[00:00:00]Luke Storey:  I'm Luke Storey. For the past 22 years, I've been relentlessly committed to my deepest passion, designing the ultimate lifestyle based on the most powerful principles of spirituality, health, psychology. The Life Stylist podcast is a show dedicated to sharing my discoveries and the experts behind them with you. David Icke, welcome to the show.

[00:00:28]David Icke:  Thank you.

[00:00:30] Luke Storey: Man, it's so funny for me to be sitting here looking at you, talking to you as someone who's been taking in your work since probably 2000 or shortly after, and now, seeing your sort of meteoric rise in popularity and awareness, which is a very good sign. And what I find funny is that over the years, I think from the outside, those that have been skeptical or even critical of your work and perspective have labeled you permanently, what's called a conspiracy theorist, but going back over the 30 years of your work, I would venture so far to say, and I'm not trying to kiss your ass here, but because so many of the things that you projected are now unfolding before us as really more of a prophetic approach than one of a conspiracy theorist.

[00:01:26] Things that used to sound completely insane that you would talk about are now just very obviously in front of us. And so, it's really fun to kind of meet you at this point on the other side of some of that ridicule. But at the same time, it's also somewhat terrifying that so much of what you've talked about has come true also, you know what I mean? So, the good news is he was right. The bad news is he was right. So, I thought we might start perhaps from the context of some of your earlier work. 

[00:01:58] And this is going back to, I think, the last time I saw you spoke was in LA in 2008, and taking in books like Children of the Matrix, and specifically, Infinite Love is the Only Truth: Everything Else is Illusion. And I've always seen your work from really more of a metaphysical point of view. So, I thought you might just briefly kind of lay out how you arrived at your world view and where some of these abilities to perceive what's going on in a way that many other people don't came from.

[00:02:29]David Icke:  Well, that's a long story.

[00:02:32]Luke Storey:  We have a lot to cover, probably, like I said.

[00:02:35]David Icke:  Yeah. Well, first of all, if you can uncover a plan being orchestrated from the shadows to transform human society, and you can uncover the sequence of events and where it's meant to lead, and then, you communicate that, well, unless something intervenes to stop that plan unfolding, you are in effect, by exposing the plan, predicting the future. The whole point of what I've been doing for 30 years, and still, I'm doing, and will go on doing is to alert enough people, so there is an intervention. 

[00:03:30] And we are in a position of danger, very great danger from the point of view of human freedom. But it's also a position of great opportunity because what has happened in the last few months over this coronavirus, what I would call a hoax, and the lockdowns, and the draconian impositions all over the world is that a lot of people who would not look at the world from a different angle before are starting to do so.

[00:04:14] See, what I've had thrown at me all the way through these 30 years is that a few people can't control the world, so what you're saying is ridiculous. Well, what we've had in the last two months or so is a handful of people comparatively to the global population, putting billions of people under, in effect, house arrest. So, the idea that a few can't control the many, well, that's gone. It's not gone in the minds of lots of people who are what I call presented people who will simply just buy anything they're told by authority.

[00:04:49] But at an enormously greater number, I've realized that actually, a few people can control the lives of billions. And it happens through acquiescence and through fear of consequences. So, there's two types of mentality that have conceded themselves to lockdown. One is that which has been persuaded that it is under enormous danger from this alleged virus. But when you look at the numbers, percentages, the numbers are tiny and concentrated in one basic age group, and there's a reason for that, which we may come to.

[00:05:41] And so, the lethal nature of this alleged virus that's been sold to people is a fantasy. The figures show it's a fantasy. And if you believe it, that it exists, it's a fantasy. But the perceptual programming that's gone on, because that's what the whole conspiracy is about, manipulating the perceptions of the population, so we behave the way the few want, has been that it is dangerous to humanity. And thus, they've gone under lockdown because they fear the consequences of not doing so.

[00:06:22] They put the masks on, which are bloody useless because even if there were viral particles, they're much smaller than the pores in the mask. But they do that because they fear the consequences. And basically, what this global cult, as I call it, has done to that group of people, vast group of people, is to activate their survival mechanism, to activate, basically, the fight or flight mechanism of human survival and other mechanisms of human survival, which basically creates a mentality that says, I must do anything to survive, so I will agree to draconian lockdowns and fascistic lockdowns because I am persuaded that I have a better chance of survival if I do that. 

[00:07:18] I will do anything these few in dark suits tell me because I'm persuaded that I've got more chance of survival if I do that. And by the way, I will also turn against those who are not buying the story because my perception is they are putting my survival in danger by what they're doing. So, that group of people have acquiesced on that basis. Then, there's another group of people who realize there's something not right here. It makes no sense.

[00:07:52] The story makes no sense. It's full of holes. It's full of contradictions. But then, they think of consequences of, but if I challenge it, what are the consequences for me of challenging it? So, they acquiesce on the basis of that. What you've got is two groups of people who are acquiescing because of perceived consequences. And if you constantly look at consequences for actions, that invariably you will not do what needs to be done because the consequences will persuade you not to do it. 

[00:08:32] So, the head and the guts, emotion are constantly looking at consequences. What happens if I do this? Well, if you come from another point of observing the world, I call it the heart. Well, you do what you know to be right, you do what you believe to be right, and you don't consider the consequences of doing it. Because to consider the consequences is to consider not doing what you know and believe to be right, and that will never do that. 

[00:09:15] And if we came at this from a heart point of view, and people talk about the heart love, but it's far more than that. First of all, what we call love in this sense is far greater than physical attraction. It's something immensely greater. But also, through the heart comes innate intelligence. This is why when people intuitively know something, they say, I know, I know. When they're trying to work something out with their head through thought, they go, I'm thinking, I'm thinking. 

[00:09:58] The body language shows you the different points from which these different points of observation and perspective are coming from. So, when you come from the heart, you're accessing higher, more expanded levels of consciousness. And anyone can do it. It's not, you don't sit cross-legged on a mountain, I'm the guru, anyone could do it, it's just a choice, and you get innate intelligence. You see through things. You see panoramas instead of just dots.

[00:10:37] So, what appears to be bewildering dots of happenings, what's happening, what's going on, what's all this about, the heart from this greater perspective of consciousness can see how the dots connect, can see the panorama, can see the picture instead of just the pixels. And by opening the heart, you are entering levels of consciousness that are beyond the incredibly limited band of frequency that we call the world. Because people look through their eyes and you say to them, "Can you see everything that exists in the space you're looking at?" And I'll say, "Yeah", but they can't.

[00:11:27] They're only looking at a tiny, laughable, narrow band of frequency called visible light. According to mainstream science or many mainstream scientists, the electromagnetic spectrum is North point, north, north 5% of what exists in the universe and visible light is only a smear of the north point, north, north 5%. So, we we are basically in a narrow band like a television channel, where all the other television channels exist in the same space, but we're only aware of this one.

[00:12:07] So, if you get caught only in five-sense perception, can I see it, touch it, hear it, taste it, oh, it exists then, then you're actually perceiving the world from a very narrow perspective. And not only that, you are in the world in the band of frequency and you are also of the band of frequency because you're getting all your information or your perception from within the band of frequency, the mainstream media and all the rest of it.

[00:12:41] And so, you're basically in what I call the bubble. It's a perceptual bubble. And they can be so easily manipulated by those who understand how human psychology works. But when you open the heart, when you go beyond the head and beyond the gut, you start expanding your awareness into levels of consciousness that are way beyond the band of frequency that is perceived by the five senses. And so, you start to see the world and events in a completely different way because you are basically on the top of the hill looking down across the valley instead of just being in a tiny band of tiny bubble, which is the whole scale totality of your perceptual state.

[00:13:42] What the cult wants all the time, and the education system, and all these forms of information are designed to do that, they want to hold people in the five senses, five-sense perception. But when you open your heart, five-sense perception is only part of you. Now, you're in the world through the five senses. But you know of the world in the perception, the point of observation that you are observing it. And so, the world looks very different.

[00:14:14] And what happens is that those that are in that mode, and like I say, this is not sitting cross-legged on a mountain saying, I'm the guru, anyone can do this, anyone. It's just a choice. But when you do go into that mode of perception, then those still in the bubble call you mad, crazy, dangerous, and all of these things. And this has gone on through our human history. If you look at religion, religions are bubbles. They are perceptual bubbles.

[00:14:50] They have rules, regulations, and walls. If you step outside of a religious bubble, you're a blasphemer, et cetera. And all the way through human history, if you look at it, there has been a norm. It might be a religious norm at one point. It might be a political norm at another point, whatever. And those norms are then policed by the population to stop anyone breaking out of them. And all the way through history, people have been burned at the stake and horrific things have happened to them.

