[00:00:55] Luke Storey: So it must have been 2014 or [00:01:00] '15 when I got my first rebounder, and I was thinking this morning, where did I even find out about it? I mean, I think I'd seen rebounders, the old school like spring ones- Yeah ... I don't know, at a gym or something like that. Somewhere I learned that this rebounder was quiet-

[00:01:17] Fayth Caruso: Yeah

[00:01:17] Luke Storey: and not as jarring to the system. So I got it, and I've gone through... I mean, not the frame part of it, but I've gone through a few of the, what is the net thing on top? What's that called?

[00:01:27] Fayth Caruso: The mats. The

[00:01:28] Luke Storey: mat. The mat. Yeah. Yeah. I've gone through a few of those.

[00:01:30] Fayth Caruso: Yeah.

[00:01:30] Luke Storey: Um, mostly because I haven't been good about bringing it inside often enough.

[00:01:35] Fayth Caruso: Yeah.

[00:01:35] Luke Storey: Uh, so I leave it outside, and then eventually, you know, sun, heat, cold, all that stuff gets to it. But it, I was thinking about today, it's one of the most I would, I would say actually it is the most long-standing fitness-related thing that I've ever done. Like, it's the thing I've never fallen out of the habit of.

[00:01:56] Fayth Caruso: Yeah.

[00:01:57] Luke Storey: And there were times when I tried running or lifting [00:02:00] weights, or God forbid, going to a gym, et cetera, and those things kinda come and go.

[00:02:04] Fayth Caruso: Yes.

[00:02:05] Luke Storey: But rebounding is something that is just, like, totally part of my life now.

[00:02:10] Fayth Caruso: Yeah. Steadfast.

[00:02:11] Luke Storey: And I've been waiting for all these years to, like, find someone to talk to about it-

[00:02:15] Luke Storey: that knows a bit, so I'm really excited for this conversation. It's, it's such kind of a niche topic- It is ... but I think it's something that, um, most people are totally unaware of.

[00:02:26] Fayth Caruso: It's true.

[00:02:27] Luke Storey: You know, they think, "Oh, a trampoline. Yeah, you put a trampoline in the backyard for the kids." It's like, no, it's not that.

[00:02:32] Luke Storey: There's much more. But I don't really, I don't really know why I love it so much. Yep. So I'm excited to, uh, to get your perspective. But tell me, you know, a bit about your origin story, you know, how you went from, uh, dancing and all the different, you know, Pilates and the things in your background that led you to being a bouncer.

[00:02:50] Fayth Caruso: Ooh, I love that. A bouncer. That's perfect.

[00:02:53] Luke Storey: Not to be confused with- Clubs ... someone who works outside a bar.

[00:02:56] Fayth Caruso: It's all good. I didn't take it like that, but I do feel like [00:03:00] that's my new title, bouncer. I love it. Um-

[00:03:02] Luke Storey: You should be like head bouncer.

[00:03:03] Fayth Caruso: Head bouncer. Yeah. We need a T-shirt.

[00:03:06] Luke Storey: Yeah. We'll work

[00:03:06] Fayth Caruso: on that together.

[00:03:07] Fayth Caruso: Yeah. Um, yeah, I was a dancer. I still am a dancer, always a dancer, I think we all are, uh, in New York City, and I was teaching at a very well-known studio. It was right across from the Bryant Park New York City Public Library on the penthouse on 42nd and Fifth Avenue. And, um, I had always hated cardio, even though I was a dancer.

[00:03:28] Fayth Caruso: It just didn't feel good. It felt like work. And, um, but I needed it. I needed something that was gonna give those good endorphins. And so, uh, the owners of the studio said, "Hey, we've got this new concept. It's, it's rebounding." And it was on a spring trampoline at the time. "Do you wanna teach it? We think you'd be perfect."

[00:03:43] Fayth Caruso: I'm like, "Okay. I'll, I'll learn." So I did the certification, started teaching, and just fell in love with it for the joy factor. I didn't really know the health benefits, but I thought, "This is something that feels really good, just like dance, and is really joyful." And we had people coming in from all walks of life in New York City who [00:04:00] were all able to do it, from, you know, the fit person to the aging retiree and injured people.

[00:04:06] Fayth Caruso: And so it was this beautiful thing, and we started with this, yeah, these, these springs, these squeaky springs in New York City. So that's how it began.

[00:04:15] Luke Storey: So you had like a room full of people on the, the spring rebounders? It must have been loud.

[00:04:20] Fayth Caruso: Yes, horribly loud. It

[00:04:22] Luke Storey: sounded- Even just one of those things is really annoying

[00:04:25] Fayth Caruso: it sounded like sex on a mattress, essentially, f- but 20 New Yorkers- Wow ... and it was loud. But they had a blast, and we'd turn up the music and, um, and it was just the best thing. And then one day, I saw this tall German man walk in with a hot pink bungeed rebounder, and I'm like, "What is that? I've never thought of a bungee instead of spring."

[00:04:45] Fayth Caruso: So that was kind of my first, um, you know, experimentation with bungees, and it felt really different than the spring.

[00:04:52] Luke Storey: What's your take on how we've become disconnected from movement?

[00:04:57] Fayth Caruso: Mm.

[00:04:58] Luke Storey: Seems like the more [00:05:00] we, quote, end quote, evolve Yeah ... I, I would argue that we're actually devolving.

[00:05:07] Fayth Caruso: We are devolving.

[00:05:08] Luke Storey: Just because, you know, like I've been, I've been working out in the yard, uh, the past couple weeks. Yeah. Um, really like a lot of white boy lessons on how to not do landscaping. Uh, you know, I'm, I'm trying to learn, but when I'm out there working I'm like, "Oh, this feels really good." Like, I'm working out- Yeah

[00:05:25] Luke Storey: but it doesn't feel like I'm working out because I, I have a, a goal, right?

[00:05:29] Fayth Caruso: Sure.

[00:05:29] Luke Storey: And I was thinking about, you know, back in the day, right, we'd be farming or hunting or foraging. Absolutely. We would just be moving.

[00:05:36] Fayth Caruso: Yes.

[00:05:37] Luke Storey: And if I didn't make myself do that or something else- Yeah ... like a lot of my life would be sitting.

[00:05:42] Fayth Caruso: Sedentary. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, I think that we have become very denaturalized and, and sedentary. We used to walk everywhere, grow our food, pick our food, and incorporate play from a really young age. Even if you look at children now, ooh, they're playing outside less. They're in front of [00:06:00] screens more.

[00:06:00] Fayth Caruso: They're told to sit down. You know, and essentially that's, that's a loss of freedom. You know, the minute you stop moving you lose your freedom, and it affects our emotional health, our mental health. So we're, we're in a crisis. We have a real problem, and I think a lot of people are told the solution is to join a workout platform or a gym and do something that you don't like to do.

[00:06:19] Fayth Caruso: And nobody wants to do something that they don't enjoy that also doesn't feel good. And so we're in this crisis of, yeah, move and do something that you don't enjoy, and that goes against every intuition in the human body. So I think the solution is either, okay, we have to go back to the lifestyle of hunting, gathering, walking everywhere, which we know we can't do in most parts of the world, or we have to find something that really brings us joy.

[00:06:45] Luke Storey: And for you, bouncing has become one of those things.

[00:06:48] Fayth Caruso: Yes. It's the thing.

[00:06:50] Luke Storey: I was, uh, I was looking at, uh, one of those studies, I don't know if the... it was the Blue Zones or it was one of these population studies, 'cause everyone's [00:07:00] always trying to figure out what the best diet is and so on. And, uh, I wish I could remember what it was.

[00:07:04] Luke Storey: It might have even been the Blue Zones, but where people age gracefully- Yes ... and, and live long. And the one common denominator was just the amount, uh, of miles they walk- Yes ... right? The

[00:07:15] Fayth Caruso: walking. And

[00:07:16] Luke Storey: there's like, I don't know, somewhere in the Mediterranean, in Italy or south of France, right? Greece. This hilly village where people live to

[00:07:23] Fayth Caruso: 110.

[00:07:23] Fayth Caruso: 100%.

[00:07:24] Luke Storey: I'm just like, oh, 'cause they're, they don't have a car, you know? Yeah.

[00:07:27] Fayth Caruso: It's as simple as that. And they're, they're not doing gym memberships or online workouts or anything, but yeah, the community is set up in a way that that's the lifestyle. And especially in the US, we don't have that. We have our mega cars and lots of places to go.

[00:07:39] Fayth Caruso: Unless

[00:07:40] Luke Storey: you live in New York City. I mean, that is one- Yes ... that is one place.

[00:07:42] Fayth Caruso: And I'm a New Yorker, so I did- Yeah ... I did walk a lot. So yeah, it is the one place, probably the only one.

[00:07:47] Luke Storey: W- how much do you think general stagnation in the body has to do with aging? I think it's- The onset of disease ...

[00:07:56] Fayth Caruso: it's everything.

[00:07:57] Fayth Caruso: I think it's not just physical disease, but [00:08:00] emotional, spiritual, mental. We're absolutely connected with movement in the body. If you look at our nervous system, if you look at our gut, if you look at every system in the body, you cannot disconnect from movement. We're meant to move. And I've interviewed multiple people leading to 100, and that is the one common advice they give is, movement is life, and you have to continue it.

[00:08:22] Fayth Caruso: It's, it's, it's non-negotiable.

[00:08:25] Luke Storey: What about our Proprioception-

[00:08:29] Fayth Caruso: Mm ...

[00:08:30] Luke Storey: and just how we, you know, kind of move through space and time.

[00:08:34] Fayth Caruso: Ooh, perfect.

[00:08:34] Luke Storey: Some- something I do a lot on the rebounder is just, like I asked you before we started, like- Yeah ... will you give me a lesson? 'Cause I've never actually- Yeah ... learned how to properly- No problem

[00:08:43] Luke Storey: use it. But I do things that feel difficult, right? Yeah. I'll just do different movements that I feel like I might fall- Yeah ... if I don't really pay attention. Yes. And part of that is just my own intuitive kind of anti-aging.

[00:08:56] Fayth Caruso: Yeah.

[00:08:57] Luke Storey: And if you, if you s- look at [00:09:00] elderly people, um, they tend to fall down a lot, right?

[00:09:03] Luke Storey: Yeah. They fall in the shower, this and that. They kind of just lose their ability- Yes ... to-

[00:09:07] Fayth Caruso: Yes ...

[00:09:08] Luke Storey: be agile. So give me everything you got on that.

[00:09:10] Fayth Caruso: Yeah. So proprioception, I think, is one of those things that we don't realize how important it is until we lose it or we're starting to lose it. It's your ability to feel your body in space, your posture, your awareness, your understanding of, um, where you're located to prevent falling and to keep you literally moving through life.

[00:09:27] Fayth Caruso: So without uneven surfaces, you know, back in the day, we would maybe have sand or dirt or rocks, and we would be barefoot and working through those uneven surfaces. And so naturally, our proprioception was challenged and continued to be challenged. We don't have that anymore. We've got shoes. We have concrete.

[00:09:44] Fayth Caruso: We've got solid, even surfaces. So we've taken that away, so we need that, that uneven surface, that malleability to challenge that proprioception. We have... I have a client who started rebounding when she was 87 because she had fallen on the ice in [00:10:00] Chicago, and she said, "I'm so scared of falling and losing my freedom to move through the city."

