[00:00:00] Luke: All right, here's what I want to start with. How would you define the scientific method?

[00:00:07] Peter: The scientific method is a process. It's a process by which a hypothesis is put forward, and that's considered an alternative hypothesis. And the state of affairs, as we see it today, that's considered the null hypothesis. And the method is the process by which we test and challenge the null hypothesis to see if there's enough evidence to accept the alternative hypothesis.

[00:00:40] Luke: Great definition. Over the past four years there are a lot of these slogans thrown around like trust the science, or the one that really irks me is the science is settled, which flies in the face of your, I think, very accurate definition.

[00:00:58] And just to give us some framework, many people already be aware of who you are, but you're a highly recognized, regarded physician, and you're not like some conspiracy theorist kook. I would consider you, maybe prior to all this happening, a pretty mainstream Western medicine guy who's accredited and recognized. When did you start to see the scientific method fall apart?

[00:01:26] Peter: It's so interesting. You really threw in a few terms that we ought to tackle.

[00:01:32] Luke: Okay, let's do it. Let's do it.

[00:01:33] Peter: Let's tackle them. There really is no such thing as a conspiracy theorist. The term really doesn't really have any cogent meaning. What we have is we have rational theories. All of us do. I have a rational theory about why this wonderful dog is right between us right now.

[00:01:55] And we all generate theories. We generate rational theories every day. The theories are discussable. Many of them can be testable, but the word conspiracy theorist is actually a term that comes out of government agency espionage, for crying out loud. It's not something, honestly, that I think should be in the contemporary vernacular at this point in time.

[00:02:24] You're right. I had very conventional training. I trained at the best universities. I became in my field, in internal medicine and cardiology, one of the most published people in my field and the world. I had studied very carefully over the course of decades the interface between heart and kidney disease.

[00:02:41] I led the world in publications, new discoveries on in vitro diagnostics, therapeutic strategies. I always used the principles of epidemiology and trained in epidemiology at the University of Michigan, which is the study of the distributions and determinants of disease.

[00:02:59] And epidemiology, held to the highest level, would be an intervention that is applying some type of therapy, or surgery, or strategy in a prospective randomized, double-blind trial, and then testing to see if we can again move from the alternative, move from the null hypothesis to the alternative hypothesis.

[00:03:22] So that is as orthodox as we can get in today's world. What we observed though through the pandemic, and it's not the first crisis the world has faced, but like so many other crises, the orthodoxy did not deliver the answers. And throughout human history, when there's been a worldwide crisis, the answers didn't come from government agencies. The answers didn't come from the church or whatever would be considered the orthodoxy at the time. The answers come from innovators.

[00:03:58] Luke: Absolutely. Yeah, I agree with you on the term conspiracy theorist too. It's a cheap way to slander and discredit someone who's thinking critically and asking questions, right?

[00:04:12] Peter: Right. I think we should talk about six terms that are, I think, meant to injure. They are pejorative, and they are clearly designed to establish a power dynamic of one person exerting power over another. And they were all extensively used during Nazi Germany. So anybody who wants to throw around these terms, they can take it right back to the third Reich.

[00:04:43] And they are misinformation, disinformation, malinformation, anti-science, anti-vaxxer, and conspiracy theorist. Those are all terms by which the person who uses them is aspiring to gain power and control over the other person. And they are attempting to push their point of view onto others. And by definition, that's propaganda.

[00:05:19] Luke: I love it. So true. So what was it like for you as you started to see holes in the way these institutions were approaching the issue? I guess going back to my earlier question, what were some of the first red flags for you that something is amiss? And was there a decision point at which you decided out of your own integrity to speak out and be willing to take the arrows? And what's it been like to take those arrows? It's a multifaceted question.

[00:05:54] Peter: I saw it early. Don't forget I was in the orthodoxy. In many ways, I still am. President of a major medical society, editor of two major journals. In 2019, I was the named endowed visiting lecturer at Harvard School of Medicine in two major departments, 2019. My Wikipedia page was scintillating with accolades.

[00:06:20] So I was fully within the orthodoxy. I'm approaching 700 citations in the National Library of Medicine. I've lectured at the New York Academy of Sciences, European Medicine Agencies. 2007, I was asked to present to the Congressional Oversight Panel on the FDA on a major product label expansion on a group of drugs.

[00:06:39] So people knew my name all over the world, but I can tell you, in early 2020, when the pandemic unfolded and we started to see people die all over the world, within a few weeks, I became very uncomfortable as I was messaging my colleagues about treating patients to help them avoid two bad outcomes, hospitalization and death.

[00:07:05] And I saw my colleagues retreat. They fell into silence. None of them volunteered to come forward and say, yes, let's innovate. Let's work to help people survive this illness. All of them, in a sense, just retracted. And I think the driver of that retraction initially was fear.

[00:07:27] Luke: Yeah, I think in the beginning of all of that, there was so much trauma-based mind control implemented by the media at large that I gave people a pass in the beginning, because everyone's just running around with their heads cut off. No one really knows what's true, what's not true.

[00:07:47] And so in the beginning, I thought, okay, well, people as part of the orthodox, you're going to be conservative and not fly off the handle. But then what became apparent to me, and I really want to get into the gene therapy, which I'll cover, but what struck me was the lack of emphasis on lifestyle choices.

[00:08:09] All of the official narrative was, we got a drug coming, don't worry, we're going to fix it all with this drug, the masks, the social distancing, the constant testing, all of this. And I'm thinking, where's the recommendation for getting proper exercise, for vitamin D, for sunlight, for cleaning the air in your home, for avoiding toxic foods and chemicals?

[00:08:30] There's none of that, which is a lot of what we talk about on the show. So, of course, I'm close to the flame on that type of recommendation. But I just thought, God, this is so weird. No one's encouraging anyone to lose some weight or get good sleep. It's just nothing at all.

[00:08:48] It's just like, we've got a drug coming. We're going to save everyone. Operation Warp Speed. Here it comes. And I'm just going, hmm. That was one of the first things to me that seemed quite suspect.

[00:08:58] Peter: Well, you're talking about the whole concept of susceptibility, right? We learned early on that SARS-CoV-2 infection, COVID-19 illness, was not an equal opportunity illness that it afflicted the elderly, the infirm, those with obesity, diabetes, other medical problems, and yet younger, fit people seem to sail right through the illness.

[00:09:27] So immediately, within a matter of weeks, the medical term came up, risk stratification, that we can actually stratify risk. We can understand where our vulnerabilities are. And because frailty was easily identified as a really critical risk factor, I saw some senior citizens who were very fit, good diets, great shape, they sailed through the illness easily.

[00:09:53] I said, oh boy, this is really going to be about fitness. And it reminded me of my former writing partner when I was in Southeast Michigan, Dr. Barry Franklin, who wrote papers on this. It's really about survival of the fittest. Life is about survival of the fittest. And Barry had published that if someone was fit and actually had a major heart attack, they're more likely to survive than if they're not fit.

[00:10:17] And the same concept applies to a fit person is more likely to survive a major auto accident or a major bacterial infection. It's our inherent fitness that carries us through times of personal health crisis. So you're right. Early on, the best thing we could have done is all gone out, started working on aerobic fitness.

[00:10:39] I was in Dallas at the time, and we had brilliant weather, and I was out running. I was seeing a lot of patients with COVID. I said, I better actually be on the top of my game. And then later on, we learned that good nutrition-- there was a paper out of Poland showing that improving the nutrition, that is having high quality sources of protein, fresh fruits and vegetables, and really eliminating the three S's, sugars, starches, and saturated fat, ooh, that was the way to really put the body on edge, ready to survive this illness.