[00:15:25] And in the West today, instead of assassinating you, that still goes on a bit, they assassinate your character. That's the way they do it. But the thing is that when you open your heart, genuinely open your heart, and you connect with these expanded levels of consciousness, what people say about you, do about you, throw at you, it doesn't matter anymore because the abuse and the ridicule you get is simply another consequence of speaking your truth. 

[00:15:58] And because the heart will speak its truth without considering consequences, because like I say, to consider consequences is to consider not speaking its truth, then ridicule and abuse is just another consequence, it doesn't really matter. Speaking your truth is what matters. And that's what I've been doing for 30 years. But what happens in the end? And I'll finish this first answer here, I don't want to go on forever. What happens in the end is that if what you're saying has validity, this is the point, then eventually it will be shown to be so.

[00:16:35] And when it does, those who've laughed at you, ridiculed you, abused you will start to say, "Hold on a minute, that's what this guy said, didn't he? And it's happening." But if you hadn't have said it way back and over these 30 years, then this process would not be possible. So, you speak your truth, you get the consequences for that. It doesn't matter to you because you speak your truth. That's all you're worried about. And if it has validity, then eventually, it will be shown to be so and we'll reach a situation that we're in now.

[00:17:10]Luke Storey:  Beautifully stated. Thank you for that. And it reminds me of my position as this all started to unfold, speaking of this, I don't even know what to call it, I just call it the situation. I guess there's no name, I think, that aptly fits it because it's so complex and nuanced. But when this started to unfold, people started to ask me, as someone who has opinions and perspectives on things in the world, what's your take on this? And I really had to stand back and wait for a moment untile more information was revealed.

[00:17:41] One thing I did know as this COVID thing started to unfold and leaked through the media in the very beginning from China, within my heart and that place of truth and divine intuition, I knew that what we're being told wasn't fact. I didn't know what fact was, but I knew it wasn't. So, I had to really just stand back. And then, as I started to get more information, I was really faced with that decision that you just described of, am I willing to put my ass on the line here for what I believed to be true or at least in the pursuit of truth from those who might have discovered it?

[00:18:16] And it was a decision that I had to take quite seriously because of the consequences. But as you stated, the consequence of pouring out your integrity and pretending like you don't have a perspective, or point of view, or that you haven't uncovered any truth is a far greater price to pay ultimately than speaking your mind, speaking your truth, come what may. And so, I honor your integrity.

[00:18:40] And I think it's very encouraging to people who sense untruth about anything and are afraid to speak out because they don't want to be the black sheep that gets culled from the herd. And in the age of censorship and all of the oppression that we're facing now as content and media creators that work independently, it's more important than ever now, right, that we are able to openly share points of view.

[00:19:03] So, my question then is, if we're arriving at these truths, and we're wanting to share ideas freely, and bounce things off one another, and the channels of communication are controlled by that system at the upper levels to the point where now, we're being silenced, what do you think we can do other than just individually from that heart space, but to share information freely? Do you foresee alternative technologies that aren't run by the overlords at YouTube, Facebook, et cetera, emerging that are viable? I know you've started a platform yourself for uncensored information. What do you see coming in terms of our ability to speak freely as it's being oppressed currently?

[00:19:47]David Icke:  Well, they say quite rightly, it's a wonderful phrase, necessity is the mother of invention. And fortunately, we do have video channels like a BitChute that are non-censored. And what I would say is, if you keep speaking your truth, that is a power. It's a power and it's a power that will manifest what you need. In my view, what we're doing all the time is creating feedback loops between our perceptions and the quantum field of possibility and probability, what I call the field. The field, the energetic sea that connects us all.

[00:20:43] And if you, for instance, believe you are little me, I have no power, every perception, every emotion, every thought is a frequency. It's a different frequency. Hate and love are very different frequencies. Joy and depression are very different frequencies. This is why people say, "Oh, I feel so heavy today", when they're feeling depressed or downstate. Other days, they think, oh, I feel so light today, that's because they feel joyous. These are different frequencies.

[00:21:19] So, our perceptions are a band of frequencies representing those perceptions, which we are constantly broadcasted. And if you believe that you are a little me, I have no power, then you are broadcasting a very narrow, limited band of frequency representing your state of perception of, I have no power. I am just little me. And so, your feedback loop between your perceptions and quantum possibility will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Your experience will invariably match your perceptions, see, I told you, nothing ever happens to me. I told you I had no power.

[00:22:11] And that will go on until people realize that actually, what you're experiencing is just a manifestation of your perceptions. When you come from another point of view, well, let me go into an intermediate one, which is, well, I'm going to take the system on. I'm going to challenge it. But to know I'm going to get all these consequences, and I know in the end, I won't be able to do it, and that's the martyr complex, where, I'm going to try, but I'm going to be a glorious failure.

[00:22:49] And I know that it's too powerful, but I'm going to do my best. Well, that's a feedback loop. And that feedback loop of perception o quantum possibility is going to create a situation in which the system will crush you when you try to take it on. But when you open this and you say, "I'm not David Icke. That's my experience. That's the name of my experience. What I am is all there is has been and ever could be having that experience and observing that experience.

[00:23:22] And I am far more powerful than the little boys and girls in short trousers who are in such a bewildered psychological state that they desire to have power over everyone else. So, I'm more powerful than they are." And that's been shown because in recent events, because we have this cult that controls the virtual entirety of the global mainstream media, it owns Silicon Valley, it owns governments and their agencies, and it runs the education system, all these things, and yet, it's been running round shouting fire with its knickers in a complete twist over a guy who's putting out information that's challenging their official narrative.

[00:24:15] Now, if they had real power, then they won't bother about me, they won't even try to censor me. Well, irrelevant me. But they don't have real power because their power is the power the population they're targeting gives to them all the time in acquiescence. If we didn't acquiesce, they would have no power. Their power over us is our power we give to them. So, when you come from that perspective and you know that you're more powerful than they are, then that creates a feedback loop of a very different kind.

[00:25:01] And what happens then is what you need to overcome this control, will manifest in your life. See, if you look at what's happened to me in the last few weeks, people might think it's a negative thing. Always being banned from YouTube. Okay. Well, we'll find another way of doing videos. We have. Always being banned from Facebook, it was almost a relief. Does anyone think Facebook is worth using when it's run by a psychopath who has created, systematically, ways to manipulate the psyche, and the emotions, and the self-respect of the young of the world. 

[00:25:50] I mean, really, Zuckerberg? And and it would seem, oh, no, that's a bad thing. But what's happened is that because there's a silver lining in every cloud, people who are looking at my work now in greater and greater numbers, who would never have looked at it before, because they're saying, "Well, hold on a minute. They've told us all this time, this guy's a nutter and should be dismissed as just freak, and yet, here they are in unison trying to silence him. What's going on?"

[00:26:43] So, they're having a look at the work, and that's been a great boon and benefit in terms of of people who would not have looked at what I'm saying before, now looking at it in larger, larger numbers. And just because they knock you off this and knock you off that, this is a long game. This is not, it's all going to be decided in 24 hours. This is he long game. I've been doing this for 30 years. I would do it for a long time yet. 

[00:26:57] And so, there are lots of surprises coming. And it's something that when you come from that perspective, that I'm not intimidated, I will speak my truth, and I am more powerful than you are, little boys and girls in short trousers, then that feedback loop with possibility and probability manifest what you need when you need it. Over the last 30 years, there have been times when you thought, well, it looks like it's over here.

[00:27:31] And then, suddenly, bang, something comes out of nowhere. And you're on again, you're off again. And that's the point. When you're in little me mode, and you're set at, you're creating this very narrow, very limited feedback loop between perceptions and experience, then your life is not terribly synchronistic. It's like, nothing interesting happens to me. Every day is the same. And why? Because your perceptions are on such a narrow band of sense of the possible, that this feedback loop is going to deliver those perceptions as experience.

[00:28:19] Round, and round, and round. Limited experience. Nothing interesting, exciting ever happens. Nothing really synchronistic ever happens. But then, what happens? And many people watching this will have experienced it, when you go through what people call an awakening—and what is an awakening, it's just breaking through the programming, the perceptual program is what awakening is. We're already awake, all of us. We're already at points to potential within all that is, has been, and ever can be. We don't have to seek enlightenment. We are enlightened.

[00:28:52] What we have to do is remove these onion skins of perceptual programming that hold us in the bubble and disconnect us from a strong influence, from expanded awareness beyond it. But when you do start to break out of these programs and you start to expand your awareness, suddenly, so many times, it happened to me big time 30 years ago, suddenly, you start to notice these amazing synchronicities, coincidences, bumping into people. What's the chances of meeting you here? 

