And I think that the idea that there is so much water - and it's not an idea. There is so much water - I think if nothing else, we need to learn how to start to treat water. 

Because so many huge companies go out and just buy up massive amounts of it in all the springs. So many people even come into New Zealand and taking so much of our water and bottling it and exporting it. I mean, we really have made something that should be free for all humanity into this monetary kind of commodity.

Sometimes I don't think we realize - and it's probably maybe sometimes just make us think this - when you really, really get that we're bodies of water, we're selling ourselves. We, literally, are selling ourselves when we sell water. Because that has gone through the clouds, the trees, the animals, inside of the Earth, it's gone through our ancestors. And if nothing else, as a humanitary right, I think all people should be allowed to have water available to them for free. I think that we have commoditized so much stuff. And we've also polluted so much stuff. But we have the ability to come into reference.

And I'm sure you know there's a website called Find A Spring, where you can go and actually collect your own water.

Luke Storey: [01:12:00] Yeah. That's my friend, Chris, [inaudible] who does the live waters. It's the best.

Veda Austin: [01:12:03] He's offering the opportunity of pilgrimage to people to go and have a connection, a relationship with their water source. Because when we go to a store and we go to pick out whatever water there is and we're drinking it, we're not usually thinking about the fact that it came from some beautiful spring somewhere. We don't tend to make that kind of assessment, any more than we make an assessment of where meat comes from. We don't think of the animal when we're eating the meat. It's just meat and it's just water. We tend to not think about these things.

And that's why I think when you get in touch, if you eat meat, if you can have a relationship with your food and you do that yourself. If you can do that yourself and actually go through that process and give some respect to that animal that you've killed and going to eat, then, I think, that you would see the world slightly differently.

But we're so used to everything being packaged up for us that we tend to lose the relationship. I mean, I tend to see the world from that perspective, that convenience is one of those things that we're very fortunate to have in the West.

And I spent a lot of time in India and, actually, I've observed many things having spent time in places a lot of people wouldn't go to in India. And I noticed something actually very interesting where there were some ladies that were at a water pump and they were helping each other hold their sari under the tap. And they were coming from quite a poor area. And usually, though, when you get married, you will often have silk saris. And so, they were using a marital sari.

And the person was translating to me and said, they filter the water through silk because they know that that is going to help the water be cleaner for them. But, also, it helps them evolve in a spiritual way. And I thought that was so interesting. And then, I started diving into where Rudolf Steiner recommends exactly the same thing, how filtering through silk makes this huge structural change.

An emotional - I say emotional because I think water has an emotional state of health or energetic state of health. But, also, my partner and I were working on actually putting together something which is going to be so incredibly beautiful using silk filters. And so, even Gerry Pollock, who I had a conversation with a few weeks ago, said that even just sitting beside water, the water starts to build easy.

And so, when you think about silk, how it's prepared, how it's created, then you see that there is this little creature that is actually creating a cocoon to evolve, to transform. And that transformation process is very relative. And so, even in the middle of nowhere in India, these ladies are doing this process. And they have had the same information, different source.

And so, there are many different things to look at when it comes to how we can interact with water. But water doesn't like going through these right angles through piping. It doesn't enjoy that. It loves to flow and vortex. And so, I have a lot of compassion for tap water, you know, because it's gone through so many stresses.

And I did a study because it has such a specific look, tap water, that I wanted to see what would happen to it when you put it through a vortex or you put it into a singing bowl, maybe plain fruit bowl, and then freeze it and see if it changes anything. And so, when you used restructuring devices, you noticed that there was a change in crystallography.

But even more than that, even more than using these ways of restructuring, your conscious expression just holding a bottle of tap water to your heart for enough time that it gets to hear that heartbeat, when you're seated, your natural, calm heartbeat, it can transform it into water that can look like spring water.

Luke Storey: [01:17:21] Really?

Veda Austin: [01:17:22] Yes.

Luke Storey: [01:17:23] You could have saved me a lot of money. I love these water structuring devices. I have one a little handheld one by Natural Action that's really cool.

Veda Austin: [01:17:32] We have that, too.

Luke Storey: [01:17:33] Yeah. And then, you get one for you're swimming pool. And I got one for the whole house water. Then, this bottle right here, too, I wanted to show you by Leela Quantum Tech, they make these technology. That little cube over there, they make these. You know, whenever you use the word quantum, always like, "God. Sounds so fake." But they've done a number of studies actually with the Emoto Institute. This is a quantum energy infused water bottle that structures it.

And then, these guys, Somavedic, have also done some testing with Emoto, where they show that the influence of their technology on the water. But that's super funny, you're like, you can just hold a glass of water up to your heart and just feel good. And so, you found that human no technology method had, not only discernible, but perhaps even more identifiable effect on structuring water.

Veda Austin: [01:18:22] It does when you have a relationship with water.

Luke Storey: [01:18:25] Oh, okay. So, not just any person that's like, "Oh, yeah. I'm going to hold it up here and think happy thoughts."

Veda Austin: [01:18:32] It can make a difference even doing that. I mean, there's many studies done not only on water, but on people, where you can show someone a lot of attention and love and you can show someone a lot of the exact opposite, yell and scream and tell them that they're terrible and all this kind of stuff, and there are different effects on that person. But the child specifically that is ignored, or within Emoto's work, the rice experiments, the one that's ignored actually becomes the worst. It shows the worst structures.

