[00:00:00] Ky Dickens: There's a lot of scientists working on the cutting edge of really interesting research, but who've been like, I won't even look at the research, and these other scientists are doing that are saying that there's some really valid evidence for things like telepathy and remote viewing and psych abilities, because it just doesn't fit into the paradigm.

[00:00:12] Ky Dickens: That seems like you're a closed-minded believer.

[00:00:14] Luke Storey: The way I experience life these days is definitely from the perspective that consciousness is the foundation of everything.

[00:00:23] Ky Dickens: If you were to keep all the textbooks the same physiology, if physics and biology just put consciousness on the bottom of the pyramid, suddenly you can account for everything else.

[00:00:31] Ky Dickens: Many non-speaking individuals have reported things to their family that blows their mind, such as, I can reach your thoughts, or I play with grandma all the time, I'm not lonely. Well, grandma passed away. If this is real and this is possible, then what else is possible that we might have dismissed?

[00:00:55] Luke Storey: Okay, Kai, so in all of the experiences you've had in [00:01:00] the, uh, paranormal realm, uh, of telepathy and all of the things that you've been, uh, studying and documenting, what is the single strangest thing you've experienced or witnessed?

[00:01:12] Ky Dickens: Hmm. That's a really hard question because it's the cumulative effect of everything.

[00:01:19] Ky Dickens: I think that has had the most profound impact. I actually think it's impossible to pick one thing, you know, because this journey, it started with telepathy, um, and witnessing that over and over again. I, I mean, okay. I actually can't, I can speak to the, I think the most incredible thing that happened, and it's gonna be in the film and I don't wanna talk about it too much, but, you know, in a formal telepathy trial that we were covering in the film, and, and this was going on with an um, you know, scientist that.

[00:01:47] Ky Dickens: I had never, you know, it's not Dr. Hennessy Powell. It was a different neuroscientist that was trying to like, kind of replicate that work and test if telepathy could be done, um, from a long distance in different rooms and um, [00:02:00] or different states. And she and her team were having success, um, from different states and in different rooms.

[00:02:06] Ky Dickens: So this is the gold standard, right? A triple blind telepathy test. And we were able to join her team, um, for one day to kind of film it on that day. The nons speakers instead kind of started using remote viewing to help in a way like sal, a missing persons case. And it was. Unbelievable because they were conveying information around about a place they'd never been to.

[00:02:31] Ky Dickens: And it was really evidential and we caught it all on camera. And I think it might be one of the most spontaneous validations of telepathy or remote viewing kind of two things at once, you know, that might have ever happened in a lab that I know of. 'cause it's hard to capture that stuff in a controlled setting.

[00:02:46] Ky Dickens: So that was pretty remarkable.

[00:02:48] Luke Storey: Wow. Wow. Yeah, I think, um, the work you're doing is so important because. These ideas have existed on the [00:03:00] fringes for conspiracy theorists and people that are just really curious and about, uh, about things that are not normal. Right? I used to listen to the Art Bell show, I don't know if you're familiar

[00:03:11] Ky Dickens: mm-hmm.

[00:03:11] Luke Storey: For a long time back in the day. And Art Bell had an AM radio show that was syndicated nationally, and he'd have, you know, all kinds of people on talking about bigfoot and ghosts and remote viewing and telepathy and UFOs and all the things. And, you know, probably 10% of the things sounded like they could be legitimate.

[00:03:29] Luke Storey: Um, but even that was enough to keep my interest. But they weren't, you know, these were people calling in on a show, like speaking of their experiences where they weren't documented as you've done in your amazing podcast, the telepathy tapes, and now this, uh, film that you're working on, which I'm excited to hear about.

[00:03:47] Luke Storey: But you know, in the traditional, uh, kind of institutional sense, I mean, we know the CIA has been involved in remote viewing and it's like the government in the military have paid attention to [00:04:00] these phenomenon to some degree. So it's interesting to me that there's such a chasm between, you know, the kind of new age conspiracy minded people that are really down with all this.

[00:04:09] Luke Storey: And then what you think of traditional scientists and scholars who kind of scoff at anything that's not. Out of the material world. So I love that you're bridging, you know, real verifiable data with this phenomenon. I just, I think it's a huge leap forward in terms of our understanding of consciousness and, you know, what we're doing here.

[00:04:28] Luke Storey: What, what is the meaning of life? Why are we in a body? Um, and also giving us hope that there's more going on when you leave the body.

[00:04:36] Ky Dickens: Mm-hmm.

[00:04:36] Luke Storey: You know, I'm, I'm a big fan of near death experiences and have simulated a number of them through psychedelic experiences myself. So I'm thoroughly convinced that there's more to this reality than meet the eye.

[00:04:47] Luke Storey: But what you're doing is just incredible. So, uh, for people that aren't familiar with your work and your podcast, maybe just give us a little overview of how you sort of stumbled your way [00:05:00] into that world, and then we can dive into some of the, you know, the things that you've discovered and are continuing to discover.

[00:05:06] Ky Dickens: Yeah, I think that's a great place to start, you know, so prior to anything to do with the telepathy tapes, I was a documentary filmmaker, focused mostly on social issues that I felt could better than American public, right? Like access to affordable healthcare and stuff like that. Just typical run of the mill social issues.

[00:05:24] Ky Dickens: And would, you know, as a voracious reader, like nonfiction, newspapers, science magazines all the time? Like I, I, you know, uh, pretty nerdy I think in a lot of ways and. Never would've entertained the idea that something like telepathy or, you know, uh, psychic abilities or remote viewing could be real. It wasn't even something on my radar.

[00:05:45] Ky Dickens: It just was something so far from anything I was interested in. Really after like the death of two really good friends, I kind of, you know, who were in the prime of their lives, like really good parents and you know, just the type of people that should not have been killed. Um, [00:06:00] I was very much in the throes of like, what does this all mean?

[00:06:04] Ky Dickens: And, you know, why am I spending so much time focusing on focusing on the ills of society when there's so much brokenness and humanity, like what happens to us? Just all those questions. And as a documentary filmmaker, there's often like. Months, if not years. Actually for me it's years of like research and research that even goes into a topic before I start filming something or pitching something.

[00:06:26] Ky Dickens: And so I was like, if I'm gonna be an expert on something, I wanna start going in on this. Like, what is this all, like what, what does it all mean? And I didn't know where that would lead. I had no idea. Um, and I stumbled across the work of Dr. Hennessy, Diane Hennessy Powell, who at the time had been really doing incredible research on non-speaking individuals with severe.

[00:06:45] Ky Dickens: Apraxia, which is a mind body disconnect. Um, and often qualified as like, you know, really severe level three autism as well. Um, who were saying that they could read minds. It was part and parcel of like, because the other sense of not being able to [00:07:00] speak often, not being able to control their body and often not knowing they even have a body as many non-peak have shared, you know, to to this population.

[00:07:06] Ky Dickens: They were saying this is very normal. Like telepathy was just, that was like something that kind of turned on and I was like, what? And she said that she'd done Stu, you know, um, uh, she'd studied this be doing message passing between a partition where she shows a parent or a spelling coach or something, some, you know, uh, a mid image or word.

[00:07:24] Ky Dickens: And then the child on the other side of this partition can accurately spell it out and often it's 99 to a hundred percent of the time, which just sounded remarkable to me. So I started documenting some of her work and wanting to see this with my own eyes, and we started. You know, um, I started traveling with her to, as she was doing some of this research, and it was so compelling and convincing.

[00:07:47] Ky Dickens: And then I started meeting more families because, you know, Diane was as she should be, like, really focused on the science. And I was kind of like, wait, but how many people are there? Do you have friends that can do this? And how well known is this? And just tumbled into [00:08:00] this world. That felt like the best kept secret in humanity, that so many of the parents, coaches, teachers, teachers, rabbis, ministers, everyone in between, um, uh, paraprofessionals, psychologists, principals, knew that this was happening.