[00:10:06] Fayth Caruso: And so she started rebounding, and it was amazing that even at 87, to see her awareness grow, her balance, her body awareness in space to the point that she's now in her mid-90s and is continuing to improve, that you can see that in that stage of life is just beautiful. So we need that to stay free in our movement.

[00:10:27] Fayth Caruso: If we don't have it, we, we lose that. We end up, you know, in the wheelchair with the walker. It's... So your intuition is so spot on.

[00:10:35] Luke Storey: Balance and coordination.

[00:10:37] Fayth Caruso: Balance, coordination, we need that challenge, and, you know, it's, it's turning the head. It's seeing the mountains, seeing the birds, changing our o- you know, we're in a screen here.

[00:10:47] Fayth Caruso: We never have a proprioception challenge. It's connecting with somebody and making eye contact and really, you know, being with them. It's all of those things, and so we need that challenge. We need that 100%, [00:11:00] and so I call it, like, brain food. You know, I call it brain food.

[00:11:03] Luke Storey: Well, I think that's, that's the part of any kind of fitness that is appealing to me.

[00:11:08] Luke Storey: It's not so much about, um- Like the aesthetics- Yeah ... or, I don't know, like strength or any of that, right? Like, a lot of guys are into-

[00:11:18] Fayth Caruso: Yeah ...

[00:11:19] Luke Storey: staying fit for different reasons. To me, it's more the mental and emotional. Mm-hmm. I know if I start to have this thing called the Carol bike, this AI bike, which is amazing- Yeah

[00:11:28] Luke Storey: 'cause it's like five to 15-minute workout, and it just totally smokes you. So it's- Perfect ... it's over before I know it. But I'll start to feel, I don't know, just stressed out, overwhelmed, anxiety, 'cause I just live up in my head so much. Yeah. And then I'll get the idea, like, "Oh, maybe I should get back on the Carol bike."

[00:11:46] Luke Storey: I do that like two or three times a week, and I'm like, "Oh my God, I feel like I just went to therapy." Exactly. It's like-

[00:11:52] Fayth Caruso: Yeah ...

[00:11:53] Luke Storey: what happened? I'm starting to track, like, oh dude, you need to move. Yeah. Like, you need to get your blood pumping.

[00:11:58] Fayth Caruso: Yeah.

[00:11:59] Luke Storey: And it's almost [00:12:00] like, I don't know, there's some relationship between There's like a, how do I explain it?

[00:12:07] Luke Storey: I'm still kind of trying to flesh out this idea, but okay, because we w- w- we live these days so much in the mind, right? And so much of the- Yes ... stress that we experience is of the mental or emotional nature. Yes. And at the same time, we've divorced our body from stress.

[00:12:24] Fayth Caruso: Correct.

[00:12:24] Luke Storey: Right? So it's like the mind is undergoing this load of stress, and the body isn't building the resilience to be able to hold it.

[00:12:34] Fayth Caruso: Yes. Yeah.

[00:12:34] Luke Storey: That's kind of the connection I'm, I'm starting to make in a sort of crude way. Do, do you understand that, or do

[00:12:41] Fayth Caruso: you have anything to add to that? Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, we store... So I think, I think we're a very heady society, and even, even, you know, when we go to therapy, we're not moving most of the time.

[00:12:50] Fayth Caruso: Some, some therapists are incorporating, we have some therapists incorporating rebounding, which is amazing. But if you think about it, like to me, the likely place to do therapy is on a walk outside. How [00:13:00] can we talk w- and be disconnected from our body? Um, s- 'cause we hold trauma in the body. We hold memories in the body.

[00:13:06] Fayth Caruso: It's stored in the fascia. It's stored throughout our whole system. So we can think of it sometimes as the reverse. Rather than talking and trying to figure out what's not going on in our head, we move our body. We start to understand what's happening from here down, and then we trust that through the movement, it will heal the mind.

[00:13:25] Fayth Caruso: And it could be because of the good endorphins, which we know scientifically based help our mood. I mean, that's non-negotiable for any movement. It could be because when we rebound, for example, or a lot of movement, the fascia is loosened, which helps release trauma and stress in the body. It could be a vibrational movement relaxes the nervous system with that repetition.

[00:13:47] Fayth Caruso: I mean, even just- Right ... doing this with my hands, I'm like, oh.

[00:13:50] Luke Storey: Right. Like some of the, some of the qigong stuff.

[00:13:53] Fayth Caruso: Qigong, exactly.

[00:13:54] Luke Storey: Yeah. You

[00:13:54] Fayth Caruso: can-

[00:13:55] Luke Storey: Which is something I've always wanted to kind of learn for real. Oh. But I'll do my [00:14:00] own version of it sometimes. Beautiful. If, if I'm like stressed out, I'll just- It shifts

[00:14:03] Luke Storey: I'll just shake.

[00:14:04] Fayth Caruso: Here. I mean, you-

[00:14:05] Luke Storey: I'll just shake and breathe deeply for like two minutes and go, oh, everything's fine. Why?

[00:14:09] Fayth Caruso: Exactly. It's like Yeah, what happened?

[00:14:11] Luke Storey: It's such a quick reset.

[00:14:12] Fayth Caruso: It is. It is. So I mean, we, we, we're working in the reverse way. And, and, and I think that I've done a lot of, a lot of therapy myself, and it, and I, when I don't move, it's less effective.

[00:14:23] Fayth Caruso: When I move with it, it's making sense in a, in a way that I can't explain- Mm-hmm ... that only my body understands. Mm-hmm.

[00:14:30] Luke Storey: Yeah.

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[00:14:52] Luke Storey: And I'm guessing I'm not the only one. But what most people don't realize is that a lot of that comes down to magnesium deficiency. Between [00:15:00] stress and just getting older, your body burns through it faster than you can replace it, and magnesium is what your nervous system needs to shut things down at night.

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[00:16:10] Luke Storey: Um, going back to the coordination, balance, proprioception, you've raised something really interesting, and that is we live in a completely flat world. Yeah. That is... That's weird. I don't know that I've- It's weird ... thought about that, right?

[00:16:25] Fayth Caruso: Yeah. '

[00:16:25] Luke Storey: Cause when you go on a hike-

[00:16:27] Fayth Caruso: Yeah ...

[00:16:27] Luke Storey: I mean, you're constantly having to pivot- Constantly

[00:16:29] Luke Storey: and, you know, adjust yourself- Yeah ... for something slippery, something sharp- Yeah ... something soft. It's like there- Yeah ... in the natural world-

[00:16:37] Fayth Caruso: Yeah ...

[00:16:38] Luke Storey: you're never going to find, like, flat planes like in our house. No. And I, I've thought about this idea. For any entrepreneurs out there, I, I always give ideas on the show.

[00:16:48] Luke Storey: Oh. No one's run with any of my ideas so far- ... so maybe they're not that hot. But, um, I've imagined building a home, right, where you have totally uneven, like, pebbles. Yeah. You know, like those [00:17:00] pebble- Natural surface ... shower tiles. Uh-huh. That kind of thing.

[00:17:02] Fayth Caruso: Yeah.

[00:17:02] Luke Storey: But more, um, more varied than- Yeah ... you would get on the little pebbles.

[00:17:06] Luke Storey: So something like- Absolutely ... your house even is never flat so that you're always getting- Yeah ... that, that feedback. Um, it probably sounds very uncomfortable and inconvenient. Yeah, that's why. But it could be a, it'd be a cool idea. We could try it. I mean, they have some mats, right, where you-

[00:17:20] Fayth Caruso: They do.

[00:17:21] Luke Storey: But what if your whole house was just like

[00:17:23] Fayth Caruso: that?

[00:17:23] Fayth Caruso: The whole house. I mean, I love it. I'm totally for it. Organic surfaces.

[00:17:27] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:17:27] Fayth Caruso: Maybe no stairs. We're having to trek.

[00:17:30] Luke Storey: Exactly. I'm totally for it. Exactly, yeah. Um, I did learn a hard lesson many years ago. About the same time I got my first rebounder, I read a book called, I think it's called Born to Run, and it's kind of about- Oh, yeah, I've read that book

[00:17:41] Luke Storey: the barefooting. Mm-hmm. You know? And I was like, "Oh, hell yeah."

[00:17:44] Fayth Caruso: I've read it.

[00:17:44] Luke Storey: And I was living in, in LA in the Hollywood Hills where everything's asphalt, and so I started, like, using, uh, my earth runners, like minimal- Yeah ... uh, grounded sandals that are very thin, so it's like being barefoot. And I got kind of into running with those, and I totally trashed my [00:18:00] knees.

[00:18:00] Luke Storey: Oh. I was like... And then I realized, like, oh, this barefoot and, like, minimal shoe f- you know, trend- Yeah ... is amazing, but these- You know, tribes in Mexico that were running, you know, winning all these races, they're not running on freaking streets

[00:18:15] Fayth Caruso: Yeah

[00:18:16] Luke Storey: So there is, you know, there's the disconnect

[00:18:19] Fayth Caruso: It's true.

[00:18:19] Fayth Caruso: Yeah, I know. I- that's a beautiful book. I've read it. Yeah, they're running on sand and earth, and it's shock-absorbing. But also, I think they do it from such a young age that they're so strong. You know, at some point, we hit a point where shoes are more socially acceptable than being barefoot, and that's... I always get excited when people say, "Shoes off."

[00:18:38] Fayth Caruso: I'm like, "Yes."

[00:18:38] Luke Storey: Do you, you see the sign on our front door? I

[00:18:40] Fayth Caruso: saw the sign. I was like, "This is my place." Yeah.

[00:18:42] Luke Storey: Yeah. There's a lot of reasons for that, but yeah, I... To me, I would go barefoot everywhere if I could get away with it.

[00:18:49] Fayth Caruso: Me too. Absolutely.

[00:18:51] Luke Storey: Ab- Like, shoes are so annoying, especially when you start to, like, just, y- you know, with the barefoot kind of trend and the minimal foot where you see these, [00:19:00] uh, you know, photos or illustrations of the shape of the human foot- Yes

[00:19:04] Luke Storey: right? And it's shaped like this, and all of our shoes are shaped like that.

[00:19:07] Fayth Caruso: It makes no sense, and the shoe box is narrow- ... so we can't spread our toes, and-

[00:19:11] Luke Storey: It's the opposite of how a human foot is shaped.

[00:19:14] Fayth Caruso: Correct. And the f- I'm a big fan of feet conversations. We can have a whole podcast on feet, but the feet are so important.

[00:19:20] Fayth Caruso: It's our foundation. It's like a, it's, you know, the foundation of your home. Your body's your home, and if you don't have that strength and that connection with the foundation of your home, the rest of the home can't connect. Um.

[00:19:33] Luke Storey: So, uh, back when I was a y- young, uh, like really wanting to be cool, a little rock and roller- Which lasted for maybe like 14 to 30 years old or something.

[00:19:46] Luke Storey: I always wore, um, when I was a kid, I had really big... I mean, I do have big feet. I have, like, size 13 feet. I'm 6'2", kind of makes sense. But I used to be super skinny, like 135 pounds. Mm. So when I was a kid, kids would tease me about my huge [00:20:00] feet. Oh,

[00:20:00] Fayth Caruso: gosh.

[00:20:01] Luke Storey: And, um, you know, "Why'd you wear skis to school?" All this kind of stuff, right?