And so, even if you are taking tap water and just going, "Oh, I'm just going to hold it and think something nice," at least you're showing some attention. You're giving it something. It doesn't change it chemically. But like I said, there is a kind of an emotional state of health. And I put that into a kind of I think of tap water similar to someone who's very sick. And that you still have a choice of being happy or sad, even though you might be medically sick.

And so, what I've seen is that because tap water can energetically structurally change, although it's chemically not changing, it's similar to a doctor might say you're still sick even if you're happy. But if someone comes to you and gives you a hug and makes you feel good, then any change is a positive change. If there's a positive change within the water, although there's not a chemical change, if you keep doing that, I'm pretty sure every single day a that is going to help your body heal because of the everyday input of positivity and feeling some kind of joy. Feeling something positive, I think, is going to make a much bigger change than you might even imagine.

We're always kind of taught that we need something outside of ourselves to heal. But we have all of the tools, really, within this incredibly sophisticated fluid body. You know, I think we kind of live in two worlds, the world we live on and the world we live in. Everything that we ever experience in this world is felt through this body. We see the world with these eyes that taken the information. We hear the world. We hear the words. We hear music through our ears. We touch with the sensations through the body. We taste within the body. Everything is felt within the system. Is there anything we actually experience outside of this body? And it's interesting because we can observe ourselves. So, there is something. How can we observe ourselves?

And so, when I think of the water, which is in this physical body - and I started to talk about two types of water - well, I think there's two types of water in people. I think that there is the water that we drink that hydrates us, and that goes throughout the system, and gives us our energy, and all these different processes that also passes through the body. But I think that there is a drop of consciousness within this body. And there's often throughout different philosophical texts, and religious texts, and various old ancient wisdoms that talk about a drop of consciousness that is within the body that animates the body.

 
Because there is something in the body. If somebody dies of natural causes, the brain and the organs, they're all still there, but nothing's working. The energy, isn't there to make everything work. And so, there is something missing. And I think when you start thinking of this kind of idea that perhaps there is two types of water in the body. That there is this this essence of water that holds our information, our real true nature.

Whenever I observe myself, I always feel like I'm about here looking in. And because I think electrical charge has an end light, has such a big role in water and consciousness - and I want to talk about light - but I think that this fluid body, that essence water, is attracted to the water that is in the air. So, we have that electrical charge that I was talking about. And I think that essence water or the subtle body or the spirit or the soul or whatever terms we might use, it is able to move in and out on this kind of electrical highway. And when we want to observe ourselves, it has the ability to come out and come back in again.

And I think, also, with dreaming, like often I've dreamt and I've seen myself walking around in my dreams. And I've done a really interesting study, because people say, "Well, your consciousness is affecting the water. It can't possibly be sovereign," which is fair enough. Imagining that water might be sovereign and have a voice seems pretty crazy to a lot of people. Most people are still getting around their head around the idea that water can store information.

But I've done a very lengthy study on dreams, where I'll put a petri dish of water beside my bed with the intention that it capture some part of my dream. And in the morning I'll freeze it and see if it will share any imagery relative to my dream. And, fortunately, I remember most of my dreams. And so, for each time I did that, I still get so surprised because I tend to stay in a place of curiosity, try to stay out of my own way with this work.

For example, I had a dream that I was in a sailboat and it was these massive waves and I was feeling so seasick. And it was just going on forever until we finally got to shore. And then, when I froze the water, there was a sailboat in the image with these giant waves. And so, it's interesting because when I'm asleep, I am not the conscious observer of the water. I'm in a subconscious or even unconscious space. So, it's as if the water was accompanying me as an observer.

Luke Storey: [01:25:16] This is bananas.

Veda Austin: [01:25:22] It's crazy and it's real. There's so many things that I don't share on social media because I'm like, "No one is going to believe this." It's so amazing, how can anyone even believe this? So, I share the stuff that people are able to see, that they could probably get their head around.

But I've interviewed a lot of people that have had near-death experiences. And because I think of this observer aspect with water, that three of those people that have technically died and come back alive again said that they felt themselves rising. And they looked down at their body whilst it was being resuscitated and they all said, "Oh, I hope that person's going to be okay." They had no attachment anymore to the physical body. They had just simply become an observer of what was going on. And they were able to come back to the body.

And it was interesting because I've read that there's still some kind of brain function going on even when the heart stopped beating for a certain amount of time. And even Gerry Pollock, in one of his interviews that we were listening to actually today, where he was talking about someone had done a study on rats that after they had been killed, water was able to still flow through the body. There were still some for about an hour, which was a very interesting observation.

And so, I think there is still some kind of an electrical charge coming off when there is still some life force energy. You know, like Thomas Romanus observed, there was something happening with that energy transfer from the organs to the frost. And so, they were all able to observe themselves. They've said they felt themselves rising.

Now, when a gas rises and when it expands, it's cold, which is then an alignment with people who say that they feel spirit as cold. And so, it also kind of goes into we're always told that spirit leaves the body, but never told how it does it. In my observations, I'm not saying that I know that this is a truth, but I hope one day technology would be able to actually show something. I mean, I have an idea that there's a vapor or the spirit looks somewhat like that. 

But I think because we know so little about the stages of water and the subtleties within them, that perhaps this kind of second water, this essence water within us goes from maybe a fluid into some kind of vibrational vapor that vibrates at a faster level so that we just simply can't see it. And in that, it's basically becoming a gas, in which case it's taking information and kind of taking it into another stage.