[00:11:16] Cited in my book, Courage to Face COVID-19 by Dr. Ivette Lozano in Dallas, suggesting the converse, that, boy, people who ate sugars and starches through the illness, they are much more likely to have a worse outcome. Sugar tended to feed this viral infection, make things a lot worse, certainly make inflammation worse.

[00:11:32] There was a tremendous opportunity. The data have reigned in now, that vitamin D was enormously protective, enormously protective. There's been a meta analysis now showing that vitamin D intake was preventive for getting COVID.

[00:11:49] And even if one got COVID-19, higher vitamin D levels confirmed improved survival. We had a wonderful discovery that nasal and oral hygiene played a role, a big role. There were forms of nasal sprays and gargles that truly did reduce the viral burden, reduce the ability to transmit the virus to one another.

[00:12:12] It wasn't masking or hand sanitizer. This was an infection in the nose and mouth. If we wanted to reduce spread, it was actually nasal and oral hygiene. Things so simple as actually just saline. So people who live near the ocean, who tended to get salt water in the nose and mouth, they actually had a better outlook than people who are cooped up in high rise condominiums with no airflow.

[00:12:37] We learned that, in fact, fresh air made a difference. There were studies out of Singapore showing that it was almost nearly impossible to spread the virus outside. So as I was managing my patients, I'd tell the patients, listen, we've got to start the nasal sprays and washes, even if it's so simple as salt water or salt water with iodine, or colloidal silver, or xylitol, Scope, Listerine,

[00:12:59] Let's get outside, front porch or back porch. Let's get this fresh air, reduce the burden. Even when my dad in a rehab facility, a nursing home, got COVID, fortunately, I was able to have influence with the staff. I said, open the windows. Open the windows. It's a beautiful April spring in Dallas.

[00:13:21] They said, we never do that. I said, open the windows, get fresh air. And I don't want this viral re-inoculation. So when I published the first version of the McCullough Protocol to this day, the most widely cited and utilized approach to treat COVID-19, that was the first step, is get fresh air. That was contagion control.

[00:13:43] And yet we saw from the media, just the opposite. You probably remember that vignette where there was a man out in the West coast, and he's on a paddle board, way out from shore, and he's not wearing a mask. And then there's a coast guard or police boat that comes out to pursue him. Do you remember that?

[00:14:02] He's not anywhere close. And I do remember this. I was watching Sanjay Gupta on CNN castigating a man who was out on the Embarcadero just jogging. That he should have been inside.

[00:14:17] Luke: Insanity.

[00:14:18] Peter: It was insanity. People were pointing out they--

[00:14:20] Luke: I remember a video when they had the restrictions in place where you couldn't go to the beach, which as we're saying is probably the healthiest thing you could ever do, someone went out there and put a mannequin in a beach chair, way down the beach.

[00:14:36] And then you see the cops coming up ready to do business, and they walk up, and it's a mannequin with a hat and sunglasses. I was like, we need more of that. One thing that has been interesting to me is you have a school of thought from a demographic of people that thinks that there is no such thing as COVID-19.

[00:14:56] And that when you look at the cold and flu stats during that period, magically the cold and flu disappeared. And to me, I'm no scientist or physician by any means, but it seems to me when you look at those stats, that it's possible, if not likely, that for whatever reason, the cold and flu that everyone gets all the time, maybe sometimes worse than others, was essentially rebranded and just called this other thing. Do you think there's any validity to that?

[00:15:25] Peter: No, but I understand the confusion. I think people had a yearning to understand what in the world actually happened. So let's take 2017 in the United States. We had about 70,000 influenza deaths. There's a standard rate, 40, 50,000, 60, 70,000 is a particularly hard year. Now that's anybody dying testing with influenza.

[00:15:50] In any season, if we look at all the respiratory hospitalizations in the United States, roughly 15% test positive for influenza. And it doesn't mean influenza is the central driver. Someone could have gotten a fever, fallen down, had a hip fracture, and they're actually going to die of some complication of the hip fracture and not necessarily the influenza.

[00:16:11] But the principle is count all cases in. So now the COVID-19 pandemic occurs, and this novel virus, SARS-CoV-2, of which has been exhaustively investigated, hundreds of thousands of papers. It has its unique genetic code. It's a coronavirus. Its structure is fully understood. Its protein makeup is fully understood.

[00:16:38] It is isolated. It's been isolated in viral cultures, and it's transferred from one cell to another. The Chinese Sinopharm therapeutics isolates it and actually makes it as a vaccine, a killed virus vaccine. And it can physically be seen. You can see it on electron microscopy.

[00:17:03] So SARS-CoV-2, the virus, clearly exists. It would just be antithetical to reality to say it doesn't exist. Now, the absence of flu cases needs to be explained. And early on, the CDC's methodology to determine SARS-CoV-2 by PCR, polymerase chain reaction testing, it could not distinguish. Because PCR testing takes what's called primers, typically four very small segments of genetic code. It was not sufficiently accurate to discern between COVID and the flu.

[00:17:44] So here we go. A senior citizen comes in from the nursing home, we're in the heat of the pandemic. He's got a fever. Everyone's thinking COVID. Unless they had COVID and influenza testing, the hospitals, using the laboratory derived assays, of which most of the health systems here in Texas did, the one I was at did, using the CDC methods, they would determine, well, it's a case of COVID.

[00:18:08] And if they would have tested flu, they'd say, wait a minute, this COVID test positive is flu positive. Let's try to sort this out. So it was probably the abandoning of testing for flu, this thinking that everything coming in is COVID. And don't forget the hospitals were heavily incentivized to diagnose COVID, not necessarily influenza.

[00:18:28] So that probably weighed into it. Now people said, well, wait a minute, Dr. McCullough, both illnesses cause fever. They make people sick. They afflict the elderly. It was all just the flu. SARS-CoV-2 doesn't exist. Actually, we call them virus deniers. I said, listen, if you think this is the flu, I can tell you as a doctor, influenza does not cause blood clots like SARS-CoV-2 does, like we've never seen before.

[00:19:01] Influenza doesn't cause the spike protein to be found in blood clots like it's been found. Influenza doesn't cause the spike protein to cause all these manifestations that we see. In fact, influenza itself is not deadly. What makes influenza deadly is secondary staphylococcal infections, which we didn't see in COVID.

[00:19:23] So to summarize, SARS-CoV-2 infection and influenza are completely separate clinical entities. The two viruses have been sequenced, cloned, isolated, cultured, and made into separate vaccines. And then the third part of it, what confused people was, I think it initially flawed PCR test platform by the CDC. Later on, the testing platforms, clarified this, and we had a rebound in flu cases.

[00:19:51] Luke: Wow. Interesting. I think another thing that was strange to myself and many other people was in the counting of cases, wherein you mentioned how they would account for flu cases. Maybe somebody came in and had the flu and died of something else.

[00:20:10] They would say, well, that person maybe died with the flu. And in COVID, like the thing that was always hard for me to trust was the counting of the COVID deaths because there were so many people that seemed to have been counted dying with COVID versus as a result of COVID. Do you think some of the numbers were skewed because of that kind of blanket labeling?

[00:20:32] Peter: Well, what that comment's calling for is adjudication. Adjudication would be a clinical evaluation to say, really, what was going on in this case? And was the infection really a central driver in the hospitalization or the death? But by convention, in infectious disease, let's say for influenza, respiratory syncytial virus, and COVID, by convention, anybody test positive who dies is just conservatively considered a viral infection death, even if something else was going on.