[00:08:14] Ky Dickens: It was not a secret that this was like a common knowledge in the world of nons speakers and. That stumbled into what became the first season of the Sloppy Tapes. Um, but what happened to me, and I think what happened to a lot of listeners too is like, if this is real and this is possible, then what else is possible that we might have dismissed?

[00:08:34] Ky Dickens: So season two that came out last fall really looks at that and we take a. Deeply scientific, like rigorous approach to like near-death experiences. Like when did they start? What do they happen around the world? What happens with different religions? Like what are the best near-death experiences that we can look at?

[00:08:49] Ky Dickens: Mediumship, we try to look at the best medium in the world and the scientific research done around her. And can she do this if she's not in the same room with people she knows and you know, what does that look [00:09:00] like? Behind a qe, like with a EEG exam. And we looked at the creative process and all the hundreds of thousands of artists and writers, and even mathematicians and such who say that information comes to them from a download.

[00:09:14] Ky Dickens: True genius inspiration often comes, um, fully formed. And, um, and this idea that writers like Liz Gilbert, um, truly deeply believe that ideas have a consciousness and will of their own. We looked at energy healing and healers shrinking cancer cells in Petri dishes in a faraday cage, and some of the cutting edge science going on around energy healing that is showing that this is a real thing.

[00:09:37] Ky Dickens: So what ended up happening is kind of a new, I guess, career for me, uh, passion of trying to put what would seem like woo woo things through a, through scientific rigor to see if it stands up. And what's fascinating is when you start digging and really looking into this. There's so much there that there's not much that needs to be taken on [00:10:00] faith alone, really, because I think a lot of it can be researched and looked at and validated in profound ways.

[00:10:07] Luke Storey: That's incredible. You know, it's funny that we as humans have such a difficult time accepting this part of our reality when we have evidence. I mean, aside from pe people like you and work you're doing and the scientists that support this kind of research, it's like, I've had two experiences this week wherein, uh, the first one, I was meditating a few days ago and I thought of this person and I was waiting for an answer about something from them.

[00:10:35] Luke Storey: I come outta the meditation and they had texted me, uh, yesterday I was thinking about someone in a similar way. I opened my email and they had emailed me, and these are people I haven't talked to in some time, you know, and it's like I just kind of take that for granted. I go, oh, that's interesting. I mean, I think I'm someone who's kind of the mind that.

[00:10:52] Luke Storey: I would like to develop that capacity more, you know, my intuition and just that sort of inner knowing and celebrating and exploring the [00:11:00] interconnectivity of all people and all things, right? But it's like you can ask anyone, have you ever been thinking about someone? And then they call, it's like almost every person has had that experience.

[00:11:09] Luke Storey: Yet those same people will deny the existence of, um, of people that have developed or discovered those abilities to a greater degree in the case of the autistic kids that you're working with and such. So it's funny that this is so prevalent in our experience yet it's so hard for us to grasp. There seems to be this.

[00:11:30] Luke Storey: Attachment to the material physical experience that many of us have. And it, it's, it seems to be really hard to break people out of that. So I love that. You know, now with the work you're doing, there's, there's more empirical evidence for those kind of, uh, left brain dominant people. You know, the analytical skeptics, right?

[00:11:48] Luke Storey: Because those, those are the ones that are the hardest to reach sometimes even in the face of, of empirical evidence, you know?

[00:11:54] Ky Dickens: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And I think that's like the biggest thing that I've stumbled across is that, you know, we are [00:12:00] living in a paradigm and there've been many paradigms and a paradigm, right?

[00:12:03] Ky Dickens: Is like the framework or the architecture in which we understand reality. And in the past few hundred years, maybe since the mid 17 hundreds, it's been this idea that, you know, what's measurable and observable is real. And that is called materialism. And it's different from, you know, you're a materialist, like you wanna buy a fancy purses like Madonna song.

[00:12:21] Ky Dickens: It, this is this idea that things that are material, right, that you can measure and observe are real. Um. What's been kind of fun for me to understand was like we've gone through many paradigms, um, as humans, you know, we believed in the divine nature of kings for a long time and that they were inspired and we should follow them.

[00:12:38] Ky Dickens: Like we've gone through all sorts of different, uh, paradigms and we're, I think, on the cusp of another one. And what happens when a paradigm drops out is new information comes in, it's often ridiculed or dismissed or mocked or just ardently, you know, rejected. And then, and then a shift happens. And there's always gonna be people on the right side of history [00:13:00] and the wrong side of history.

[00:13:01] Ky Dickens: And I think that there's been this real, almost stubborn obtuseness, um, coming out of some of the ivory towers. Not all, there's a lot of scientists working on the cutting edge of really interesting research, but who've been like, I won't even look at the research. And these other scientists are doing that are saying that there's some really valid evidence for things like telepathy and remote viewing and psychic abilities and medium abilities and whatever, because it just doesn't fit into the paradigm.

[00:13:25] Ky Dickens: It can't be true. And so they won't even look, which doesn't seem like being like, you're a skeptic to me. Right. That seems like you're a closed-minded believer. You're, you're so fundamentalist in your beliefs that you won't even open your mind to the fact that you could be wrong. And what's been really beautiful, I think, you know, in the past 10 years is that there's a lot of scientists who've started, especially like researching meditation, you know, things like that, that were considered fringe, near-death experiences, you know, that, that are now saying, wait, our materialist model doesn't work because we can't explain some of these [00:14:00] things.

[00:14:00] Ky Dickens: And so we might need a new model. We can't just dismiss these things 'cause we know they're happening. So. The new model that's kind of really being shepherded in, and I think embraced by a lot of post material scientists is this idea that consciousness is fundamental, right? Like right up until now, the idea in a materialist scientific framework is that physics and biology and psychology, all these things kind of create this big pyramid in it.

[00:14:23] Ky Dickens: The very tippy top is consciousness, and we don't know how consciousness is created by these things. We don't know where it comes from, but when the body dies, consciousness dies with it. And that's the materialist point of view. But if you were just keep all the textbooks the same and all those, you know.

[00:14:39] Ky Dickens: Physiology, physics and biology and all that stuff the same. And just put consciousness on the bottom of the pyramid. Suddenly you can account for everything else. You can account for the telepathy or liabilities or remote viewing. These things that we know are happening, but we can't explain in our current framework, which I think is comfortable.

[00:14:57] Ky Dickens: 'cause you don't have to dismiss or [00:15:00] walk away from a lot of what we know to be true about the world. It's just the biggest thing where, where do we come from? This, this idea of consciousness. Um, it, it doesn't come from the physical world, it's the other way around. I think it really works well. And you know, in the telepathy day, season one, I was talking to a, a mother of a, a young.

[00:15:19] Ky Dickens: You know, of a autistic boy who, a severely autistic boy who she discovered had this telepathic ability. And of course all the parents, when they discovered this, it flips open their world too. They weren't expecting this. They didn't believe in it, and she really had to contemplate what thought was. You know, he kept saying, I could read thoughts.

[00:15:37] Ky Dickens: I can hear thoughts. And she asked me, she's like, look at everything in your room. Was it a thought first? And it's like, yes, everything around us was a thought first, except for the earth we're standing on. And that could have been someone else's thought or something else's thought, or God's thought, right?

[00:15:50] Ky Dickens: But everything on the earth is a thought first. So it's not that wild to think that consciousness is fundamental.

[00:15:58] Luke Storey: 100%. I mean, the way [00:16:00] I experience life these days is, um, definitely from the perspective that consciousness is the foundation of everything. And I know this from just so many, sort of almost supernatural experiences I've had where it becomes quite clear that I've been writing a book for the past two years.

[00:16:19] Luke Storey: Speaking of, you know, the muse and where these ideas come from and thinking about the way, um, people write songs. I think about this often. You look at a period of robust creativity. Someone like Bob Dylan or The Beatles, or the Rolling Stones, you know, these great artists of our time. And I'll think, man, why can't, um, you know, why can't, uh, Paul McCartney write, let it be again?