And when I touched on hydroglyphs, which is the kind of physical language of water, a man asked me, "Could you please ask water what death looks like? Could you write the word death and see what water might show me?" And so, I already had the hydroglyph for living, and the layered meaning of that is also gratitude. And so, I wrote the word death. And I got this living hydroglyph, and I'm like, "That can't be right." And I did it again. And I did it again. And I did 50 times. And I did it more than 50 times. And I kept seeing the same glyph. I'm like, "This is another meaning."

So, I don't think that water identifies death in the same way that we do because water never dies. We can call it dead water. We have these terms for polluted water that hasn't got good structure in these things, but that's a word we've given it. But it always evaporates.

Luke Storey: [01:29:56] This is super fascinating. I mean, a lot of it. But that right there, I had a realization about a year ago on a hunting trip, and I did a podcast about it where there's the whole story. But, essentially, I hadn't have been hunting since I was a little kid. It's never been my thing. But as you mentioned earlier, about the reconciliation of going to the origin of what you consume and being willing to participate in that.

So, I went hunting and I shot this boar. And then, subsequently, in that same trip, I had a psilocybin journey. And during that journey, I went into exploring the phenomenon of death, and also just reconciling the guilt, and all the stuff about actually killing an animal that I was going to eat. And it sounds so trite, it's hard to deliver it with the impact with which it was delivered unto me. But, essentially, the boiled down - no pun intended - version of it was that, death is a fallacy and that there is actually no reality that we know as death. That what we perceive to be death is that it's the transference of form into formless.

And it was so abundantly clear and, of course, I went to check myself like, are you just rationalizing that you killed something, which is another whole rabbit hole that I unpacked. But it was one of the most profound experiences of my life in that its after effect was a massive dissipation of my fear of death. It's not a thing.

So, when you say that about water not being able to actually express a non-reality. It only sees it as life because that's all there is. But from our kind of more limited and attached point of view, we see it as you're there now, you're alive. And if you're not animating your body, you're therefore dead. But we don't know that you're not still there. Maybe in this etheric form of water vapor or whatever that you describe, we don't really know. It's the mystery and the unknown. But that part is really fascinating to me as exploring the idea of death not being a reality.

Veda Austin: [01:32:11] And there's different ways to die and how you die. Some cultures have very, very focused on how you die. The Ancient Egyptians were very focused on how they died and what they did in this life to prepare them for the next. And many cultures are very focused on that.

And so, as a hunter, for example - I'm a vegetarian - but I really do my best - and, again, this is a conversation we had today - to take myself out of judgment. Well, if you are able to hunt, and kill, and eat your own food, it is an entirely different expression and experience than it is basically just going to the supermarket buying some packaged food and meat and cooking it at home. And you, at least in that moment, are able to honor that animal and even express gratitude for its life and really help its spirit to not be in trauma.

Because what I see in eggs is trauma. And if you think about how something dies or how someone dies, that's why it's so nice to be able to be surrounded by loved ones. One of the things that I think is very, very true is that we're all creating memories. One of the things we are taught through various different bodies of water science is that water stores information. That is exactly what we do from the moment we're conceived. We store information and memories. We make memories. We began this conversation a while ago, that is now a memory. Me just saying that is now a memory. Whenever we look back at our life, we are remembering our lives. Everything is a memory at the very end of your life.

My amazing, beautiful godfather, Dino, passed last year. And we spoke nearly every single day going on 20 something years. And what he did for me was leave an amazing memory in my heart. And I think one of the greatest gifts we can do is really leave beautiful memories in the hearts of others. Because all we ever do is create memories. And so, I think it's so beautiful, actually, that we're able to do that.

Even we see nature doing that. It's creating memories in the rings of trees. It creates memories in the core samples in the Antarctic. You can see in these ice, there's so much information. You know, it is this thing of which we're able to do and how are we able to do all of these things.

When you really dive into the area of water and consciousness, you can see how beautifully they are married. My friend Moses Heckman, he says that water is the glove on the hand of consciousness. And I think that is a really profound way of looking at this.

And as we kind of go along this journey, I've been sharing my work quite freely. And I was invited by a lot of well-meaning people to really, really monetize my work and charge a great deal amount of money for it, make it like the secret thing about how to do it. And I think whatever you do, you should always ask yourself why you're doing it in the first place.

And when I began this journey, it all happened so organically. Everything I've done has come just from some kind of inspired thought. Well, let me just try this. Let's see what happens. You know, it hasn't ever come from a place of how can I monetize this to, like, do blah, blah, blah.

And because I think of water in such a profound way, I think, well, water is showing me something that needs to be shared. And so, everything that I've done, I've made really affordable for people. And I've done just about as much pro bono stuff as I've done where people have kind of gone to learn my technique and go to my workshops and do this.

And I want to actually offer a course where I can teach parents homeschooling their children and choosing to go down that route, so their children can can see how water responds to them. And I always say, when you're beginning this work, don't kind of go from zero to hero. Don't go into it expecting water to show you a face, or an image, or any of those things. Start in the beginning. This is a relationship that we're learning about.

Where it's very similar to human relationships whereby you want to get to know someone. Say, you're really attracted to somebody and you ask them out, and they say yes and they're attracted to you. And you go out on a date and you go to a restaurant. And the waiter or the waitress will come and serve you. And there are lots of people having conversations around you.