[00:20:04] Luke Storey: So I started wearing shoes that were too small- Oh, my god ... 'cause I was insecure about that. And then I started kinda getting my own steez together. I started wearing, like, beetle boots, like, really skinny boots. Um, and eventually what happened is I kind of, like, deformed my feet almost like- Yeah ... Chinese foot binding.

[00:20:21] Luke Storey: Yes. Yeah. So now my toes are, like, totally jacked. So as much as I love being barefoot, you're never gonna see me barefoot on camera. On camera. I'm just like-

[00:20:28] Fayth Caruso: Not brave enough.

[00:20:29] Luke Storey: Yeah. But I think, um, there's a real issue with just, I don't know, we kind of ignore our feet. Yeah. I know people in the functional movement space are really into, like, um, you know, mobility trainers and stuff- Yeah

[00:20:41] Luke Storey: are really into reconditioning your feet and- It's huge ... wearing toe spacers and things like that. Yeah. But, um, I look at women, man, that, you know- Oh ... wear high heels. I'm just like, "Oh, my God."

[00:20:52] Fayth Caruso: It's... Yeah. I- I threw mine out a long time ago. You did? You won't see me in them ever again.

[00:20:58] Luke Storey: Do you think you've caused [00:21:00] yourself harm for wearing...

[00:21:01] Luke Storey: Did you wear them- You

[00:21:02] Fayth Caruso: know- ...

[00:21:02] Luke Storey: long enough or consistently enough?

[00:21:04] Fayth Caruso: No. I, but y- I did through pointe shoes. I mean, I did ballet pointe, so I have just from being in pointe shoes, bunions that I'm constantly working through and with. So many people have told me to have surgery on them, and I don't need it 'cause I'm able to strengthen the feet in a way that avoids it.

[00:21:20] Fayth Caruso: But yeah, s- ballet shoes did, did me in. But I never was in heels long enough to... I couldn't brave it.

[00:21:26] Luke Storey: Uh, we went to a, um, f- we hardly ever go out, my wife and I, but we went to a film premiere, um, called Illusion. Great film. I interviewed the, the, uh, director last week. And, uh, on the invite was, like, you know, black tie, formal dress code or wherever.

[00:21:43] Luke Storey: I'm like, "Oh, my God." Okay. Really, guys? So Allison, my wife, uh, you know, wore some, I mean, like, low heels. Yeah. And, like, she could bare- barely make it a block, you know. That was me. She was just dying 'cause she hasn't worn them in so long. Guilty. Yeah. And I'm like, "Oh, we just get habituated to [00:22:00] things that are- Yeah

[00:22:00] Luke Storey: so harmful," and you just kind of grin and bear it until- It's painful ... it becomes normal.

[00:22:04] Fayth Caruso: It is. It's true. It's true. I, I can't wear them anymore either. I feel for her. I would've been throwing them off in a, a block most definitely.

[00:22:12] Luke Storey: Yeah, it just looks so unnatural.

[00:22:15] Fayth Caruso: It is. It's uncomfortable. Um- But if you like them More power to you.

[00:22:19] Fayth Caruso: But I couldn't

[00:22:20] Luke Storey: Tell me about, uh, children and their movement. I think young kids, especially toddlers, you know, when they first start to learn to crawl and walk-

[00:22:30] Fayth Caruso: Yeah ...

[00:22:30] Luke Storey: it's so interesting to see their range of motion and fluidity and just how they move, like little, little baby monkeys. I'm, I'm like jealous of how they move.

[00:22:41] Fayth Caruso: Yeah. Yeah. Children intuitively, if you let them take risks and be, uh, they're on the ground, they're upside down, we're meant to keep doing that really, truly, like risk-taking. The more that you can do what a child does as you age, the better [00:23:00] off you are, especially getting down to the ground and back up Getting to the floor, getting back up is such an important skill that children just do intuitively all day long that I tell everybody, "If there's one thing you can do is get up and down from the ground with no hands, do that."

[00:23:13] Fayth Caruso: There's a sense of play. They don't have any awareness that they're playing and that they're moving and that they're doing all of these things, and they're doing it. So we're, they're creating that environment, and there's joy. So the more that you can keep that as an adult, that sense of play, that sense of joy, that- that lack of awareness, you know, they're completely in their body.

[00:23:33] Fayth Caruso: When we step into a gym, we're so aware. Mirrors, lights, music, people around us. Kids don't care. They're just in their body intuitively. So I'm constantly, as an adult, trying to get back to that place, that childlike play and joy, just completely aware.

[00:23:51] Luke Storey: The, uh, the, the getting up and down thing reminds me of a show I did, God, a long time ago.

[00:23:57] Luke Storey: It was an early one with Katy Bowman, who's a [00:24:00] natural movement expert. Mm-hmm. And she was telling me about her house, and they don't have any normal furniture.

[00:24:07] Fayth Caruso: Yep.

[00:24:07] Luke Storey: Right? It's like their whole house is kind of like a jungle gym. Yes. And they, everything's on the floor. You know? Love it. Just there's cushions on the floor.

[00:24:14] Luke Storey: So you, you, you, you, you basically create your living environment so that you're never sedentary. Yeah. You always have to get up and down off the floor.

[00:24:23] Fayth Caruso: 100%. I tell people, "When you're working, like, be on the floor," because your body is gonna tell you, like, if you have to be on your computer, for example, your body's gonna tell you when you need to move.

[00:24:33] Fayth Caruso: If you're sitting at a, on a chair, it's, it's not gonna give you a signal. But when you're on the floor, you're gonna f- it's gonna give you pain signals or stress or, you know, stretching needs, and it's gonna, you're gonna move intuitively. So- That's a

[00:24:45] Luke Storey: really good point ...

[00:24:45] Fayth Caruso: like, make yourself a little uncomfortable.

[00:24:48] Luke Storey: What do you think of, uh, standing desks?

[00:24:53] Fayth Caruso: I, so I've toyed with getting one. I mean, and also, like, the walk, you know, there's the walkers- Yeah ... and all the things. Yeah. And [00:25:00] sometimes I, I'll bounce on a standing desk. Like, I sometimes will bring it up to the bar in my kitchen and have the rebounder there and bounce and drive people crazy, you know, moving my head like this in a meeting.

[00:25:09] Fayth Caruso: Um, so I think, I think it's great. Standing desks are a good solution to that, for sure, but, um, like anything, if you're only here all day and you're not challenging your focus and your proprioception, I think we've gotta just change positions throughout the day.

[00:25:24] Luke Storey: Yeah, I think when- Yeah ... when that started to become popular, I got one, and I have one now.

[00:25:29] Luke Storey: Yeah. It's, like, adjustable, and I end up never standing. Yeah, yeah. 'Cause it's like-

[00:25:34] Fayth Caruso: Yeah ...

[00:25:34] Luke Storey: I don't think we're meant to be sitting for hours- Yeah ... or standing for hours.

[00:25:38] Fayth Caruso: We need to move.

[00:25:39] Luke Storey: You know? Both- Yeah ... extremes.

[00:25:41] Fayth Caruso: Exactly.

[00:25:41] Luke Storey: So it's like, I don't know, maybe they'll make, like, you know, VR goggles where you- ... you can just be moving around, cruising around, and get computer work done at the same time.

[00:25:48] Luke Storey: Exactly.

[00:25:48] Fayth Caruso: Read your mind.

[00:25:50] Luke Storey: Why is a low impact movement important as we age?

[00:25:56] Fayth Caruso: Yeah. So as we age, we tend to have stress and, stress [00:26:00] and strain on the joints sometimes in a negative way, and we sometimes need that low impact nature. If somebody has getting arthritis or anything like that. And so when you have something low impact, you can do it for longer periods of time without that stress and strain.

[00:26:13] Fayth Caruso: We have a lot of people who cannot do cardio for long stretches because they're in pain, their joints are in pain from the impact. And so to have an option that you can do for longer stretches without adding that, that wrong impact is huge, especially as we age and we need that care, that sense of care.

[00:26:30] Luke Storey: What about, uh, you mentioned fascia earlier- Yeah ... what about fascia and elasticity and just kind of range of motion? Yeah. Because many of us get older- Yeah ... myself included, it's like things start to just get constricted, right?

[00:26:47] Fayth Caruso: I feel it. I just turned 40, and I do feel that more c- constricted is the right word.

[00:26:52] Fayth Caruso: That lack of kind of freedom and confidence of I can take a risk without something happening. Um, yeah, the fascia's, you know, our [00:27:00] interconnective tissue, it's really important. It's like the gateway to everything in the body, and so we need it to stay malleable and alive and living. A lot of exercise, walking, treadmills, ellipticals, bikes, you know, we're very much in the frontal plane all the time, so we're not rotating, we're not moving laterally, we're not extending the spine.

[00:27:22] Fayth Caruso: And so we have to change those spinal positions to have a full, rounded, uh, like healthy body and also to move the f- move the fascia and loosen it throughout the body. So rebounding does that. I mean, if you can walk and talk to a friend, you know, you'll have a similar effect, but you've... We've gotta move in those different planes of motions, and that will loosen our fascia and our body.

[00:27:43] Fayth Caruso: I think we're all, everybody knows stretching is important, but fascia mobility work, I think, is equally important to keep that connectivity.

[00:27:51] Luke Storey: One of the things I do, one of, one of my homemade routines Love that ... on the rebounder is, like, as I jump, I kind of [00:28:00] twist my torso, but I stay facing forward- Yes ... if that makes sense.

[00:28:03] Luke Storey: Only my lower body is- Sure ... kind of pivoting. I don't know where I came up with it, but it feels good. Is there any logic to that?

[00:28:09] Fayth Caruso: It is. Okay. So you listen to your body, which I love when people make homemade workouts that are intuitive. Um, but yeah, you're rotating your spine, 'cause how often in the day are you rotating it maybe to, you know, back your car out or turn to a friend?

[00:28:24] Fayth Caruso: So you're rotating. When we rotate the spine, it's kind of like winging out, wringing out a wet rag, so you're detoxing and lengthening the spine through that movement, and it's really, really great for our spine and also for, um, all of the tissue and all of the organs that surround our spine and our ribcage, which is everything that's vital and important, so.

[00:28:43] Fayth Caruso: Yeah,

[00:28:43] Luke Storey: it kind of feels like, um, the internal organs are getting a bit of a massage. They

[00:28:48] Fayth Caruso: are detoxing.

[00:28:49] Luke Storey: They're not used to being-

[00:28:51] Fayth Caruso: Yes ...

[00:28:51] Luke Storey: twisted around

[00:28:51] Fayth Caruso: like that. They're getting wrung out. It's like a de- de- detoxification. The lymphatic system is doing its job.

[00:28:57] Luke Storey: What do you think about, uh, [00:29:00] vibration therapy, like vibra- The vibration plates

[00:29:01] Luke Storey: vibration plates?

[00:29:02] Fayth Caruso: Yeah, so I love vibration plates. Um, I'm a big fan of them and, and pairing it with rebounding. Um, I think, you know, different effects. I always say the vibration loosens things, but you may not, you know, also get the cardiovascular benefits and, you know, o- other benefits that you would get with rebounding.

[00:29:20] Fayth Caruso: But, um, it definitely will wake up the lymphatic system. I also love things that don't plug in. I know that sounds weird, but to not have to plug something in to make it work and have that electricity is just, like, beautiful to me.

[00:29:33] Luke Storey: Oh, I, I agree.

[00:29:35] Fayth Caruso: I know that's weird. I

[00:29:36] Luke Storey: agree.