[00:16:42] Luke Storey: You know, it's just like, 'cause it's not originating from him. And any, any real humble and talented musician will tell you the same thing there. I don't know. They just, I was sitting there one day and all of a sudden, you know, satisfaction hit me. You know, Keith Richards actually says that, that the riff for satisfaction came to him in a [00:17:00] dream and he was on tour.

[00:17:01] Luke Storey: He rolled over and hit record on his tape. Recorder bound now woke up the next morning and there was the song, you know. So it, it seems to me that the, the brain, you know, the physical brain is more of a transmitter and receiver acting sort of as a radio and, you know, you can tune into different channels, which for me is just the fundamental experience of working with plant medicines and psychedelics.

[00:17:28] Luke Storey: It becomes very clear that what's happening is, at least from my experience, seems to be happening, is that the perceptual limits that the brain normally has in place in terms of brainwaves and brain chemistry that keep us in this confined experience of reality, those are temporarily removed or shifted.

[00:17:49] Luke Storey: And so you're actually experiencing more of the totality of our reality of what's there all the time, but you just can't see it all the time. Right. So it's like a hallucination isn't [00:18:00] necessarily, oh, I'm seeing something that doesn't actually exist. It's, I'm, I'm seeing, um, a whiter spectrum of the reality that exists all the time.

[00:18:09] Luke Storey: Sort of like, you know, people that are able to communicate with spirits and things like that. It's, it's not like they have to go to the outer reaches of space to call that person into the room in their non-physical form. It's like, no, they're here all the time. We just can't see them. You know? So that's, I, you know, that's kind of the way that I'm looking at things and I think why I'm so drawn to the work you're doing, it's just like, wow, there's so much more to this.

[00:18:32] Luke Storey: How could we possibly a deny it? And I don't understand how someone could not be interested in this. You know? It's like, what, what is more entertaining and inspiring than seeing what you know, the limits of our potential and, and how we've kind of boxed ourselves into such a limited experience of reality.

[00:18:52] Ky Dickens: Absolutely. And what I like too is so many of the people who have these experiences, you know, are, [00:19:00] are the least likely that you'd expect, right? So I think in, in the past a lot of, you know, psychics and mediums and things like that got a bad rap because there was a lot of snake oil out there. There's trickery and fraud and it was exploitive.

[00:19:13] Ky Dickens: And, but that doesn't mean that there's not real, truly talented, honest people doing that work. But we have kind of hooed a lot of that and instead are focusing on. Just regular people that have these gifts, even though they didn't ask for them, and they have nothing to gain from them. One of the, uh, interviews I'm most excited to bring to the world was someone we had in our studio just recently, and she's a 13-year-old girl, and she was born with a, um, a missing gene.

[00:19:40] Ky Dickens: You know, it was a genetic deletion and her parents knew something was wrong from the time she was a baby, and they were never able to get a diagnosis up until about a year ago. And there's only 50 people in the world that are missing the gene. She's missing. But, you know, the, the girl's in hospice now and she's fully like.

[00:19:56] Ky Dickens: You know, I think accepts her pending death. [00:20:00] And it's really tricky to talk to a 13-year-old who's dying, but she's the most, you know, stable and secure and like, like, you know, aware of what's happening to her. Then I think any of her sisters or anyone else in the family in a very profound way. But she said that as she started becoming, um, closer to death, she started to be able to see the other side and engage with spirits all the time.

[00:20:24] Ky Dickens: And her, her parents, you know, her dad is Muslim and it was like, this is very strange for me. And, and he's like, but she would sit there and talk about people that I fought with in the Afghan war that had passed and like would be doing their motions like smoking or X, y, Z, and would also be able to explain to like.

[00:20:43] Ky Dickens: The sister is like, what they have to accomplish with her before she can go the, like, the soul contract. And, and he was like, but it's like she can see this other side, but it's almost like she's channeling this information. And the family said it's like completely changed them because they're watching this unravel under their [00:21:00] roof with, you know, their sweet daughter who has no reason to, to make any of this stuff up.

[00:21:06] Ky Dickens: It was just very matter of fact, you can't see that person or you can't, you can't hear grandma or you can't do, what do you mean? You know? So I, I think often, um, people who are often the most marginalized in society or just, you know, dismissed because you're a little kid or maybe you're sick or you are in, you have Alzheimer's or you're in hospice.

[00:21:26] Ky Dickens: I think what we're really going into, right, you know, this current like season of the talk tracks, which is our, in-between the celebrity tapes, main seasons are these experiences people have on the edge of death or the weaker their bodies become and. There's a lot there to look at.

[00:21:48] Luke Storey: If your meditation practice feels like work instead of peace, listen up. A lot of us sit with the best of intentions. We're trying to quiet the mind, experience inner stillness, maybe even connect with something [00:22:00] deeper within. But the fact is that if your body can't let go of background stress, it makes all of that more difficult, sometimes even impossible.

[00:22:08] Luke Storey: And that's why I use the Apollo Neuro. It's a wearable that sends gentle rhythmic pulses through your body, and that signal communicates safety through your sense of touch. And when your nervous system feels safe, everything changes. Your breath slows down, you settle in faster, and you can actually drop into a meditative state without all the struggle.

[00:22:28] Luke Storey: I've noticed. When I use the Apollo, I just go deeper and faster, like my body finally decided to cooperate with my mind, and it doesn't stop there. Apollo comes with an app called Smart Vibes AI that learns your patterns and automatically adjusts the support you need when you need it. Here's where you want to go to get your nervous system dialed in.

[00:22:47] Luke Storey: It's called apollo neuro.com/luke. And if you use the code, Luke, you get $99 off the Apollo wearable and Smart Vibes AI bundle Apollo takes the friction out of my meditation [00:23:00] practice, but the real win is how it helps my system stay calm, present, and way less reactive throughout the day. So you definitely want to check out Apollo neuro.com/luke and that code is Luke

[00:23:11] Ky Dickens: to save $99.

[00:23:16] Luke Storey: Well, that, that brings up, uh, something I was gonna ask actually, as it pertains to, you know, a lot of the coverage you've done have been, um, autistic kids, non-speaking autistic kids. Right. But, um, I'm glad you raised this because this is another really interesting phenomenon to me and that is, you know, when kids are, uh.

[00:23:35] Luke Storey: Between born and seven years old, they're walking, all of us are walking around in these kind of theta dominant brainwave states, right? Where you're kind of living in two worlds. And, and I think, we think sometimes kids are just being silly, right? It's just, oh, they're just very imaginative. But I've always wondered, you know, before you kind of fully form your identity and your boundaries of who you are and [00:24:00] what's out there and all of that, um, and kind of take on a persona, it seems we get saddled with these limiting beliefs, right?

[00:24:08] Luke Storey: About what our capacity is for psychic abilities or intuition. And in the same way when people are, um, in near death, which I experienced last year with my dad, he was in, he was in a coma, so he was nonverbal at the time. But just being in the room with him, I really got the sense that. Part of him was in the room, but a part of him was somewhere else for about 48 hours.

[00:24:32] Luke Storey: Right. So it seems these portals of kind of the, the early years after birth and then in the, you know, hours, days, weeks, or even sometimes months when someone's on their way out that these abilities start to open up because you're, you're grasp on the limitations of perception as we know them when we're kind of healthy and in the middle ages of life, they seem to get diminished.

[00:24:55] Luke Storey: But again, it's like something that's always there but not always accessible. And so there seem to be these [00:25:00] kind of windows of time in the human experience where these things become more available to people that are otherwise able bodied and healthy and have all of their capacities. It's so interesting how these, these gifts kind of seem to be latent.

[00:25:14] Luke Storey: And then activated at different times. But I'm of the belief that we all have them. We just don't know it.