But your focus is really on that person. You're looking at the way they smile, looking at their eyes, listening to their voice. There is so much information you're taking in by your observation of them and them of you. And you really aren't really aware even of what's going on around you. Your focus is there. So, in the early days of relationship and as you get to know someone better, you become a lot more relaxed. They get to know your little idiosyncrasies, like if you don't put the lid on things to tie it. Like, that's me.

Luke Storey: [01:38:28] Oh, my God. That is so funny, when we were driving last night, Alison handed me her little Rashay chocolate drink, and I took some of it. And she's like, "Oh, I want the rest. Saved me some." And I said sure, and I handed it back. And she went to shake it up and it went all over the car. She was like, "Why didn't you put the lid on it?" "Because you said you're about to drink it." It's hilarious.

Veda Austin: [01:38:46] It's a real thing. And we had this. And then, even within families, they don't care if your hair is perfect or you wake up and your breath could kill a goat or something. Nobody's caring about those kinds of things.

And this is what I've observed in my relationship with water. Water teaches me about love. Water really is the elixir of love in many ways. And that your focus, your relationship with the external expression of love, which is to me, water, it's showing you, firstly, it's transparent, it's non-judgmental. It will go into the body of an ant as easily as it will go into the body of a king or a beggar. You know, it really doesn't carry any judgment.

And within those expressions, we have a choice to be also that way. And what I see with teaching people how to do this work is just observe water first. Observe the patterns it normally makes. Then, when it feels right, maybe get a singing bowl and put that water in there and play it. And then, see how it's changed. See that you've done something to it that has made it energetically move. You've moved it. We understand what it feels to be moved. We only need to listen to a piece of music that just makes us feel something, it gives us goosebumps. Like, all those things, this wave comes through us of emotion.

And I always think of tears actually being emotion that we can feel, and see, and taste, and touch. And if eyes are the windows to the soul, then tears are an expression of spirit. And so, as people start forming relationships, what you start to see is that water starts to become responsive. It starts to feel safe. It starts to show, not only pictures, but it starts to create in these hydroglyphs. And you start seeing messages. And then, as your relationship develops, it's just like being with a spiritual teacher, you start to really observe that there is so much more here and there is so much depth. And it's always a reflection of yourself.

It's so decentralized this work because it's not all about me having this amazing relationship with water, and people call me the water whisperer and all this stuff. But so much about my work, and this work, and what has worked with me is that I'm just simply showing the world what water is showing me. And each person can have a relationship by just getting a petri dish, most people have a phone with a camera on it, and a freezer. They don't need any expensive equipment or any of these things. All they teach you is kind of the ins and outs.

People ask me like, "Does my freezer have to be empty? Do I have to get into the Zen space?" and all these kinds of things?. Firstly, your freezer is usually full of frozen food. And anything that is frozen is in a kind of state of suspension. It's not giving out energy.

Luke Storey: [01:42:17] Interesting. So, you're not going to get, like, chicken nugget shaped water crystals.

Veda Austin: [01:42:21] No. You don't have to worry about that. Because people really worry about that. But, also, a lot of people think that they need to be in a really Zen space. And that also then comes back to relationship. If you can, if your real life allows you to be in a beautiful meditative space with incense and candles or whatever is going on, then you have water in that space, water is going to love that, of course. Because people love to be in that space. It's nice to decompress and relax.

But in real life, in real relationship - especially for me, I have three children. Actually, three doctors told me that I would never be able to have children after having that car accident I talked about. So, I had a child for every doctor that told me I couldn't because I hate being told what I can't do - it was important for people to, I guess, hear sometimes you have a choice in the moment that you're told you have something or that you can't do something. You have a choice to believe it and completely go down there, and feel that, and be your truth. Or you can just put it on the shelf and go, "Well, who knows?"

We don't have to believe everything we're told. And we don't have to believe everything we read. Everything we feel, we experience. What we experience in the world becomes our perception of it. That's why I feel like we have these two worlds. And this world we live in, there's so much going on in this world and it's very unique. And so, we do have choice. We do have choice of perception.

Like, I really love Viktor Frankl, Man Search for Meaning. And it really being about, not just looking for happiness, but really looking for meaning. Because meaning means that when you are passion-driven, when you are living a life that you feel has purpose and meaning, those days you don't want to get up, you just feel tired and you want lie in and do all of that, there's a purpose behind getting up. There's a reason for it. And truth is, we don't always feel happy. We can feel content, which is actually one of the most amazing feelings to everyday have a feeling of contentment.

But when you're in a world of chaos, at least you have a choice to actually have some order within yourself. It's very difficult when we're seeing so much crazy stuff going on in the world and there's many things that many of us are not happy with. But within this realm of water, what I keep seeing is when I am frustrated, when I'm angry, water won't design anything with me. It's not because it doesn't want to. It's because I don't think that water actually resonates at a frequency that is in that kind of more dense space.

What I think actually is that, even if I'm sad, water will respond very beautifully with me. There's compassion there. But if I'm stupid enough to just think that it's a good idea to do some crystallography after I've just been in heaps of traffic and the children have been driving me crazy or something, and I think I'll just do this crystallography now, it just won't work. It won't do it at all.

And, actually, there is a lady that's working with me now. She lives in Slovenia. And I have this private Facebook Group for people that are actively using my technique and sharing their work. There's about 300 people in it. And you have to have my technique to be able to be in the group because I want to make sure everybody is doing the same thing. And there's some incredible stuff being shared in there. And that's what's exciting. What excites me most is seeing other people do this. And seeing how their relationship with themselves, and other people, and the natural world, and water shifts and changes.