[00:29:36] Fayth Caruso: But to have something I can do to move the lymph that's like I don't have to have an outlet or I can take it in the sun.

[00:29:42] Fayth Caruso: But, but yeah, I mean, if you, if you work with vibration plates, I think they're great to loosen the lymph.

[00:29:46] Luke Storey: I, uh, I've been using one for probably about 10 years in conjunction with the rebounder. Yeah,

[00:29:52] Fayth Caruso: that's the way to do

[00:29:53] Luke Storey: it. But then I've read... You know, you see these things on TikTok or whatever. There's so much fear-mongering.

[00:29:58] Luke Storey: Yeah. I didn't look that [00:30:00] deeply into it, but it was a critique of vibration plates that in essence said that you're giving yourself mini concussions, you know- Oh, my gosh ... by vibrating on it. So now I'm, now I'm, like, extra- Now you're a little bit- ... aware of keeping my knees really bent, right? Yeah. 'Cause if you straighten your legs on a vibe plate- Yes

[00:30:18] Luke Storey: you can really feel your head kinda rattle. Yeah, yeah. It, it is a strange- Yes ... feeling, so.

[00:30:22] Fayth Caruso: Yeah, I mean, I am not that... I'm not a fan definitely of that rattling. Like, it... For me, it would be more, it would be too much. Um, but yeah, I know what you mean. But boy, now I have a whole nother image. It's so funny. But I, I, I've not read anything bad.

[00:30:36] Fayth Caruso: I think that if it moves lymph through the body, it's great. But yeah, I, I, I like, yeah, the freedom of move- I'm not, I don't use it personally, but I think if it works and you feel the lymph moving, it's a good starter, you know, before you rebound.

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[00:32:38] Luke Storey: With rebounding, something that, another thing that I kind of just intuitively invented, and I have no idea if there's any logic to this or if it's in, if it's good for you, but I'll go jump on the Bellicon and, uh, and then I'll go on the inversion table-

[00:32:53] Fayth Caruso: Yeah ...

[00:32:54] Luke Storey: and just hang upside down as long as I can stand it.

[00:32:56] Luke Storey: Sure. I, for some reason, I feel like getting [00:33:00] everything moving, the lymph, the blood flow, all of that- Yeah ... and then hanging upside down- Inverting ... seems to make sense, but then I was like, "Oh, what if I'm moving all the toxins in my lymphatic system and I'm like shuttling them directly into the brain from hanging upside down?"

[00:33:14] Luke Storey: What, what... Have you looked into that? No. Or what's your take on that?

[00:33:17] Fayth Caruso: So you can't do that because the lymphatic system, you know, it, it moves, it moves vertically. It needs a pump. So when you rebound, it's the, you know, that's the pump essentially. You know, and our, we, the heart moves our blood. We don't... The lymphatic system doesn't have its own pump.

[00:33:31] Fayth Caruso: So you've gotta pump it, and that can be exercise, water, massage. Um, rebounding is a big, like, fan favorite for lymphatic movement because the lymphatic system moves vertically through the body. And so how many exercises can we do that are vertically moving that we can do for a long period of time? I mean, we can't jump rope for 30 minutes, you know, on and off all day.

[00:33:53] Fayth Caruso: We just can't. And it's also low impact. So when you're rebounding, you're gonna get the lymphatic, and you're not gonna hurt yourself by [00:34:00] inverting afterwards because you need some sort of a pump to move the lymph. You've moved it. You know, drink water.

[00:34:06] Luke Storey: Got it.

[00:34:06] Fayth Caruso: Help it pass. If it feels good to invert, I say go for it.

[00:34:09] Fayth Caruso: I have a silk. I invert and do silks.

[00:34:11] Luke Storey: Oh, cool.

[00:34:12] Fayth Caruso: It feels so good.

[00:34:13] Luke Storey: Like the, uh, what, what are those things called? Uh- It,

[00:34:15] Fayth Caruso: it's a silk suspension. Yeah,

[00:34:17] Luke Storey: yeah, yeah. So

[00:34:17] Fayth Caruso: I'll just hang upside down, and it feels glorious.

[00:34:20] Luke Storey: Those are rad.

[00:34:20] Fayth Caruso: And we have, you know, we have the lymphatic system also in the brain, so-

[00:34:25] Luke Storey: Oh, really?

[00:34:26] Fayth Caruso: Yes. So-

[00:34:27] Luke Storey: Interesting. I always think it's, like, just under your armpits

[00:34:30] Fayth Caruso: It, yeah, it's called... I, I believe it's called the glymphatic system-

[00:34:33] Luke Storey: Oh, yeah, yeah. Right, right ...

[00:34:34] Fayth Caruso: up there. So if, so yeah, I mean, I bet you're f- n- getting something with the inversion from that would be my guess.

[00:34:41] Luke Storey: I mean, it feels good.

[00:34:42] Fayth Caruso: Inverting's wonderful.

[00:34:43] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:34:43] Fayth Caruso: It's wonderful.

[00:34:44] Luke Storey: It feels good, so I just keep doing it. Keep

[00:34:46] Fayth Caruso: doing it.

[00:34:46] Luke Storey: I feel like the- S- you know, this s- not just spinal, but whole skeletal decompression

[00:34:53] Fayth Caruso: You have the decompression, yeah ...

[00:34:54] Luke Storey: right? And so-

[00:34:55] Fayth Caruso: 100% ...

[00:34:56] Luke Storey: the, the forces of, I don't know, buoyancy and [00:35:00] density. People call it gravity.

[00:35:01] Luke Storey: I'm not certain that gravity really exists in the way that we've been, we've been taught. But, uh, whatever you wanna call it- Yeah ... there's this force that's kind of always pulling us down- Yeah ... toward the ground, and you see people as they get older get, like, hunchbacked and- Absolutely ... protruding, you know, spine up on top- I know

[00:35:17] Luke Storey: and all of that stuff. So I feel like just giving your body weight the opportunity to kind of pull your skeleton apart- Yeah ... makes sense to me.

[00:35:24] Fayth Caruso: It makes sense, yeah. I'll have to send you a silk. Silks feel good, too. They really

[00:35:29] Luke Storey: do. And what, what are those... What are the silks called, though? Isn't there a name, like-

[00:35:32] Fayth Caruso: There's a lot of different brands out there.

[00:35:34] Fayth Caruso: Uh, the... Literally, I, it- Like Acro.

[00:35:36] Luke Storey: It was

[00:35:37] Fayth Caruso: AcroYoga or something? Yeah. There's AcroYoga. Was it? Okay. I mean, mine is literally, like, a, like, a some no-name silk that I just hung from the ceiling.

[00:35:44] Luke Storey: Got

[00:35:44] Fayth Caruso: it. And I just flip over on it. Um, and it feels great.

[00:35:48] Luke Storey: Those are cool because you get kind of... There's different stretches you can get out of it, too.

[00:35:52] Luke Storey: Yeah. Whereas if you just hang upside down, I mean, you're just kind of getting a uniform stretch. Yeah. There's not, uh... You can't, like, open your hips [00:36:00] or-

[00:36:00] Fayth Caruso: Yeah. Yeah, you can- ...

[00:36:00] Luke Storey: do different things like that.

[00:36:01] Fayth Caruso: Yeah, there's a lot you can do on them. But I love... I, I do. It feels good.

[00:36:05] Luke Storey: Uh, talk to me more about, uh, the m- lymphatic system in terms of detoxification.

[00:36:13] Fayth Caruso: Mm. So lymphatic system is hugely important in our body, and like I said, any movement throughout the day. If we sit sag- stagnant, you are not m- moving lymph through your body, period, end of story. We need to move. Um, and we need to move vertically if possible sometimes because that is the optimal way to move lymph through the body, and there's very few forms of vertical movement that we can do.

[00:36:36] Fayth Caruso: Um, it's related to our immune system, right? So when we move lymph through the body, it detoxifies because it moves waste out of the body. And when we move waste, then our immune system can function more efficiently and more, you know, healthy. And so it's that simple. We have to move, and if possible, vertical movement and long...

[00:36:56] Fayth Caruso: You know, little stretches. It can be two minutes. It can be two minutes 10 times a day, but [00:37:00] it will move lymph through the body, and that will help your immune system function better.

[00:37:04] Luke Storey: Awesome.

[00:37:05] Fayth Caruso: Yeah.

[00:37:05] Luke Storey: Uh, so I've spent the past, uh, couple years writing a book, which has just- Yeah ... been one of the, the, the most demanding and excruciating- Yes

[00:37:14] Luke Storey: things I've ever done. So of course it involves hours and hours and hours of sitting at a computer, right? Yeah. I mean, I guess one could do it freehand, but I wouldn't be able to read my own writing at this point.

[00:37:25] Fayth Caruso: Really.

[00:37:25] Luke Storey: Uh, but the rebounder, I honestly don't think it would've been possible without the rebounder.

[00:37:31] Luke Storey: Because I can just feel when I'm starting to get stagnant mentally- Yeah ... and physically, so my routine is, like, just grind super focused, 20, 30 minutes, sometimes maybe an hour. Yeah. And then I take a rebounder break, go hang upside down, jump in the ice bath, get back to writing.

[00:37:47] Fayth Caruso: Yeah.

[00:37:48] Luke Storey: I, like, there's no way I could have focused for the number of hours- Exactly

[00:37:52] Luke Storey: needed without doing that.

[00:37:54] Fayth Caruso: Yeah.

[00:37:55] Luke Storey: So talk to me about, um, I guess kind of a, I mean, if people [00:38:00] don't work from home like I do, it's obviously not gonna be practical. But for people- Sure ... that either work from home or don't work and are home a lot-

[00:38:07] Fayth Caruso: Yeah ...

[00:38:08] Luke Storey: like, what would be the benefit of just building into your daily schedule- Yeah

[00:38:14] Luke Storey: taking little bouncing breaks?

[00:38:16] Fayth Caruso: Bounce breaks. It's everything. I, I tell people first thing in the morning when you wake up, use the bathroom, hydrate, it's one of my favorite times to get on to start the day. You will literally feel clarity in your mind, in your body. You will feel focused. You will feel prepared to start the day.

[00:38:32] Fayth Caruso: Even two minutes makes a difference first thing. Um, if you can take the breaks, it will do the same. You will have your lymphatic system moving. Your focus will improve, and that's because you are challenging your balance, your proprioception, your coordination. So those are all cognitive functions that improve our focus.

[00:38:50] Fayth Caruso: Um, your posture will improve, which will help with your breath, with nutrient flow through the body, again, with lymph flow through the body. All, all important [00:39:00] things. And I think also your creativity will improve because you're doing something that's play-based, that's choicef- that, that's joyful, and it relaxes the nervous system.

[00:39:08] Fayth Caruso: When our nervous system is relaxed, we can connect with our intuition, our creativity. So little bounce breaks, I tell people start with two minutes, and you're gonna see, I'm gonna come back to it, and I... This is my biggest pet peeve. Always keep your rebounder somewhere out. Don't store it. Have it somewhere that it's, like, inviting you to just step up.

[00:39:30] Fayth Caruso: Don't scroll. When

[00:39:30] Luke Storey: I, when I was in heavy edits, I had it sitting right there in the living room- Yes ... 'cause it needed to be close to my office.

[00:39:36] Fayth Caruso: Yes. '

[00:39:36] Luke Storey: Cause literally g- every second counted or- Yeah ... so it seemed, right? So it's like I couldn't even- Yeah ... afford the extra 30 seconds to go to the backyard. Yeah.