[00:25:20] Ky Dickens: Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think it's forgotten knowledge, not new knowledge, you know? And because if you talk to a lot of the indigenous, you know, people around the world, which we again have been doing a lot more recently, and we'll continue to do, um, they're like, this is duh, like telepathy, the ability to like communicate with, you know, others on the other side.

[00:25:41] Ky Dickens: Yeah. Like. Of course, you know, I mean, we talked to, uh, we did a whole episode on plant communication in season two of the pathy tapes. And we, um, talked with people from the Kunta nomination Lakota Nation, like the HIN Nation. Many were saying, look, what do you think it was trial and error. We, we, you can communicate with a [00:26:00] plant, you can pick up its energy, you can learn what it wants you to know and how it can heal you just by talking to it, you know?

[00:26:05] Ky Dickens: And like our brains were like, what do you mean talking to it? Like, how do you talk to a plant? You know, but it was so duh, yes, this is exactly what you do. And you can find out what they want you to know and how, how you can use them to heal ailments. And, and it's so outside of our. Our po our world of possibility, I think in the West.

[00:26:23] Ky Dickens: Um, yet again, like we're starting to uncover, you know, I mean, I think we're more open to this now and I think the more people are having psychedelic experiences and starting to meditate and starting to think through these type of things and starting to tropic breathing classes, like there's stuff that people are doing that are, is expanding their mind, I think to your point.

[00:26:43] Ky Dickens: We're all gonna start finding quickly that this is stuff we can all do, we can all tap into. It's not new knowledge. It's always been there, but belief is a big thing. It, it actually, you think about the placebo effect, right? Like, to believe in the power of something has [00:27:00] profound impacts on what's possible.

[00:27:02] Ky Dickens: If you don't believe that you can communicate with the other side or the, the, the, that consciousness survives death or you don't believe that you can communicate from a far distance, of course you're not gonna be able to do it. You know? So I think it's part, partially like just re reacquainting ourselves with the knowledge that we're much more powerful than we ever give our credit our ourselves credit for in the West.

[00:27:24] Luke Storey: Absolutely. Uh, I remember, it must have been about a year ago, I sent your podcast to, um, a a couple friend of mine who have a, an, an autistic daughter. And I was like, oh my God, you gotta hear this. You gotta, you know, get her into learning how to spell and so on. And, um. It was interesting, the reaction I got, you know, 'cause obviously this has been a really difficult, you know, I think the girls maybe 11 or 12 or something, right?

[00:27:52] Luke Storey: So it's been obviously a very challenging experience for their family and her reaction was something to the effect of, oh, [00:28:00] I, you know, I don't, I don't really, um, you know, I'm not interested in this or I, I'm not really into this project because I feel like it's normalizing autism when I'm interested in finding out what is causing autism and why is it becoming so prevalent and how do we treat it or heal it, you know?

[00:28:21] Luke Storey: So it was, it was interesting 'cause I hadn't thought about that. I'm like, wow, this is a really, you know, an incredible development for parents of autistic kids. And obviously the work you're doing and, you know, as these abilities get uncovered for these kids, it's gotta be, yeah. Massive for everyone involved, obviously, but, you know, I'm wondering what your perspective is, is on that, you know, as like, I'm 55.

[00:28:43] Luke Storey: Okay. I, I didn't know one autistic person until I met that child. And I have one other friend who has an autistic son that's about 12 also. And before them I, I literally, I didn't even really know what autism was in school. There was no autistic kids that I was aware of. It's, [00:29:00] it's something that seems to be just, you know, so common.

[00:29:02] Luke Storey: So of course many of us are going, all right, well if this is new, why is it happening? So I'm someone that's very interested in natural health and all this, and, um, trying to prevent things like this from happening. Yet at the same time it's like, wow, the kids for whom this pathology is playing out seem to be finding these latent gifts in that experience.

[00:29:25] Luke Storey: So it's, it's kind of this double-edged sword to me where I'm like, oh God, why aren't we fixing this? But at the same time. If we can't quote unquote heal it or fix it, you know, maybe in some cases it's not even meant to be healed or fixed. It's some sort of evolution of consciousness in a way where, I don't know, God is adapting to these changes that, you know, for whatever reason we've seemed to cause and, and, um, in this particular.

[00:29:52] Luke Storey: I don't even want to call it an illness, but this particular issue, you know, it's, it's interesting that it's happening now when it's [00:30:00] becoming so prevalent while there are also people working diligently to figure out what's causing it and how we might be able to treat it.

[00:30:06] Ky Dickens: Yeah, I mean, and I think for so many parents who have a child, you know, I grew up a sibling and my brother is on the spectrum, but, you know, highly functioning and I think there's so many different, there's different ways autism, you know, manifests itself.

[00:30:22] Ky Dickens: You know, you could be highly quote unquote functioning and you could be able to speak. You might not be able to speak. You have apraxia. I mean, our project really looks at people apraxia a mind body disconnect. But I think at the end of the day, like one thing that is true across the board is that most parents who end up getting the diagnosis that your child has autism.

[00:30:41] Ky Dickens: It becomes a completely different life than what you were anticipating. And it can be ex, it's, there's so much you sacrifice and it's can be depending on like the severity and your resources and the community you're in and that type of thing. It can be so limiting. 'cause I know for a lot of parents who have, [00:31:00] um, children that have apraxia whose, you know, their bodies do things that they're not anticipating, they make a lot of noises.

[00:31:07] Ky Dickens: You can be really isolating. You feel like you're not welcome in the grocery store or in a social event or birthday party, or even in church or temple or you know, wherever. And you feel like you have to go live your life in a way that won't bother everyone else. And it can be awful. And I think for so many parents who have a child with autism, it's like every day can feel like a survival mode.

[00:31:28] Ky Dickens: You know, you're trying to keep food on the table and take care of yourself and maybe take care of other kids. And also someone who needs you 24 7 also often isn't sleeping, might be self-harming. And so. I mean, the one thing I'll say is every single parent that has a child, um, with autism needs more resources and support and needs society to adapt to include them more and why it's happening.

[00:31:50] Ky Dickens: I think that's a huge question, right? Like, why, why are so many more people, um, being di diagnosed with autism? I certainly don't have the answer to [00:32:00] that. And then, you know, I think it's, uh, you know, I I, over the course of six years, we had so many questions and answers with people with severe autism through writing through, they could spell, even though they can't talk by typing into a letter board or an iPad or whatever, and so.

[00:32:15] Ky Dickens: A lot of that is in the film, right? Like the, the questions that came up from six years of correspondence. 'cause it takes a long time to write this. And, and I think the, the differentials are as different as each individual. I mean, most of the people would say I, that I interviewed said I would can't imagine being any other way.

[00:32:31] Ky Dickens: You know, for me, like there's such a special thing that comes with autism. But I also know it's a plight for my family and I know how hard it is on my parents, but I can't imagine not having access to the non-physical world like I have. So it sounds like a very double-edged sword for many of them. And, and I know some non-peak who say, I wish I could speak, I wish I could learn to speak, or I wish I could heal a part of my brain that allows me to speak or I wish I could control my unruly body.

[00:32:58] Ky Dickens: And people try to [00:33:00] heal all sorts of things that maybe weren't supposed to be healed. Like I think about, you know, gay conversion camps and stuff. I mean, it did so much damage, horrific damage, trying to change L-G-B-T-Q people. And, and I think if you meet a lot of people, some men say, I, I, I, you know, I, I wish that wasn't the case for me, but I think most people just love who they are.

[00:33:19] Ky Dickens: They can't imagine being any other way. And I think that same thing might be true in the autism community as well, but you can't put a broad, a broad sweep over it, you know? But I think we can have a lot of humility around and, and, and love and compassion for what these families are going through and how difficult it's.