And she started sharing in this group, this lady. And I reached out to her because she shared this image of her dogs appeared in the ice. I really wanted to know about that. Well, firstly, six months prior she'd been using my technique. This was before hydroglyphs ever came into being. And she said, she wasn't seeing anything incredible but she did it every day for six months. I'm like, "Wow. You are just an inspiration. Most people would have given up ages ago." And she said, "No. I felt there was something really to this." And she'd also gone through some emotional stuff and kind of had come out the other end.

And she said all of a sudden, she started getting imagery, like mine. And so, the story behind what she saw is that she had asked water to show her some tulips. But all week, she'd been worried about her dog. She had two dogs, one who had died and one that was going through some sickness. And one was like an Afghan and one was a Whippet. And they are very specific looking dogs. And so, when she froze the ice asking it to show her these tulips, what it did was show her two dogs, one bigger dog and one smaller dog.

And she was like, "But it didn't show me these big tulips." But as she went looking, there were these teeny tiny tulips in the ice. But it showed her the dogs. And she said, "I asked it to show me tulips." But all week she was thinking about her dogs. And I said, "Well, water doesn't do small talk. It doesn't want to just show that it's a photocopier. It's showing you that it sees you." It is a mirror whenever you think about water and we look into a puddle.

Someone actually suggested this idea, you know, we see ourselves looking into the water, but what if water is also seeing us? And there is this kind of interaction going on? And so, she was so blown away by that. And I see that a lot.

There's one lady in this group who had lost her cat. In New Zealand, cats just love outside when they can go and do whatever they want at night. Nothing is going to kill them. But here in America, it's not so safe, there's coyotes and those stuff going on. And so, she was really worried, it had been missing for three or four days. And she asked -

Luke Storey: [01:49:35] You guys don't have coyotes?

Veda Austin: [01:49:36] We don't have anything that will kill you in New Zealand.

Luke Storey: [01:49:39] Really?

Veda Austin: [01:49:39] No. Australia has everything over there. But, anyway, she asked the water, "Is my cat even still alive? Where is it?" And she shared the picture. And there's this arrow pointing to what looks like some part of her garden. But it also pointed to the hydroglyph for living. And so, I reached out and I said, "Well, you know what I see? I'm just telling you what I see. I don't know, but the arrow is pointing to a hexagon," which essentially means living. And so, maybe I think it's saying your cat's alive. And then, the next day the cat appeared and the cat was just a bit thinner, but the cat was alive.

And one of the most interesting ones was this man taught his daughter how to do this work, and she had her crystallography. And in the crystallography was a ladder, which is the hydroglyph for stairway or to climb up. There was the hydroglyph for danger, which is the dagger, and there were two daggers. And there was the hydroglyph for rise up, which is a long leaf shape. And so, when you put all of that together, essentially, the meaning is to be careful climbing or rising up something.

So, it was before I shared about this hydroglyphs and I said, "Listen, I've been doing this work, could you just tell your daughter to just be a little bit careful if she's climbing up something." And he got back to me within seconds and he wrote, "LOL. Tomorrow, we're going to this place called Go Ape, where we're going to be climbing up these rope ladders and doing all kinds of crazy stuff. I'll make sure to tell her to be careful."

And so, I've seen that quite often where water can show you stuff that's about to happen. And water can show you something from 100 years ago. Well, literally, I've gone to a spring where there was a lot of Maori settlement in New Zealand, and I collected some water from that area. And when I froze it, the image - one of my favorite images actually - where there was this house that looked like it was on stilts. But it had a very specific look about it and I thought, "You know what? That looks like a Maori pātaka," which is like a food storage hut that they used to build on stilts.

And so, going through historical books in that area, there was this historical sketch of a pātaka that looked like you could have almost put the ice image on top of it, and they were just so similar. And so, this is incredible to me because water is showing me something that is almost a memory or a resonance or a bioresonance from a period of time where they would actually take gourds and store the water in them and sometimes store them in these food storage huts. 

I mean, there's many different stories that I could share about water sharing me things that were about to happen. But then, going into the realm of spirit, perhaps, might be something which is also interesting because my mother, who was literally a walking angel on this planet, she passed in 1999. And we would write letters to each other when I lived in Japan, and this was before cell phones and computers and all this kind of thing. And at the end of every letter, my mother would attempt to draw a circle, because her circles were really bad and they always looked like misshapen rotis. And in the middle of that she would draw a heart.

And so, I said to water, "Can you connect to my mom? And I got this misshapen circle with a heart in the middle. And then, every year now on her birthday, I'll ask the same question, and I see the same image appear on the ice. And I think what it suggests is really that thing we talked about, how water really doesn't identify death in the same way that we do. And we talk about the veil in between realms and in between worlds. And even the concept of a veil as this kind of a mist.

And after speaking to so many people also who have had near-death experiences, and I've also had one myself, I would say, whereby there is this knowing that the essence of who we are simply transmutes into a different phase, into to a different state. And within that state, we are really observing things. We are having an experience still. So, we identify so much with the body because we see it, we feel it, we touch it. But when we touch it, like what's really going on in the experience? If you touch yourself, there's the sensation of touch. Again, feeling everything within this fluid system.