[00:39:43] Luke Storey: You know, it was like, come out, bounce- Yeah ... for two minutes, just back to work.

[00:39:46] Fayth Caruso: That's it. It

[00:39:47] Luke Storey: was just, like, back and forth all day long.

[00:39:48] Fayth Caruso: Back and forth. That's it.

[00:39:50] Luke Storey: Another thing that I'd like to discuss with rebounding i- is to expand on kind of the nervous system and, uh, [00:40:00] cognition benefits. One of the other things that I invented Yeah

[00:40:04] Luke Storey: was I started doing jumping jacks on it. Yeah. Right? And then I don't know where I got the idea, but I would... How do I explain this? So, you know, you have left foot, left arm, right foot, right arm, right? And I would start to switch- Oh ... the, the direction, and at first it was really hard. Like, I couldn't- Yes ... I would say I wanna only switch my hands-

[00:40:26] Fayth Caruso: Yep

[00:40:26] Luke Storey: to the opposite side, and it was like trying to play drums. Yes. It was this, this ambidextrous challenge.

[00:40:32] Fayth Caruso: Yes.

[00:40:32] Luke Storey: And then, or do the feet or whatever. It's kind of hard to explain, but hopefully people get the idea, right? It's like you can alternate- Yep ... say, the, you know, which hand goes over the other or- Yes

[00:40:41] Luke Storey: you can keep your feet the same and then just change the hands and so on. Yeah. It's really hard at first, and I was like, oh, my God, this is impossible. It's so frustrating. I don't know. It probably took, like, two weeks, and now I can just do it-

[00:40:52] Fayth Caruso: Mm-hmm ...

[00:40:52] Luke Storey: on demand.

[00:40:53] Fayth Caruso: 100%.

[00:40:54] Luke Storey: Um, I feel like doing that, and I, again, I have no proof of this, but I feel like that really [00:41:00] improved my cognition.

[00:41:01] Fayth Caruso: 100%.

[00:41:02] Luke Storey: Like, what's, what's up with that?

[00:41:03] Fayth Caruso: Yeah. Like- 100%. So when we do cross-hemisphere, cross-hemisphere work, which is what you described, when we take s- something from one hemisphere of the brain and we go across it, right, that is strengthening our balance, our coordination, our cog- all the cognitive benefits.

[00:41:18] Fayth Caruso: And so if we rebound, the easiest way, and people start just with the feet. When you add the arms, that adds an extra layer of coordination challenge. When you add the head, that adds another extra layer. When you take away the vision, that adds another layer that's really hard. Oh, I haven't

[00:41:36] Luke Storey: thought of that.

[00:41:36] Luke Storey: Really.

[00:41:38] Fayth Caruso: Yeah.

[00:41:38] Luke Storey: That sounds dangerous. You really are. I better only do that when it's on the lawn .

[00:41:42] Fayth Caruso: Just, just a little, yeah, just a little vibration. Um, little vibration. Test it. So those are, those are the, the progressions, if you will, for coordination challenge, and when we do that, it actually will help our cognitive health, you know?

[00:41:55] Fayth Caruso: And so we have that in studies with, we've got people who work on the rebounder who have mul- multiple [00:42:00] sclerosis. We have a whole group of people, um, who have MS who have seen amazing changes in their freedom of movement. Um, we have people with Parkinson's, dementia. They will use support bars f- just for a little peace of mind, but doing, I call again, brain food, which is that coordination work, cross-hemisphere, cross-hemisphere work where we add the feet, then the arms, then the head.

[00:42:22] Fayth Caruso: That is gonna challenge the brain, and we need those challenges. And so... And they should get harder and then easier. It's funny. We've worked with, you know, high-end, I won't say their names, but very well-known athletes who are really famous and are, you know, they've won Olympic medals, okay? And I put them on the rebounder, and I'm like, "They're gonna be great."

[00:42:43] Fayth Caruso: I give them a coordination challenge, and they look like they're gonna lose it. And I'm going, "This is so surprising." But it's that part of the brain they haven't challenged in that way, and after maybe three sessions, they can do it.

[00:42:54] Luke Storey: What about, um, things like, um, ADD, ADHD-

[00:42:59] Fayth Caruso: Mm. [00:43:00]

[00:43:00] Luke Storey: People on the spectrum, things like that.

[00:43:02] Luke Storey: Yes. People that, you know, have kind of neurological- Neurodivergent ... other neurological issues. Is there any evidence to support that this would be beneficial? There

[00:43:09] Fayth Caruso: is. There is. Yeah, we work with... We have a few studies. We work with a, an very well-known institute in Colorado who specialize in sensory disorders or people who have neurodivergent needs.

[00:43:19] Fayth Caruso: And they find that the sensory input for the rebounder, which is gonna be from the bungees and the, the mat, and also working with that, uh, vibration, it will, it has helped with their, their sensory needs. It's partially the repetition. It calms the, the nerves, right? And also, um, the feedback that the Bellicon or the rebounder itself gives, um, will help with all those sensorial needs.

[00:43:43] Fayth Caruso: And we see amazing things from children who have special needs all the way to adults who need it. Yeah.

[00:43:50] Luke Storey: Uh, I've heard that there, that you can just still der- excuse me, stumbling over my words. You can still derive benefits on a rebounder, you [00:44:00] know, speaking to people that have less, um, you know, ability, elderly people- Yeah

[00:44:04] Luke Storey: um, kids with issues like we're describing, that there's still benefits by keeping your feet, uh, touching-

[00:44:11] Fayth Caruso: Yes ... the,

[00:44:12] Luke Storey: the mat. Which to me, like, I'm like, "That's not gonna do anything." I actually tried it, um, in preparation for this interview, I think, uh, yesterday or today, and I was like, "Oh- ... let me see what happens."

[00:44:22] Luke Storey: It's really frustrating to not jump. I don't know. I'm just so used to jumping on it. Right. And I'm like, "Can this really do anything?"

[00:44:28] Fayth Caruso: Yeah, it does. It's, we call it closed chain bouncing.

[00:44:31] Luke Storey: Okay.

[00:44:31] Fayth Caruso: So, yes, it does. It, you know, it, I think the full party is when you can do what you're doing, which is open chain, which is when the feet leave the mat.

[00:44:39] Fayth Caruso: That's the, that's the full house party. But if you're not able to do that because you've had a hip surgery or a knee surgery or your balance is gone for some, some neurological reason or you have a disability, um, you can do closed chain bouncing. So you've gotta get a, a bungee strength that's gonna be malleable enough that gives you that feedback to move closed chain, but it does [00:45:00] still challenge the lymphatic system, move lymph, help the nervous system, help with cellular function, all the things.

[00:45:07] Fayth Caruso: We also use it a lot for people who have pelvic floor needs.

[00:45:10] Luke Storey: Ah, yeah.

[00:45:11] Fayth Caruso: That's a big one.

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[00:46:55] Luke Storey: Tell me about this pelvic floor business being- Yes ... uh, I guess men have [00:47:00] one too?

[00:47:00] Fayth Caruso: Could, yeah. Yeah.

[00:47:01] Luke Storey: Like

[00:47:02] Fayth Caruso: You do.

[00:47:02] Luke Storey: Okay. You do. We have a pelvis, so there must be a floor- You do ... to it, but I, I think I hear this, um, in conversations around women that have had kids and things like that- Yeah ... where they start to lose strength in the pelvic floor, and it-

[00:47:15] Fayth Caruso: Yeah

[00:47:15] Luke Storey: obviously is gonna affect the organs around that- It does ... area and things like that. So gimme the whole pelvic floor breakdown. The

[00:47:21] Fayth Caruso: pelvic floor spiel.

[00:47:22] Luke Storey: Yeah. And, and also for men too. I, you know, if it matters- Yeah ... and-

[00:47:26] Fayth Caruso: It does ... why. Yeah, yeah. We both have pelvic floors. It is, the conversation is a, a lot around women.

[00:47:31] Fayth Caruso: I think that the industry, it, that's a big industry conversation, especially women who have kids and have leakage. But men also have pelvic floors, and I think where you see it in men is stress. So if you have a tense jaw or tension here, a lot of times that can be related to pelvic floor stress or tension.

[00:47:48] Fayth Caruso: It's connected, interconnected with the jaw. So I usually can see it in men if I see, like, you know, veins popping out or stress- Oh, interesting ... in the jaw and neck. Um, but yeah, so, you know, if you've had kids [00:48:00] or if you have some sort of, you know, incontinence issues, um, we start with what we call closed chain rebounding, and what we've found, and we've, we've worked with a lot of physical therapists and people who do pelvic floor training, is that because the feet stay in contact with the mat and because you're working on this malleable surface, it actually fires our involuntary muscles before our surface muscles.

[00:48:22] Fayth Caruso: Our suffer- our surface muscles have to fire to protect us on concrete. And so it, the involuntary muscles need that soft, malleable surface to turn on. So it turns them on, it reawakens them, and then with practice and with time, we see an improvement with pelvic floor health. The thing is, a lot of people picture themselves jumping high on their first bounce, and the reality is you've gotta come to closed chain work for a period of time after rebounding before you work up to that.

[00:48:46] Fayth Caruso: But it is absolutely possible to work up to it.

[00:48:48] Luke Storey: Could someone do, uh, what are they called? Kegel exercises while they're on it?

[00:48:53] Fayth Caruso: Ah, the Kegels. Ah, the Kegels. The Kegels. So Kegels, you know, th- it's kind of old-fashioned. You [00:49:00] could, but we now know with the pelvic floor it's not just about Kegels, it's like, it's the whole body.

[00:49:05] Fayth Caruso: So you have to move the spine, you have to connect with your breath, you have to... Your diet, what we're eating is affecting our gut, which is affecting our pelvic floor, the way we hydrate. Kegels are, they're a little old-fashioned, but you definitely can think, like the imagery of Kegels, you know, drawing a zipper up to lift when you bounce, breathing.

[00:49:26] Luke Storey: Ex- ex- for those that don't know what Kegel exercises are, and I'm not even sure that I totally do, so I think it's like when you, say if you're trying to stop your pee midstream- Yeah ... like you kind of- Yeah ... would clench, right?

[00:49:39] Fayth Caruso: Correct. Yeah. Or there's- Oh, there's so many wild images. I could write a whole book.

[00:49:43] Fayth Caruso: But yeah, stopping pee midstream.

[00:49:44] Luke Storey: So t- t- tell me, like, what, what that exercise looks like and why someone would even want to do that.

[00:49:51] Fayth Caruso: Yeah, so if you can imagine, you know, you have like a pair of jeans that you just pulled out of the dryer and they're like, they shrunk a little from being in the dryer, and you have to kind of to [00:50:00] pull the zipper up, that essentially is a little Kegel or stopping pee.

[00:50:03] Fayth Caruso: When you do that, when you rebound, it fires the pelvic floor muscle, and it will help you with that feeling of incontinence, you know, when you rebound. So if you do that while you rebound, the pelvic floor will naturally strengthen. I also find that honestly, the rebounder itself, even not having to think about the Kegel, because it's strengthening the involuntary muscle, it naturally j- does it.

[00:50:23] Fayth Caruso: You don't have to think so much.

[00:50:25] Luke Storey: Right. It

[00:50:25] Fayth Caruso: turns it on.