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[00:35:19] Luke Storey: Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's no way we'll ever know what sort of, um, soul contracts, karmic implications, right? I mean, there's, there's so much more going on as we're discussing here than, than we'll ever understand, right. So it's, it's. The way I look at it is just, it's a really interesting evolution in consciousness.

[00:35:40] Luke Storey: It's like consciousness is adapting to this relatively new issue in a way that is, that is fascinating. You know, and it's like it. You know, I, I had a friend recently pass of, of cancer, sadly, who, you know, just gave it everything to overcome it. [00:36:00] And, uh, over the course of a couple years and ended up passing away despite doing everything I've ever heard of to heal that, you know, I mean, I've met people that have done one of the things he tried and it worked right, and he tried everything.

[00:36:13] Luke Storey: And ultimately, when and when that kind of thing happens, you just, you know, I think it's hopefully humbling for us to realize like, it, we're not in charge of any of this. You know what I mean? It's just, you know, we, we have a certain degree of will that we can exert. We have some intent, right? It's like the power of our word, the power of our thoughts, the power of our beliefs, all of that is valid.

[00:36:35] Luke Storey: But ultimately. There's something or someone else in charge that we have no control over. And you know, maybe that's one of the things we discover when we leave our body, is we get clarity around why our path was chosen for us in a way that seemed to be, you know, set in stone that, that we couldn't really alter no matter how much we tried to change, you know?

[00:36:55] Luke Storey: So it sounds like. Some of the non-speaking kids that, that you're interacting [00:37:00] with based on, you know, them saying like, I wouldn't have it any other way. But yeah, it'd be nice to be able to speak. It's like they're sort of surrendering to a higher intelligence that has planned their, you know, earthly experience this time around to include this particular, um, diagnosis, you know?

[00:37:18] Ky Dickens: Well, and know it's interesting. So recently on the talk tracks, we had a family and a boy named Ethan, who, who is a, you know, non-speaker with apraxia and, and he was new to me, like I just met the family and their story touches on what you just said because, well, first of all, it was really quite sweet and funny 'cause this family discovered all of this before the telepathy tapes came out, you know, and I talked to both of his sisters and they were like, we thought this was like our double life, total secret.

[00:37:45] Ky Dickens: Like Ethan has telepathy. He seems to rec recollect like the time before he came to Earth. He seems to have all these gifts, but we just can't talk about it because people would think we're crazy. So she's like, we kept it the secret. We didn't know that anyone else was going through this. And then they heard the telepathy tapes [00:38:00] and then, you know, and then when the family was covered, like, oh my gosh, we're not alone.

[00:38:04] Ky Dickens: And sounded like Ethan was sharing more and more information that he could speak to, to people on their side that his grandmother was with him a lot and helped him in certain cases. You know, all sorts of stuff, but. One of the things he spelled in the family is Jewish. So this was not on their bingo card.

[00:38:18] Ky Dickens: He spelled, um, um, I, um, am here like we cho I chose with some of you to reincarnate into this life. I chose this to be my hardest life, and then I'll never have to reincarnate again. This was it. And this hardest life will be like, what allows me to stop having to go down here basically.

[00:38:37] Luke Storey: Wow.

[00:38:37] Ky Dickens: And then he said, there's two of you in the family that are old souls.

[00:38:40] Ky Dickens: We've done this a lot. And then like, I think, uh, one or two others in the family were newer. They weren't like in the same soul pact. And he said it was such clarity. And, and this is one thing I talk about a lot in the celebrity tapes, you know, especially for the individuals with, you know, praxia not speaking autism.

[00:38:54] Ky Dickens: It takes a lot of energy, a lot of focus, a lot of time to spell. It's not [00:39:00] easy, it's trying to control every movement of that body. So you're not gonna sit there for an hour and just spell something that's gonna freak out your family and this and this, you know, that feels so outta left field. I think for fun, especially when you see that this, that type of thing is being said by a family over here, a family in this country, a family over here, and all their stories are corroborate one another.

[00:39:22] Ky Dickens: You know? And for me that was a, I grew up be Lutheran, you know, I grew up in a very, um, typical like Christian, you know, waspy, you know, suburb and home. And one of the things that I hear a lot of times from nons speakers was choosing a life, choosing a reason why you're coming in this form, remembering past lives.

[00:39:45] Ky Dickens: And that, that has been a complete cognitive dissidence for me to try to like wrap my head around what that means and what it might mean.

[00:39:51] Luke Storey: Wow. I just got chills when you were telling that story. I mean, I think this is such a valuable principle for those of us that [00:40:00] have experienced difficulty in our life and felt.

[00:40:03] Luke Storey: Felt victimized by our experience, you know, whether it's having autism or in my case, uh, a lot of trauma and being born into a really dysfunctional family lineage and becoming an addict and all of these things, right? And it's like being on the other side of that. I've always had the sense that, that there was a, a part of me, or maybe all of me that chose some of the circumstances of my life and the family I was born into because it provided the most contrast, right?

[00:40:32] Luke Storey: It was like, if, if the purpose of human life, which seems to be the purpose for me, is evolution of your consciousness, of your soul, right? It's like if you dip into, um, an incarnation that is really smooth and easy, it stands to reason, just logically you would make less progress. You know what I mean?

[00:40:53] Ky Dickens: Yes.

[00:40:53] Luke Storey: So that's been how I've been able to reconcile challenges that I've faced in my life is like, okay, yeah, it hurt. It was [00:41:00] hard. Um, but having the opportunity to overcome it made me who I am today and I'm increasingly enjoying the experience of being me where I didn't for a very long time. So there's been, you know, many tragic things and traumatic things in my life that I can't say that I would honestly go back and have it be any different because the end result, based on the choices that I've made around that, and that I've, you know, kind of been willing to walk through the fire, so to speak, they've made me who I am and I'd probably be lesser of a man had I not gone through that.

[00:41:31] Luke Storey: You know, I. So I think this is a really, it's a great way for us to contextualize whatever degree of challenge we're experiencing in life is that there's some value to be had in it if we can change our perspective and orient toward that kind of model. Right. And, and this is something that's useful for me too, when I face challenges in real time now, rather than feeling, you know, victimized or feeling pressure from it, it's like, okay, this is really uncomfortable, but based [00:42:00] on past experiences, based on the evidence at hand.

[00:42:03] Luke Storey: Like, I know that the universe is doing this for me, not to me. And it, it makes just day-to-day life. Um, not only more tolerable, but just inspiring and interesting because you know that any challenge you go through is not only temporary 'cause they always end as does the bliss and joy, right? But it's that, oh, there's, there's something really valuable at the center of this if I can, if I can have the perseverance and, you know, sort of determination to see it through.

[00:42:29] Luke Storey: So I think a lot of the. The stories that you're telling through these families and these kids is really valuable from that perspective. You know, when you have someone who you would look at objectively and be like, oh, I feel sorry for them, and you, maybe you pity them in their experience and they're like, no man, this was the best possible path for me, for what my ultimate, you know, eternal goals are, so to speak.

[00:42:50] Ky Dickens: It really does make you stop and wonder. And we had a family on the talk tracks a few weeks ago, and this mother was saying that she had a dream when she was 13, where she met [00:43:00] her unborn son. I mean, she was a 13-year-old girl, I think she was 13 around that age. And she saw who she knew would be like her future son and, and he's like, you know, I chose, you we're choosing each other to go through this and, but like, I'm gonna get lost somehow.

[00:43:13] Ky Dickens: Or she knew he was gonna get lost somehow and this fear not knowing what that meant. And then when she had her son. And he was diagnosed with severe autism and she's like, oh, this is how he was gonna get lost. And she also recognized him as he started to get older. Like this was the boy for my dream. And when he started to spell to communicate, she said, do you remember that dream?

[00:43:32] Ky Dickens: And he was like, of course. And he remembered what they were wearing in the dream and explained it. And he's like, we had to do this together. Like this was our contract. Like this was our soul contract. You have to take care of me like this in this life. And you know, but that there's a certain level of grace around it too.