And I think with the egg test where we can see that just by in proximity, there can be healing, I think that if we think about what Bruce Lee said - it was amazing - and so many people have heard and quoted, like, "Water. Water becomes the cup, becomes the teapot." And he's saying to be like water but, actually, who knows what water is like? I'm pretty sure he knew what water was like. It doesn't just into something to become something. You know, water has all of these qualities of which we can actually really identify with in very beautiful, harmonious, nonjudgmental and spiritual ways.

And by seeing it in this way and if you think of your body as a container, there have been great people in this world, that have graced this world, saints, enlightened people, my teacher, he told me that people that are divine have divine energy that completely fill the container of the human. Then, that energy, that vibration, that frequency, will touch people that they will never ever meet.

You know, people talk about how can I change the world? Like, what can I do when the world is just so crazy and all this? And it's an inside job. If we simply recognize ourselves as divine temples of water and that we, ourselves, really have the community within the cells of just the most incredible source, like water to me is not a resource, it is source, as I've mentioned before, and we have the ability to communicate with this spark of life within us, this beautiful kind of essence within us, we have the ability to really fill this body with such beautiful divinity that doesn't come from a place of ego, that doesn't come from a place outside of ourselves.

We're given this gift of life on purpose. And we are able to share that energy. It doesn't matter if you can't walk. It doesn't matter if you can't see. It doesn't matter if we have all of these issues. The point of that is that we have a choice to to be free to express what it is to feel and be divine. You know, that should never come from some place of ego. That comes from a fact.

You know, in that accident I told you about, I was in the Christchurch earthquakes. There was really big, terrible earthquakes in New Zealand that happened. The day before the second one, I was sharing the story about the car accident to my friend that had come down to see me to Christchurch because that's where it was. And my son, Rama, who was nearly three - and I've never shared that story with him. It's not usually something you share with little children. He was hiding behind the cupboard, and I didn't know he was there and he was listening to the whole conversation, as children do, they're very sneaky.

And so, after I finished talking about it, he jumped out, he jumped on my lap and he said, "I remember that, Mommy. I remember coming down out of the clouds and I went like this and I saved you. And when I knew you were okay, I climbed back up the ladder into the clouds." He said he even remembered the window wipers and the tires. And in those moments when I think about my little guy, my little Rama - Rama the Trauma - and you think about what we don't know, we don't know so much.

But in this world and in this life that we're so blessed to have, I think, we can rest assure that we are meant to be. And that there wasn't a mistake. No matter how awful your childhood might have been, no matter what you might have been told, you were not a mistake. And that's what I keep seeing in water. Water keeps reminding me, seeing me.

I had this amazing guy, John, who's part of the group, that is helping us discover more layers of hydroglyphs. And he's fortunate enough to be able to set an intention and then freeze the water outside because he lives somewhere where it's so cold. He's actually able to see it freeze not in a freezer, which is fabulous because it suggests it's not the freezer setting that's making it happen. And his images are amazing.

And he keeps seeing what we call the creation glyph, which are like these little seeds and all these waves that take up the entire petri dish. It's one of my favorite most beautiful images. And he kept getting it over and over and over again. He said, "I just don't know what water is trying to tell me." And he's a biodynamic farmer. And he is planting seeds and they are growing. He's seeing creation. He's seeding creation all the time. He saw his work was just so incredibly beautiful.

And I said, "Well, how does it feel to you if water is showing you a reflection of yourself? Showing you that in this space, you are the creator, and you have appreciation for the creation." And I think that's very important to look at the relationship between creator and created. It's a very special relationship that we have. I said, "What if it's showing you how special you are?" And he said, "Oh, yeah. But everybody's special in their own way. I don't know how I could be that special."

And I think that's a problem so many of us have, the idea that we could be that special. That water is seeing us and reflecting us in such profound ways, it's almost hard for people to accept how beautiful we are. I mean, I'm coming from the same place. I struggle.

I'm in a relationship with the most incredible man of my life that I could be so blessed to have found again. But we have a big age gap. I'm older than him. And talk about confronting. You know, if I stay in the space of feeling like am I pretty enough, am I young enough, am I this enough, am I that enough, all the things that so many women question about themselves. There's so much insecurity that comes with how we perceive ourselves in the way that we look. And it's so real for so many people, men and women.

And yet when I go into a space, it's really the water space. You know, it's that space of creation where we are able to identify ourselves as a divine spark, as an expression of something that is meant to be. And in that space, I don't care about all that stuff. What I see when I'm with him is someone who is worthy, is someone who is loved for exactly how I can be. He is that safe space container for me to be whatever I need to be in. And in that space, it's amazing because I can be four seasons in one day, of which he would tell you that I am. And he is mostly sunny.

But the depths that we can go to together in those spaces where I'm not, like, caught up and caring about what other people might think or what I think about any insecurity that I might have or he might have, we had learning to create together. And when you start even delving into realms where intimacy is involved, we talk about intimacy sometimes in a frivolous kind of way.

But when you think about even just drinking water, you are inviting something to enter your mouth, and enter inside of you, and then become you. That's just drinking water. Then, you take it to another level and then you have intimacy between two conscious bodies of water, which are electrical, which absorb light from each other, which share information, this is really the kind of idea of Kundalini, where you are sharing intimacy that moves itself, entwines itself, shares itself to create something new.