[00:21:04] So we see the same type of background statistics with influenza and RSV. If we were to adjudicate them, we would get down to some smaller number. Let's just take SARS-CoV-2. We now know that someone who has the infection can intermittently test positive for a month or a year afterwards.

[00:21:25] So every test positive case can't really be a case of SARS-CoV-2. But by definition, if there's no other clinical features, obstetrics and gynecology departments, all through the pandemic, routinely tested all the women delivering babies. And the national rate always ranged between 5 and 15% all the time.

[00:21:45] The CDC has keeping wastewater data in the sewer water. And SARS-CoV-2 is positive in large fractions of all the wastewater flows in the United States for the last four years.

[00:21:59] Luke: Interesting.

[00:22:00] Peter: So there's a ubiquity of the virus, and what you're calling for is adjudication. And we really do need it. So in the United States, there's been some estimates, let's say of the deaths, about 1.2 million COVID deaths. People died testing positive with COVID. And the fair number from CDC and other analyses is roughly 10% truly had COVID pneumonia as a central driver. Others had major contributors. The Italians have analyzed this, and the number they have is about 3%.

[00:22:30] So it's always a smaller fraction. So as we sit here today, if I was to testify, I would say, yes, we lost 120,000 Americans truly to SARS-CoV-2 as the primary problem. And if we were to go back to that 2017 influenza number, it's probably the same thing. It was probably 10% of 70,000 influenza deaths.

[00:22:55] Luke: I wonder how that stacks up against veteran suicide, fentanyl overdoses, other causes of death that plague our society. I think that was another thing for me that there was so much panic and emphasis, which on the back end, as we know now, had a lot to do with erasing civil liberties. And then these real issues that are killing far more people verifiably are just ignored and barely addressed or acknowledged.

[00:23:23] Peter: Well, if we look at death in the United States and developed countries, before COVID, and still to this day, it roughly falls into three major categories of death. One is cardiovascular disease, heart attacks, heart failure, stroke. That's about 40% of all the deaths. Cancer, that's about another 40% of deaths.

[00:23:45] Heart disease and cancer are always battling for the number one or two spot. By the way, almost always known ahead of time. So I'd say 99% of the time it's known heart disease and a longstanding history of heart failure or known heart disease and dies with complications after bypass surgery or valve surgery.

[00:24:07] Cancer, almost always a long battle of cancer and going through chemotherapy, radiation, etc. And then the third category, 20% is other causes. And the other causes you've mentioned, readily identifiable motor vehicle accident, drug overdose, homicide, suicide.

[00:24:30] But the point is death is well understood in Western developed societies. It's not a mystery. And anytime we see a large number of sudden unexpected deaths in people without any antecedent disease, it's an immediate call for public health alarm.

[00:24:55] Luke: Well, that brings me into the topic that I really wanted to dive in here, and that is the gene therapy. I don't refer to it using the V word because, a, it'll get you censored half the time, maybe less so these days, but it's so controversial, and it's really, from my understanding, not what it is in the classical sense.

[00:25:15] I'm not someone who's ever been interested in taking a flu vaccine or any other kind of vaccines. I guess a certain demographic would label me an anti-vaxxer, although I'm just a pro natural health guy, I think would be one way to say it. I'm not really anti anything. Maybe just not for me. If you like it, enjoy.

[00:25:33] So I never had any confidence that the solution that was being prepared to roll out and then did roll out was, a, going to be safe and effective, and b, I suspected that it would be quite dangerous. And as we've seen now, and I'm only looking at subversive nude sources and alternative media, so my perspective is skewed, but as objective as I can be, I don't remember any time during my 53 years on the planet that you saw professional athletes dropping dead, newscasters dropping dead, kids with myocarditis.

[00:26:10] It's an absolute travesty and failure from my perspective at this point. So at any point, when the solution was brewing and this, oh, we're working on rushing this vaccine, and getting the emergency use authorization, and skipping the clinical trials and safety testing, at any point, did you feel like, yeah, maybe this will work? This might help. Or were you skeptical from the beginning of this idea?

[00:26:36] Peter: The context of this great controversy is what I term vaccine ideology. And the context had been developing over a couple 100 years. So you mentioned you took no vaccines in your life.

[00:26:50] Luke: I was born in 1970, so I'm sure I had whatever was standard. There might have been 10 or 12 of them at that time in Denver, Colorado, or something.

[00:26:57] Peter: Right. So I was born in 1962, and I had standard as well. I think my parents followed the rules, and we took them. But vaccine ideology says this, that the human body is inherently frail and vulnerable to infectious diseases. And through the brilliance of mankind and clinical progression of technology, we can make the human body stronger and better.

[00:27:31] And vaccine ideology is not restricted to humans, by the way. The same thing applies to animals. Vaccine idea goes back to around the days of Edward Jenner-- actually some nursemaid ahead of Edward Jenner who tried to vaccinate for smallpox using the cowpox virus, vaccinia virus. And then Louis Pasteur and rabies, and it keeps going and going.

[00:27:57] And so when the vaccines really came into common use, the smallpox vaccine was ones that-- this vaccine ideology grew so strong where there was an aspiration. Let's rid the world of a disease. Let's actually expunge and eradicate smallpox off the face of the earth. And then it keeps going and going and going. So with this hubris, and it is a hubris to think that the brilliance of mankind in a sense can improve upon God's creation.

[00:28:34] Luke: It's an arrogant God complex at its root. Yeah.

[00:28:37] Peter: It is. With this ideology brewing, what happened in the last several decades was amazing. What happened was, even schools said, these vaccines are so important. The kids can't go to school without taking these vaccines. You can't be in the military without vaccines. You can't be a doctor on medical staff or be a nurse. You're a public health hazard to somebody if you don't take a vaccine. And it kept growing and growing and growing.

[00:29:07] This was the lead up to this. So when SARS-CoV-2 outbreak occurred, I think within a few days of former President Trump announcing this national emergency, Moderna said, we have a vaccine. You do? That was fast. How did you do it? And then we started to realize and how things became unwound, and boy, look where we are now.

[00:29:42] But you're talking to right now, the only public figure with medical authority in the world who questioned in writing, in a widely read journal, the entire COVID-19 vaccine development program. You're looking at him. There wasn't a single chief of medicine or single chief of infectious disease, public health official, president, premier, or senator, or congressman who questioned the vaccines.

[00:30:15] No one questioned them. No one questioned them. In an opinion editorial that I wrote in the Hill, which is a widely read journal for the Senate, and the White House, the title of an August 2020 op ed was The Great Gamble of the COVID-19 Vaccine Development Program.

[00:30:32] What a gamble this was to take the genetic code for the lethal part of the virus, the Wuhan spike protein, this spike protein that we now know was the target of intentional bioengineering, to make the virus more lethal and more infectious.

[00:30:52] To take the genetic code for the worst part of the virus and then install that genetic code in human bodies, with having no idea how much of that lethal protein is going to be produced in each person, with having no idea where that genetic code goes in the body, how long does it last, and how does the body ever get rid of this spike protein?

[00:31:17] It was the worst idea ever. And yet people have come forward and said, well, they invented messenger RNA, in fact, Kariko and Weissman just received the Nobel Prize for modifying messenger RNA, pseudo uridinating it, essentially making it nearly indestructible for the human body. And so here we have Nobel laureates who received this award for their invention.