[00:43:49] Ky Dickens: As hard as it is for parents with children who are different in any way are struggling. Right. That is so difficult. But, you know, the way I think they kind of looked at it is like, this was an, in a [00:44:00] way, an act of grace because then you would just poof, you're like, you're done after that. Like you've really

[00:44:05] Luke Storey: Right.

[00:44:05] Ky Dickens: Served your time in Earth school. Right. You get to graduate out after it.

[00:44:09] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:44:10] Ky Dickens: But yeah, I mean, a lot of memories like that, and that's the thing that's so cool about not being as bound to your body when you have something like apraxia. I mean, I can't tell you how many of these. Individuals will say, I cannot feel my body.

[00:44:23] Ky Dickens: I didn't know. They have to have therapy to know where their body is. And that's why, especially in the early stages, learning to spell to communicate like touch was important. Now they're trying not to touch at all, so that, you know, should make sure, like the authorship seems valid and stuff, but like, it's hard to spell.

[00:44:37] Ky Dickens: If you don't know where your body is, it's hard to move your arm if you don't know you have one. So, but the beautiful part of that is that so many of the messages being revealed from these individuals is this real sense of like, oh yeah, I have memories from the womb. I have memories beforehand. I have, I, I, I have a deep understanding of the spiritual world and, and some individuals who, you know, again, like I spent time [00:45:00] questioning and answering and, you know, express that they're doing a lot of work, energetic work while here that we can't see.

[00:45:06] Ky Dickens: And you, you know, to along the lines of, I don't, I don't remember the exact quotes, but, you know, there's so much going on that you don't see, but we're really trying to like, keep everything equal and balanced and protect and clear energy around certain people or certain moments. And it's like, that seems so hard to comprehend, but if that's truly happening, like what a gift that there's anyone here working on that, what would it be like without that?

[00:45:27] Ky Dickens: You know,

[00:45:28] Luke Storey: 100%. Yeah. It's like embodied guardian angels kind of thing. Right. You know, we, we sometimes hear about getting assistance from the other side and things like this, and some of us have had those types of experience where, you know, it seems clear that that's happening, ancestors and so on. But it's interesting to think about that there are, you know, many more people than we realize that have that capacity while they're in a body.

[00:45:52] Ky Dickens: Mm-hmm.

[00:45:58] Luke Storey: I like being social as much as [00:46:00] the next guy. I just don't like being sloppy. And if you've ever woken up after a night out feeling foggy, dehydrated, and off your game, you know exactly what I'm talking about. For me, that trade off stopped making sense a long time ago. I still love the ritual though, chilling with friends, having something in your hand.

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[00:47:28] Luke Storey: Um, to your point of something you were saying earlier, which I think is really important when it comes to. Charlatans and snake oil salesmen, you know, the kind of fake mystics or fake psychics of throughout history, right? Um, I think some people that are, um, you know, lack integrity, found that humans are easy to exploit because we have this curiosity around the mystical, right?

[00:47:51] Luke Storey: It's just, it's part of how we're wired. But what's so interesting is that the people you're working with in this capacity, they [00:48:00] aren't trying to build a platform or become famous or make money or sell books or even, you know, become a guru or leader or spiritual teacher. These are just like regular people, right?

[00:48:11] Luke Storey: That don't have any of these aspirations. So that, that in and of itself kind of negates some of those ulterior motives that could be present. And what's interesting too is that, you know, throughout history, when human beings do have these gifts authentically, unless they're just completely anonymous and we never know about them, but they, you know, they have kind of this.

[00:48:33] Luke Storey: A tractor field of light where people are drawn to them and inevitably they become an enlightened master or guru that have droves of followers, whether they meant to or not. Right. I'm thinking of just some of the Indian mystics that I've studied and followed, and, you know, they, they share wisdom. I apply that wisdom to my life and it improves my life, so therefore their teachings are valid.

[00:48:54] Luke Storey: But it's wild to think about, you know, if you take the, the group of people that [00:49:00] you've worked with personally, I mean, that's obviously, that's only a small fraction of people that have these gifts around the world. I mean, non-speaking people specifically, and yet any one of the people you've worked with, based on their ability to interact with these different levels of reality could be the world's greatest guru or enlightened master.

[00:49:19] Luke Storey: You know, it's like you're interacting with. Dozens of enlightened masters all the time. They just didn't set out to kind of, you know, create a platform or make that part of their path, or just, you know, somebody's teenage kid, for example. Right.

[00:49:33] Ky Dickens: Right. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think for, what's been so interesting to me is that, you know, I think a lot of the experiences that are coming out from families that have a non-speaking child, apraxia, they come from every walk of life.

[00:49:49] Ky Dickens: Like a lot of these parents might be completely agnostic, like, don't believe in any of this. Super skeptical, you know, you know, we certainly have worked with families who are Jewish, Muslim, [00:50:00] evangelical Christian, you know, Catholic and everything in between, um, Hindu and it doesn't matter. Like, it's like the gifts are the same.

[00:50:08] Ky Dickens: The experie is the same. Communicating with the other side, often really relying on ancestors talking about that, that they, the an ancestor, usually there'll be like one or two that they call out specifically is with them a lot, helping them live this life in this unruly body. And it's so beautiful because when you start, you know what happened to me before Thele tapes came out and this became.

[00:50:31] Ky Dickens: Quote, unquote, widespread knowledge. Like I was talking to a family in England and someone in Florida, and someone in Arizona, and someone in, you know, Finland and someone in Australia. They had no, in Israel, like, no idea. Most didn't have any idea that this was happening in the other families. And that there was like a bouquet of these gifts, right?

[00:50:49] Ky Dickens: Like it would be telepathy. And seeing the other side were kind of like baseline. And then the ones that kind of like, I, I've noticed some individuals have and others don't, would be, you know, [00:51:00] remote viewing or maybe clairvoyance. Like there's a girl that we just had into the studio and her mom is like, she has such clairvoyance that she, she actually, her, she's passionate about finding bad guys who've hurt women and, and like, we'll name names

[00:51:13] Luke Storey: Wow.

[00:51:14] Ky Dickens: Of someone who's raped or harmed women. And the mother was saying at one point she even gave coordinates to where a girl was buried that they thought was missing but is, was, has been killed. And so now she's working with. Different sets of authorities because she has these gifts, which is really cool. Um, and some individuals probably wanna work with authorities, probably some don't.

[00:51:36] Ky Dickens: Right. But, but she is, and they keep coming back to her because her information is quite astoundingly good. So that's been the delight I think, of my life maybe, is that when I put this information out there, it's like, terrifying, right? I was like, um, what's gonna happen to my career? Like, I, I'm gonna look crazy.

[00:51:54] Ky Dickens: Um, but as people I think have tested it, or other scientists started looking into it, or [00:52:00] other families started talking to other families that had, you know, someone that was non-speaking and spelling and sharing these things, it kind of was like, yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true for us. Yeah, that's true.

[00:52:11] Ky Dickens: Or I went and checked this out and it's true. And so it's kind of spread like a fire, I think, because now families feel emboldened that they can talk about it and share about it in a way they couldn't before. You know?

[00:52:22] Luke Storey: Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, it's like when you feel isolated and alone in your experience, especially if it's a challenging one, uh, it becomes exponentially harder, right?

[00:52:32] Luke Storey: You don't have anyone you can relate to. I, I think about the power of the 12 step movement that saved my life. It's like there was zero hope for me without meeting other people that had. That truly understood the, the challenges that I was facing and more importantly, had overcome them. Right? So it's like can imagine, um, someone who's non-speaking that's having a really difficult time not being in their body and all of these things that are part of their experience.[00:53:00]

[00:53:00] Luke Storey: Just knowing that there's someone else that understands is like, that's everything when it comes to, you know, the isolation of, um, that I can only imagine, right? I'm someone that's able to communicate freely and I feel pretty embodied and life gets really hard when I think people don't even understand what I'm going through internally.