[00:29:32] Walking into information, walking into personal experiences that give you a greater understanding. This is what starts to happen as you expand your consciousness out of the program, out of the five-sense bubble because you are now interacting with possibility and probability in a much more expanded and high-frequency way, just because you perceptions have changed, your self-identity has changed from, I am little me to, I am infinite me.

[00:30:03] And suddenly, you are interacting with such a vastly greater sway of possibility and probability that that enters your life as an experience. And suddenly, the possibilities of your life and things that happen to you expand in the same way. And this process of re-defining self-identity, that's all it is, I feel. People talk about, you need to go on quests, you need to do this, you need to do that, well, good luck to you if you feel that. 

[00:30:36] And I'm sure it can be helpful for some people. But from my perspective, it's really much simpler than that. To start this process of awakening and consciousness expansion is simply to redefine who you are, to put down the labels of your sex, your color, your religion, your life story, your income bracket, put those aside because they're not you, they're what you are experiencing. And what this cult has done is to manipulate the population to self-identify the I with what they're experiencing instead of the I, which is having the experience, which is different.

[00:31:32] And so, what they want us to do, because all these groups have labels that we give, and then we give ourselves are all the creative elements of the bubble. What they want people to do is to go into smaller and smaller bubbles of perception, because that will be smaller and smaller feedback loops with experience, and creative potential, and possibility, and manifestations of potential and possibility. So, notice what they're doing. The I or the perceived I, the labeled I, what I call fence himself, is now being constantly subdivided, and subdivided, and subdivided.

[00:32:15] And this list of letters, self-identity letters, LBGT or all those that go after it are getting longer, and longer, and longer. And people now are self-identifying the I even with their personal micro-sexuality. Okay. You are gay. All right. And? It's just an experience. It's a very limited experience in terms of what we call time because in terms of how long we're here in the human form is just ridiculously short. And I speak as someone who's just turned 68. I know how quickly it passes.

[00:33:07] So, you're gay. So, you're a transgender. Well, okay, but it's just an experience. You who is transgender, and you who is gay, and you who is any other sexuality, you're all points of attention of the same consciousness. We're all each other. And what happens, this is what the cult wants to do, is to get us to focus and self-identify the I with an experience, and then the potential to divide and rule people on the basis of their self-identity is endless. 

[00:33:50] I mean, look at this thing now. We now have feminists in conflict with transgender people. It's ridiculous. I am you, you are me. What are you doing? But that's what happens when you self-identify with labels instead of seeing them as an experience, and you as the observer and experiencer. And so, when you come from that perspective, for instance, I don't see people by their labels. I see them as experiencing what those labels represent. But I see them as consciousness, the same consciousness as me having different experiences.

[00:34:40] And then, you can have the diversity of experience, which is lovely, but you don't have the conflict between the diversity of experience because you realize that in the end, we're all each other, which makes racism rather stupid, rather ridiculous. And I see racism, I see it in this whole woke arena that you have to be white to be racist, you don't. Racism is a state of perceiving labels, racial labels as the I. And lots of different racial labels can be racist from that perspective. 

[00:35:35] And so, you play racist off against each other. You have racial conflict. You have discrimination on the basis of race and all this idiocy when if we just come back, I am all is, has been, and ever can be having an experience called this race or this life story, and you with a different label, a different race, a different life story are another aspect of that same consciousness that we all are. And the conflict sort of dilutes because why am I fighting another aspect of me? Why am I trying to get up the greasy pole, and kicking, and cussing another aspect of me to get there? It makes no sense from this point of view. Makes every sense from this point of view. And that's why this whole cult manipulation is to keep us in a state of believing that labels are who we are. 

[00:36:45]Luke Storey:  I think this is so key, I mean, for a number of reasons. And there's a thousand different directions I could shoot off interpreting it. In the interest of time and wanting to frame something that I think would be really useful for those that are familiar with your work, perhaps not this part of it, and those that are unfamiliar, is that I sense and in my own experience as I watch what from one perspective could be the crumbling of the worldwide civilization in the most negative sense, which is obviously being done, from my perspective, deliberately by those that seem to or perceived that they have the ability to do so. 

[00:37:24] In this awareness from the observer self that, as you said, can be accessed. It's just a moment you realize you're not your body, your name, your identity, et cetera, or through various forms of meditation, or plant medicines, or anything that puts you out into the field in that state of observing. It's my coping mechanism to not be sucked into the fear that, oh, my God, they're coming for me, it's the new world order, I'm going to die, and they're chem-trailing me to death every day, and all of this, knowing that I'm not this body, as you said, that this is just the short experience and also finding the sort of, I don't want to say detached, because that would imply not caring what happens to myself or anyone else, but an ability to observe the whole melodrama and theater of the current human experiences with the duality that's inherent to this experience.

[00:38:17] You have these evil overlords that you referred to as the cult. And we can get into that. And then, you have the rest of us that are conscientious, caring, empathetic, compassionate, loving people with all of our folly, but we seek to awaken and to produce a positive net effect in our life experience. In that awareness seems to be the way that we can avoid the fear and be less controllable, as you indicated. And where I often find this difficult is because it pisses me off that people are being harmed and that I could potentially be harmed. 

[00:38:54] And it's like I also know that using fear and anger as an emotional standpoint to produce change is ineffective because then, you're hitting force with force. Wherein, the real power, as you indicated, is really in that heart-centered knowingness of who and what you are. So, it's like, how can we affect change, and spread awareness, and become, aware at, sometimes, shocking levels of how things really work without succumbing to that fear or just hopelessness of like, God, how are we ever going to overcome this behemoth?

[00:39:27] And I've observed in your work that while you do get seemingly pretty pissed off at the powers that be, and you stand up for yourself, and stand up for humanity as a whole, you also, at times, seem to take it all with a grain of salt. And I think perhaps that's an important part of this conversation, is that we can be effective, and produce change, and spread awareness about these while still maintaining the world is a loose garment, so to speak. And I just kind of play with the balance of that, like how much work do I do? How hard do I fight? And in what way do I fight? And I think you've just illustrated that beautifully. I'd like to-

[00:40:05]David Icke:  I think a big thing is you don't fight.

[00:40:08]Luke Storey:  Okay. Yeah. There you go.

[00:40:09]David Icke:  I have this phrase I've used for years, what you fight, you become. And you see this all the time, you see this in anti-hate groups that walk around with hatred on their face and hatred in their intent. So, I mean, whenever I see an anti-hate group, I see an inversion, I see a hate group. And instead of saying anti-hate, what we know is they're never pro-love groups, are they? They're anti-hate groups. And anti-hate is not love. It's another form of hate. You see that all the time.

[00:40:52] And so, it's about, how do I achieve this end? And I've been doing this for 30 years and I've been through the different experiences. I've talked to people who've been horrifically treated as kids, and it has an emotional impact upon you. Of course, it does. But as you expand your awareness, you go above that because you have empathy with what has happened. But it's important not to get pulled into it yourself because it drains your energy. And it pulls you down, it pulls your frequency down. 

[00:41:45] Because you're so horrified by what's happened, you have such feeling of empathy for who it's happened to. And it can pull you in and it can pull you down. So, my approach for quite a time now is just, I need to do what I need to do. And that's to stay in a high-vibrational consciousness state and not get pulled into it. So, you can experience things which would have pulled you down but no longer do. So, if I'd have experienced being banned from everything 10, 20 years ago, I would have responded to it in a much more down way than I have. 

[00:42:38] To me, now, well, okay, we'll deal with it. And it's just confirming that they're terrified of me and what I'm saying, which shows where the power dynamic lies. So, okay. Let's go on from here and we'll do it another way. And it means that you don't get pulled into low vibrational states like that. You stay in a way that you constantly move forward and you can achieve things with this vibrational consciousness state, far more than being pulled in and basically becoming the vibration that you want to change.

[00:43:32]Luke Storey:  Again, I'm playing with time here and there's a couple of things I definitely want to cover, but I did want to just elaborate on the framework of your perspective of consciousness because it makes sense to me and it's aligned with what has served me. I want to dip a little bit into what I think is difficult for some people to swallow even though they're at a point where they realize, huh, what I'm being told you're, on an intuitive level, doesn't match up with my heart-centered truth meter. When you refer to this cult, if you could briefly describe. And I know it's difficult to summarize something that's so vast and has been around so long, but perhaps, even point people to other places on your site or other research you've done where this is all laid out.

[00:44:18] Because I, as someone, again, who's watched, I don't know, hundreds of hours of your lectures on the royal bloodlines, and all of the secret societies, and all of the symbolism, and the history of it, which is not even your opinion. But just, it's just historical fact of the matter. I think that people have a difficult time understanding what this cult is that you speak of. And if you could perhaps just lay that out, and then we can take an overview of the plan that's being implemented through the system being rolled out now, which, of course, has been in the works for a long, long time.