[00:31:49] And at the same time, there are candlelight vigils held all over Scandinavia protesting, saying this Nobel Prize is leading to human disaster. It's an astonishing historical revelation. Normally, we cheer a Nobel prize. It's some advancement, but this one people knew immediately was a Nobel prize that was leading to harm to the world, not benefiting the world.

[00:32:16] Luke: I think there's going to be a certain demographic of people that were coerced out of fear of losing their job. And if not, maybe the person listening, maybe somebody's parents or relatives that were a bit more trusting of the media narratives during this whole thing. But I have gotten multiple messages over the past couple of years, like, hey, my aunt took the shot, or I had to do it for my job, or I wanted to travel.

[00:32:41] And there's a lot of regret. There was hesitancy. Then there were people that complied, people that rejected it, like myself. You had people that went along with it. And now we're going, how do I get this out of my body? Because they're experiencing horrific side effects. And I never really have any solid answers other than-- like you've got the nattokinase and your Spike Support here from the Wellness Company.

[00:33:08] When I read this, I was like, yeah, that it's all the stuff I would take if I had that stuff floating around in my body. God, there's so many directions I could go with this. For people that are regretting that decision, which I think is probably most people, unless they're thoroughly brainwashed and are experiencing some level of Stockholm syndrome at this point, it's obvious the level of death that we're experiencing.

[00:33:34] Is there any way to get this stuff out of your body? What are some of the tools? I mentioned one. Is it possible to recover from a shot or a series of boosters, in your opinion?

[00:33:47] Peter: Well, there are many points to be made. The first one is, I hope everyone's learned, never take a drug or an injection or a vaccine for a non-medical reason. Never, never, never, never. People say, oh, I took it for my job. That's not a medical reason.

[00:34:08] Because that is a slippery slope. People can say, well, they forced me to take a pill so I could go to school. No, no, we don't force pills on people to go to school. The same thing. We never, ever can allow any pressure, coercion, or threat of reprisal for taking or not taking a medicine or a vaccine.

[00:34:31] It should always be free choice, and it ought to be under full informed consent, and it ought to be clinically indicated and medically necessary. And you're right. So many people, I would say the majority of people I run into say, listen, I had to take it for work. And I'd say, well, were you worried about COVID?

[00:34:50] No, I already had it. I knew I was fine. Oh, okay. Because what that is is that's an unnecessary medical treatment. So if there's an unnecessary medical treatment, that tips the balance towards risk because there can be little or no benefit, even if it works, even if it works.

[00:35:19] So we know now the messenger RNA and the adenoviral DNA vaccines install large amounts of spike protein in the body, the full-length spike protein. This is the most dangerous protein we've ever encountered in human medicine.

[00:35:19] Gets into the heart, the brain, the nervous system, causes blood clots. It actually may help promote cancer or reduce our resistance to cancer. It's poorly broken down by the human body. It's been found inside cells for months, if not years after infection.

[00:35:44] So we get it from both the infection, a small tip of it, the S1 segment. And then we get the full-length spike protein held open, actually, intentionally by Pfizer, Moderna through the messenger RNA vaccines. The Biden Administration and HHS has invested a billion dollars in long COVID syndrome.

[00:36:04] Long COVID syndrome is largely caused by this spike protein. Most of the research doesn't even acknowledge the spike protein is the cause. Most centers evaluating patients for long COVID syndrome don't even try to make a measurement of the spike protein. They're searching for something else.

[00:36:23] Luke: Is it possible to measure the level of spike protein in the body?

[00:36:27] Peter: There are antigen assays that actually are physically measuring it that are coming forward. And the antibody measurements are now pretty reliable indirect measures of it. Because once the human body disposes of any antigen, antibody levels fall off pretty quickly. So to give you an idea with the natural infection, we're using an assay here, an extended ratio assay natural infection.

[00:36:52] We'll see antibody levels of 100 to 500, but with the vaccine, we'll see 5,000, 8,000, 10,000, over 25,000. It's a massive amount of spike protein in the body. After evaluating this over the course, we're now four years into this, myself and others in my circles zeroed in on the spike protein and started asking the question, how can we assist the body in getting rid of this?

[00:37:20] There has to be a way. Credit given to Dr. Tanakawa and others from Japan who were working on this that found that nattokinase, which is the principal ingredient in Spike Support, which is derived from the fermentation of soy, the natural fermentation of soy, the principal bacteria is called Bacillus subtilis natto. It's partially fermented soy, which you can eat actually as natto.

[00:37:46] Luke: I eat a lot of natto. Yeah.

[00:37:47] Peter: Yeah. I ate natto the other day, and people--

[00:37:50] Luke: It'll stink up the whole house.

[00:37:51] Peter: People have a violent reaction to it. I don't know. I thought it was pretty good. It's like eating a legume.

[00:37:59] Luke: The consistency, because it's got that thick slime, is a little offputting, but actually has a nice taste. I figured out a good hack for it is a little hot sauce.

[00:38:08] Peter: There you go.

[00:38:09] Luke: And that brings down the pungent flavor of it.

[00:38:11] Peter: But I know why they eat natto for breakfast. You know why?

[00:38:14] Luke: Why?

[00:38:14] Peter: It really knocks out your hunger for a long period of time. It just quenches hunger. So anyhow, natto, and the key ingredient is nattokinase, which is an enzyme. The enzyme uniquely breaks down the spike protein. It literally melts it away. Whether it's free or even if it's inside cells, the nattokinase moves within cells. The nattokinase is also thrombolytic. It actually breaks up blood clots.

[00:38:43] And we know the spike protein causes its damage by causing micro blood clots. So nattokinase is almost a perfect answer for this. Now, a second family of enzymes derived from the stems of pineapple called bromelain. Bromelain also degrades the spike protein, but in a different way than nattokinase.

[00:39:03] So the two would be complementary. Bromelain, in 2022, became an FDA-approved drug as a topical ointment used in deep tissue wounds because it helps break up the stick proteinaceous eschar. So it's proteolytic. Bromelain is also a blood thinner. It actually elevates a particular blood test called the prothrombin type.

[00:39:29] And then the third part that we think is critical to this is managing the inflammation of the spike protein, of interest, uniquely another natural substance, which is curcumin. And it's derived from turmeric. And curcumin has actually even been brought through human trials. And even in human trials of people who've had COVID or the vaccine, it lowers levels of inflammation.

[00:39:52] And wow, what a discovery. And I can tell you, I'm a medical doctor. I'm an allopathic doctor. I'm not trained in naturopathic medicine. I have tried every drug under the sun. My tools are prescription drugs, and they haven't met the challenge of the spike protein, but three natural substances.

[00:40:10] So to summarize, nattokinase 2,000 units twice a day, bromelain 500 milligrams a day, and then curcumin 500 milligrams a day, all available as over the counter capsules. Now curcumin, we supercharge with another natural product, which is piperine, which is a black pepper extract, to get it absorbed.

[00:40:29] And those are starting doses. So let me give you an idea. The Chinese just completed a study where they use 10,000 units of nattokinase. Our starting dose is only 4,000 units a day. So we can range up with nattokinase. The safety level is probably about 80,000 units a day. We're using these now broadly in combination.

[00:40:50] Our first publication was in the Journal of American Physician and Surgeons. Second one was the Springer Nature Journal. Cureus Journal of Biomedical Sciences is now copyrighted, trademarked as the McCullough Protocol Base Spike Protein Detoxification, meaning it's a base. We can increase doses of them. We can add other products to them. We can tailor it to the patient's problem.