And creating something new doesn't have to be a child. Creating a new energy is like the vortex of life where two people come together and breathe together and share together and consciously intertwine in this world of fluidity. And when you're in those spaces, it can take you to places that plant medicines and all of these other things are not even necessary. You are actually truly able to embody something completely spiritual in its essence.

And when you align with someone whose desire for that is the same as yours, and you kind of merge in that space, there is no form. There is no you or me. There really is no things that are confining you. You simply are in that space of truth. And it's so unique and it's so incredibly profound. And I think that when we're in those spaces, sometimes it's not even sexual. Sometimes it can just be the breath that's so intimate. Sometimes just seeing each other. If you look at someone for long enough, you'll see them.

So often people cry when they're held for longer than two minutes. People are not used to being held or hugged or seen anymore. When we take time to really look at someone, like really see them, you're not looking at the body, you're looking at them. We're not this physical. We are in some ways, of course, we see this physical. But we are so much more than that.

Like, really, when you really see someone, you feel them, you feel who they are. And it doesn't matter what they've done, or what they look like, or any of those things. Because all we really have is this moment. Everything else is a memory or everything else is imagination. All we really have is now. And in those spaces there is the truth. There is the freedom. And there is the love.

Luke Storey: [02:07:56] Damn. Oh, my God. You're talking about this guy, right?

Veda Austin: [02:08:00] That guy, yeah.

Luke Storey: [02:08:01] That is so beautiful. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for this moment.

Veda Austin: [02:08:13] There really are an expression of spirit.

Luke Storey: [02:08:20] If we weren't actually making a podcast, I would just sit here and enjoy the silence between us and the beautiful etheric realm that you just - I won't say manifested, but just acknowledged, right? It's like we don't even have to create moments of magic, and love, and connection. It's really almost just relinquishing or surrendering that which is obscuring it. It's just this is always here, right?

Veda Austin: [02:08:50] It is. And, honestly, this is why I say water is like the elixir of love. Because even through conception, it's incredibly informed water merging together.

Luke Storey: [02:09:08] Oh, my God. Right?

Veda Austin: [02:09:10] Yeah. Everything in life that is conceived is conceived through some kind of fluid. It's held within some kind of fluid. Even frog eggs, they're in this kind of gel. You know, all life comes from some fluid. And there is information in that fluid. And I think there is ancestral information in that fluid. And these things, I mean, even in our mother's stomach, there is so much information that is being so absorbed. And these watery realms, there's so much for us. There is so much for us in this world, even the people that can't go very far, or travel, or they're confined, they feel confined.

I haven't done it actually for a while, it's nice to talk about. When I had my wellness center, I would talk people through this little kind of meditation whereby I said to them, I would like you to imagine that in your hand you hold this little boat. It's like an open boat, a little dinghy. I don't know if you call them anything different.

Luke Storey: [02:10:29] Yeah. We have dinghies.

Veda Austin: [02:10:31] Okay. So many words in New Zealand we use, and often people have no idea what I'm talking about. Okay. So, it's this little dinghy, that can be any color you like. And inside the boat, you put a candle, but it's not lit yet. And you need to know that when you light the candle, it can't go out no matter what, whether it's in water, nothing can happen to it. The light will always stay on.

So, I say to them, light the candle and now hold this little boat with the candle that's got the flame, and walk your way through this forest. And on the floor of the forest is this beautiful, soft moss. And you don't have shoes on, you can feel it, you can see your footprints going down. You know, some of that moss can be so thick and soft, and you're walking through this forest. And you can see all this dappled light. And there's a little deer that kind of looks at you and then kind of moves off. And you can hear the rustling of the trees. And you kind of just walk through this forest.

And you can see the light of your candle and you're holding this boat that seems kind of like, "Why am I holding a boat?" But it doesn't matter. And you go through. And after a while you can hear some water running. And as you start to make your way through, you come to this clearing. And in the clearing, there is this beautiful stream, and there's a tiny little waterfall, and there's this big rocks around the stream. And one of them is really big, and wide, and flat. And the sun has been, like, beating on it. And it looks super comfortable because you've been in this kind of dark space of the forest.

And so, you put your little boat with the candle inside down for just a minute. And it's fine. It's safe. And you put your stomach onto this rock and you feel this beautiful heat on your chest and it's so lovely. And you look into the water. And when you look down into the water, the water is beautiful and clear. And you see the tiny little fish darting around. And you see the little colors that are from the pebbles that are inside of the water.

And then, when you're ready, you can just move over and pick your little boat up with the candle. And then, you place it without letting it go. You just place it into the water and you can feel it wants to go. And then, when it feels right for you, you just let that little boat go. And you see the boat moving down and around on its organic way taken by the water, trusting that your light will never go out. And you watch it go down this little waterfall and you see the light still going. And then, you see it go around a corner into this darker area of forest you haven't been to.

And then, I invite you to, in your mind's eye, follow it. And as you follow it, you can see that the light is shining brighter because you're in a darker, denser part of this forest. And then, you feel it's starting to cool down because it's starting to light, starting to go down, it's starting to get dark. And you hear the birds kind of moving to go into the trees and nestle in for the night. And after a while, all you can really see is this little light. And you see it go down into this pool. And you know that the pool is deep and dark and beautiful, and it's surrounded by forest, but you can't see any of that anymore.

And as you're looking at your little light, and you're seeing it, and you know that it's surrounded by all these things, but you can't see any of that, I say, "Now, look up." And you look up and see the moon and the stars. And see that your little light is every bit as bright and beautiful as all of this incredible lights in the universe. And recognize that in that moment.