[00:44:55]David Icke:  Yeah, like I say, I've been doing this for 30 years, and I've be doing it full time for 30 years. And most of the time, it's been as it is now. I do it seven days a week. Very few days I'm not on it. And that's what it takes to uncover this because it is such a web. But in the end, the more you know, they say, the more you know there is to know. Yeah, there is truth in that. But the more you know, also in terms of this arena, the simpler it gets.

[00:45:35] And so, as the years have passed up to present time, I've been able to describe this whole apparently complex web in very simple terms, because in the end, it is simple. If it was too complex, it couldn't work. And one of the things that just scrambles people's minds is that they think that to uncover the truth of things, it has to be complex. It doesn't. Genius is not understanding complexity. It's seeing the simple and that hidden by complexity, which is a different thing.

[00:46:14] And so, in the simplest of terms, a long time ago in what we call time, what we perceive as time, this world was infiltrated by a non-human force. And this is described in ancient cultures all around the world. They have different names for this force and different names for these gods. And because of that, people think, oh, they're talking about these gods and they're talking about these gods, and they're talking about these guys, well, actually, if you look at it, I have over a long period of time, they're actually describing the same things.

[00:47:02] They're different names, but the same force. They're all describing this force that infiltrate human society. The Gnostic people, the Gnostic belief system called them are icons. The Islamic and pre-Islamic belief system calls them Jin. Christianity calls them demons, and so on, and so forth all the way around the world. I've talked to different carriers of ancient knowledge around the works because I've been up into 60 odd countries or more.

[00:47:35] And you realize they're actually all describing the same thing. And this infiltration force in its prime form is a distorted state of consciousness. Forget bodies, forget form, it's distorted state of consciousness. And it's so distorted that it wants to have power over everything. And because of its distortion, it is super evil. And I'll give you my definition of evil, the absence of love. And if you look at the definition of psychopath, there's a list of traits, they're known as the Hare test, named after the man who devised them. 

[00:48:30] And their list of traits that if you have enough of them, you are officially considered psychopath. And right at the top of that list is no empathy, lack of empathy, no ability to put yourself in the feelings and experience of those you are affecting. So, if you have no empathy, which is what I call the failsafe mechanism of human behavior, then there are no limits because you have no emotional consequence no matter what you do.

[00:48:59] And so, we're dealing with super psychopaths. Now, they operate outside of the human frequency band. And they manipulate in our frequency world via a network of secret societies and interbreeding bloodlines. These interbreeding bloodlines, at particular, well, we would call it genetic types, but it's really information fields. They are particular information fields, which is what the body is. It's an information field. But there's our joule information fields.

[00:49:40] They're like hybrid information fields. Part of that hybrid field manifests as human and other parts of that hybrid field manifest as human and manifest as something that is not human. But overwhelmingly, of course, in the public arena, these bloodlines are manifesting their human field. And thus, they appear to be human like everyone else, but they're not. I say, the more I understand this, that they're actually a form of AI, form of artificial intelligence, which makes them very clever, like a computer is very clever in what it can do, but it's got no empathy.

[00:50:21] You type data into a computer, so the computer will do something. What it does might be horrific or horrible in relation to the people who are affected by it. But the computer has got no empathy because it's AI basically, it's artificial intelligence. So, it just does what it's prompted to do. It doesn't question it. Well, what about the effect on—doesn't just question it. And these bloodlines are like that. That's why they act as they do with absolutely no empathy of what they're doing. 

[00:50:55] Now, destroying human livelihoods and lives with this lockdown because they have no empathy, they have no emotional consequence. And the theme in the Bible of the sons of God who interbred with daughters of men, and the whole hybrid Nephilim is repeated again in Asian cultures all around the world. Again, they have different names for these bloodlines and these infiltrators, but they're describing the same force. If you look at how the Gnostics describe the icons, as they call them, and how the Islamic believers described Jin, I mean, they're the same.

[00:51:47] And so, you've got these interbreeding bloodlines and they manifested in the ancient world as royalty and aristocracy, the blue bloods, they call them blue bloods. And these loyal and aristocratic bloodlines claim the divine right to rule. And because people have got caught in relating God to the Christian God, the divine right to rule of royalty is being considered to be the divine right of the Christian God. I should not talk about the Christian God at all. They're talking about the gods, plural.

[00:52:32] And like the emperors in Ancient China used to claim the right to be emperor because of their descendants from the serpent gods, as they called it. And so, what you have is a situation where you've got this force, which in its prime form is just a distorted state of consciousness. And within our reality, there are bloodlines, interbreeding bloodlines. This is why royalty, and aristocracy, and the eastern establishment families of the United States, on, and on, and on, have always incessantly interbred with each other because they are holding this particular, what we would call, genetic code.

[00:53:14] But actually, it's an information field. It's a software program, if you like. If you want to put it into that analogy. And they are there to represent the interests of this force operating outside of human sight, human frequency band. And so, the structure through which the world is controlled and through how this pandemic hoax has been played, by the way, you can understand how it's being played out and be made possible when you understand the structure.

[00:53:44] So, at the center, you imagine a web, spider's web, center is the spider, and that spider is the non-human force. And then, the strands of the web immediately around the spider, they're the most exclusive secret societies. And they're the ones that are big time in the know of the whole picture, basically. And then, as you come out from the spider in the web, still in the hidden, you then start hitting the secret societies that we do know about, but don't know what goes on within them.

[00:54:19] The Knights Templar, the Opus Dei, the inner core of the Jesuit Order, the Freemasons, the Knights of Malta, and so on. And then, you reach a point in the web, I call it the cusp. And this is where the hidden meets the scene. And at that cusp are semi-secret organizations and organizations to an extent that we see in the public arena, but most people never heard of. It's like the Council on Foreign Relations in America, the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, and so on. 

[00:54:55] They are known about, some more than others, but most people would not have heard of them. And what they do is certainly unknown to most people who haven't researched it. And these cusp organizations take the agenda for the world from the spider ultimately, which is played out through the secret society in the hidden part of the web. And they start to play it out into the seen part of the web, where we are, which is playing out through government, through government agencies, through the banking systems, through the major corporations, through the major media, and so on and so forth. 

[00:55:40] And so, in the scene, there appears to be Silicon Valley corporations. There appears to be a World Health Organization. There appears to be governments of countries. There appears to be different banks, different major banks, different media operations. And to the public, these are all kind of unconnected kind of random organizations. But when you realize how the web works, the Silicon Valley corporations attach to the Web, I mean, at the inner core level, not the vast majority.

[00:56:23] The banks connect to the web. The World Health Organization connects to the web. Governments connect to the web. Government agencies connect to the web. The mainstream media connect to the web. All at the inner core level. Most people involved have no idea there even is a web. But what it means is that all these different things that appear to be happening randomly are actually coordinated. And basically, it works like a transnational corporation this way.

[00:56:53] If you think about a transnational corporation, a McDonald's, say, McDonald's, and you have a headquarters somewhere in the world. And then, in each country, you have subsidiaries of the headquarters who behave in line with what headquarters say must happen. So, you go into a McDonald's in one country, just might as well be going into McDonald's in another country because it's the same, same brand, same nature, because it's centrally dictated. This web works like that. You've got the core, which is in the shadows.

[00:57:29] And then, in the different countries, you have subsidiary networks of the web. And their job in each country is to control that country's politics, to control its medical system on behalf of the pharmaceutical cartel, which is, again, another aspect of this cult, where it controls the major corporations, owns the major media, and controls the banking, and financial system, and so on. And their job is by controlling those things in that country, they impose the will of the centrally dictated headquarters, if you like.

[00:58:12] And thus, as I've traveled around the world over these years, I keep seeing the same things happening in different countries around the same time, justified by the same excuses because it's essentially dictated. So, if you take this pandemic. It started in China. Well, they call it a pandemic. World Health Organization called it a pandemic. I may differ on that, and if we get into the detail. But it started in China. Things you remember about China, as what I've been saying for decades, is if you want to see the West tomorrow, then look at China today.

[00:58:54] China is a major global center of this web, this spider. And it has been incubating through this period of, say, fascistic, communistic, whatever you want to call it, dictatorship. It's been incubating the system they want for the world. So, in the West, up to this point, no longer, obviously. But up to this point, they've had to pay lip service to freedom of democracy. And so, they've been able only to move the draconian, Orwellian control system slower than China. China doesn't have to move it slow at all. It's a dictatorship.

[00:59:36] This is going to happen, do it. It happens. So, they have been able to incubate this global system, what they want for the globe, this technocratic, 24/7 surveillance, centrally-imposed system. And it's sitting there. And what they want to do now is to play it out across the world. And it's a simple question. What has the West become far more like in the last two months? China. Where do they want to take it even deeper in these coming weeks and months? Deeper into what China is. So, this was started in China.