[00:41:12] But most people who've had one or more episodes of SARS-CoV-2 infection with some symptoms, and certainly, I think everybody who's taken one of these vaccines should play it safe and go on the McCulloch Protocol Base Spike Protein Detoxification.

[00:41:26] These are widely available in any natural store, Amazon, online retailers. Wellness Company, I think makes the best-in-class product. This nattokinase is combined with five minor ingredients, which play an assistive role, and all have supportive data like black sativa extract, and Irish sea moss, dandelion extract.

[00:41:47] So you can actually find data to support them. So Spike Support, you get the nattokinase, plus you get a lot more, and then adding in the bromelain and curcumin. So I can tell you, I broadly recommend that to my patients. It takes a long time to detoxify. People have had this in their body for a couple of years.

[00:42:05] And I tell them, please don't expect this is going to be over within two weeks. We're looking at minimum of three months to see any type of movement. Many times, six, nine, 12 months, but people are getting better under our direct observation. I can't make therapeutic claims because there are no large prospective double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trials.

[00:42:25] I've checked clinicaltrials.gov, and none are planned. So let me tell you, from the time we decide to invest in a trial, and a trial to actually see if this works, we need about 20,000 patients in each group. To plan that trial, fund it, get it done, and publish, we're looking at four to maybe 10 years of time.

[00:42:42] Most people don't have four to 10 years of time. So we're going with this. We did our best we could in the peer-reviewed literature. We're following people carefully. I've held calls with doctors all over the world, and I'm saying, listen, is this working? What is your direct observation? What does your intuition tell you? And doctors say, yes, it's working. It's slow. We probably will be able to go up on doses. We have to watch for bleeding. Bleeding is a caveat.

[00:43:08] Luke: This is the blood thinning?

[00:43:09] Peter: Yeah. Don't forget, bromelain prolongs the prothrombin time. The nattokinase elevates the D-dimer, which is actually showing fibrinolysis. So we have to watch for bleeding. There can be allergies. These need to be taken on an empty stomach. We take it right with the food stream. These are enzymes. They get preoccupied with the food stream. But isn't it interesting that in this great controversy, both SARS-CoV-2 infection and now the spike protein problems--

[00:43:39] In fact, Peter Parry in Australia has published this. He calls it spikeopathy, that our bodies have been loaded with the spike protein from this virus, engineered in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and the solutions out of this are natural. I find this so interesting.

[00:43:57] So even from the infection, look at this, we've already talked about this, valuable natural vitamin D in sunlight and fresh air. Valuable saline nasal washes, xylitol, a natural sugar; iodine, a natural substance. Isn't this interesting? Vitamin C is a natural substance. Quercetin, a natural polyphenol supplement. How about this?

[00:44:23] Hydroxychloroquine. It's derived from the cinchona bark. It's a natural product. Ivermectin, derived from the soil of Japan, a natural product. Aspirin, derived from the bark of birch trees. Heparin, a blood thinner, it's an animal product. It's derived from pigs and cows. So almost everything we've used to combat this very unnatural virus, an extremely unnatural set of genetic vaccines, is a natural response.

[00:44:56] Luke: It makes perfect sense to me. I don't have the depth of understanding on the basis of pharmaceuticals that you do, obviously, but taking something like aspirin, for example, and viewing that as something, yeah, that has been synthesized in a lab, but at its core, it's a plant medicine.

[00:45:16] Almost all medicine, if you really drill down, at some point, started as a plant medicine. I don't know why we, as a species, tend to find it so surprising when nature has the answers to our ills.

[00:45:30] Peter: But isn't it interesting that despite all the efforts in drug development, targeted drug development, again, this theme of man can outsmart nature, that the vast majority of drugs not only derive from nature, but are discovered via serendipity.

[00:45:42] So serendipity plays a huge, massive role in drug development, and serendipity played a role in pandemic response. So we worked our way through various protocols. Now, McCullough Protocol for early treatment was empiric.

[00:46:09] When I published it in the American Journal of Medicine, I said, listen, this is empiric. We're looking for things that have a signal of benefit, acceptable safety. This is a complicated illness. People are dying. No single drug is going to carry this. That we are going to use drugs in combination to cover the major phases of the illness, viral replication, cytokine storm or inflammation, and then blood clotting coagulation.

[00:46:33] And that was the proposal on the table. The figures show this. To this day, government agencies all over the world don't even recognize the illness for what it is, let alone endorse a multidrug protocol. It took two years for our biopharmaceutical complex, our National Institutes of Health, and FDA, and CDC, to endorse an oral outpatient drug to treat this illness.

[00:46:59] Now, it was a combination drug, Paxlovid, which is a combination of nirmatrelvir and ritonavir, but it was only focused on viral replication. It did nothing for inflammation, did nothing for blood clotting, and it took two years to get to that point. So people say, well, Dr. McCullough, you're treating patients without the government's endorsement. I said, the government was two years late.

[00:47:23] Luke: What are you going to do? Wait around for them to--

[00:47:25] Peter: Am I going to wait around for that? Of course, I wasn't going to wait a minute. And heroic doctors and nurses and intelligent people all over the world helped each other. And what a story this was. What a story this was. Today, and I know this is being filmed and will be date stamped, but I'll just say for this interview, today, finally a case was won in court, where the FDA is now forced to retract all of its comments on ivermectin.

[00:47:55] Luke: Oh, wow.

[00:47:56] Peter: Yeah. In court.

[00:47:58] Luke: That was another very suspect thing. You're having practitioners having results with things like ivermectin, and it was very suspect that there was such a concerted attack on that particular drug when it's been around forever and has been proven safe and won awards.

[00:48:15] It's just like, something's wrong with that. If the government is really that concerned about the public health crises that we're being told we're in, why wouldn't they throw everything in the kitchen sink at it, especially if there was low to no risk?

[00:48:31] Peter: Well, ivermectin, safer than Tylenol. When doctors face a new problem for the very first time and make their best attempt to treat patients, that becomes a community standard of care, whatever they do. So the very first doctors using hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, nasal sprays and gargles, aspirin, vitamin D, colchicine, other products in combination, that is the community standard of care.

[00:49:03] When we saw the US FDA, the CDC, the NIH and state medical boards interfering with the standard of care, we knew something very horrible was going on. The community standard of care that was evolving was the best chance at survival. Anything that impeded the standard of care could only do one thing, lead to death and lead to avoidable death.

[00:49:30] Luke: Ventilators.  What's the other drug?

[00:49:34] Peter: Remdesivir.

[00:49:35] Luke: Remdesivir. I can never pronounce that.

[00:49:36] Peter: The point is, it was all too late. When we were observing what was going on in the hospital, it became clear within a matter of weeks, the hospital's too late. We cannot start treatment in the hospital. We got to start it weeks ahead of time at home.

[00:49:50] Yet it was shocking. October 8th, 2020, this was about a month before I testified in the US Senate, told America-- I was the first to bring America the news that we could treat COVID at home with a multidrug protocol. I was honored to give that message based on my work and the work of others in the US Senate.

[00:50:07] But a month ahead of time, the National Institutes of Health released a guidelines that said, do not treat this at home. Do not treat it early. Wait till patients become sufficiently sick. Come in the hospital. Still don't treat it in the hospital until the oxygen levels start to fall in the bloodstream.

[00:50:30] And at that point, then begin the first treatment, which was remdesivir, a drug that has a high toxicity profile that is only designed to impair viral replication. By that phase of it, the viral replication is over with. Patients have tremendous inflammation and blood clotting in the lungs, and it's hopeless to use remdesivir.