[00:53:18] Luke Storey: We all have these, these inner lives that, you know, we can't always articulate to someone or we might not have cultivated relationships that have the degree of trust that would allow us to fully articulate our inner experience. I can only imagine when. You want to and you can't, you know, so that's, that's gotta be incredibly empowering.

[00:53:38] Luke Storey: Um, what, you know, when it comes to the, I I, I'm realizing as we talk here and we're coming toward the end of our time, um, there are gonna be many people that are like, what are you guys even talking about? Because they haven't heard your podcast, or they're not familiar with the work. So I'm just gonna encourage them to, you know, go listen to all of your episodes.

[00:53:56] Luke Storey: I've, I've binged them all, and like, when's the next one coming out? You [00:54:00] know, it's like, refresh, refresh. I mean, it's just so fascinating. So I'll just, you know, apologize to anyone listening. If, if they've kind of feel like they've come in the middle of a conversation without a lot of context, um, they can go catch up.

[00:54:11] Luke Storey: But one of the things that I've wondered, listening to your show is. It's like how, you know, we know that these abilities and these gifts are, are special and unique, but when it comes to the spelling, could you explain how the spelling works with, uh, nonverbal people and, and the percentage roughly of those that are able to do that?

[00:54:33] Luke Storey: Like, is this something that can be learned and trained into most non-speaking people if they have the commitment to do so? Or is even the spelling part of the gift unique and hit or miss?

[00:54:46] Ky Dickens: So when we talk about spelling, it's not learning, you know, uh, vocabulary, how to spell words like we typically think about it.

[00:54:54] Ky Dickens: What it's really referring to is typing out your thoughts using a letter backboard or an iPad, or even a Cordy [00:55:00] keyboard. Speaking out loud with your voice is a fine motor skill, but if you use your shoulder and your arm to point to letters, that's a gross motor skill. And so. I would say I really, truly, deeply believe, and I've talked to many spelling coaches who say this too, that I think anyone with apraxia who's non-speaking can, can learn to communicate via spelling.

[00:55:20] Ky Dickens: But it's not as simple as just throwing a letter board in front of someone or you know, you have to learn those neuro pathways. So the way it typically starts is that you do question and answers really easy things so that you just learn that the motor pathways first, right? Like you read an article, okay, what was the color of, you know, John's ball red, you know, whatever it was.

[00:55:41] Ky Dickens: So that you are just learning, yes, no filling in the blanks answers until those motor pathways are developed. And that can take sometimes weeks or months or years because you're training like all your body to do something that's not used to doing. And then once you really start to develop those neuro pathways, something remarkable happens, which is you become, quote unquote open on the [00:56:00] boards, which means you're able to start sharing your unique thoughts.

[00:56:03] Ky Dickens: And usually it's around that time, the first few weeks, months, a year of being open that many non-speaking individuals, um, have reported things to their family. Blows their mind such as I can read your thoughts or, you know, right. Or I, you know, I play with grandma all the time. I'm not lonely, you know, and it's like, well, grandma passed away.

[00:56:23] Ky Dickens: You know? So those are the type of things that, that we're talking about on the show, but what they, but they, um, but the spelling. Is is integral to that because many parents were like, oh, I, I knew that all along because I would come home with a new gift for the birthday, and all of a sudden the second I thought about it, they'd go and get it.

[00:56:40] Ky Dickens: Or I'd be feeling really upset about something and then my kid would start getting really upset. Or I would think, I want nuts. I really want nuts. And if they were able to control their body, sometimes the kid would come in with nuts and drop it in their lap and leave. You know, so the parents were like, all this was happening.

[00:56:54] Ky Dickens: I al or I think about where the chocolate is hidden. And then they'll know, and then I'll put a key, a lockbox on [00:57:00] the, or a lock on the, um, snack cabinet. The second thing where the key is I hear them running and getting the key. So these are the stories I was hearing all the time. So telepathy was there first, so it was always there.

[00:57:09] Ky Dickens: It's just that this idea of like, once you're learning to spell, to communicate, you're able to communicate what's going on for you. Um. But the thing is, it's really expensive to learn. It's not the type of thing that's easily available in schools, if at all, because you have to have a communication regulation partner who's been trained in this.

[00:57:25] Ky Dickens: So, you know, I can't just give you a letter board and you're gonna go spell with someone. Like you have to learn apraxia. You know, sometimes you have to hold the board a certain way for their ocular motor to find the letter. Sometimes you have to reset the board quickly. If they start to get lost, you have to sort of encourage them, because often with the BRE of your body stops and it doesn't go again.

[00:57:42] Ky Dickens: So go get it. Go get it. Finish your thought fi, you know, constantly this kind of prompting of go, finish, go. You know? And so you really have to be trained and learn how to do it. And then it becomes like a ballroom dance, where you might get really good spelling with three, four, or five people, and then someone else you might not have that flow with.

[00:57:59] Ky Dickens: But [00:58:00] something that's beautiful, and this came up a lot, it comes up in the film that you'll be coming out in the next, um, you know, hopefully by end of year here, is that really having a, a, a, a under unbelievable spelling partner, kind of pierces apraxia, having someone share focus and ground that space for you and sit there does something amazing, which is allows these individuals to really feel their body and be able to move it in such a way.

[00:58:26] Ky Dickens: And it's really beautiful because like at one point when we were doing the film, you know, some, uh, one of a sister of a non-speaker asked like, what if we just create like an AI robot that could have the board in front of you? Wouldn't that solve all the problems? And the speller was like, absolutely not.

[00:58:41] Ky Dickens: Like having someone sitting with me, believing in me doing this with me. We're building something together that pierces my apraxia. I need another human, which is so beautiful, right? Because if your body's unruly and can't control itself and is. Probably the one of the worst things any of us can imagine, right?

[00:58:58] Ky Dickens: But the only thing that's gonna help you [00:59:00] through it is another human just holding space and loving you and like, uh, almost let, letting you use your, uh, some, some parents or spelling coaches will say like, sometimes it feels like they're using my, uh, hardware in order to get their software to work, you know?

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[01:00:36] Ky Dickens: on the house.

[01:00:40] Luke Storey: Yeah, I mean, that makes perfect sense. If you, if, if, if we think about, um, you know, just the idea of talking to a therapist, right? Or confiding in someone that, that understands you and is compassionate and able to really hold space for you.

[01:00:54] Luke Storey: I mean, I'm thinking about, as you mentioned, ai, I'm thinking, okay, if I'm really going through something, the [01:01:00] difference between me getting on chat GPT and getting some answers and kind of venting versus me going and talking to my wife and saying like, Hey, you know, I really need to talk to you. I'm going through some shit.

[01:01:10] Luke Storey: I need some support. I mean, it's, you can't even compare the two, right? It's like. The, the compassion, the empathy, the love, the presence, um, in and of itself sometimes is miraculous in its capacity to help us work through something or heal. So that makes perfect sense. Do you, do you foresee, um, you know, as this phenomenon becomes more prevalent, obviously through your podcast and your upcoming film and the people in the autistic community and the practitioners that work with people with autism, I mean, it seems to me that this, this would open up kind of a, a new niche industry for.

[01:01:46] Luke Storey: Uh, I don't know what you even call someone that, that helps people, um, with this process of learning how to use this spelling. I mean, do you see this as something that's gonna become kind of a, I don't know, a niche industry where speech pathologists and people [01:02:00] that work with kids, um, in that capacity are going to start to integrate this into their practice where it becomes more available to people and it isn't so expensive and maybe hard to find for people that live in remote areas and whatnot?

[01:02:14] Ky Dickens: Yeah, and, you know, yes, I hope so. And you know, we started a nonprofit called TTT Education and Impact, where we're gonna start giving always spelling grants so people can, and, and work on an app that can con connect non-speaking individuals and their families with spelling coaches in their area. 'cause sometimes it's just hard to find someone, you know, so

[01:02:30] Luke Storey: Right.