[00:59:37]Luke Storey:  That's terrifying. Yeah. Carry on.

[00:59:37]David Icke:  But it started in China. And if you look at it, this was the plan that the draconian lockdown response of China to what was alleged to be a virus, they've never showed it is a virus, they've never isolated it, and they're testing for the virus with a test that doesn't test for the virus. I mean, look at some of my other interviews that are around on this in recent months, and it's an extraordinary story. They're actually testing for COVID-19 officially, but the test, PCR test, doesn't test for COVID-19. 

[01:01:05] It tests for genetic material that many, many people have in their body. That's why so many people test positive for it. And they're not getting immunity for it because there's nothing to get immunity about because they're not being tested for COVID-19. So, if I test you and you test positive for this genetic material, which I'm calling a test for COVID-19, if you isolate 14 days, as they say, and then I test you again, you're going to test positive again. Why?

[01:01:34] Because you've still got the same genetic material you did 14 days before. Nothing to do with the virus. These numbers are just lunacy. So, I won't go to it now, but I have in detail in other interviews, but yeah, I can come back and do this bit in detail. But the key to this whole sequence is played out was that the draconian lockdown in China to fight the virus had to become the blueprint for the West. So, immediately, that happened. 

[01:02:11] And the figures very pretty quickly began to fall in China, and there were reasons for that because it's not about a virus. It's about how you diagnose the virus and what you put on the death certificate, which is different to what they actually die of. Wuhan is a place of notoriously toxic air. Massive amounts of respiratory problems and of pneumonia, et cetera. And all they were doing was re-diagnosing these things that were normally happening COVID-19. 

[01:02:45] Suddenly, you've got a pandemic simply by re-diagnosis. Anyway, what happened then is that Tedros, the deeply corrupt Ethiopian director general of the World Health Organization, which is owned by Bill Gates, second biggest funder, second only to the United States, he'd probably be the biggest funder if Trump carries out his threat to stop funding it on the same level. Anyway, Ted Ross comes out, the way China dealt with this has to be the new way that we deal with pandemics, and this pandemic if it comes to the West.

[01:03:23] And of course, they knew it was coming to the West because they were going to do the same thing they did in China, which was to take respiratory problems that were normally happening. And they were going to call them COVID-19. They were going to put on the death certificate, COVID-19 for people that died of heart attacks, died of cancer, died of falling down the bloody stairs. Doctors have come out and said this. In America, there is even a financial incentive where they pay hospitals through Medicare $4,600 if they diagnose someone regular pneumonia, $13,000 if they designate the same patient COVID-19 pneumonia, and $39,000 if they put a COVID pneumonia-diagnosed patient onto a ventilator.

[01:04:14] So, everywhere you look, there's enormous supporting evidence for this around the world, not least for medical professionals, that they're fixing the death certificates to seem as if it's COVID-19 when it's not. Now, in Scotland, just one example, it's actually the law, the regulation that if someone tests positive for COVID-19 with this PCR test that's not testing for COVID-19 but this genetic material, then if they die of anything within 28 days, COVID-19 has to go on the death certificate.

[01:04:45] So, it was a scam. And what they needed to do was take the Chinese blueprint and impose it on the West because the idea was to lock down the economy and destroy the independent livelihoods of vast numbers of population to make them dependent on the state. And dependency is, of course, control. And if you're going to do that, you have to destroy independent livelihoods, so they become dependent on you and not independent of you.

[01:05:14] And that's what's happened to vast numbers of people as a result of this lockdown. It was all coldly calculated. Why? Because these people are psychopaths, and have no empathy, and thus, had no emotional consequence for the horrors that they'd caused an all the death that they're causing from lockdowns with people not being diagnosed with things that they normally would because the hospitals, they won't go to the hospital, and not being treated, et cetera, et cetera.

[01:05:41] So, the number of people who are going to die from the lockdown is just enormous. And we're focusing on this COVID-19. So, even then, China is still a long way away, it's still a different culture. You're not really going to necessarily grip the perceptions of the population. What you need is something that they can—I'm talking in the West. What you need is something you can get them to identify with, which like they are. So, what they chose was Italy. 

[01:06:19] And the particular area they chose was northern Italy, an area known as Lombardy, which just by coincidence, nothing to worry about, is another Wuhan in the sense that it's notorious for its toxic air and its considerable prevalence of respiratory disease and pneumonia because of that. And they started re-designating the whole story again. And the Italian authorities have even come out after the die was cast and said, actually, the word they use, we have been rather generous on designating COVID-19 on death certificates.

[01:07:00] But anyway, the way it was reported in the media, was, look, this has happened in Italy. This is the West. This is coming to you next. And just at the right time, because the death numbers weren't being generated in other Western countries, too, and in other parts of Italy, come to that, but they weren't being generated in other Western countries to justify the lockdown. So, along came a guy called Professor Neil Ferguson from the Imperial College in London, who is a computer modeler, one with a history of being dramatically wrong many times.

[01:07:47] And he comes out with these projections. And you talk to people who do computer modeling, and they'll tell you, it's the easiest thing in the world to manipulate because what the computer model brings out as a projection is dependent on the data you've put in the other end. So, he came out with these projections that up to half-a-million people could die of this in Britain, and also, up to two million people in America. 

[01:08:19] And he did it for other countries as well. And the American lockdowns, and the British lockdowns, and other lockdowns were justified by these projections, which have turned out to, of course, be spectacularly wrong, as anyone without the brain cell could have said from the start. But they've got the lockdown there. And then, Ferguson rolls back his projection of number of deaths dramatically, but it didn't matter because the lockdown is in. And so, the livelihoods are being destroyed, which is exactly what it was all about.

[01:08:53] This whole pandemic is about three major things and lots of things that are knocked on from that. One, destroy the livelihoods of the population so that they become dependent on the state and under the control of the state. In other words, the cult that controls the state. Two, to justify on protecting health, the creation of a Chinese-like tracking system in real time, 24/7. This is the contact tracing thing that's being started now through people like Apple and Google, both cult companies.

[01:09:32] And the third one was and is to get the entire global population vaccinated with a vaccine, which is being produced by Bill Gates. Bill Gates who owns and controls the World Health Organization, who speaks through Tedros and Bill Gates who's been trying to vaccinate the world for a long time. And this peddler of software is now running the world health policy. And in that vaccine is designed to be stuff that is horrific for humanity, at least nanotechnology, for reasons that I will explain and have explained elsewhere in detail.

[01:10:29] So, this is what the whole thing was about. And so, if your story that you're selling is full of holes and easy to expose, and it is, then the only way you're going to defend it and keep it in tact in terms of public perception, seeing it's just credible is to censor hysterically anybody who is uncovering and exposing it. And that's why they've gone for me and other people that have exposed this stuff because it's the only way that their narrative can survive because it's a pack of lies. 

[01:11:10] So, for instance, when two doctors in California come out, practicing doctors who were filmed by local mainstream television station in Bakersfield, and they were talking about the fact that the numbers of people dying from this. It makes no sense in terms of having lockdowns. They were talking about the chances of dying from COVID-19. I say that, nil, because it doesn't exist. That's my research. But anyway, and that's not just coming from me. That has gone through doctors who has come to the same conclusion.

[01:11:53] But they were saying that the chances of dying from COVID-19 in California about North point, north 3%. In New York, is north point 1%. This is ridiculous to lock down a country. So, they're pointing this out. They're also pointing out that they are being pressured to put COVID-19 on death certificates when the death has nothing to do with it, and lots of other things. So, what YouTube did, because if they have got 20,000, 30,000, okay, it's not too bad, leave it up.

[01:12:26] But it got five million in a matter of days, and YouTube pulled it. And YouTube pulled it for no other reason than it was demolishing the official story. And why did YouTube pull it? Because we go back to the Web. The web owns the World Health Organization, which is putting out the narrative, and it owns Google, and Google owns YouTube, and it owns Facebook and so on. And therefore, what YouTube, Google, and Facebook have said publicly is we are going to delete any videos or posts that are at odds with the World Health Organization narrative.

[01:13:12] So, you've got one arm of the cult in the web, the World Health Organization, producing the narrative, the nonsense we're asked to believe. And then, you've got the cult, Facebook, YouTube, Google, et cetera, deleting and censoring people who are exposing the WHO narrative. This is how the web works. And they had to go, this is not these major corporations saying, we're so powerful, we're going to delete you and delete you for the sake of it. They've got no choice. Their narrative is so ridiculous, and full of holes, and so easy to dismantle. But the only way they're going to make it survive is by historical levels of censorship, which is what we have. 