[00:50:55] It's been exhaustively studied through meta analyses, the WHO, WHO Solidarity Group. Remdesivir does not reduce mortality. Does not. And yet to this day, it is the frontline drug promoted by our US public health agencies and by hospitals all over the country. The WHO, in November of 2020, said, do not use remdesivir to treat COVID-19. It doesn't reduce mortality. No one listened.

[00:51:23] Luke: Wow. For those listening or those with loved ones who have buyer's remorse, are there any other alternative methods to help one recover? And one that I became aware of was a treatment called EBO2. It's an ozone dialysis treatment, essentially like cleaning your blood with ozone dialysis and also a device called a hemolymin, which is a light therapy.

[00:51:51] So it's got UVA, UVC, and I think 660 nanometer red light. So all your blood comes out, one arm goes through the ozone dialysis, gets oxygenated from the ozone, then passes through these coils of light, and goes back in the other arm, like a 10 Pass Ozone treatment. I think you do three or four rounds of that.

[00:52:09] And I've done a few just for general maintenance because I'm a wild guy. In one of my treatments, one of the nurses had, I think she said she had two doses of the vaccine and developed myocarditis. I can't say that damn word either. How do you pronounce it?

[00:52:27] Peter: Myocarditis.

[00:52:28] Luke: Myocarditis. Because I was asking her, hey, this seems like since it's cleaning your blood so effectively that it could be useful in cleaning everything out of your blood, including the spike proteins and graphene oxide, etc. And she said, well, I didn't believe that, but I had this issue with my heart, and I did two of these treatments, and it was gone.

[00:52:45] And she said she's experienced that with a number of patients as well. So that was one that I just stumbled upon that seemed like it could hold promise. Are you aware of using hyperbaric oxygen, or ozone, or any of these other natural yet more medical alternative therapies in speeding up the recovery process?

[00:53:05] Peter: Well, what we know is the messenger RNA is physically stuck in the heart. That's been shown by Crosson and colleagues. Spike protein is inside cells. It's inside the heart. It's inside the brain. David Scheim, former NIH researcher, estimates that about 40% of the spike protein is physically attached to red blood cells.

[00:53:25] It's not just floating around. Brogna and colleagues did find a spike in plasma. Well, we believe most of it's in the tissues, so extracorporeal therapies, bringing blood outside the body wouldn't be the first thing that comes to mind. I would warn people, bringing blood outside the body and putting it through tubes is always going to activate coagulations.

[00:53:49] Be careful because people are prone to blood clotting post vaccination, post COVID. But having said that, this is what we've learned, is that the spike protein and messenger RNA look like they are in exosomes or little phospholipid packets, and they are in body fluids. They are in body fluids. Now, Hannah and colleagues have shown for sure the messenger RNA is in breast milk.

[00:54:13] Spike protein's been found in all the body fluids. Spike protein is in skin, for instance, eyes, hair. So I'll give you one. How about sweating? Sweating could be a good way for detoxification.

[00:54:27] Luke: Like sauna therapy?

[00:54:28] Peter: Sure, sauna, working out. When I work out at Texas, we sweat.

[00:54:33] Luke: You don't need a sauna in Texas, at least in the summer.

[00:54:35] Peter: But sweating is probably a good thing, to be honest with you. That comes to mind. Every study so far of hyperbaric oxygen therapy has been universally positive. And hyperbaric oxygen takes-- where we are now is you and I are breathing 21% oxygen in the air at one atmosphere of pressure.

[00:54:58] Hyperbaric oxygen increases the oxygen concentration in a chamber to 100% in two to three atmospheres of pressure. It is miraculous in terms of wound healing, diabetic wound ulcers. In fact, it's FDA-approved. It's paid for by CMS. It's universally used now in so many tissue injury syndromes. It's ideally positioned. Randomize trials show almost every symptom from the spike protein improved by the hyperbaric oxygen.

[00:55:27] The Swedish have a protocol proposal for six sessions. Israelis took it well over 40 sessions, somewhere in between. But hyperbaric oxygen therapy, an innovative approach. Intermittent fasting. Intermittent fasting turns on prostheses for what's called normal autophagy, that is, programmed cell death.

[00:55:49] The body does need a repair and clean out of cells as they get older. Probably the best trigger for this is intermittent fasting. If a cell has spike protein in it and one gets that cell to fold up and undergo normal disposal, that's goodbye spike protein. So autophagy. Intermittent fasting's been proposed.

[00:56:09] And I think it has a pretty solid rationale. I'll give you one that's so interesting. Do you know that smokers breeze through all of this pandemic?

[00:56:22] Luke: Are you getting at nicotine?

[00:56:23] Peter: Yes.

[00:56:24] Luke: I don't smoke, but I chew nicotine a lot, and I'm not proud of it because I think I do it way more than I would like to, to be honest.

[00:56:32] Peter: So the nicotine--

[00:56:33] Luke: But when I heard that, I was like, free pass.

[00:56:36] Peter: Yeah. We thought smokers were going to be destroyed with SARS-CoV-2 infection, but no, the smokers tended to breeze through the illness. I've seen thousands of patients with vaccine injury syndromes post COVID. I can't think of one smoker. One. Smokers actually don't get these problems. And what's been learned now is that the nicotine strategically blocks the spike protein from interacting with human receptors.

[00:57:05] Luke: That's crazy.

[00:57:06] Peter: Again, serendipity. It's a discovery. So there's been one peer-reviewed manuscript on this. I do it in practice now. But it's easy to use a nicotine patch or nicotine gum. A smoker would need, let's say, 21 mg patch nicotine replacement. We're using 7 mg at non-smokers. But patients feel like they perk up. This post exertional fatigue, brain fog, lack of clarity, everything improves with a nicotine patch.

[00:57:34] Luke: That's so interesting. It makes sense going back to the origin of medicine being plant medicine. Because as I understand it, the tobacco plant that produces nicotine is essentially producing its own insecticide. So there's a medicinal like oxalates on things like raspberries, and spinach, and kale. They're insecticides that the plants make for their own defense, so that they're not eaten essentially.

[00:57:59] Peter: Wow.

[00:58:00] Luke: Yeah. So I've heard that the tobacco plant makes its own insecticide, and it's called nicotine. So it would make sense that it's medicine if used the right way. So that's cool.

[00:58:09] Peter: Such a wonderful theme we've woven here in that there's been a great injury to the human population, and we're finding natural ways out of it. But I do think it takes effort. I think everybody now who's taken a vaccine, who's had COVID multiple times, we have to take action.

[00:58:22] We do need to improve our health. We're bombarded with fearful messages of influenza, respiratory syncytial virus, monkey pox. The World Health Organization and the Biden Administration had previously declared a national monkey pox emergency. I don't know if you felt it down here. I didn't really feel it in Dallas, but, think about this. Now disease X.

[00:58:53] Luke: Yeah.

[00:58:54] Peter: The Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, the premier vaccine incubator founded by the World Economic Forum and Bill Gates has written over 100-page white paper on disease X with great enthusiasm. There will be another disease.

[00:59:09] Luke: It's almost like they want it to happen.

[00:59:10] Peter: With great enthusiasm. It'll be 20 times more deadly with COVID. And guess what? There'll be only one answer for disease X.

[00:59:18] Luke: A vaccine. You talked about how these spike proteins replicate and are present in bodily fluids. And there's been over the past couple of years, a lot of concern about people that are newly vaccinated being around or having sex with, or breastfeeding, unvaccinated people, this idea of shedding. Is there any hard data that can actually determine how much of that shedding is going on and for how long?