[00:50:26] Luke Storey: So you could just be bouncing, having fun, living your best life- Yes ... and it's kind of doing it behind the scenes

[00:50:32] Fayth Caruso: without- It's doing it ...

[00:50:32] Luke Storey: without the exertion and-

[00:50:34] Fayth Caruso: Yes. You just have to do a little closed chain, you have to keep the posture, you've gotta breathe, and we gotta relax.

[00:50:40] Fayth Caruso: That's the thing I see if, if I, if I, if somebody is saying, "I have to run to the bathroom," I usually look at their jaw and their shoulders, and if it's up here, it's that, that's my cue that they're tightening the pelvic floor.

[00:50:51] Luke Storey: Oh, interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Uh, what about, um, what about music?

[00:50:59] Fayth Caruso: It's [00:51:00] a beautiful-

[00:51:00] Luke Storey: I'm guessing when you s- first got into it and you're doing these classes, there's probably like some- Oh, yeah

[00:51:05] Luke Storey: playlist- Mm-hmm ... that was, um, supportive of bouncing around and having fun. Yes. I never do it to music 'cause mine's always outside.

[00:51:11] Fayth Caruso: Yeah, me too. Me too. I don't... At my home, I'm outside, I don't have music on. But it is a beautiful inspiration. Um, if you are trying to do it for a certain length of time, like say you're, say you are one of those people, which I'm not, who's like, "I need 30 minutes of cardio a day."

[00:51:27] Fayth Caruso: I never track anything. But if you are-

[00:51:29] Luke Storey: People do that?

[00:51:30] Fayth Caruso: Yeah. Yeah. Not me. Not...

[00:51:33] Luke Storey: Yes. It sounds excruciating. Sounds

[00:51:34] Fayth Caruso: horrible.

[00:51:35] Luke Storey: 30 minutes, way too long. But- Like I said, I'm on my Carol bike five minutes, 10 minutes. I'm like- I'm the same ... "That's good for the week," you know?

[00:51:42] Fayth Caruso: I'm the same. I'm the same. But if you were one of those people, you could put a playlist on and that will motivate you.

[00:51:48] Fayth Caruso: Um, the beat, like if you are wanting to move faster, you can have a song with a certain beat and that will help you keep a heart rate at a certain tempo, kind of like putting a treadmill on a setting or a bike on a setting. Uh, you [00:52:00] know, if you really n- you know, want that extra layer of relaxing the nervous system, you know, put something on.

[00:52:05] Fayth Caruso: We d- we've worked with sound healing baths where people are doing a sound bath- Oh, cool ... and grounding. It's really fun.

[00:52:10] Luke Storey: That's dope. Just

[00:52:10] Fayth Caruso: that extra

[00:52:11] Luke Storey: layer. That sounds like my speed. Yeah. Nice, soft, gentle. Gentle. Slow tempos.

[00:52:16] Fayth Caruso: Ah, it feels good.

[00:52:16] Luke Storey: I've found as I've... I don't know what the BPM, the beats per minute is, but- Yeah

[00:52:21] Luke Storey: as I'm an older guy now- It's like people ask me, "What kind of music do you like?" I go, "Whatever's like under a certain BPM." Under a certain...

[00:52:29] Fayth Caruso: Lowers my heart rate.

[00:52:30] Luke Storey: Yeah, it's like if the beat's too fast, it's- Me too. It irritates the shit out of me. Me

[00:52:35] Fayth Caruso: too.

[00:52:35] Luke Storey: Me too. So I find myself just like, it's gotta be mid-tempo, whatever it is.

[00:52:39] Luke Storey: We'll start from there.

[00:52:40] Fayth Caruso: I'm so with you.

[00:52:41] Luke Storey: But even some of my f- you know, like one- Yeah ... of my favorite albums is, uh, the Stones' Exile on Main Street. Oh,

[00:52:46] Fayth Caruso: yeah.

[00:52:47] Luke Storey: And I always have this fantasy like, oh, I'm gonna get a, a turntable- I know. Same ... and like a really good, you know, like a tube amp and speakers- Yeah

[00:52:53] Luke Storey: and really get into vinyl. And I'm like- ... I don't think I could do it 'cause I have to skip the fast songs, [00:53:00] you know? Songs that like used to get me so pumped, I'm just like, "Ah, it's grating," you know?

[00:53:04] Fayth Caruso: Oh, I gotta send you... So I have that setup in my house, of vinyl-

[00:53:08] Luke Storey: Yeah ...

[00:53:08] Fayth Caruso: and rebounding.

[00:53:09] Luke Storey: Oh,

[00:53:09] Fayth Caruso: cool. That's probably the only way I put music on is I have the vinyl there.

[00:53:12] Luke Storey: I just feel like I would need to skip so many songs, you know?

[00:53:14] Fayth Caruso: I'll get you hooked up with the right albums. But yeah. No, so s- I mean, some people love it. It motivates them to get their heart rate up and sweat. Like, if you've got that personality where you're like, "I've gotta go in," um, so you can go there.

[00:53:25] Fayth Caruso: And if the music motivates you, it can be m- really fun. You know, add that fun layer. If you're like us, you know, I'm gonna go like Simon & Garfunkel.

[00:53:34] Luke Storey: Yeah. Totally. Totally.

[00:53:35] Fayth Caruso: Bridge Over Troubled Water.

[00:53:37] Luke Storey: I mean, I'm like, I'm, half the time, I can't even have lyrics, you know? Yeah. I'm just like listening to mantras and just sitars and sounds.

[00:53:44] Luke Storey: Yes. You know? It's, it's more like an ambient- Yes ... sort of sound. Yeah, sound

[00:53:48] Fayth Caruso: bathing. Yeah, yeah. I love the sound bathing.

[00:53:50] Luke Storey: Yeah, totally.

[00:53:50] Fayth Caruso: Live, a little live percussion.

[00:53:52] Luke Storey: Every once in a while, I'll be like, want to relive my youth, and I'll get in the car and like put on Metallica or something, and it's like, oh, this is awesome.

[00:53:59] Luke Storey: And then- [00:54:00] Yeah. ... like one song in, I'm like, "Ah, that's, I'm done." We're

[00:54:03] Fayth Caruso: done.

[00:54:04] Luke Storey: It was fun for a minute, but I don't know.

[00:54:06] Fayth Caruso: We'll make our own club where it's just sound bathing and rebounding.

[00:54:10] Luke Storey: Totally. Totally. There's, there's a lot of those popping up here in Austin. Yeah. Uh, kind of like alcohol-free- Yes ... you know, sound baths, and there's- That's my jam

[00:54:18] Luke Storey: you know, like salt rooms and-

[00:54:20] Fayth Caruso: That's my jam. Yeah. That's our next business. We've got the T-shirt.

[00:54:23] Luke Storey: Yeah. It's like- ... mixing like a wellness spa with- Yeah ... a social-

[00:54:27] Fayth Caruso: Yeah ...

[00:54:28] Luke Storey: a gathering spot. It's, it's a cool idea. It's a cool idea. I just, you know, I, I hardly- It's so normal ... ever go downtown, so I'm, I'm not really experiencing them, but I'm excited for those that are doing it.

[00:54:37] Luke Storey: Me too. Uh, okay, so you talked about how you were doing, you know, the old school, um, spring rebounders in a class, and then this German guy walks in and is like- Yeah. ... "Oh, you can do it with bungees?" Like- Yeah ... let's talk about the Bellicon rebounder specifically, because that's the only one I've ever had. And- Yeah

[00:54:57] Luke Storey: I can't imagine doing it with one of [00:55:00] the spring ones. I've jumped on 'em a couple times at gyms, but it's like-

[00:55:03] Fayth Caruso: Yeah ...

[00:55:03] Luke Storey: the noise is really irritating, but also it's like- How do I explain it? The buoyancy is different Yes ... like they're too stiff. Yes. It doesn't feel, I don't know, it's not relaxing. Mm-hmm. It feels a bit more stressful.

[00:55:17] Luke Storey: Yeah. Whereas with the Bellicon, I guess you can get different bungees that have different, uh, the level of elasticity, right? Yes. But it's like, it's totally silent, but it's also very gentle. It's n- Yes ... it's like, I don't know, it's more fun. You sink into it deeper- Yeah ... I guess you could say.

[00:55:33] Fayth Caruso: Yeah.

[00:55:33] Luke Storey: So give me the lowdown on like what makes it different.

[00:55:37] Fayth Caruso: Yeah. Yeah. I, I started on the springs. I went through many, uh, brands of rebounders on my journey, um, myself, and yeah, the, so the Bellicon is where I ended up eventually. Um, but i- there's different bungee strengths, right? So our bodies are all different, and we can't all expect to have the same support, and we have different s- you know, histories, and needs, and injuries, [00:56:00] and all of that, so-

[00:56:01] Luke Storey: And weights

[00:56:01] Fayth Caruso: and weights, absolutely. And so we have, yeah, essentially different, different requests and customizations. So you can customize your bungee strength for your body's weight, um, your body's needs. Do you want that fast-paced, you know, cardio club workout, or do you want that gentle lymphatic nervous system workout?

[00:56:20] Fayth Caruso: Do you have a history of osteoporosis or arthritis, or is there something that you need that require a different strength of bungee? So customization of the bungees and then- I think what you describe, which is just something that you can only feel if you step on, which is that freedom and that joy. It's not jarring.

[00:56:38] Fayth Caruso: Um, and, and you can lose yourself. It's that childlike freedom that we have with movement. And so I think it's, it's like until you step on and feel it, you don't know what it's like.

[00:56:49] Luke Storey: Is it, uh, does it work like this where if you get tighter bungees it's more of a workout?

[00:56:56] Fayth Caruso: So depends on w-

[00:56:57] Luke Storey: I feel like mine is, the ones, the last one [00:57:00] I ordered I- there was like a little-

[00:57:01] Fayth Caruso: Yeah

[00:57:01] Luke Storey: you know, customization thing and-

[00:57:03] Fayth Caruso: Yes ...

[00:57:03] Luke Storey: I put in whatever my goals and needs and weight was. Yeah. I feel like mine is pretty loose.

[00:57:08] Fayth Caruso: Yours is, yeah, you have a, you have a, a really gentle, buoyant bungee. Yeah, so the, the firmer ones, um, it depends on what you think of, like, what your needs are for working out.

[00:57:20] Fayth Caruso: You know? Like, if your needs are to move lymph, relax the nervous system, work on coordination and all of those things, the more gentle bungee is gonna do those, those things. If your need is, like, agility, explosive movement, you're a basketball player, you just wanna do high intensity interval training and circuits and cardio, you're gonna be able to move faster on the firmer bungee.

[00:57:43] Luke Storey: Ah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense.

[00:57:45] Fayth Caruso: So that's essentially... You know- Got it ... 'cause moving fast on the ju- on the more gentle bungees is gonna be like, you know, running on the beach versus-

[00:57:51] Luke Storey: Yeah ... concrete. Yeah.

[00:57:52] Fayth Caruso: It's gonna be harder. It's possible.

[00:57:54] Luke Storey: Yeah. But it's

[00:57:54] Fayth Caruso: hard.

[00:57:55] Luke Storey: Well, if I ever wanna get my heart rate up, I'll, I'll get on there and, um, kind of try [00:58:00] to jog- Yeah

[00:58:00] Luke Storey: I guess you could say. Yeah. Or it's like in pu- It's two

[00:58:02] Fayth Caruso: seconds. You're, your heart rate's

[00:58:03] Luke Storey: like. You're smoked, yeah. And I think, "Wow, maybe this would be less that way if I had the more firm- Yeah, yeah ... bungees." 'Cause right, there's just, it's sinking less- Exactly ... so it's gonna be less work.