[01:14:06]Luke Storey:  Yeah. I recently interviewed Dr. Rashid Buttar. And before the film, Plandemic, came out, I just called the name of the episode Plandemic and YouTube yanked the video, I'm assuming because it was flagged with that word. So, I've since started phonetically spelling anything like 5G, COVID, Plandemic to get by the bots. And so far, so good. But that's a really powerful and I think easy-to-understand overview of a really complex issue.

[01:14:38] And I think the difficulty that many people have is understanding at the core of that structure at the center of the web, as you call it, that the entities in control lack empathy. And I think this is the cognitive dissonance and the Stockholm syndrome, where you try to explain this to your average person, how Bill Gates is this eugenicist that is on such a mad power trip that he wants to control the world population by essentially poisoning everyone with vaccines.

[01:15:10] They can't possibly imagine someone being that diabolical and lacking empathy because there is a real human with a heart that has empathy and can't imagine the point of view, why would anyone want to do that? Why would you want to harm billions of people or take away their livelihood, as you indicated? And I think that that really is the crux of people's lack of ability to consider some of these ideas, is because they're not evil. And if you're not evil, it's difficult to put yourself in the mindset of those that are. 

[01:15:40]David Icke:  Yeah, that's absolutely right. It's very difficult. And I completely understand. For people that have not had experience of this, almost unimaginable level of evil [absence of blood] to contemplate that it can even exist. But of course, I've been doing this for 30 years and I've come across it constantly, so I know it exists. And what I've learned to do is to think like it does. Not in my everyday life, but when I'm working out what they're doing, you go into their minds and you can think like they do.

[01:16:28] And in thinking like they do, you can understand what they're doing and why they're doing it is more obvious, but how they're doing it and how their thinking works because I've said a number of times recently, evil is incredibly predictable. Fascism is incredibly predictable, really predictable. But if you get into these people's minds, they're becoming, that you see that they're incredibly predictable. And so, if you look at Bill Gates, I would just say, when this interview is over, just go to look at some footage of Bill Gates.

[01:17:06] Look at his eyes. There's no life. There's no life. There's no soul in those eyes. And on the rare occasion, it seems to me a rare occasion, he actually smiles with his mouth. His eyes never smile. It's autonomous-like, it's AI-like. And you've got to just look at Gates and consider that he has pressed, well, pressed on behalf of the cult, through the World Health Organization, and I mean, the financial connections between government advisers on this virus policy and Gates are phenomenal, including Fauci and Birx around Trump, and people around Boris Johnson in Britain, I mean, have massive financial connections to Bill Gates.

[01:18:07] So, he's been pulling these strings to get the lockdowns. And he wants the lockdowns because he knows it will destroy livelihoods, which is creating this control. And the other part of it is and all the surveillance that will be justified is being justified by it, but also, you'll hear this mantra all the time because this is just a big psychological game. So, they said at the start, part of the psychological game is give them a bit. 

[01:18:45] And then, when you get there, give them another bit. I'll tell you what I mean by that. You say it first we've got a lockdown. And we've got a lockdown until the curve flattens. Remember all that? And so, the curve flattens. Oh, no. No, we can't come out of lockdown because what—we can't come out of lockdown now, because not until there is a vaccine or a cure. Oh, hold on a minute. What happened to flattening the bloody curve?

[01:19:16] Now, we can't come out of it fully until there's a vaccine. And Gates comes out with an arrogance that is just, well, breathtaking, speechless natures of arrogance, and says, the humanity cannot go back to normalcy until the entire population is vaccinated. Now, the level of arrogance he takes to do that is staggering, but also, the level of empathy deletion it takes to do that.

[01:19:53] You know you're destroying the lives of billions of people and creating economic Armageddon, you know the health and death consequences of doing that, but you do it anyway because you simply want what you want, which is to have humanity under dependency control, under surveillance control, and everyone subjected to a vaccine. Now, I would just ask people just to contemplate the level of pure, undiluted evil, absence of love and lack of empathy it takes for Gates to do that. And if you contemplate it a bit, you'll get some feeling for the level of pure evil that is manipulating human society. Because anyone with a smear of empathy, compassion could never even contemplate doing what he's done and is doing.

[01:21:02]Luke Storey:  Excellently stated. And I just want to make people aware that the doctors that you're referring to and the historical precedents of Gates and where they come from, what their motives are, and the conflicts of interest financially and otherwise are readily available on your website, people that you've interviewed, featured, and also, in a couple that I've put out as well. It's like the information is there if you look. And I know people are going to hear this and go, but wait, what about, but what about, it's all there. I mean, the stuff that you've been doing on London Real is so extensive and those long-form conversations have been really helping me and many other people.

[01:21:40]David Icke:  That's why the Silicon Valley want it taken down. I did one interview and within minutes of the live stream, they pulled it. Facebook pulled it after it got a million hits. Minutes after the live stream ended of the interview, already, 300,000 were watching the recording. And they pulled it because it was devastating. It was devastating information for the official narrative, and thus, it had to go. And so, that's what it's about. These people are not as powerful as they want us to believe.

[01:22:23] Their power is the power we give them. I will give them none of mine. And if others do the same, then they have no power. If someone comes out of the White House to Downing Street or somewhere, and says, we've got a discussion and we're going to do this, what happens if enough of the population say, we're not doing it? They have no power. Their power is, oh, I don't like it, but we better do it. It's little, and I said so, the authorities.

[01:22:55]Luke Storey:  I think that that's the really important thing for people to understand here. If you just look at the sheer power of numbers, the amount of civilians in the world at the level that we are at presently versus that power structure at the top. I mean, you have thousands of people versus millions, billions of people that are under the control just because of their perception to be under control and the fear that's so ingrained in us to speak out, and to act out, and to defy that. I mean, just take income tax for example, which isn't even legal, it's all the conversation, if enough people United States went, we're not doing it, then it would cease to exist. But because only a few try and they're punished, then, of course, the rest of the sheep in line and-

[01:23:42]David Icke:  We've got a situation in Britain where the police, would have batted around the world, but certainly, in Britain, the police have, now, started apologizing for finding people and imposing on people's lives on the basis of what were government recommendations. So, if the government recommends you do this, the government's recommending you do this. Okay. Well, I will choose if I do it then. But what the police have been doing is imposing those recommendations as if they're laws, and they're not laws, they're never passed. 

[01:24:24] So, now, they're having to give fines back to people because they've been imposing laws that weren't laws at all. They were just recommendations from some dark suit, and that's all they were. But if people get informed and not just accept what they're told, then that could have been challenged much earlier. What do you mean? Are you trying to impose a recommendation? Show me the law. Show me the law that you say and recommend to impose, and they wouldn't be able to, so they won't be able to impose it.

[01:24:58] And we've got to get informed. And that means looking elsewhere to other angles and other ways of looking at a situation that are not from mainstream sources. The mainstream media globally has done nothing but repeat the World Health Organization narrative, have not done anything else. It's all it's done. We have the BBC here. It's a government department. It's just a propaganda arm of government. They never have anyone on challenging it.

[01:25:40] All the abuse that's been thrown at me, and all the controversy, and all the fear, worry about being banned from this, banned from that, attacked this, has been in the mainstream media, well, this is what Icke has done, this is what Icke has done, well, yeah, not one single mainstream media outlet of any kind in this entire period has even asked me for a comment, let alone had me on to debate, what I'm saying. Not one, because they are terrified, well, the people that control them are terrified, they're just pawns in a game that I understand. They're terrified of anyone hearing anything that is at odds with the mainstream narrative because, again, I repeat, the mainstream narrative is a pack of bloody, provable, easily unrattlerable, just invented a word, lies. And so, censorship is all they can do to defend it. 

[01:26:43]Luke Storey:  I know that we're getting close to the end of our time here, and there are a couple short burning questions that I wanted to ask you before you wrap up. And this one has come with immense popularity from my listeners. And they want to know and I want to know in your opinion, and I know you've been critical of Donald Trump, but because he's been so outspokenly opposed, and seemingly such an outsider, and has done, in my opinion, what's really positive in the sense of pointing out the falsehoods inherent to most mainstream media outlets. Is he part of the bloodlines, and this cult, and the Cabal that's behind all of this or is he truly an outsider?

[01:27:28]David Icke:  No. He's a big-time insider. If you look at his history, he comes from an insider family. And so, I say this, don't judge people by their words, but by their actions. So, I'll give you an example. Elon Musk. 

[01:27:52]Luke Storey:  That was my next one, too.