[00:59:48] If I had the vaccine right at the beginning, three years ago or whatever, would that shedding phenomenon have calmed down, or are you just a permanent vector for spike proteins everywhere you breathe and touch and anywhere your bodily fluids go?

[01:00:03] Peter: The person who's published the most on this is Helene Banoun, a former INSERM scientist in France. The picture is very incomplete because there's no funding to do this type of research. This is what we know. [Inaudible] and colleagues has measured messenger RNA in human blood after the vaccine for at least 28 days. Could be longer, as long as they have looked.

[01:00:25] Brogna and colleagues has found Pfizer or Moderna spike protein. You can actually identify the signature of the spike protein, by the way, the synthetic spike protein. They found it in blood for up to six months. Could be longer. Could be longer. Zang and colleagues, a Chinese company took a limited segment of the messenger RNA coding for the receptor binding domain, was able to stabilize it in a milk bubble, an exosome, and get it to transfer across the mammalian GI tract in an animal model, and actually, through the gastrointestinal tract, vaccinate a recipient.

[01:01:08] Luke: Wow.

[01:01:09] Peter: Now, Hannah and colleagues have shown two papers. The messenger RNA gets through breast milk, for sure. For sure, it's in breast milk. And recently, a paper has shown that the messenger RNA is in the placenta, and then on into the cord blood, into the baby. So as we sit here today, it's all circumstantial, but it looks like shedding is real.

[01:01:32] People said, does it have any clinical consequences? Now, the literature is pretty clear on this. The one clear clinical consequence is that a woman who is around somebody vaccinated can clearly have a change in menstrual period. An unvaccinated, in a sense, passive recipient. Now, we don't know if that's the messenger RNA or the spike protein, but that's been shown in multiple studies.

[01:01:56] So a woman's menstrual period is a very sensitive barometer of shedding. We just don't understand the clinical importance of it at this point in time. It's never been proven that it goes through a unit of donated blood. We don't know through the cooling process and filtering what happens.

[01:02:16] We don't know about kissing, sexual intercourse. So I'm commonly asked to give advice, and I can say, listen, based on the emerging data, I would suggest someone who does take a vaccine try to refrain from close contact, kissing, sexual contact, intimate contact for at least three months, maybe six months. Nobody did this at all.

[01:02:41] Luke: I'm with you there. I had an interesting experience probably about two years ago. I was going to donate blood just to offload some iron and maybe help someone out as a result. And one of the questions in the intake was, did you have the COVID-19 vaccine? And of course I answered no, because I didn't.

[01:03:03] And I asked the nurse, if somebody says yes to that question, is that blood in any way marked or sequestered, or does it just go into the general blood bank and be delivered to the hospitals or wherever it goes? She said, oh no, we just ask you that for whatever other reason. I forget what she said.

[01:03:20] She said, no, all the blood is just mixed up together, and it's not marked in any way. And I thought, okay, remind me to never get a blood transfusion unless it's from someone I know that's not vaccinated. That's crazy.

[01:03:32] Peter: Well, they asked the question now. So they could segregate the blood. Someone could say, listen, I want a unit of unvaccinated blood. And hopefully people are truthful on the forms and what have you. But they asked the question.

[01:03:42] The only country I'm aware of where someone can actually ask for and get unvaccinated blood is Switzerland. They do ask the question. But for a very long time, the American Red Cross, and Carter Blood Center in Dallas, and others, just refused to even ask the question.

[01:03:56] A group of pathologists, myself, wrote to the blood banking industry early in 2021 and said, listen, this is going to contaminate the blood supply. You've got to do something. And they wrote a nice letter back saying, we recognize your concerns, and they did nothing.

[01:04:11] Luke: Wow. Terrifying. All right. I'm going to go fringe here before we wrap it up. Over the past few years, I've noticed a few trends on social media, and this is citizen journalism. This isn't studies, and that's why I'm asking you, because you might be aware that there's some validity to some of these.

[01:04:11] One of the ones that was most shocking to me, and there's been a few of these videos have been where somebody takes a Bluetooth monitor, essentially, that's able to determine if there's incoming Bluetooth signals, a few of these. One of them was in France.

[01:04:52] They go into a cemetery, and they walk over any of the newer graves, and they pick up a Bluetooth signal from the grave. And there's no devices around anywhere. And there's been a few of those done in different ways. Have you seen any evidence to support the idea that there's some RFID chip or some nanotechnology, something that would be electrosensitive or able to receive or transmit inserted into the gene therapy?

[01:05:21] Peter: Not directly, but I can tell you, I've seen some pretty convincing demonstrations early on of magnetism.

[01:05:28] Luke: Okay.

[01:05:29] Peter: So, early on, this is the explanation, the batches that were made from Pfizer and Moderna-- and by the way, the companies don't make their own products. They're made by biodefense contractors. Companies are just shells.

[01:05:43] Luke: It's like branding. It's like whitelabeling for the military industrial complex.

[01:05:47] Peter: People should not feel that comfortable about a vaccine made by a biodefense contractor. It should be made by some approved company with approved facilities, and they're made by contractors that serve the military.

[01:06:01] But the explanation is, early on, the batches were small, and there are magnetic beads used in the manufacturing process, little micromagnetic beads, and probably some of them came off. And when injected, before they distribute through the body, there was magnetism, so people would show a spoon or something.

[01:06:18] Luke:  I remember that, yeah.

[01:06:19] Peter: But you don't see that anymore at all.

[01:06:23] Luke: Ah, so you think it was in the initial batches.

[01:06:24] Peter: Yeah, the initial batches.

[01:06:25] Luke: Because when I saw those, I did some tests on myself and my wife, and a magnet would stick to my sternum, and I wasn't vaccinated. And then I did it to my wife. This is going back a couple of years now. I tested her and she was magnetic in quite a few spots, like on the side of her arm. And she didn't have the vaccine either. So we're going, what the hell? Is it an iron concentration in the blood where there's thicker bones?

[01:06:48] Peter: Or just electrolyte charges. So again, it could be just a red herring. It could be something real. But no, I haven't seen anything that there are chips. But I do have to remark that the CDC says on its website, there's no microchips in the vaccines. Why would they say that?

[01:07:08] Luke: That's interesting.

[01:07:10] Peter: Anytime a federal agency says something, you have to ask the question, what motivated them to say that?

[01:07:19] Luke: Right.

[01:07:21] Peter: What motivated them to say that? The same agency. And they've taken it down on their website. But it was several years ago. They had an entire teaching vignette, and it was called the zombie apocalypse [Inaudible] of vaccinations. So you have to wonder, what is in the minds of agency officials to put these out on their website?

[01:07:46] Luke: I agree. All right. Last question about that. Have you seen any evidence around the presence of graphene oxide? That was another one that was going around and people were concerned about having that in their body unknowingly as a result of taking those shots.

[01:08:00] Peter: I haven't seen any credible evidence.

[01:08:02] Luke: Okay. Yeah. It's difficult when things like this happen because everyone's afraid, and you have the people that are more conservative and toe the party lines, and just, trust the government, trust the CDC. And then you have people in the middle that are critical thinkers and being cautious and doing a little research.

[01:08:23] And then you have the far fringes of super far out people that think everything is a conspiracy. So it's difficult sometimes to ascertain what is real and what is not, like, is the graphene oxide in it? If so, what does it do? Is it bad? How do you get it out? Are the Bluetooth signals at the cemetery real?