[00:58:13] Fayth Caruso: But that's good challenge that you have for yourself.

[00:58:16] Luke Storey: You don't have- Yeah, and I like it. Yeah. I'm very happy with the one I have. Yeah. But sometimes I'm like, "Oh, maybe I need two Bellicons - Yeah ... to like have a really

[00:58:24] Fayth Caruso: stiff one." Have a fast

[00:58:24] Luke Storey: one. I'm guilty of that. 'Cause d- th- you brought up something that, that makes a lot of sense. When, if you have the tighter bungees, I mean, you could be, you know, doing flips and shit if it was tight.

[00:58:32] Luke Storey: Not that I could, but- Yeah ... one could. Yeah. I'm thinking of a basketball player, right? Yes. They could be... Yeah ... there's a lot, you get a lot more air time.

[00:58:39] Fayth Caruso: Exactly.

[00:58:40] Luke Storey: Right? Yeah,

[00:58:40] Fayth Caruso: yeah.

[00:58:40] Luke Storey: Uh, 'cause you're kind of, you know, it's, it's more springy so it kind of-

[00:58:43] Fayth Caruso: Yeah, you can move to faster beats per minute on the music.

[00:58:46] Fayth Caruso: Right. So when you've got that stronger- That's, that's- ... we can go to the

[00:58:48] Luke Storey: club ... why I don't like it.

[00:58:48] Fayth Caruso: Right, that's why you don't like it.

[00:58:51] Luke Storey: Not sound bathing.

[00:58:52] Fayth Caruso: No, but it's

[00:58:52] Luke Storey: funny. Um, what about the, uh, are there any other customization things that I missed? I know there's different colors [00:59:00] and things like that, but- Yeah

[00:59:01] Luke Storey: is, is the bungee, the elasticity of the bungees really the main, um, kind of thing that one could customize?

[00:59:09] Fayth Caruso: The bungees are big, and you know, they, we can hold up to 440 pounds, which is, which is really great. Um- The legs you can go folding if you wanna store it, but as you know, I'm not a big fan of storing it.

[00:59:20] Luke Storey: Yeah.

[00:59:20] Fayth Caruso: I like to keep it out. Um, you can have changes in the mat and, and you know, the comfort around the mat. Um, I love, for those who need it, bars, you know, a support bar if you've got neurological or balance issues, you've got that for added support. I'm a snob with, um, the stainless steel premium frame because it's anti-scratch, antimicrobial, and it's really pretty.

[00:59:45] Luke Storey: Oh.

[00:59:45] Fayth Caruso: Um, I have that one in my house just 'cause it looks kinda like a design piece. Um, but I like to do the bungee colors. I'll kind of make it look like it's organic beige, you know, part of the decor so that it doesn't feel fitness-y, but it feels more like a [01:00:00] design piece.

[01:00:00] Luke Storey: Got it. Do the mats come in different colors?

[01:00:03] Luke Storey: Or are they always black?

[01:00:04] Fayth Caruso: Black.

[01:00:04] Luke Storey: Okay.

[01:00:05] Fayth Caruso: Yeah, they're all black.

[01:00:06] Luke Storey: Yeah, I feel like they last a long time. Yeah. 'Cause even not really being that responsible with mine, weather-wise ... leaving it out in the rain or sun or whatever, I feel like I've only had to repl- I think I replaced the whole deal, like the mat and the bungees, I think only once.

[01:00:23] Luke Storey: Like- Wow ... eventually my bungees started breaking.

[01:00:26] Fayth Caruso: That's amazing.

[01:00:27] Luke Storey: Yeah, but it took a long time.

[01:00:28] Fayth Caruso: You're not supposed to leave it outside.

[01:00:29] Luke Storey: I know. I- ... I'm a really-

[01:00:31] Fayth Caruso: But that's amazing that it lasted that

[01:00:33] Luke Storey: long being outside I'm a, I'm a bad owner, yeah. But at one point I was like, "Oh, man, I gotta go and..." But that's when I s- that, I think that's when I learned the customization.

[01:00:40] Luke Storey: Yeah, then you can- I was like, "Oh, man, do I want, like, you know, which bungees do I want? What color?" And-

[01:00:44] Fayth Caruso: I've even people go rainbow. You know, people go beige. People, I mean, I've seen some pretty fantastic designs. You can go wild with it, change it seasonally if you dare. Yeah.

[01:00:55] Luke Storey: If you wanted to get super hardcore, could- [01:01:00] Right.

[01:01:00] Luke Storey: You know, I don't know, this, there might be a liability issue with this. But could one wear like a weighted vest or like ankle weights or play with little-

[01:01:09] Fayth Caruso: Mm ...

[01:01:09] Luke Storey: dumbbells or... I- I've gotten on there and like done some like shoulder presses with- Yes ... the kettlebell. Yeah. And it's, it's really, really hard. Yeah.

[01:01:17] Luke Storey: I'm not jumping around, but just- Yeah ... the fact that you're, y- you're not stable- Yeah ... feels like, "Oh, this is probably better for me than just standing on the grass," or whatever.

[01:01:25] Fayth Caruso: Yeah, yeah. You can definitely add... Like, anything that you do on the ground, you can do while you're on the rebounder. You don't necessarily wanna bounce with a ton of weight.

[01:01:35] Luke Storey: Okay.

[01:01:36] Fayth Caruso: Because when you're bouncing, you're bouncing against more gravitational force, so the weight becomes heavier. So I usually say like if you're gonna bounce and have weights, which is great, especially the round weights, 'cause it strengthens our grip, um, to go like maybe two pounds max. But you can do static work, like your kettlebells, while standing on it, and that's gonna challenge your balance more.

[01:01:55] Luke Storey: Yeah. And that's- That's what I found. It's really hard. It's hard. Which is why I've not done it too many times.

[01:01:59] Fayth Caruso: Yeah, it's [01:02:00] hard.

[01:02:00] Luke Storey: I'm just- But good. You know, I'm always trying to invent new routines, you know? It's great. And that one, I was like, "I feel like this is a good one," because it is really hard. It's really good.

[01:02:07] Luke Storey: I mean, the kettlebell, even if you're on solid ground, depending on what you're doing with it- Yeah ... it does really challenge your- Yeah ... your balance. You're core. And you have to, you gotta really, you know, be in your body and- 100% ... be

[01:02:18] Fayth Caruso: present to it. Yeah, you can take it on there. Now, the weighted vests, um, so I, like I have like my own personal opinion on the weighted vest.

[01:02:24] Fayth Caruso: I've never seen the weighted vest in rebounding. I've seen like shadow boxing, um, weights. Um, I'm not a huge weighted vest fan.

[01:02:32] Luke Storey: I mean, I don't have one.

[01:02:33] Fayth Caruso: I'm not a big fan.

[01:02:34] Luke Storey: Sometimes I see- I feel like it's like not good for your back. I just- I see people kind of doing power walking with them around the neighborhood sometimes.

[01:02:41] Luke Storey: That's the thing. And I'm like, "I don't know. That feels like a lot of stress on your back."

[01:02:45] Fayth Caruso: That's the thing. And a lot of times if you don't have optimal posture, you're literally, you're, you're training your body to have weight in poor posture, which is not good for your spine or your internal, your breath, you know?

[01:02:57] Fayth Caruso: I mean, I would just be like, "Go lift a sack of sand [01:03:00] or soil" and

[01:03:01] Luke Storey: walk. Right. Right. Totally.

[01:03:03] Fayth Caruso: Carry two buckets of water up and down

[01:03:05] Luke Storey: the street. You come over here and, uh, haul sod.

[01:03:07] Fayth Caruso: Yes.

[01:03:08] Luke Storey: We... Like, like again, you know, amateur like, um, gardener here, but, um- We're gonna remodel the... I call it remodel. I don't, maybe that's not the right word.

[01:03:19] Luke Storey: We're gonna do the landscaping- Yeah ... in the backyard eventually when I can afford it. So our backyard was, like, just rocky and pokey and ugly. It just drives me nuts. Like, Texas is not... It's very deserty- Yeah ... and it's just, I don't know. I'm trying to turn our yard into a jungle- ... while we live in a desert, so it's challenging.

[01:03:36] Luke Storey: But anyway, we're gonna put in a proper lawn and have professionals do it, but I got impatient and I was like, "I just want grass now, even if it's temporary." So I ordered a pallet of sod, and I was like, "How hard can it be, dude?"

[01:03:50] Fayth Caruso: So hard.

[01:03:50] Luke Storey: You know, like, how heavy one pallet of, like- Four ... wet sod is? And then we didn't have enough, so I ended up ordering two more.

[01:03:58] Luke Storey: I mean, it was [01:04:00] back-breaking work. I mean, I en- you know, I enjoyed it and had fun with it. Yeah. But I was like, "I don't need a weighted vest. If you just wanna, like- No ... get some exercise, start doing your own landscaping design and installation."

[01:04:10] Fayth Caruso: 100%. Carry your groceries. And that's no hate. If you love weighted vests, I'm like...

[01:04:14] Fayth Caruso: If you love something, I'm, like, all for it, but yeah, so just carrying my child is like... I'm like, "Okay, I'm just gonna carry you," and that's my workout. I mean, it's crazy.

[01:04:22] Luke Storey: How many kids do you have?

[01:04:23] Fayth Caruso: Three.

[01:04:24] Luke Storey: Oh, you do?

[01:04:25] Fayth Caruso: I do.

[01:04:25] Luke Storey: Wow. Yeah. Kids are super heavy.

[01:04:28] Fayth Caruso: They're heavy, and they move. They're... And they, they, they just, they give their body weight to you.

[01:04:33] Luke Storey: My little brother has two kids- ... and, like, when his first one was born, you know, I'm, like, excited uncle, and I'm like, "Oh- Yeah ... I'll carry him around for a little while." I'm like, "Okay, I'm good." Exhausting. I'm like, "You gotta be kidding me. This is a lot of work, man." I think about- Dead weight. Yeah. They're super heavy.

[01:04:49] Fayth Caruso: Yeah, they are. They are.

[01:04:51] Luke Storey: So I have a, I really have a lot more respect when I see people walking around with the little baby carriers- Yeah, yeah ... and stuff. I'm like, "Dude, you got a real weighted vest." Yeah,

[01:04:58] Fayth Caruso: exactly. Yeah. Like,

[01:04:59] Luke Storey: yeah. It's [01:05:00] hardcore.

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[01:06:40] Luke Storey: Tell me about the, the German fella you met. Like, what's the story behind... I feel like all the cool technology in the world is either German or Russian. They just have a way of figuring things out.

[01:06:51] Fayth Caruso: They do.

[01:06:52] Luke Storey: I've been driving a German car for, I don't know, 20 years or something- I know ... 'cause I just haven't found one that I like better than that.

[01:06:58] Fayth Caruso: So true.

[01:06:58] Luke Storey: What, what... Was this [01:07:00] guy the inventor of this type of rebounder, or what?

[01:07:03] Fayth Caruso: Yeah. So, so the story of the rebounder is, yeah, it was German, the, the first, you know, use of the bungees essentially. And the, uh, Bellikon is a city actually, uh, in Switzerland. Oh, okay. I'm not sure if it's a city. Maybe a village.