[01:27:53]David Icke:  Elon Musk comes out and he says, AI could be the end of humanity. True. It's meant to be. And then, starts a company called Neuralink to connect the human brain to computers. So, I hear the words, Elon, and then I see the action. He's come out recently talking about lockdowns and it seems in support of coming out of lockdown. But during the lockdown, and before, and continuing afterwards, Elon Musk's SpaceX is putting up satellites in low orbits to beam 5G and other sources of Wi-Fi at the planet to create what is absolutely vital to this AI takeover, which is having what the Google executive, Ray Kurzweil, calls the cloud covering every inch of the planet.

[01:28:53] So, to do that, you can only do it from space to cover every inch of the planet. And with a few hundred that he's put up so far or could even be less than that, the astronomical community is already complaining that they can't see the night sky like they did before, and that it's obscuring the night sky and their astronomy. And Musk has permission already from the cult-owned Federal Communications Commission, which is why 5G has been played out without any testing. 

[01:29:41] He's got permission to put thousands of those satellites up, and his goal is to have 42,000 of those satellites in orbit beaming this stuff at the planet. Now, don't tell me, Mr. Musk, that you care about human freedom when you are facilitating human mega, unthinkable levels of control, which is dependent upon the cloud that you are creating from space being put in place. And so, I look at Trump, who is owned by Israel? Livestock and barrels, well, Israel has got everything he wants virtually since he became president.

[01:30:33] And I look at him talking about this virus, and then I still see Birx and Fauci with their big financial connections to Bill Gates turning up at the press conferences. If he was going to do actions and not just words, that have been long gone. And he's then talking about, as he came out this week, using the military to circulate the vaccine. Now, if he's an outsider and he knows anything at all, then he'll realize that this vaccine is part of a process which has very, very sinister ulterior motives.

[01:31:38] I mean, you don't have to look too far out of the mainstream to pick up that there is an agenda here to vaccinate the entire human population for a virus that even if you believe it exists, is negligible in its effects on the vast, overwhelming majority of people. And I say it doesn't exist at all in the form that we're being told. And yet, instead of challenging that, he's saying, I'm going to deploy the military to circulate the vaccine so everyone can be vaccinated.

[01:32:16] So, again, I hear the words, but I don't see the actions that reflect the words. And you don't get elected by telling your natural constituency what it doesn't want to hear, you get elected by telling it what it does want to hear. And there has been a gathering, disaffected, ever increasing percentage of the population in America, and in Britain, and elsewhere, we saw its manifestations through Brexit, would shock the system, that have been disenfranchised for decades, really, because they were not looked after or thought about by the Democratic Party and neither were they being supported by the Republican Party.

[01:33:30] Because the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, if you go one step back, are controlled by the same force. So, along comes Trump because this cult is nothing if not extremely skilled in manipulating human psychology, as the old foundation of what it does. So, along comes Trump and he has this big potential, disaffected group of people, which can get him elected. And he speaks their language. And I was saying at the time, during the election campaign, this guy is not what he seems to be, but I understand why lots of people went for it because we come back.

[01:34:20] If I tell people what they don't want to hear, they're less likely to believe it. If I tell them what they do want to hear, they're more likely to believe it and they're more likely to support me. And so, Trump spent the election campaign telling that massive group of disaffected people who felt no one represented them, and they didn't, what they wanted to hear. And he got in. But I hear the rhetoric, but I don't see the actions. And so, I think people have been had by Trump. And I think at some point, they will realize that. And you certainly don't get the actions with the words.

[01:35:05]Luke Storey:  Yeah, that's an astute observation. I think many people, even people that have been and continue to be critical of him for obvious reasons, he lacks decorum, to say the least, and the cognitive dissonance of like, wait, this boss isn't like the old boss, that people just exploded their heads about. But I think people that hold that kernel of faith that he might just be an outsider in this whole QAnon thing and all that, I think they're looking to him as a sort of father figure that's going to swoop in and save the day from the globalists when in-

[01:35:42]David Icke:  Nonsense. You know something, there were many benefits of having done this for 30 years. And one of them is you see the recurring patterns. And for all these decades, one of the recurring patterns has been under different names, that this group is working on the inside, and they're going to come out, and they're going to re-arrest the globalists. And it's been this name, and it's been that name, and have even given times when it's going to happen.

[01:36:16] And I sat there and I was shaking my head and I thought, been there, done that, seen it, got the T-shirt, ain't going to happen. And this is just another one. This transformation of human society, transformation into a free society from an increasingly unfree society is going to be done by the population coming together and working as one to a common end or at least, great numbers of them. It's not going to come top down. It's going to come population up.

[01:36:56] Because if I go back two-and-a-half decades, probably, I use this analogy, if you form a pyramid of people and the people on the shoulders of other people, when you go to the top, to the point, and there's someone sitting there, where's the power in that pyramid? Well, it is the bloke at the top, No, it's not. He's only up there because the rest of the pyramids holding him up there. If it wasn't, he'd be on the floor. And so, if you're looking to the top of the pyramid for a top-down change, you ain't going to get it.

[01:37:43] It's the realization that the power is not at the top. It's what we call at the bottom, but it's among the population. We are holding these people up, and we need to stop doing it, and then, it's game over. Simple as that. And that's where the transformation will come. And I remain optimistic despite current events, which should make me not optimistic, but I remain optimistic that this critical mass will come. And I think that to a large extent, recent events have increased that number in very considerable terms.

[01:38:29]Luke Storey:  Yeah. To me, the silver lining that you mentioned before is in the number of people that were on the periphery, and had no incentive to look further into the nature of reality and current events, and are now being forced to because they've been jostled awake in such a jarring way, that now, people are coming in and going, what does this guy, David Icke, say? And listening to podcasts like this where before, they're making money. They've got a home. They've got a family. They're living their life. They're not that affected by the changes within government policy, et cetera. And now, so many of us are being awakened. So, to me, it's a positive thing. And thank you for-

[01:39:12]David Icke:  Yeah. I said a long time ago that this has got to get really bad before the real awakening comes. And it's got to break the surface. You see, what's been happening, as I've been putting this information out over the years, is what's now on public display, this draconian control was operating from the shadows. And so, the control wasn't quite so obvious and people still perceived that they lived in a free country. But this force that has now put itself on public display was still controlling events, but from the shadows where you could see it.

[01:40:00] And so, when you are operating under the radar, you can get away with it because to most people, it's not happening or the fact that it's happening is just a concept, just a theory. But if you're going to transform society in the way that you want, I said this years ago, there has got to come a point where it has to break the surface where we can see it, and that's where we're at. And the shadow manipulation has to enter the world of the seen. Has to, otherwise, you're not going to get to the end that you want. So, we're now at that point and it has got really bad. And unless we focus ourselves on this, it's going to get a lot worse, but it doesn't have to. That's our choice because we are holding them up there, and it's time we walked away, and heard a bang behind us.

[01:41:09]Luke Storey:  I love that. My last question for you is one really fast one, what do you think of The Matrix films?

[01:41:15]David Icke:  I would think they're spot on.

[01:41:19]Luke Storey:  Okay. 

[01:41:19]David Icke:  Spot on in the sense of the theme. I mean, this is a whole big area. I mean, I've been writing for a long, long time now that we live in a simulation. When I started writing and talking about it, around the turn of the millennium, maybe just after. There was basically no one talking about it. There was a guy called Nick Bostrom at Oxford University who was contemplating this possibility, but there's hardly anybody else. But now, there's an increasing number of mainstream scientists have come out and they are convinced that we may well live in a form of simulation.

[01:42:01] I say it's a holographic simulation. It's what I've been saying for years. And Rich Terrile, a NASA scientist, came out, I think it was 2017, and said that he concluded that we live in a holographic digital simulation, and that's been my feeling for a long time. I've written it in books. And so, if we get into the nature of reality and how we manifest reality, which is basically like a computer reads Wi-Fi, a computer will lock into a Wi-Fi field of what? 

[01:42:47] Potentiality, information. And it will bring onto the screen what the computer is programmed to read from that field of possibility, probability, the Wi-Fi field,e going back to how we started here. And we decode that field, that the computer does, I've been calling since the 1990s, the body of biological computer. We read that field and we do it through the five senses. The five senses take wave-form information, think Wi-Fi. They turn it into electrical information, which they communicate to the brain. And the brain turns that electrical information into digital holographic information.

[01:43:33] So, the world that we think is outside of us, in the form that we experience it, is actually in here. And The Matrix movies symbolize that. If you notice the probe went into the back of the brain, the brain stem, that's where the reptilian brain is, and that lock them in to The Matrix. And The Matrix is a holographic, illusory world, which we believe is real. And this is the cutting edge of science where people do have a sense of wanting to discover instead of just singing from the song sheet, like most of them, are saying that we do actually live in a holographic reality. 