[01:08:41] It's like, there's so many unknowns here. So as we bring it to a close, I think I would agree with you that regardless of whether you've participated in that medical experiment or you've been in close proximity to people that have, it's probably just a good idea get on your Spike Support, get the nattokinase.

[01:09:01] Maybe do a round of hyperbaric sessions. Do what you would normally do to lead a healthy lifestyle, but maybe add some stuff in just for safe measure. The baseline health recommendations, I don't think are going to do it for us now because we've passed the Rubicon of whatever this is that's in our blood supply, and in our air, and people walking around that are, as I said, vectors for these spike proteins unknowingly. There's just a lot we don't understand. So to me, it makes sense to be pretty strategic and aggressive in your detox protocols and things like that.

[01:09:38] Peter: SARS-CoV-2, the worldwide infection of which nearly everyone had, and now mass vaccination, of which about two thirds of the world subscribe to, has changed the calculus of human health, for sure, for sure. It's changed the trajectory of each and every one of us.

[01:09:59] I recently testified in Congress, January 12, 2024, and I told the nation that the FDA says, for genetic products, of which Pfizer, Moderna, Janssen, AstraZeneca, the minimum period of time we have to worry about what's going to happen in human health is five years after the last injection.

[01:10:23] And the range is probably five to 15 years after injection. That's in the FDA regulations. What I'm seeing in clinical practice matches that. I am seeing people develop complications now years after this happened. So everybody has to be vigilant. Everyone has to be alert.

[01:10:45] I think each and every one of us have an obligation to ourselves and our family members to achieve the highest level of fitness, the best diet we possibly can. And we should take steps to try to neutralize this threat, the spike protein from SARS-CoV-2.

[01:11:04] Wellness Company Spike Support, the nattokinase, in it, bromelain, curcumin. There may be other favorable substances. I think we should be pretty liberal on various general multivitamin and supplementation, things that look very attractive, N-acetylcysteine, as an example. There may be [Inaudible]. There's one paper on [Inaudible], other forms of proteolytic enzymes.

[01:11:33] Luke: That was another funny thing that happened you just reminded me of there was talk of them banning NAC a couple of years ago. Were you aware of that? And that was one of the things that was proven to be natural and effective toward the whole issue. So I bought a bunch of it. I was like hoarding it, like toilet paper or something. And then, I don't know, people seem to be still selling it, so I don't know if they got rid of it or what.

[01:11:58] Peter: There's a movement by the Federal Trade Commission to try to basically purge natural products from shelves. And their claim is, well, if we don't have a large, prospective, double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial, that it shouldn't be out there, even if it meets the grade of being safe and if people find it effective or useful, to be able to use. Now, we're not making therapeutic claims.

[01:12:23] It's called Spike Support because we can't make a therapeutic claim unless we have a large trial, but we should all be disturbed. Why would government agencies try to suppress simple, effective treatments for SARS-CoV-2? Why would they work very hard to cover up vaccine injuries, disabilities, and deaths, and now why are they working to try to remove natural products from us as we try to recover from this terrible time?

[01:12:54] Luke: It's highly suspect to say the least. It's calmed down, but there was a period of time during which If I posted something about methylene blue on my Instagram, it would get flagged or deleted. And I wasn't even saying like, hey, this cures COVID or anything.

[01:13:12] I just was posting about its health benefits for mitochondria, oxygen uptake, etc., the things that we know methylene blue does. And yeah, the algorithm, the censors did not like that particular substance being talked about. I'm going, this is, I think, the first pharmaceutical drug in the world. It's very safe, very effective for a number of different things. Why would they possibly want to suppress that?

[01:13:35] Peter: It's almost as if the playbook was known ahead of time, that everything that could be useful to treat the virus was already set up as a flag because of censorship happening very early. There was this trusted news initiative by the BBC that came out and said-- the vaccines were approved in December of 2020.

[01:13:55] A day afterwards, the British Broadcasting Company came out with a trusted news initiative and said, we're going to combat deadly vaccine misinformation. How did they know? The vaccines weren't even out yet that there'd be misinformation. That there was a playbook. And we saw early on through social media, mainstream media, suppression of any hope of treatment, anything.

[01:14:15] And they must have had a list because, vitamin D, N-acetylcysteine, and just on and on and on, fresh air. Interesting, the nasal sprays and gargles attacked viciously by the federal commission. All the companies were tied up in court. This costs them millions of dollars. Everything from simple iodine or xylitol.

[01:14:37] Luke: I have a friend, Dr. John Lieurance, who has a company called MitoZen and he makes all these great nasal sprays with probiotics, and silver, and all the things. And at some point, they came down on him, and he had to basically develop a private membership site so that he could sell the nasal sprays legally and then had to stop calling them nasal sprays.

[01:14:59] I forget what he called-- they're a different name. And the same thing with suppositories too, which is crazy because it's such a-- it's not for everyone, but it's an effective way to saturate your blood for a longer period of time with nutraceuticals and whatnot. But they came down on him for that, so they had to change the name to Bullet. They can't use the word nasal spray or suppository. It's just insane.

[01:15:21] Peter: But remember, whatever's going on is worldwide, which I find so interesting. This is not a US only problem. It's worldwide. I had a chance to interview Dr. Eugenia Barrientos in El Salvador, treated tens of thousands of patients. She's a middle-aged woman, excellent clinician, thin, and dynamic. And I asked her, I said, did you ever wear a mask? She goes, no, I didn't. I saw patients morning, noon, and night. She developed a very detailed laboratory method, so she actually had blood samples.

[01:15:54] She got really close contact with tens of thousands of sick patients with SARS- CoV-2. And I said, what do you think about the Chinese wearing hazmat suits and tackling each other in the streets and trying to do nasal swabs? Think about it. So she's seen patients face to face, tens of thousands, her entire staff, and she's fine.

[01:16:16] And yet there's images of Chinese police officers and health officials wearing hazmat suits out on the streets. Her only conclusion, which is my conclusion, is they must have lost their minds.

[01:16:29] Luke: Yeah.

[01:16:29] Peter: They must have lost their minds. People must have actually just lost their minds. Historians will go through this, and you can imagine what historians are going to write about this.

[01:16:44] Luke: It's a period of collective insanity. Well, thank you for being a voice of reason. Thank you for your courage, coming forward so early on and jeopardizing your reputation, I'm assuming career to some degree. And I wish there were more legitimate physician scientists like you that had the courage to do so.

[01:17:04] So hopefully you're going to be an inspiration for more people to come out and go, wow, I'm still alive. I'm helping people. I'm following the oath that I took to become a physician, and remembering that. So thank you. And I'm going to remind people the show notes are at lukestorey.com/drpeter.

[01:17:19] And we will also put the links for the Spike Support and all the other Wellness Company products on there too. Because you guys are doing some good stuff. I've been using your Restful Sleep product, [Inaudible], all the good stuff, chamomile extract. And this one I ran out of really fast, the CoQ10 and PQQ.

[01:17:42] We don't have time to get into it, but this is amazing for energy. It's a really, really good stack. So when they sent me one of these, it was gone in a week, pounded through it. So thank you for that. And man, it's been great. I really appreciate you coming and making the time to be with us today.

[01:17:56] Peter: Well, thanks so much for having me. And I'll just finish by saying, if all of this effort, that myself and others have put forward, if I helped one person, one person, it was all worth it.

[01:18:10] Luke: Indeed. Well, you just helped a few thousand as a result of having this conversation.

[01:18:15] Peter: Thank you.

[01:18:16] Luke: Thank you so much.