[01:02:31] Ky Dickens: Yeah, so we're, our nonprofit will start probably giving money away and spelling grants probably mid, like maybe summer by end of year. And as part of that, we wanna start giving away letter boards because they're expensive. Like just one, like vinyl or plastic letter board can cost 80 bucks. And if you think about, it's like a phone charger.

[01:02:50] Ky Dickens: You need it in every room, you need it in your car, you need it at the office. Any place your child might end up being, you don't wanna be in a position where they can't communicate with you. 'cause there's not a letter board and that's [01:03:00] prohibitive. And the, and Asha, the, the group that, um, certifies speech pathologists, they won't stand behind spelling because it's not independent.

[01:03:08] Ky Dickens: And that means right now in schools and stuff like speech pathologists can't teach spelling, which is. Like bonkers. And so we're also trying to help fund and orchestrate with the nonprofit some, um, you know, some support in hopes that maybe there could be some legislative initiatives that can really get spelling to be, you know, validated and taught in schools.

[01:03:32] Ky Dickens: And what is that gonna require? Hundreds of new spelling coaches get learning the skill, loving these individual kids sitting with them in school and other people learning it as well. So I can't encourage enough for people to go out and get certified in either our PM or the Rapid prompting movement, the spellers method, which, and then there's a new one coming out called the Bridge.

[01:03:56] Ky Dickens: Um, and these are wonderful programs you can take to learn [01:04:00] to be a spelling communication partner.

[01:04:02] Luke Storey: Amazing. That's so cool. I'm glad to hear that. Yeah. They could use the bridge to go to the hill.

[01:04:07] Ky Dickens: Yeah.

[01:04:09] Luke Storey: Right. Super, super fans of your work will know what The Hill is. We didn't have time to get into it. Um, so I've got one final question for you and then it, before we close, make sure to tell me about, uh, a bit more about the film.

[01:04:19] Luke Storey: My final question is a three parter and that is part who have been three teachers or teachings in general throughout your life that have made you who you are.

[01:04:28] Ky Dickens: Hmm. That's such a good question. I mean, I have to say my parents of course, you know, I think be, I I deeply respect my parents and my dad in particular was a big skeptic.

[01:04:39] Ky Dickens: He was a materialist, you know, he made me defend every single thought I ever had. And he's the most well-read, intelligent person I know. And I was so scared making this project when I started to see what I was seeing and wanna follow the threads and the whole time I had him in my brain, like, what would a deeply skeptical person [01:05:00] who doesn't believe in any of this.

[01:05:01] Ky Dickens: Um, need to know and see and feel. And it's been so beautiful having my dad on this journey with me. 'cause now he believes in a way that he never, never would've. Like a few years ago, I can't tell you how much I cherry cherish Mary Oliver, the poet, I read one of her poems every morning, and it just opens like a portal for me of like, being present.

[01:05:20] Ky Dickens: Like what matters the most is like looking at a frog on a, you know, on a log and not caring about anything. Just like breathing in the sun or a dog without a leash. You know, I am such a lover of, um, world religion. I mean, I, I certainly, um. Cherish, you know, I, you know, Jesus is teaching around love and forgiveness.

[01:05:43] Ky Dickens: I think that can't be understated, like how important it is that that really is the basis of everything. So, I mean, there's so many people who impact my life and, and you know, I think like people like Rupert Sheldrake, who was a biologist at Cambridge and is a biologist at Cambridge, and he wrote so many books on, [01:06:00] uh, telepathy and stuff like that, that, that ended up being a saving grace for me when I was like, what is this?

[01:06:06] Ky Dickens: Has anyone looked into this? And Dean Radden, people like that, who have really been on the forefront of studying this long before it was acceptable.

[01:06:15] Luke Storey: I love Sherick as an example, because he's a, he's a convert, right? He wasn't, he wasn't like some hippie that, you know, got into science. He's a scientist that went, oh wow.

[01:06:25] Luke Storey: I discovered something that I can't deny, and I feel compelled to share that information.

[01:06:29] Ky Dickens: Yeah.

[01:06:30] Luke Storey: I love, I love it when that happens, you

[01:06:31] Ky Dickens: know? Yeah. I mean, there's just so many people that like, it's like my whole world has been influenced by those around me that have inspired me or people who've come before, right.

[01:06:42] Ky Dickens: That have these beautiful teachings. But I mean, nothing inspires me more than like a message of like love and, and inclusion and acceptance. Because I really think, and I think the non speakers would echo that. That's like what we're here to do is meet each other where we're at, and it sounds so trite and so silly, but at the end of the day when, [01:07:00] on any of those questionnaires, when it's like I've asked nons speakers, okay, like, what do you all people know?

[01:07:04] Ky Dickens: What's the most important thing? Like the only thing that matters is love.

[01:07:07] Luke Storey: Wow.

[01:07:08] Ky Dickens: I mean, they're the best teachers. I mean, I can't believe I didn't put so many of the non speakers that we've been working with on this film first. They're absolutely the most critical teachers in my life and their parents.

[01:07:19] Luke Storey: Well, I think that's implicit based on, you know, our conversation and the work you're doing. Right. You wouldn't be motivated to do it otherwise facing, I'm sure the. You know, scrutiny and resistance. You probably have met along the way in certain instances. Alright, so before we go, um, tell me more about your film.

[01:07:34] Luke Storey: When, when's it gonna come out? Where is it going to be featured? Is there a current link we can put in the show notes where people can get on the wait list or anything like that to make sure that they're tapped in?

[01:07:44] Ky Dickens: Yeah, so. The Telepathy of Tapes podcast is currently out. People can find that anywhere.

[01:07:48] Ky Dickens: Spotify, apple, wherever you listen to your podcasts. The documentary has been in the works for literally like over five years.

[01:07:57] Luke Storey: Oh wow.

[01:07:57] Ky Dickens: Yeah. Uh, 'cause the whole podcast [01:08:00] was supposed to be a film and I just couldn't get it funded 'cause it felt, I, I don't know what, you know, and then, and then it turned into a podcast of like, desperation to be like, well, someone notice this, you know, please feels really important.

[01:08:10] Ky Dickens: And then the film funding came in. So it's been a beautiful journey. Um, and we're very excited about the film. And it's gonna be hopefully premiering, you know, in a festival or starting, or maybe theatrically, um, in the fall. Like I'll have all that information probably by the end of next month. And then it's gonna be released on Amazon early next year.

[01:08:31] Ky Dickens: Um, in Q1 of, yeah, 2027. So,

[01:08:34] Luke Storey: oh my God, that's so cool. What a, what a. Amazing contribution to humanity. Thank you for, thank you for doing that work and your commitment to getting this information out there. I, I think it's just, I mean, obviously it's so important for the people that are facing this issue head on families and whatnot, but also just for the expansion of consciousness, right?

[01:08:54] Luke Storey: It's like not everyone's gonna go work with psychedelics and realize. You know [01:09:00] that there's more than, you know, what we, uh, typically experience or meditate for 40 years to get to that place where you, you realize the, the allness and the totality of consciousness. It's like, I think this is, this is a really beautiful kind of shortcut to help people, um, you know, live in a more embodied.

[01:09:17] Luke Storey: Loving state as so many of the people that you've worked with have indicated that's the name of the game here, you know? So I think it's really exciting. I can't, I can't wait to see the film. I'm, I'm obsessed. It's gonna be amazing.

[01:09:29] Ky Dickens: Awesome. Well thank you so much.

[01:09:31] Luke Storey: Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for joining me today.

[01:09:33] Luke Storey: Thanks for, uh, continuing to do the work you do. I can't wait to see and hear more.

[01:09:37] Ky Dickens: Of course. Absolutely. Thank you.

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