[01:44:26] And a holographic reality is illusory physical. It's not solid at all. This is why quantum physics has shown that the world actually at that quantum level is not solid. Well, it's not solid at any level. We just experience it like that. If you were a computer game character in a virtual reality computer game, you would experience that game as solid, even though it's just codes being decoded by that machine. And this world is just information in a wave-form, Wi-Fi-type form that we are decoding into this holographic reality, which only exists in this form, exists in its information form, in a wave-form level only exists in this form that we perceive as solid and physical in here.

[01:45:18] And that takes us deeper into why and how our perceptions create our reality because our perceptions are dictating how we decode that information into a physical experience. Our perceptions dictate that. So, going back to how we started. Little me will decode that. So, little-me holographic experience. And it will not decode from the Wi-Fi field big-me experiences because it doesn't perceive. They aren't ready for it.

[01:46:00]Luke Storey:  To what degree would that-

[01:46:03]David Icke:  Run to your consciousness and you create a different reality because you're allowing more of that field of possibility into your decoding processes unless you can decode an experience that is much more expansive than someone who thinks they're little me. And to control us, and thus, to control what we create as an experience in the holographic realm, they need to keep us in a sense of little me as much as they can, and I have no power, they've not managed it with me. And they're going to say that because I leave it there until their control is dramatically diminished.

[01:46:46]Luke Storey:  To what degree was that perspective of awareness assisted by your 2003 ayahuasca experiences? Was this something that you had tapped into before, or was it alluded to then, or your perception of it increased by that experience?

[01:47:06]David Icke:  Well, I tapped into it. At what level are you tapped into it? You tap into it on a level of, I feel this is how it is. And then, I did the ayahuasca experience, which is the only time I ever have over two days in a rainforest in Brazil. It's the only time I've taken psychoactive drugs. And for five hours on the second night, I went into an altered state. And some people have really bad experiences on ayahuasca by the way. I think it takes you the way you already are, but on another level.

[01:47:48] And a female voice, for me, too, spoke to me for five hours about the illusory nature of reality. It was extraordinary, extraordinary experience explaining that the world's an illusion, just like The Matrix movies. You never mention The Matrix movies, but that's what it was describing. That illusory reality we think is real. And I came back from Brazil and started researching the different disciplines of mainstream science, and especially, quantum physics. And I realized that they already knew that reality, physical reality was illusory, but most of the disciplines just cracked on and had to acknowledge quantum physics existed.

[01:48:39] But in the everyday discipline, cracked on as if it didn't exist, as if everything was real, and solid, and the rest of it. But if you connect the dots, even within mainstream science, the information is there to show that the world is not solid and supporting this whole holographic illusory reality I'm talking about. So, yes, it was an amazing experience. But the information has come from enormous different directions to sources over the years. And I've just fitted it together. And it's turning out to be extraordinarily accurate with the passage of time and events or what we call time. 

[01:49:24]Luke Storey:  Certainly. Well, in closing, Mr. David, I'm going to ask you my last question, and that is, who have been three teachers or teachings that have influenced your life that we might be able to go learn more from?

[01:49:36]David Icke:  I wouldn't say any. I would say an amalgamation of strands from enormous numbers of different sources. So, nobody in particular. No source in particular. But lots of them. And all have given me a little bit in the puzzle, and the trick is then to put that together with all the other little bits, and come to the conclusion of the whole. But this has been the filter. When I've come across information, people who have experienced it will understand what I'm saying, but this tells you what's right and what's not.

[01:50:35] I had a guy come up to me in America many years ago now and he was an insider who was someone who was on the inside or had been on the inside and was trying to do something about it, but he said to me, "You've quoted some disinformers in your books." I said, "Oh, yeah." He said, "But you've only quoted the bits that are true. How do you do that?" Because disinforming is not 100% wrong that you'd suss that quick. It's a lot of truth, and then they twist it to deceive you and take you off in another direction.

[01:51:19] So, you can get a lot of truth in disinformers as long as you know where the twist is coming. And I said to him, "Very simple. This tells me", and anyone can do it. I'm not here claiming to be some guru, anyone can do it. You can teach yourself. It's a feeling. It's a vibe. Yes. And move. And you can become really sensitive with it so that you can weave your way through the maze without keeping, going down cul-de-sacs, because if you're only coming from here, you go down the cul-de-sacs in the maze and come to a dead end.

[01:52:08] But if you go with this, you can weave your way through the blocks and the diversions, and find your way out. And this is the way home. And it's also the way to uncover what's going on in the world. If I'd only gone with this, especially the left side of this, then I'd be nowhere near have produced the information and the books that I have. This is the sensor, and not censorship, but the sensor that, for me, picks up what's genuine and what isn't.

[01:52:51]Luke Storey:  Excellent. And for those listening on audio only, when he's referring to this and this, he's referring to his head or heart, just for clarity for those that don't see it on video. Well, thank you for that. And I think that's a great way to sum up the episode and your framework of understanding. And I just appreciate the work that you're doing and the courage that it's taken to put out such contrarian points of view for so long and to withstand the degree of ridicule and condemnation from the powers that be and many that are less open-minded than the folks listening to this. So, appreciate the work you're doing and hope to continue observing and learning from it. And I'd like to send people to whatever websites or social media they can find more of your content.

[01:53:43]David Icke:  Well, I'm still on Twitter. Hanging on while we figure something else.

[01:53:47]Luke Storey:  You're right. You're on Instagram too. You still-

[01:53:51]David Icke:  Yeah, I have. Yeah. And the websites are davidicke.com, where there's news in context every day. The world in context as opposed to what the mainstream media will give you. At the moment, we've got a temporary main page. But if people go to the different UK news, US news, et cetera, they'll find loads of information because we're just in the process of moving to bells-and-whistles new website, which will be up in about a week or so with a lot more protection from attacks.

[01:54:30] And this Iconic, Ickonic is a media platform that we've created, my son, Jaymie has created in, I think started about November, and there's already one in excess of 700 videos on it being added to all the time. I do a 90-minute look at the week's news in context on it every Friday. And all my previous, throughout these 30 years, all my major presentations, some of them like 10 hours' long, are all on there. And we have series and documentaries.

[01:55:11] There's a documentary, going to come out pretty soon on Ickonic called Unnatural, which is all about the electromagnetic 5G and its impact upon society, and health, and psychology. And so, I'm delighted with the way it's turned out. Now, people can go to Ickonic and they can have a seven-day trial, just have a look for seven days and see what they think. And the vast majority, ridiculous majority, really, that do that, do sign up at davidicke.com. Just go there.

[01:55:49]Luke Storey:  Cool. Yeah. I really like the idea of what you're doing with Ickonic. And I think as we were discussing earlier, those that have the desire to create the content and those that consume it in a way that's unfiltered and unedited, that's going to grow and grow. And again, as we were saying earlier, the silver lining of this draconian censorship is that now, people that are somewhat awake, and savvy, and want freedom of information are going to build platforms, create platforms like you've done. So, I definitely-

[01:56:25]David Icke:  I mean, what happened at the time that one of my London Real interviews was pulled is that out of nowhere, Vimeo deleted the entire content of Ickonic, over 700 videos. Obviously, we had them backed up and we were like two weeks away from having our own player. So, we pulled that forward. We got our own player now, which is on Ickonic, which is independent of these giants. And Jaymie and the team, night and day, for about three days or so, literally night and day, put the videos back, which is what you have to do.

[01:57:06] And funny enough, the real reason that we started Ickonic in the first place was it was obvious where this was going. And so, we wanted our own platform with our own player, which we have now, that would be there no matter the level of censorship that we were going to be subjected to because it was obvious it was coming. And only a few months later, we're in a situation where we're there, where the major platforms have deleted us, but Ickonic is still there. Davidicke.com is still there.

[01:57:49] And I've got a book coming out which is coming out in August, and it's called The Answer. And it's, in detail, a lot of things that we talked about tonight, and much more, much, much more. And funny enough, 85% of it was written before the lockdowns, and the whole thing kicked in. And I've done chapters on this whole story, which is devastating in terms of the way it demolishes the official story.

[01:58:19] But it's amazing what the first 85% of the book said the plan was and where it's planned to go. The pandemic hoax has given them almost everything that they want. But it's called The Answer because there is an answer. And if I'd have chosen a time for this book to come out, again, synchronistically, I didn't choose it for this reason. But if I had chosen a time for it to come out, it will be when it's coming out, because it's absolutely when it's needed.

[01:58:55]Luke Storey:  Awesome. Well, thank you for doing that work. And we'll put all of the links you just mentioned in the show notes. And with that, my friend, I'm going to bid you farewell. Thank you for your time. And I look forward to chatting again.

[01:59:06]David Icke:  Nice to talk to you. Bye, everybody.

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