[01:07:17] Fayth Caruso: Oh, okay. Don't quote me on the word city. But, um, which is, which is really, uh, you know, why the B is a lowercase B because it's not to be confused with the actual town. Um, so it's, you know, Swiss design, German engineering coming together. Uh, it was, it was two companies back in the day merging. Um, and that's still, like, the spirit today, is that combination of engineering and design and constantly looking for more efficient ways to do things.

[01:07:43] Fayth Caruso: You know, thinking about longevity, so, like, longevity of the product, but also the body. So both of those, being able to have something that you got and you can use from childhood to past 100. Yeah.

[01:07:56] Luke Storey: I like that, past 100. Yeah. I hope to be rebounding when I'm 100.

[01:07:59] Fayth Caruso: You [01:08:00] will.

[01:08:00] Luke Storey: The only thing, you know, with the anti-aging movement that's funny to me is like, okay, you live till you're 120, but you're gonna look like you're 120.

[01:08:10] Luke Storey: How fun can that be? I gue- I guess it depends how attached you are. Uh, speaking of looks, um, so with the lymphatic system, and I, I don't have this as an issue personally, but- Yeah ... I, I understand there's a relationship between cellulite and the lymphatic system. Mm-hmm. And then there's this other thing I just heard about called lipedema or something.

[01:08:31] Fayth Caruso: Yes. Yeah, lipedema. Lymphedema. That looks like cellulite-

[01:08:32] Luke Storey: Mm-hmm ... but it's a different thing. Yes. It has something to do with your lipids, the fat- Yes ... being- Yeah ... weird and creates this crepey kind of skin.

[01:08:40] Fayth Caruso: Yes.

[01:08:41] Luke Storey: Uh, tell me anything you know about that and- Yeah ... if, uh, rebounding would be helpful for something like that.

[01:08:48] Fayth Caruso: Yeah, hugely helpful, um, for all th- all that you mentioned. So cellulite, and then there's, yeah, lip- lipedema, which is the fat buildup, and also lymphedema, um, which is a condition where the lymphatic system is, [01:09:00] is essentially blocked and stagnant. Um, and we've got a lot of members of the lipedema and lymphedema community that rebound and have found great relief in...

[01:09:09] Fayth Caruso: from pain and inflammation and movement, uh, y- lymph moving through the body. Um, essentially, the community needs that vertical movement and that vibration to move lymph, and this is something that they can do for longer periods of time, even more so than the vibration plate, without the impact. And on top of it, the Rebounder s- supports larger bodies if there's a need for that, um, which sometimes there is in the lymphedema community.

[01:09:34] Fayth Caruso: So we have a great deal of those community members who rebound and really have found a good relief, and it's just because of that vibration and that vertical movement, it gets the lymph fluids moving.

[01:09:43] Luke Storey: So this issue is prevalent enough where there's actual communities?

[01:09:47] Fayth Caruso: Yeah. '

[01:09:47] Luke Storey: Cause I, I think I just heard about it- Yes

[01:09:48] Luke Storey: like, a week ago.

[01:09:49] Fayth Caruso: Yes. Yeah, there's... It's, which is beautiful 'cause I think it wasn't something that was talked about many years ago. A lot of people were just told they have weight issues, and that was it. The doctors kind of dismissed their case essentially. And now [01:10:00] we know, no, this is a specific, these are specific conditions that are diagnosable, that when treated, you can, you can find relief and you can find support.

[01:10:08] Fayth Caruso: And so a lot of communities have formed, um, lymphedema societies and, you know, this and that, and, uh, and they've, they've really found great relief from rebounding.

[01:10:16] Luke Storey: And so are there other symptoms to that that are not related to aesthetics? I mean, everyone wants, like- smooth skin, right? I, as we get older- Yeah

[01:10:27] Luke Storey: we know our skin starts to look older.

[01:10:29] Fayth Caruso: Yeah.

[01:10:30] Luke Storey: Um, are there other issues with that, that-

[01:10:32] Fayth Caruso: Yeah ...

[01:10:33] Luke Storey: go beyond just, you know, wanting to look great?

[01:10:35] Fayth Caruso: Well, there, there's pain issues for sure.

[01:10:38] Luke Storey: Oh.

[01:10:38] Fayth Caruso: Um, inflammation. Uh, it can lead to other vi- diseases, you know, cancer and other things, especially l- with lymphedema. Um, so you can have, yeah, secondary health issues because of it, because it's essentially waste, you know, especially for lymphedema, uh, in the body.

[01:10:54] Fayth Caruso: So it's not just aesthetic. There's also, for lipedema, the pain f- pain factor. They can get, uh, [01:11:00] kind of hardness underneath the skin, and so having that option is really beautiful. Typically, they pair it with a massage or also sometimes garments to help to support.

[01:11:10] Luke Storey: Cool.

[01:11:11] Fayth Caruso: Yeah.

[01:11:11] Luke Storey: Good to know.

[01:11:12] Fayth Caruso: Yeah.

[01:11:13] Luke Storey: Uh, so when we're done recording, w- would you mind giving me, like, a quick lesson on how to actually- Thought

[01:11:19] Fayth Caruso: you'd never ask

[01:11:20] Luke Storey: how to actually use the rebounder, right? I know Bellicon's site has, like, tons of kind of, uh- Yeah ... instructional videos and stuff- Yeah ... and I'm just, I'm not good at following instructions. I'm just one of those guys, like I'll get... I buy something and then I pull it out of the box. I'm like, "I'm not reading the in- Yeah, instructions.

[01:11:34] Luke Storey: I never read the instructions or any of that.

[01:11:37] Fayth Caruso: I mean, we'll do a lesson. I mean, I thought you'd never ask. Of course, I'd love to. The, the videos are amazing. The lessons are great, especially if you're somebody who needs something specific, like you've got, you're a runner and you have tight hips, or you have pelvic floor issues.

[01:11:49] Fayth Caruso: Um, so they're, they're awesome.

[01:11:51] Luke Storey: I have tight hips.

[01:11:52] Fayth Caruso: So, yeah.

[01:11:52] Luke Storey: Let's work on that.

[01:11:53] Fayth Caruso: We'll work on that. But also following... There's something you-

[01:11:55] Luke Storey: And this is, like, as lotus as I can sit- You're not

[01:11:58] Fayth Caruso: bad ... without

[01:11:58] Luke Storey: being in a lot of pain.

[01:11:59] Fayth Caruso: Your [01:12:00] spine is upright, so that counts for something.

[01:12:01] Luke Storey: Okay.

[01:12:02] Fayth Caruso: That's good. Okay. But yeah, I mean, but also, like, just the fact that you can just get on it and just bounce- Follow that intuition too.

[01:12:10] Fayth Caruso: I mean, the videos are amazing. So many options and give you guidance and clarity, especially if y- if you have a condition. But just this idea of listening to your body and stepping on and coming back to that child-like sense of play and joy, and just being free with your movement, I would not dis- Listen to that.

[01:12:29] Fayth Caruso: Okay. That's something big.

[01:12:30] Luke Storey: W- uh, if somebody had a, you know, like a giant, uh, you know, recreational trampoline- Yeah ... in their yard, are, are they getting the same type of benefits? Or less so because-

[01:12:41] Fayth Caruso: Yeah ...

[01:12:42] Luke Storey: it's less tension?

[01:12:43] Fayth Caruso: It's a little different. So there is a, it's a difference with the bungee strength, um, for sure.

[01:12:48] Fayth Caruso: Um, you're gonna have more buoyancy, so they're gonna, you're gonna go really high in the air, so you can't do, like, cardio work. It- you can't do more of that vibrational feedback. Right,

[01:12:57] Luke Storey: right.

[01:12:58] Fayth Caruso: Um, still fun, though. I always, [01:13:00] I would still encourage you to go on a backyard trampoline. But yeah, slightly different feedback.

[01:13:04] Fayth Caruso: It's also gonna be a li- a really big challenge on balance and proprioception, for sure, especially for, like, an aging body. Um, so definitely do it, but I think it's, for adults, you know, probably not- Mm-hmm ... as practical.

[01:13:17] Luke Storey: I've always wanted to get a trampoline. Uh, I don't know if you've seen this, but, you know, some people dig a hole-

[01:13:22] Fayth Caruso: Oh, the underground ones.

[01:13:23] Fayth Caruso: Yeah ...

[01:13:24] Luke Storey: that's super dope.

[01:13:25] Fayth Caruso: I-

[01:13:25] Luke Storey: So you don't climb up onto it. You just, like, walk on top of it. I don't know how you work the drainage. I'm assuming they, they figure out some drainage underneath it- They do ... so it doesn't turn into a cesspool.

[01:13:33] Fayth Caruso: Yeah.

[01:13:34] Luke Storey: But I think that's dope.

[01:13:35] Fayth Caruso: I'm- You just,

[01:13:35] Luke Storey: like, walk across the lawn and bounce

[01:13:37] Fayth Caruso: huge fan. They had that at my kids' playground- Oh, really? ... and I went on it, and it is cool. It's very bouncy. Like, you're gonna go, you're gonna go flying a bit. Yeah. So if you've got like any balance or pelvic floor issues, be ready. But I mean, I'm a big h- I'm a big fan, for sure.

[01:13:51] Luke Storey: Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's cool.

[01:13:52] Luke Storey: Yeah. I wanna ... It's like a- That

[01:13:53] Fayth Caruso: could be part of

[01:13:54] Luke Storey: your, like- I gotta put that on my vision board, you know? That's gonna be fun. Maybe one of these days it'll happen.

[01:13:57] Fayth Caruso: Yeah. I love that.

[01:13:58] Luke Storey: Uh, all right. For people that [01:14:00] want to, uh, check out the Bella Con, we'll put everything we talked about in the show notes today, and the show notes will be lukestore.com/rebounding.

[01:14:08] Luke Storey: Uh, if you guys listening and watching wanna check out the Bella Con, you can go to lukestore.com/bellacon, and there's a code there, looks like, for 10% off now through October 31st, 2026.

[01:14:22] Luke Storey: Uh, is there anything we missed?

[01:14:25] Fayth Caruso: I don't think so. Should we bounce together?

[01:14:27] Luke Storey: Let's bounce, baby. I think that's what we need to do. Bounce with me. Bounce with me. Yeah, I feel like with, um, I'm so used to sometimes doing, like, two, three, even four-hour podcasts- Yeah ... 'cause we're, we're talking about something esoteric and infinite.

[01:14:39] Luke Storey: Yeah. You know? Sometimes, like, wait, it's an hour. Could we possibly be done? But I don't know, when we're kind of down to a niche topic- Yeah ... then I think, wow, I f- I guess we did it. We, we accomplished the goal. Well, thank you so much for, um, you know, making the time to come here. As I said, it's been a long time I've been wanting to talk about this particular thing- Yeah

[01:14:58] Luke Storey: 'cause it's been [01:15:00] something that I've been so obsessed with consistently for so long, and I'm just like, "Who's the person?" I'm always like, "Who's the OG in this space? I gotta talk- Yeah ... to someone that really knows their shit." So thank you for being that person, and thanks- Thank you ... for taking time to come hang out with me.

[01:15:14] Fayth Caruso: It's my pleasure. I can't wait to bounce with you. Should we bounce?

[01:15:17] Luke Storey: Let's do it.

[01:15:18] Fayth Caruso: All right.

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