And then, I say, "Now, take your little boat with your candle. And look at the candle. And turn that light white." And then, imagine that that white light is actually encapsulating your entire body and really see the outline of your body in this beautiful kind of vibrant white light. And see the outline, really see the outline of your body.

And then, I say the most important thing now is to then take away the outline. And you see that, actually, light just expands. Light is such an incredible thing that we don't need to be held within this container that we see as the physical. When you fill that container with light and you take the outline away, then all there is, is light. And light does what it does. It expands. It shines. We're so afraid to shine. It's so comfortable to not shine the brighter that we can be.

Actually, it's interesting, when I take it back a little bit, this indigenous woman once said to me she she could speak to bees. She said she could communicate with bees and she would watch the bees in their hive. And she said that she would watch them for hours and hours and hours. And then, a bee came out and said to her in its own way, "We don't mind you looking at our hive, but please don't look at it for hours on end because your consciousness is putting too much light in the hive."

And that really made a trigger for me because I'm like, if consciousness puts light into what we focus on, that makes sense in relationship to light and water. So, when you form this kind of relationship and you put your conscious expression towards this water within the work that I am working with, then there is this invisible bond that happens. And even in the very practical sense of easy water being able to absorb more light when your conscious expression is expressed within this watery realm.

Because I've taken a very important photograph where you see this chute of ice coming out, but around it is this light, like a halo, like an aura. And I think that water users light to design. And the more light it can absorb, the more it can design. And if you're consciously aware of that water, you're giving it more light to help to create.

And even in various tics and things like that, it says that God spoke upon the waters. And, really, exactly what we're doing, we're speaking upon water and then we are seeing creation happen. We're going from the impersonal to the personal, the invisible to the visible, from the unseen to the seen, from molecular chaos to molecular order. It's very interesting.

Luke Storey: [02:17:50] Yeah. No shit. Oh, man. It's so good. So good. Thank you so much for the work that you're doing. And, God, I'm sitting here just basking in all of this and unpacking it as you speak. Really, I love your perspective and just the way that you see things and share them is so beautiful. I think this is going to be a really impactful conversation for many people.

Veda Austin: [02:18:17] Thank you.

Luke Storey: [02:18:18] Yeah. Yeah. And I'm glad you got to touch on, like, because there's one thing in my notes I wanted to to speak to that a little bit, but I think we've covered everything I could have ever dreamt of and more.

I want to remind people that you can find the show notes at lukestorey.com/veda, V-E-D-A. And we'll definitely be putting some of your work in there.

I think in closing, perhaps you could outline what you have going currently in terms of people learning how to do this themselves. You mentioned the Facebook Group, and I perused your site when I first found. You haven't been on there in a while. But if somebody wanted to start exploring this realm themselves, what would be a good thing for them to do to start that?

Veda Austin: [02:19:01] Yeah. Well, what I will say is I made everything super affordable. So, I don't want people to reason for not doing this work is because they can't afford it. So, people can get my PDF from my website, which just is the step by step guide how to do the technique. You can get the list of hydroglyphs there. So, if you're not seeing imagery, you might see actual more sophisticated messages. You can get them together. You can get the whole bundle of my dreams study that I've also shared, and a whole study on salt, which I really think is amazing. Personally, I love the whole synergy of salt and water. And that's on my website, which is vedaaustin.com.

And, also, I do workshops, where it's a Zoom workshop where people can come on and I teach them, and I help them with their freezing settings, and timing, and knowing how to look for those two stages of water.

And on Instagram, vedaaustin_water, and on Facebook. And I share lots and lots of videos actually on my website.

Luke Storey: [02:20:08] I've watched some of those, very, very cool. You have an incredible library on your site. I think a lot of people that do video and visual work will just put it on their social media and you go to their site, "Where's all that stuff?" But you have a really vast library of all your work on there, which is very cool.

Veda Austin: [02:20:24] Yeah. Well, I mean, I've been doing it for so long and I'm so prolific, really. There's not usually a day. It's been a few days now because we've been travelling. But there's not usually a day that goes by where I don't do this work.

Luke Storey: [02:20:38] I wanted to ask you, so our friend at Live Waters that makes these these flower of life vessels, do you think it's likely that if you took some water in this glass and put it in one of your petri dishes and froze it, it would show something like this?

Veda Austin: [02:20:51] Oh, I've used this. Now I know it's the same person. The beautiful round container that I've got, I've done the crystallography of it and it showed a flower of life. It was really, really cool. I'll send it to you.

Luke Storey: [02:21:03] That's awesome. I'll send it to Chris. I mean, you guys should know each other, I feel anyway, because he's such a water fanatic. He's now the steward of findaspring.com, which was started by another friend of ours, Daniel Vitalis. He's one of the guys that kind of helped me get back into spring water collecting many years ago after having kind of lost it. As a kid, I used to go with my grandma. So, yeah, there's a great synergy there.

Man, thank you so much. This has been just beautiful and incredible. I'm so glad we were able to sit down in person too. This wouldn't have been the same across the waters. So, thank you so much.

Thank you, Alison, for coming by and gracing us in the finale here. It's so good to see you.

Man, this was a good one. We're getting into some real heavy stuff there in the best sense. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Well, I think that's it. Safe travels to you until I see you again.

Veda Austin: [02:22:03] Thank you.

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